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First Annual White Heterosexual Male Scholarship

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A while back, the College Republicans at the University of Rhode Island tried their hands at a wee bit of social satire: They inaugurated the First Annual White Heterosexual Male Scholarship[PDF of application]. "Applicants were asked, first, to certify that they were indeed white, heterosexual, American and male and then to answer two questions: 'In 100 words or less, what does being a White Heterosexual American Male mean to you? As a White Heterosexual American Male, what adversities have you had to deal with and overcome?'"

The inevitable occurs:

The student senate was not amused, and in February the Student Organizations Advisory and Review Committee demanded that the College Republicans: A) not award the $100 scholarship, B) apologize in writing for having violated the anti-discrimination section of the senate's bylaws, and C) seek permission from the senate before mounting any programs in the next 12 months. The group cheerfully agreed to A – why not? – and declined to comply with B and C.

In response the Advisory and Review Committee exercised the nuclear option and voted to derecognize the group, in spite of the fact that Robert Carothers, the university's president, had declared on April 6 that it was unconstitutional to require the College Republicans to "make public statements which are not their own." (The relevant First Amendment category is "compelled speech.")

The student senate backed down on Thursday. Stanley Fish blogs on the resolution and does some deepthink about FIRE's role in the controversy.

More on FIRE here and here. The founders of FIRE write in Reason here and here.

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  1. At least it sounds like the U. president doesn’t have his head up his ass. (He has a JD, which probably helped in this particular instance: http://www.uri.edu/president/bio.html)

  2. I would be curious to read the essays.

  3. That’s one hip university they’ve got there, where the Republicans are the ones
    with a sense of humor.

    1. So republicans are stupid, assholes, and not funny? The comments here support their point. Why are there such sweeping generalizations made about Republicans. You do realize it is very difficult to elect a Democratic president in the US right? It hasn’t happened all that often. Which tells me there is a majority of Republicans.

  4. ESSAY

    when I was a pledge at delta frakin pie frat last year, I lurnd what it wuz like bein’ a HeteroSEXual male. We played ookie cookie, and I won. It was a long, hard battle, but I overcame any obstikals to win.

    It was because of this support from the d frak pie house that I could overcome my problems.

    So please gimme the money, cuz we could have a great kegger with it.

  5. What have we learned today? Well, we’ve learned nothing new, but we’ve gotten nice reminders of two things that we already know:

    1) College Republicans are frequently obnoxious assholes who like to piss everyone off with dumb students. (Not to be confused with college students who just happen to vote Republican.)

    2) Student governments (much like other governments) don’t know how to let asshole organizations stew in their own bad PR. Instead they have to get all draconian and create a pretext for outside organizations to get involved on behalf of the assholes.

    If the Student Senate had an ounce of sense (insert joke here) they’d get one of their friends to attend a party with the leaders of the College Republicans, capture embarassing footage on camera phones (ideally involving at least partial nudity, plus intoxication with substances that may or may not be legal), and post it on the web.

  6. United Negroe college fund anyone?

    Miss Ebony Pageant?
    Miss Bronze?
    NAACP?
    B.E.T?
    Black Congressional Caucus?
    WTF?

  7. College Republicans: Striving for Persecution Since 1985.

  8. THIS JUST IN: DO NOT CROSS DR. THOREAU! HE WILL KRUSH YOU!

    This just in: the Roving Reporter apologizes for those embarrassing pictures of him that an anonymous source posted on teh intertubz

    In an other story, do not cross Dr. T. Just send him accolades. and a Mr. Goodbar. With sprinkles.

  9. Heterophobes!

  10. thoreau,

    Do you think all people who offer scholarships for people of a particular race/gender/sexual orientation are obnoxious assholes?

  11. This is no better and no worse than scholarships offered to any other ethnic group.

    That said, I’d love to write an essay about “What Being a White Woman Means To Me.” Basically, the money I save by not having to pay for my own drinks in bars is more than overshadowed by the fortune I must spend on sunblock.

    Nobody knows the trouble I’ve seen. Nobody knows my sorrow.

  12. Hmmm. Well, the only real objection that I have to this affair is how come I didn’t have access to such scholarship opportunities when I was in law school? I’m still paying off those furshlugginer loans.

  13. Do you think all people who offer scholarships for people of a particular race/gender/sexual orientation are obnoxious assholes?

