The Knock Against Knockoffs
Snazzy but thrifty dressers no longer have to wait for knockoffs of the latest fashions, The New York Times reports. Now that photographs of Fashion Week models are available immediately for analysis by software that allows overseas factories to produce simulations of designer clothing within a couple of months, the knockoffs can get to stores before the originals do. You might think this development would lead designers to rethink the practice of unveiling their latest creations in early September and delivering them to stores in February, nearly half a year later. Or to consider reducing the huge price gap between their clothing and the stuff that looks just like it. Instead they are whining about the theft of their intellectual property and citing their competitors' efficiency as yet another reason to establish a copyright in clothing design. The Times, though it seems to admire the cleverness of the clothing copycats, implicitly sides with the designers:
Interviews with executives at a number of companies that specialize in designing for the private labels of department stores and other chains reveal a highly competitive network of factories, which use the latest technology to reproduce designer looks with the impunity and speed of Robin Hood. Their copies do not violate existing law.
Their copies do not violate existing law. That's a statement that could accurately be made about every noncriminal business practice. Another way of putting it is that the designer knockoff business—unlike, say, stealing from the rich and giving to the poor (which the Times likes when it's done by the government)—is perfectly legal. The fact that it is legal, of course, does not necessarily mean that it should be, and the designers are right when they say their creations are in many ways similar to such copyright-protected works as books, music, and movies. But to me this is a reason to question the legal treatment of those works rather than a reason to give clothing designers copyright protection as well.
In the case of clothing design, the lack of legally protected monopolies does not seem to have stifled creativity. To the contrary, it has encouraged continual innovation to stay ahead of the knockoffs. And fostering innovation was, after all, the concern that motivated the Framers when they gave Congress the power to grant patents and copyrights, the aim being "to promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts." Without copyright protection, designers still have at least two advantages over their imitators:
1) They can get to the store first (assuming they're willing to shorten the traditional lag between Fashion Week and delivery to retailers).
2) Some people insist on buying the genuine article even when the knockoffs are indistinguishable, and they are willing to pay more (a lot more) for the designer label. Preserving this advantage requires trademark protection, a form of fraud prevention that need not rely on the concept of intellectual property.
Both of these advantages, in one form or another, apply to other kinds of creative work. J.K. Rowling would still sell a lot of books even if others were free to make and sell copies; fans of Justin Timberlake (I assume) want to see him in concert, not a guy who looks and sounds like him; and art collectors pay much more for originals than they do for copies (authorized or not). When these advantages are combined with copy restrictions on digital products (the advantages of which have to be weighed against their potential to irritate consumers), I'm not sure there's much of a utilitarian case left for copyright protection.
That leaves the moral case, which I've never found entirely persuasive. It seems to me that passing off someone else's work as your own, or vice versa, should be illegal because it's a form of fraud, not because it's theft of intellectual property. But there's nothing necessarily fraudulent about selling unauthorized copies. The idea of owning ideas (excuse me, the expression of ideas) raises all sorts of problems, impinging on ownership of physical property (copiers and computers, for example) and on the creation of new intellectual products (which is why copyrights have terms, the length of which is inherently arbitrary yet treated as sacrosanct by copyright holders). As someone whose work is entirely nontangible and who receives money from reprint fees and other artifacts of copyright law, I am not completely unsympathetic to the argument for intellectual property. But despite the propaganda from copyright holders likening unauthorized downloads to shoplifting, it's hard for me to view my right to stop you from running one of my columns without permission (or, to be more accurate, my syndicate's right to do so) the same way I view my right to stop you from entering my home or borrowing my car without permission.
Likewise, designers might insist that copying their patterns is like stealing their dresses, but I don't buy it. As the Times notes, neither do the women who wear knockoffs or the stores that sell them, which include major chains that also sell designer originals.
In the March 2003 issue of reason, Douglas Clement asked whether innovation requires intellectual property rights.
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If the papers don't side with the Fashionistas, the papers won't be invited to swank fashion events.
"to promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts."
That's the not reason for copyright protection, Jacob. It's the result of it.
It's a pretty interesting question, but I'd say that there is no fundamental difference from an artistic design rendered in fabric and one rendered on paper or via a recording.
Thank you Jacob. That is what I've been trying to say, only said much better. Thanks again.
Dan T.: thanks for explaining why copyright should not exist.
ed,
No, that is the hoped for result the framers stated as the reason for establishing intellectual property. In this case the framers were wrong.
I assure you that copyrights and patents are still very important to "promote the Profress of Science and useful Arts". It is also important that people who put in a lot of hard work have a means to make a profit off their work. That said, the current regime is absurd. There's no reason that anyone needs a copyright term of longer than 10 years. I certainly don't support the moral proposition that any intelectual creation you come up with should belong to you and your heirs until the end of time. I'd have no problem with a 1 year exclusive on fashion designs. The idea, after all, is to promote new creations, not lazy artist and lazy knock off artists.
