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Why Do Republicans Hate America Their Candidates?

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AP, via Cincy Enquirer, reports that support for the leading GOP presidential would-bees is softer than Dick Cheney's muscle tone:

Giuliani's support is at 21 percent, compared with 27 percent in June and 35 percent in March. The former New York mayor is running virtually even with Thompson, who has become a threat without even officially entering the race. The actor and former Tennessee senator has essentially stayed steady at 19 percent. McCain, the Arizona senator who is revamping his nearly broke campaign, clocked in a bit lower at 15 percent, while Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, remained at 11 percent.

Twenty-three percent "can't or won't" say who they're backing, up from 14 percent in June.

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  1. Maybe the “can’t or won’t” numbers are so high because Ron Paul was not offered as an option in the poll.

  2. RON PAUL! RON PAUL! RON PAUL!

    PAUL in ’08

  3. To me all the leading candidates in both parties seem to believe being Pres.gives them the right to micro-manage our lives.Am I wrong?

  4. Thompson’s popularity should come across to Republican leadership as a Monte Brewster moment. It’s a large number of people telling them that they’d rather vote “none of the above”.

  5. Is it possible that the next president hasn’t been decided yet? As much as I would like to believe that Ron Paul is goung to snatch up all those undecided, I doubt they will pay him much attention as he’s left out by the news media.

  6. It’s really odd to say but I think Fred Thompson is going to be the GOP nominee.

    He may well usher in a future when all Presidential nominees are actors, with the real decision makers working behind the scenes.

    Actually, I guess Ronald Reagan ushered in that era, with Dubya following it. Too bad Dubya is not a professionally trained actor.

  7. The nom’s certainly Thompson’s if he wants it.

  8. “Why Do Republicans Hate America Their Candidates?”

    Ummm- because they all SUCK?

    ———-

    “Too bad Dubya is not a professionally trained actor.”

    Yes, Dan- that is exactly what I have been thinking, all these years.

  9. Too bad Dubya is not a professionally trained actor.

    Truly 🙂

    I hope the Democrats are similarly disenchanted with their potential nominees. The only candidate they have that may not entirely suck is Bill Richardson, and he may suck, too.

    Ron Paul, baby. Ron Paul.

  10. Oh my god–people are agreeing with Dan T.!

    I’ll go check and see if hell has frozen over.

  11. I hope “ron paul” ends up as Ralph Nader’s VP candidate. Ha,HA.

  12. I hold my vote in abeyance until the arrival on the scene of the philosophical heir of Calvin Coolidge.

  13. John

    As much as I would like to believe that Ron Paul is goung to snatch up all those undecided, I doubt they will pay him much attention as he’s left out by the news media.

    Yeah, I wish the news media would give Ron Paul equal air time. Maybe the FCC could create some type of “doctrine” to make the MSM do this? Since it’s all about giving different candidate “fair” coverage, we could call it, I dunno, maybe the “Fairness Doctrine”?

    //just messing with ya 😉

  14. “Actually, I guess Ronald Reagan ushered in that era, with Dubya following it. Too bad Dubya is not a professionally trained actor.”

    You’re forgetting the greatest actors of them all, the Clintons. Bill pretending to be wiping a tear from his eye after the Ron Brown funeral when he noticed a camera on him and Hillary’s fake black accent when speaking to blacks.

  15. One more general observation – I’ve noticed during the last few Presidential elections, the conventional wisdom is that nobody has been that enthralled with any of the candidates on either side.

    It makes me wonder if it’s possible to be likable given the 24/7 news environment that we live in.

    Regarding Ron Paul, perhaps the reason he’s gained a bit of a cult following is because the mainstream media has largely ignored him? I’d bet if they wanted to they’d have no problem making him seem like just another politican.

  16. “I hold my vote in abeyance until the arrival on the scene of the philosophical heir of Calvin Coolidge.”

    Coolidge was a great underrated President. So was Grover Cleveland.

  17. Pro Lib –
    I don’t think us Dems are disenchanted with our candidates at all. I think we’re finally energized and organized and we’re finally going to beat the evil Republicans, no matter who we have to vote for to do it! We’ll vote for whomever will make America the most like Europe, because Europe is so wonderful and Europeans are SOOOO much smarter than Americans. I have such contempt for my fellow country people because they just don’t get it like the Europeans do.