    Whatever else might be said about the general concept of a race-specific scholarship, it’s clear that the intent here is to generate controversy and piss people off. So that certainly qualifies the College Republicans for the “obnoxious asshole” label.

  14. Jennifer,

    I feel your paleness.

  15. Whatever else might be said about the general concept of a race-specific scholarship, it’s clear that the intent here is to generate controversy and piss people off.

    Which is what good satire is supposed to do.

  16. It’s no worse than any of the agit-prop stunts the leftist organizations do. In fact, it’s quite well-done.

  17. No, that’s what shitty satire is supposed to do.

    Good satire is supposed to encourage thought.

  18. Which is what good satire is supposed to do.

    Except that you have to do it with a smile on your face for it to work, and you have to get the crowd to laugh with you and sympathize with your point. If you’re just kind of pissed at how unfair it all is, and it shows, then it ruins the satire. Good satire is an art form, and College Republicans consistently fail at it.

    Dave Barry could probably offer a white guy scholarship and make it work. Even P. J. O’Rourke. But not your typical College Republican.

  19. do you trust the roving reporter, jimmy?

    no?

    here have a zagnut bar. now do you trust the roving reporter?

    survey says yes!

  20. …the money I save by not having to pay for my own drinks in bars is more than overshadowed by the fortune I must spend on sunblock.

    A fortune in sunblock? In friggin’ Hartford?

  21. “Do you think all people who offer scholarships for people of a particular race/gender/sexual orientation are obnoxious assholes?”

    Do you think the Sally Struthers character in the “Starvin’ Marvin” episode of South Park really had as much right to eat the food aid as the malnourished Ethiopians?

  22. brotherben,
    The problem is that those organizations are outside the purview of the college administration/student senate rules and don’t exactly qualify here. If the college allowed a “GLADD Scholarship” to be distributed to a gay only person by the Student GLADD organization, or a Student NAACP group offering scholarships to black only students, then your comparison would have merit (I do not know whether said University has such groups nor what they can offer in ways of scholarships).

    To counter those organizations you listed, name me at least a couple non-minority, non-violent organizations that espouse a “majority view”. I am drawing a blank, except for the fictional United Honky College Fund. If any do exist, perhaps you can explain to me what the rationale is for their existence.

    Most groups whether based on racial (NAACP), gender (NOW), sexual persuasion (GLADD) or work ethos (Unions) usually band together to facilitate change in what they view is the “bigger world”. I don’t think the “bigger world” usually finds need to band together against the minorities, though I suppose I could be wrong.

  23. Whether it’s good satire or shitty, and whether they are assholes or not, this is an indefensible attempt to silence them.

  24. Bela Lugosi’s Dad,
    Bela Lugosi’s dead.

    Did you get the flowers?

  25. Except that you have to do it with a smile on your face for it to work, and you have to get the crowd to laugh with you and sympathize with your point. If you’re just kind of pissed at how unfair it all is, and it shows, then it ruins the satire. Good satire is an art form, and College Republicans consistently fail at it.

    It may or may not have been effective satire, but satire it was. And I thought it was pretty clever myself; they worded it EXACTLY the way sex or race-based scholarship essay questions tend to be.

    “What does being a white woman mean to me?” Uh, nothing. It simply is. And being of various European ethnicities means fuck-all to me, too. But if I wanted to get a scholarship I could spin all kinds of bullshit about the sorrows and travails I’ve faced.

  26. thoreau,

    What’s the big deal? So they don’t agree with all things affirmative action. That’s not exactly an insanely invalid position, whether or not their motives are pure. Besides, it’s just supposed to be one of those silly provocative things that student organizations like to do in lieu of writing and speaking and stuff. Not that they aren’t likely jerks–anyone that into being a Republican or Democrat at that age should be shaken, not stirred–but that’s hardly relevant to the college’s response to the whole matter.

    joe,

    That was South Park at it best. I loved that episode.

  27. Yeah, what Bee said.

    They’re just playing to the assholes’ hands.

    “You are cordially invited to provide us with an enormous amount of publicity, by disciplining us in a heavy-handed manner that encourages sympathy for us among the general public.

    RSVP by Tuesday.

    I WILL / WILL NOT respond in exactly the manner you hoped I would.”