That's the not reason for copyright protection, Jacob. It's the result of it.
No, that IS the reason for copyright. To promote the progress of science and the useful arts. That is the explicit reason in the constitution for copyright.
There is no natural right to "intellectual property", and the founding fathers never intended there to be a right to "intellectual property". The idea was granting a temporary monopoly on something would encourage people to publish and invent, and benifit society as a whole.
New World Dan,
Ditto.
I was going to say that designer clothing is neither a science nor a useful art, but I won't.
The real reason this is not a problem is that people don't buy designer clothes because of how they look, they buy them for the name on the label, and there are already laws against forging the name on the label. You can make a cheap copy of a Donna Karan (or whoever) design, but you can't put a DK label on it, which is what the fashionistas are really after.
It is not the government's role to promote anything, only to protect the rights of its citizens. Are you guys sure you're libertarians? Or has the definition changed again?
"J.K. Rowling would still sell a lot of books even if others were free to make and sell copies."
Really? If you could legally print exact duplicates of the HP books, artwork and all, and sell them at 75% off, Rowling would still profit? If you could make dups of the HP films and rent them to theaters at 75% off the studio's price, the studio would still profit? There are items, like designer clothes or original works of art, where the "original" commands a special price. But who would pay a markup to get a copy of HP just because Rowling got the royalty?
On one hand, I'm a supporter of intellectual proprty rights, believing that their existence promotes creativity and invention. On the other hand I could give a crap about the fashion, as opposed to the clothing, industry. To be consistent I'll lukewarmly recommend some sort of protection for new clothing designs, but I'll expect enforcement to be nearly impossible.
So, Jacob, it is o.k. if one were to spend three years writing, say, a spy thriller and self-publishing it only to see a major publishing house start printing and marketing it without paying the author a dime? But it would only be actionable, as fraud, if they took the author's name off the cover and put on Tom Clancy's instead?
I'm not sure how one would copyright fashion. Can one, for example, copyright a blue dress with a plunging neckline?
The difference between a copy and a counterfeit seems relatively easy to discern. While the concern over counterfeit products is completely legitimate, I find concern over the ownership of aesthetics of clothing very difficult to justify. As previously pointed out, designer clothing is appealing for it's label as much as it's look. Worse, extending IP protections over fashions would seem to stifle the market as the minutiae of design become a gray area, if not verboten for competitors. Could one imagine trying to claim faded denim, color schemes and such as IP?
Fashion itself is a fraud of sorts. It's hard to get worked up because a group of incestuous, self-referential recyclers is getting hoist by their own (very chic) petards
"It is also important that people who put in a lot of hard work have a means to make a profit off their work."
I could put in a lot of hard work into making paper airplanes, but that isn't going to save the airline industry. Hard work means nothing. Value is what makes profits.
"If you could legally print exact duplicates of the HP books, artwork and all, and sell them at 75% off, Rowling would still profit?"
Absolutely. I'm not accusing you of this, but some people admire authenticity.
Lamar, I don't buy it. "Exact duplicates of HP books, artwork and all" seems pretty darned authentic.
Save the 75% off, that is.
I can see how fashion designer logos can be intellectual property, so that you can't stick a Levi's label on a pair of generic jeans, but how can you claim intellectual property rights to "fashion" or "style"? When miniskirts first got big in the 60s, could you copyright the idea of selling a skirt with a high hemline? Or a jacket with a fitted waist, or a shirt collar with decorative embroidery?
I think there is a distinction to be made from duplication (or counterfeit) vs. copying a design. If you copy someone else's writing and call it your own, it's plagiarism. I think one huge area this debate attempts to tackles is handbags. Louis Vuitton and Coach are expensive and highly coveted designer labels of handbags. They have distinctive styling and patterns. You have counterfeits of them everywhere, and many would agree that this infringes on copyrights. But then you also have near-look-a-likes sold at discount stores all over the nation (for example, instead of the gold LVs, you get some other initials, but from afar, they look almost identical). The design has essentially been ripped off, and one could say that substitution effects are taking dollars away from the designers (although you could also argue that these people can't afford and wouldn't bother to buy the real thing anyway). But does this qualify as copyright infringement?
To be consistent I'll lukewarmly recommend some sort of protection for new clothing designs, but I'll expect enforcement to be nearly impossible.
Indeed. Going forward, I expect enforcement of a lot of IP laws is going to get difficult. How are you going to prevent something like this?
As a practical matter, some holders of IP rights are going to have to get over the expectation that the law is going to be able to protect those rights.