  18. You’re forgetting the greatest actors of them all, the Clintons. Bill pretending to be wiping a tear from his eye after the Ron Brown funeral when he noticed a camera on him and Hillary’s fake black accent when speaking to blacks.

    I agree – I can’t help but think that Bill’s metoric rise from nobody governor of a lousy state to President is because the true powers that be in the Democratic party recognized his charisma and willingness to play the game.

  19. He may well usher in a future when all Presidential nominees are actors, with the real decision makers working behind the scenes.

    I thought that was coming when they were talking about a reality show to pick a President a few years back: “American President Idol” or some tripe.

    As far as Paul not being on the radar, good for now. The front-runners are catching all the headwind; being exposed for the totalitarian assholes they are.

    Also, please discriminate between Fred Thompson and Tommy Thompson until the latter officially drops out. I read it as Tommy Thompson had support on par with Guiliani. I almost shit my pants, and I’m wearing my good suit today.

  20. Rattlesnake Jake
    You’re forgetting the greatest actors of them all, the Clintons. Bill pretending to be wiping a tear from his eye after the Ron Brown funeral when he noticed a camera on him and Hillary’s fake black accent when speaking to blacks.

    I don’t know if you saw Hillary’s campaign video with Bill that mimicked the Sopranos episode(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfkRjvAYuOc), but seeing it gave me immensely more confidence in the Clintons.

    Their acting was horrible–I even heard the actor from the sopranos complain to the media about how many takes that scene took since both Clintons kept messing up their lines.

    However, the fact that both Clintons are horrible actors on film makes me think that they are bad actors in the political sphere, which is a good thing from my view.

    Still, I don’t like Hilllary. I’d vote for Bill again though!

  21. Energized Democrat *snark*

    Pro Lib –
    I don’t think us Dems are disenchanted with our candidates at all. I think we’re finally energized and organized and we’re finally going to beat the evil Republicans, no matter who we have to vote for to do it! We’ll vote for whomever will make America the most like Europe, because Europe is so wonderful and Europeans are SOOOO much smarter than Americans. I have such contempt for my fellow country people because they just don’t get it like the Europeans do.

    lol @ reinmoose

  22. Still, I don’t like Hilllary. I’d vote for Bill again though!

    That’s a very interesting point. Two questions for all of you: If Bill could run again, how do you think he’d do among everybody else? And how many of us here would vote for him instead of the current crop of candidates? (leave out Ron Paul, and maybe Richardson too…)

    I have to admit that I’d vote for Bill, if I couldn’t vote for Paul or Richardson.

  23. Um, I don’t like Bill Clinton, either. Or Chelsea. Can we move to a third family, please?

  24. This is great news

    Ron Paul in 08

  25. [conspiracy]Maybe the “bad acting” by the Clintons was really a great acting job of convincing people they are bad actors so no one will think they are good actors![/conspiracy]

  26. Can we move to a third family, please?

    Why don’t we just start calling all the presidents Caesar? Then it doesn’t matter what family they are from, as they will all be part of the same oligarchy.

    Oh wait, they already are all part of the same oligarchy…

    Damn!

  27. I’m more interested in the prospect of Al Gore entering the race and knocking the socks off Hillary. I’m no fan of Gore, but I’m less of a fan of Hillary. I’m for ABC, anybody but Clinton. A new poll shows that if Gore were to enter the race, he would win the New Hampshire primary against Hillary 32 to 26.

  28. “Oh wait, they already are all part of the same oligarchy…”

    That would be the welfare/warfare oligarchy?

  29. It never ceases to amaze me. The war lovers out there (whether republican or democrat) like to lambast those who oppose the actions of the state as “Helping the enemy” “With the Terrorists,” or as said here – they supposedly hate america.

    Standing up for liberty, peace and prosperity is hating America these days – well according to the politicians and pundits.

    But, as most readers here know, the truth is quite the opposite. It’s these war mongers that are acting with complete hatred for everything this country is supposed to stand for. They’re willing to throw it all away to quench their thirst for power, profits and war….

    That’s my rant. Some further reading on this:

    “The America-Haters Strike Again” – click here

  30. Michael Boldin,

    Are you related to the singer?

  31. President Gore? When GOPers threaten to move out of the country if he’s elected, what country will they choose?

    Oh, and the obligatory President Gore lyric reference:

    “California Uber Alles”

    I am Governor Jerry Brown
    My aura smiles
    And never frowns
    Soon I will be president…

    Carter Power will soon go away
    I will be Fuhrer one day
    I will command all of you
    Your kids will meditate in school
    Your kids will meditate in school!