    Quick, Margaret, circle “WILL” and put the card in the mail!

  28. Of course, university administrators are notoriously easy to manipulate.

  29. urkobold:

    they are bereft in deathly bloom.

    lake looks okay today. nothing special.

  30. PL-

    Arguing against affirmative action is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. The problem is that College Republicans (the organizations, not to be confused with college students who happen to vote Republican) who make these sorts of arguments tend to look like fratboys who feel that it’s really unfair that they don’t get the same special breaks as everybody else. Now, from the standpoint of logic that is an ad hominem and it shouldn’t matter. From the standpoint of PR, however, it matters a lot, and the College Republican kids don’t get it. Or they do get it and they find it unfair so they’re even more determined to rail against it.

    The whole idea of a publicity stunt is to not only be right but be persuasive as well. If it isn’t persuasive, it doesn’t matter how right the underlying point is.

  31. Bah, I had a whole bunch of useless drivel written out but I deleted it all to say:

    All Hail Urkobold, eater of the living, shitter of the dead!

  32. *makes omelet out of Bela Lugosi’s toenail clippings

    THE LAKE LOOKS BEAUTIFUL TODAY. MUCH COOLER BY LAKE. GO BACK TO 773

    (TAG MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BE LEFT OPEN!!!)

  33. Good satire is supposed to encourage thought

    That’s what left-wing satire is for. Lot’s and lots of thought. Not so much laughter.

    Good satire has to piss off at least half its audience or it’s a failure.

  34. Whatever else might be said about the general concept of a race-specific scholarship, it’s clear that the intent here is to generate controversy and piss people off.

    By forcing them to examine how they can possibly justify scholarships that are limited to a particular race, just as long as that race isn’t white.

  35. Here’s the College Republican problem in a nutshell:

    There are perfectly respectable points to be made against special privileges for members of particular groups. However, College Republicans manage to come across as being whiners who just feel like life has been so unfair to them.

    Nineteen year-olds whining about how unfair life is will never be terribly persuasive.

  36. Urkobold?,

    You were summoned in the Johnston Timeline thread. I sacrificed a fatted calf and everything.

    thoreau,

    Honestly, aren’t all kids at that age annoying? I certainly was.

  37. Honestly, aren’t all kids at that age annoying?

    Yes, but while they all have annoying traits not all of them pollute their attempts at satire with whines.

  38. Maybe the College Republicans are just like producers of “R” rated movies.

    The R rating covers everything you can do in a movie that is only slightly more than PG-13 and slightly less than X. Once your movie gets slapped with an “R” you have no incentive to stay at the PG-13 end of the spectrum; you might as well push it right up to X.

    Maybe the College Republicans have realized that if you express the tiniest doubt about affirmative action, then the reaction is “RACISTS!!!” being yelled at them across the quad. If anything you do that questions the orthodoxy garners the same set of reactions, why not just push it as far and be as offensive as you can?

    I would also apply this principle to sexual harassment, date rape, the lowering of the DUI intoxication limit, food bans, Imus, zero tolerance laws in schools and the expansion of the death penalty to crimes that are not murder.

    (This is not an endorsement of the College Republicans.)

  39. But their whining is precisely what makes them so annoying!

  40. Thoreau,
    Did one of those College Republicans give you an apple with a worm in it?

  41. “B) apologize in writing for having violated the anti-discrimination section of the senate’s bylaws”

    Oh, why the hell not bring in freaking Dr. Phil to preside over the therapy session and issue absolution? Goddamned infantile idiots.

  42. Thoreau, what was whiny about this? If anything, it sounds like these guys took the scholarship forms for some other group and just replaced “Black woman” or “Samoan transgender” with “white heterosexual male.”

  43. Maybe the College Republicans have realized that if you express the tiniest doubt about affirmative action, then the reaction is “RACISTS!!!” being yelled at them across the quad. If anything you do that questions the orthodoxy garners the same set of reactions, why not just push it as far and be as offensive as you can?

    Fair point, but:

    1) While the yells of “racist!” are often the loudest response, they aren’t necessarily the only response. By being a bunch of assholes they alienate anybody who might respond differently (albeit at a lower decibel level).

    2) Of course, the univerity’s response only further encourages them to push the envelope.

    PL-

    Yes, but some college students know how to do satire without whining. (They just whine at other times, when they aren’t doing satire.)