I think the fashionistas should be careful what they wish for. They may initially be the ones asserting infringement against counterfietors, but soon enough they will find themselves on the recieving end of suits themselves. That certainly is what has happened as IP rights have moved into software
Ummm....copyright IS considered one of the things lumped in under "intellectual property." Ditto for trademarks. Just so that you know.
As someone thinking of becoming an IP lawyer, the only thing I can say to the fashion designers is YES, please go ahead and do this! You will be providing tons of employment for IP lawyers until the middle of the next century! We will be able to charge you lots and lots of money, which you will have to pay out of your profits, whereas if you left everyone alone, you'd probably have much more $$$.
What's the libertarian viewpoint on taking advantage of other people's stupidity?
"Exact duplicates...seems pretty darned authentic."
I should just let the idiocy of that statement sink in.
Since designers are recyclers of past designs, when is a design similar enough to another design to be infringement? This is what happens when business-folks using an unsustainable business model seeks unnatural protections from the government. I don't understand why the fashion houses don't make their own knock-offs, sort of how Fender makes knockoffs of its own guitars.
IP covers patents, trademarks, and copyrights.
The design (style) of a garment is not and should not be afforded IP protection anymore than the design (style) of a new automobile should be protected.
This statement has nothing to do with the "rightness" of existing protections for patents, trademarks, and copyrights.
We're unequivocally for it.
The design has essentially been ripped off, and one could say that substitution effects are taking dollars away from the designers (although you could also argue that these people can't afford and wouldn't bother to buy the real thing anyway).
With apologies to grumpy realist, the quantum difference between the prices of the original and the knock-off make substitution effects negligible.
However, the fact that lots of people who can afford only the knock-off are buying it has got to raise the price and volume of the original as it becomes both more identifiable and more exclusive. Even when the overstock of the originals are dumped at the end of the season, the demand will be supported by the people who have seen and liked the copies on the street and can now have the original for only a little more.
The fashion designers simply don't realize what a good thing they have going.
It's a pretty interesting question, but I'd say that there is no fundamental difference from an artistic design rendered in fabric and one rendered on paper or via a recording.
There's a huge difference between copying a Harry Potter book word for word and slapping your own name on it, versus writing a novel about wizards and whatnot with a similar plot but in your own words and using details of your own imagination.
There's a huge difference between copying a designer dress including faking the designer initials, versus copying the feel and spirit of a designer dress with your own minor innovations and slant on fashion.
Fashion is called that because everyone furiously imitates everyone else for a while with slight variations, until some original thinker comes up with something different that sets off a new wave of copying and reworking.
There's a huge difference between copying a Harry Potter book word for word and slapping your own name on it, versus writing a novel about wizards and whatnot with a similar plot but in your own words and using details of your own imagination.
Then there's the middle ground, covered in an NPR piece: Write novels set in the Harry Potter universe out of whole cloth. Oh... this is important... Write them in Mandarin.
Hmm.. Reason's programmers can't manage things that 16 year old hydrocephalics have no problem with.
Anyway, you are wrong. I recently wrote some of the code for an app that is useless without a lot of language specific data. It will not be released in China- only one copy would be sold. Even free software is subsidized by the paid for stuff. Take away IP protections and you won't have any new software at all- the open source programmers will be too busy washing dishes, or building bridges.
"That's not a Gucci bag, that's a gooky bag"
Barney Miller was a great show.
"Take away IP protections and you won't have any new software at all- the open source programmers will be too busy washing dishes, or building bridges."
Or they'll find something productive to do with their time, like figure out a way to make money programming. Remember when cassette tapes were going to ruin the music industry? Nobody was going to make movies anymore because of the VCR? Please spare us the doom and gloom routine.
Tagore Smith: An unoriginal and unlikely proposition.
A.) Some of the people who write free software write software just because they like writing software.
B.) Not every piece of software is intended as a marketable application.
Others who dispute Rowling selling HP books if counterfeits were legally available: I, personally, sometimes forego purchasing books used, instead choosing to pay the new price, knowing that the author will then get a royalty percentage.
My preference would be to pirate the book, and pay the author directly. Presumably I am not totally alone in this desire to reward authors I like for their efforts, in the hope that they will continue.
Sandro Rettinger:
The copyright-in-overdrive folks want to paint a picture of a snotty (yet probably broke) college kid downloading every song he can think of, and claim that this picture is true of the entire populace.
Copyright has always leaked like a sieve, and business folks have always found a way to make money. Doom and gloom, just like with piano scrolls, cassette tapes VCRs, linking to images, and file sharing. Despite the mindless chatter, no industries have yet to fall...but the spread of information has made our society one of the most vibrant on earth.