    [Chorus:]
    California Uber Alles
    California Uber Alles
    Uber Alles California
    Uber Alles California

    Zen fascists will control you
    100% natural
    You will jog for the master race
    And always wear the happy face

    Close your eyes, can’t happen here
    Big Bro’ on white horse is near
    The hippies won’t come back you say
    Mellow out or you will pay
    Mellow out or you will pay!

    [Chorus]

    Now it is 1984
    Knock-knock at your front door
    It’s the suede/denim secret police
    They have come for your uncool niece

    Come quietly to the camp
    You’d look nice as a drawstring lamp
    Don’t you worry, it’s only a shower
    For your clothes here’s a pretty flower.

    DIE on organic poison gas
    Serpent’s egg’s already hatched
    You will croak, you little clown
    When you mess with President Brown
    When you mess with President Brown

  32. “Standing up for liberty, peace and prosperity is hating America these days – well according to the politicians and pundits.”

    I always say that I’m the one who’s patriotic because I believe in the principles that this country was founded on.

  33. The AP going “Oh noes! Republicans don’t like Guiliani or McCain! Whateverz will they dooo?!” is just proof that they’ve been hitting their own Kool-Aid just a bit too heavily. No Republican in their right mind is supporting either of those two.

    The only thing I find surprising is that the MSM actually got around to reporting this story this early in the game. Of course, they’re still about six months late.

  34. Who are these Republicans in the their right mind of which you speak?

  35. A more important question: why won’t well-healed Libertarian Ron Paul supporters send the old kook any money? Nothing personal, Nick.

  36. Thompson’s support is soft — he’s basically a projection candidate at this point, full of all the virtues the others are missing. He’s a blank slate and people are projecting their desires in a candidate on to him.

    I sincerly suspect his numbers will plummet once he actually, you know, runs.

    The GOP base seems dissatisfied with all the major candidates.

    As for the Democratic field — Democrats seem pretty happy with the top three or four candidates.

    That, plus the ongoing war with Iraq, is a toxic combination for 2008. If Dick gets his way on Iran, I wouldn’t want to have an “R” after my name if I was up for election.

  37. SugarFree,

    Do you remember the follow-up to “California Uber Alles”?

    “We’ve Got A Bigger Problem Now”

    I am Emperor Ronald Reagan
    Born again with fascist cravings
    Still, you made me president

    You closed your eyes, can’t happen here
    Alexander Haig is near
    Vietnam won’t come back you say
    Join the army or you will pay

    Welcome to 1984
    Are you ready for the third world war?!?
    You too will meet the secret police
    They’ll draft you and they’ll jail your niece

    And on…

  38. There’s one obvious dem ticket:
    Gore/Clinton

    The old gang’s back.
    Think about the possibilities.

  39. Am I wrong in thinking that the GOP apparatus in most states is basically a religious right thing? That would explain these numbers. I can’t stand their type but it is understandable why they are not excited by most of the GOP candidates, what with Guliani’s personal life and stance on gays/abortion, McCain’s past fencing with Falwell/Robertson, Romney’s heathenism, and Thompsons mild social conservative record. Are they waiting for Newt (who ironically has a worse personal life than Guliania, but hey, when have these guys ever been rational?)? On the Dem side they seem to have the worst ever candidates enjoying universal Democratic support. Not only is it foolhardy to nominate a woman or a minority (I wish it were otherwise but that starts you with a chunk of the electorate who will not vote for you) but they have a frontrunner with crazy high disapprovals who voted for this unpopular war and a second place runner with less than a decade of experience at the federal level. I agree with Jake, like him or not Gore is a much more substantial candidate, but I seriously doubt he runs against Madame Hillary…

  40. “If Dick gets his way on Iran, I wouldn’t want to have an “R” after my name if I was up for election.”

    The problem is, the Democrats are also beating the drums for war in Iran.

  41. u all think that ron paul is different but just you wait and see he is just like all the other republicans he will give lots of $$ to major companies and they will pollute and cheat hard working americans and he hates minorities and poor children but i guess that’s ok for you cause your all conservatives and just want more $$ for yourselfs

  42. “There’s one obvious dem ticket:
    Gore/Clinton”

    Would Hillary take second spot to Gore? Maybe she would and then have him bumped off.