  44. If I become rich later in life, I’ll fund a scholarship. The entrance essay will be on the topic: “What being a Pict who looks like a Jew has meant to me”

  45. The big deal is that because of colonialism and slavery white people are not allowed to have a racial identity or take any pride in their race. All other races of course are allowed. That was kind of the guilty payback that the white European race made with itself for its sins. The problem is that time has elapsed and no one living today has any direct tie to colonialism or slavery. Further, the other races have just as much to answer for as white Europeans do. As time goes on, the bargin is looking more and more rediculous. The problem is that if we continue to suppress any and all expressions of “white pride” for lack of a better term and do nothing about really militant expressions of other racial pride, you leave field entirely open for extremists. I think that the sollution is to get rid of all racial pride period and get people to judge themselves and each other as individuals. Right after they shut the college Republicans down they need to move on to La Raza and every other racially exclusive group.

  46. Jennifer-

    Anything that sounds like “I want special treatment too!” sounds whiny.

  47. If Jennifer’s right, and the language was lifted from some other minority preference scholarship, then couldn’t the “whininess” come from that source, too? I’m just not seeing this as any worse than similarly silly stunts. Maybe I’m too Nordic and innately oppressive πŸ™

  48. One thing I know for sure is that you absolutely can not throw a great kegger with only $100. I therefore conclude that Straight White Frat Boy is an imposter.

    Knock, knock-knock, knock-knock

  49. thoreau,

    I agree with the whole CR=asshole thing. Basically they are just the campus equivilent of board trolls. If they just ignored them, they would go away.

    Of course, if you shut down legitimate debate, all that is left is illegitimate debate. Let’s just call it a vicious cycle…

  50. Anything that sounds like “I want special treatment too!” sounds whiny.

    But I didn’t take this as “I want special treatment too”; it sounds more like “look how ludicrous that special treatment for others really is.”

  51. The big deal is that because of colonialism and slavery white people are not allowed to have a racial identity or take any pride in their race.

    Now that is whining.

  52. Many of the comments on this thread suggest that the commenter believes his or her own reaction to the stunt is (or should be) the typical reaction. My guess is that many found the CR stunt obnoxious, some found it funny and a few might even have done a bit of thinking in reaction. Now, for the drinking game rules closer…

    As libertarians (alternate: as readers of a website that calls itself Reason), surely we don’t believe in a one-size-fits-all reaction, do we?

  53. Do College Republicans ever read any American History? Look at the list of current officers in the URI organization. Judging from their last names, they’re all of Irish, French and Italian descent. “Ethnic” Catholics! As if any of them would have been eligible for a scholarship specifically restricted to whites (as many were) back in the good old days!

  54. While I grudgingly acknowledge the cleverness of this stunt, I’d like them to name ONE scholarship targeted at gays. Bet they can’t. They probably just included sexual orientation in their laundry list on reflex.

  55. Unless an item is approved by the freedom loving thoreau it is invalid, unfunny and racist.

    Don’t you people know anything?

  56. One thing I know for sure is that you absolutely can not throw a great kegger with only $100.

    Depends on how many people you invite. Um, and the size ‘o the keg. My ex and I used to get a pony keg a couple of weekends a month and just park it on the patio. It was kinda fun. Next best thing to building your own taproom!

  57. “The whole idea of a publicity stunt is to not only be right but be persuasive as well. If it isn’t persuasive, it doesn’t matter how right the underlying point is.”

    That’s crazy. That would mean that freedom riders sitting at segregated lunch counters were doing the wrong thing, because the crackers who clubbed them weren’t persuaded.

    Their publicity stunt is persuasive to people who are predisposed to agree with it – just like every other publicity stunt.

    This whole “It’s not good satire because I personally didn’t laugh” thing that you are Joe are doing is pretty lame. You won’t laugh if you are the butt of the satire.

  58. Rhywun,

    “GLAAD scholarships”

    First Google hit.

    Unless you want to discount that it is also for transgendered students as well.

  59. Do you think the Sally Struthers character in the “Starvin’ Marvin” episode of South Park really had as much right to eat the food aid as the malnourished Ethiopians?

    But would I have the right to donate my own food specifically to Sally Struthers for her personal consumption?

