For Your Polling Pleasure…

RealClearPolitics is charting the latest presidential polls. The scoop? Hillary Clinton is still up about 16 points on Obama et al, and seems to be gaining momentum. Rudy Giuliani is up about 8 points on his rivals, though he hasn't recovered from a slight slump in May.

Comments

[FinFangFoom]

Man, it will fucking suck if Hillary Clinton wins the presidency. The only thing worse would be if one of the Republican front runners wins.

[joe]

I still feel like Democrats are waiting around for someone besides Hillary to emerge.

Support a mile wide and an inch deep. Everyone's second choice.

That's my impression, anyway.

[FinFangFoom]

Once the campaign really starts up, Obama might win it. I just can't see Hillary winning an election on the national level. If the war keeps going on until far in 2008, that'll be different though.

[Neil Young-Words (Between the]

Hillary Clinton vs Rudy Giuliani?

shoot me now

[Cesar]

Hillary Clinton vs Rudy Giuliani

Even Worse would be Hillary Clinton vs. Giuliani vs. Bloomger.

A three-way, all New York race.

[D.A. Ridgely]

I continue to believe Hillary can't be stopped at least so far as getting the nomination goes. Gore is probably the only serious possible challenger and he's too busy playing Bono with a better tailor.

That being so, it is a testimony to the hole the Republicans have dug for themselves that they may not be able to field a candidate capable of beating her.

[Lost_In_Translation]

While I'm still voting for Mr Paul, I'm a bit calmer today than I was yesterday on the prospect of the continuing loss of freedom in the US. Thinking back over the long term, maybe we really are just in a hiccupp period on the path to continuing liberalization. It wion't be a pleasant hiccupp, but maybe in the long term, we will be vindicated by natural tendencies of human society. In any case, I also realized I need to waste less time on Reason's Hit and Run and get back to work.

[Brandybuck]

While I'm still voting for Mr Paul, I'm a bit calmer today than I was yesterday on the prospect of the continuing loss of freedom in the US.

Ditto. I'm still supporting Ron Paul, because he's the only candidate in the bi-party apparatus that won't have to hold my nose to vote for. But he won't get the nomination.

However, I survived eight years of Clinton when every conservative said it was going to be the end of the world. And it looks like I'll survive eight years of Bush when every liberal says it will be the end of the world. So I suspect I'll be able to survive four years of Clinton/Giuliani/Bloomberg.

[Primus-John the Fisherman]

Clinton vs. Giuliani vs. Bloomburg.

Coke vs Pepsi vs RC.

and all I want is water.

the illusion of choice...

Speaking of three ways, here's a nightmare:

2008 shakes out to Clinton vs Giuliani vs Ron Paul (who narrowly misses the Republican nomination and runs as an independent).

the electoral college vote goes something like
Clinton-246
Rudy-135
Paul-157

No one breaks the 270 mark needed for a win. So the 2008 House elect gets to vote in the POTUS (from the 3 candidates) and the Senate elect picks the Vice Prez. Thanks to the GOP being bugfuck crazy these days, the Dems will own both the house and the senate elects and will dutifully appoint both of their party's candidates (Clinton and some southerner or another) to the White House.

Then the DFL, having control of both the house, the senate, and the presidency, will proceed to spend our already insolvent republic to death.

All Ron Paul backers will have to show for the exercise is an ashy mouthed "told ya so!"

[D.A. Ridgely]

No one breaks the 270 mark needed for a win. So the 2008 House elect gets to vote in the POTUS (from the 3 candidates) and the Senate elect picks the Vice Prez.

Unless Republicans recapture the Senate, in which case imagine Hillary as president and Cheney's third term as vice president. Talk about yer divided government!

[Cab]

I think the most interesting polls are the Iowa and New Hampshire ones. Romney is taking both, fairly significantly. Everyone thought Kerry was done in '04 before he took both. Romney could win the nomination.

[crimethink]

I still feel like Democrats are waiting around for someone besides Hillary to emerge.

joe, I think that's the way it is in both parties. The fact that Fred Thompson, who hasn't appeared in a single debate or really nailed himself down on any policy positions, can grab the lead in national polls by merely forming an exploratory committee...yeah, my party's fucked.

[robc]

DAR,

The senate has to pick amongst the top 2 for the Veep spot. I dont think HC or RP will be picking Cheney as running mate.

[Pro Libertate]

joe,

Agreed. I expect that she'll do surprisingly poorly in the primaries. She has to totally kick ass, what with her lead and funding, to even have a chance. She'll get slain in Florida--that's my prediction.

[Gene Berkman]

It is certainly likely that the Dems will control the White House along with Congress after the 2008 election, and will likely spend alot of money on new government programs. But the last 7 years have proved that the Republicans are certainly not going to govern responsibly either.

Since Bush took office, the federal debt has grown by $3.1 trillion and continues to grow. Military spending is more than $400 billion higher than Clinton's last budget.

We need a third party strong enough to be a visible opposition to big government.