  43. highnumber,

    Sadly, I am old enough. Also, “Bomb Iran” to the tune of “Barbara Ann.” McCain brought 5th grade screaming back.

  44. “Bomb Iran” to the tune of “Barbara Ann.”

    My Iranian wife’s brother said he hates the Beach Boys. He thought they were actually singing “Bomb, bomb, bombard Iran”.

  45. You’re forgetting the greatest actors of them all, the Clintons. Bill pretending to be wiping a tear from his eye after the Ron Brown funeral when he noticed a camera on him and Hillary’s fake black accent when speaking to blacks.

    In Hillary’s defense, I’m an expatriot southerner, and my accent when I’m out of the southest is barely noticable. When I’m around other southerner’s, though, it comes back strongly. It’s all completely unconcious.

  46. Uh, you want the MSM to take Ron Paul seriously?

    Let’s see what happens to his electoral chances when they “expose” the fact that in 1988 he ran on a platform that supported legalization of marijuana, cocaine, and all the rest.

  47. In Hillary’s defense, I’m an expatriot southerner, and my accent when I’m out of the southest is barely noticable. When I’m around other southerner’s, though, it comes back strongly. It’s all completely unconcious.

    I agree. I’m from New Orleans and that accent comes back everytime I’m with family or childhood friends. Wine Commonsewer has described it best as Brooklyn on quaaludes.

  48. Rattlesnake Jake,

    I spent a week in the 80s flirting with a visiting Iranian pen pal of a friend. She loved “Yo! MTV Raps” and only had three fingers on her right hand. Kept promising to cook for me, but never did. She taught me quite a few dirty words, but I forgot them all.

    I’m dying of nostalgia poisoning.

  49. Hillary reverts to the black, Southern speech patterns of her youth in Illinois? Curious. They have something for everyone in the Chicago suburbs, don’t they?

  50. “In Hillary’s defense, I’m an expatriot southerner, and my accent when I’m out of the southest is barely noticable. When I’m around other southerner’s, though, it comes back strongly. It’s all completely unconcious.”

    But Hillary is from Illinois and not known for having a Southern accent even when she was in Arkansas.

  51. “Let’s see what happens to his electoral chances when they “expose” the fact that in 1988 he ran on a platform that supported legalization of marijuana, cocaine, and all the rest.”

    That will generate more support for him, especially if he’s given the chance to explain his position.

  52. “She taught me quite a few dirty words, but I forgot them all.”

    Words like cus, keer, coon? If that’s the right spelling.

  53. Former New York Congressman John LeBoutillier has a favorable article on Ron Paul at Newsmax.com. He even said Ron Paul was good baseball player during Congressional baseball games.

  54. The only one I sort of remember sounded like “koosh kesh.” “Whore” I believe.

    But it hurts too much to remember her. Oh, Rattlesnake Jake, remove your fangs from my tender heart…

  55. Dear GOP Rank and File,

    You’re a bunch of godamm traitors! You’ll vote for who we tell you to vote, or by Dubya we’ll put another Dole on the ticket!

    Sincerely,

    GOP Leadership.

  56. He even said Ron Paul was good baseball player during Congressional baseball games.

    Another reason to vote for Paul. Finally, a president who can throw a strike on his opening day pitch.

  57. Who are these Republicans in the their right mind of which you speak?

    MG was obviously speaking hypothetically.

    Well, maybe P.J. O’Rourke.

  58. I don’t know, most of the “ball” games we played when I was an intern down there were softball. Drunken softball at that.

    One time a DHS guy tried to commandeer our field on the mall.

  59. “Am I wrong in thinking that the GOP apparatus in most states is basically a religious right thing? That would explain these numbers. I can’t stand their type but it is understandable why they are not excited by most of the GOP candidates, what with Guliani’s personal life and stance on gays/abortion, McCain’s past fencing with Falwell/Robertson, Romney’s heathenism, and Thompsons mild social conservative record.”

    I’m afraid you may be right on Republican voters being far more motivated and energized by Religious Right screeds to the tune of “liberal war on religion!”, “sinful gay lifestyle threatening family values!”, “Darwinism the catalyst for Antichrist One World Government!” and so on. After all, the 50% of Americans who believe that “human life started with Adam and Even some 10.000 years ago” have to come from somewhere.

    I’m not sure, however, whether McCain has lost all hope of support from this group, seeing how he’s gone out of his way to pander to them lately.

  60. What an awkward title!

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