  60. I hate college assholes as much as the next guy. However, I found this pretty damn funny. Then again, I’m a white heterosexual male.

  61. I hate college assholes as much as the next guy. However, I found this pretty damn funny. Then again, I’m a white heterosexual male.

    Because of all of your earth raping oppression, you need to buy some carbon credits, toilet paper credits and I will toss in some slavery credits too.

    I take all major credit cards and cash.

  62. “GLAAD scholarships”

    Ouch – I just got bitch-slapped πŸ™‚

    Funny how as it becomes less and less of a “trial” to be gay, the number of scholarships has mushroomed. The “proof of gay” portion of the application process must be interesting.

  63. Rhywun,

    Sorry, I do have the unfair advantage of working at an university… πŸ™‚

  64. The “proof of gay” portion of the application process must be interesting.

    I see a remake of Soul Man coming soon to a theater near you!

    (With the caveman sex thread, it must Rae Dawn Chong Day on Hit&Run.)

  65. Rhywun, there are a number of gay specific scholarships at UC Berkeley too.

  66. Well, I Googled the non-WHAM (interesting acronym) portions of the essay instructions, and found nothing other than references to the WHAM scholarship.

    So this leads me to two conclusions:

    1) They didn’t simply do a search-and-replace on another scholarship.
    2) The URI College Republicans should henceforth be referred to as “members of WHAM.”

    Jennifer:

    To be funny and not whiney, all they had to do was establish that everyone who qualified had to pay $100 extra to compensate for being white heterosexual American males.

    Or ask for a recipe for Irish children. Either one works.

  67. Kind of reminds me of a stunt that the college republicans at my college attempted. There were two events as I remember, both set up to make a point about illegal immigration:

    1. They set up a section of chain link fence for students to crawl under, after which they had to put on shirts saying “illegal immigrant,” then grabbing welfare checks and food stamps along a course to the finish line. The winner of each heat would receive $20

    2. Their was a white guy dressed in a white t-shirt that said “illegal migrant” on the front who would run around campus during class hours and whoever “caught” him first got a free meal at a Mexican restaurant courtesy of the college republicans. I believe they had to give up on this one after no one even attempted to catch the guy.

    The president of the university wrote an angry notice to everyone on campus, telling us about the virtues of diversity…etc, etc. The Mexican restaurant owner went on tv saying the college republicans weren’t welcome anymore.

    Around the same time as this a gay member of the student senate claimed an irate redneck beat him unconscious with a baseball bat late at night for “being a fag.” There was a criminal investigation, the student senate and college democrats issued releases condemning the “homophobia of conservative students” which “caused all this,” the college president issued a shocked release praising diversity, and the gay senator finally admitted that he was lying and his injuries (stitches on his head, concussion) were self inflicted by cutting himself or (in the case of the concussion) faked by lying about symptoms to the doctor.

    The senator resigned in shame. The liberals wrote an article condemning the senator and the college republicans again saying that if something like this were to occur, than it would be the CR’s fault. The senate didn’t apologize to the the conservative students, there was no new presidential message condemning lying to the police.

    Their both just retarded.

  68. The big deal is that because of colonialism and slavery white people are not allowed to have a racial identity or take any pride in their race. All other races of course are allowed. That was kind of the guilty payback that the white European race made with itself for its sins.

    This is bullshit. Sorry. But if you said you had Irish pride, or you said you had Italian pride, or that you were proud to be French, or proud to be Polish, or whatever, no-one would have a problem with it. But when you say “white pride”, what you really saying “Not Black Pride”.

    African-Americans have “Black Pride”, only because the specific local African identities were stripped from them during slavery.

  69. The number of comments here, and the national attention they’ve received, indicates that they have been effective at gaining attention and making people think.

    Not sure why Thoreau woke up on the wrong side of the bed. I suggest the all around remedy: apply alcohol.

  70. “This is bullshit. Sorry. But if you said you had Irish pride, or you said you had Italian pride, or that you were proud to be French, or proud to be Polish, or whatever, no-one would have a problem with it. But when you say “white pride”, what you really saying “Not Black Pride”.

    People do have a problem with it. Set up a scholarship program for “Italian Americans Only” and see how long it lasts. Yeah you can get drunk and make a parody of yourself on Columbus or St. Patrick’s Day but you can’t do things that really matter like have an Irish college fund or special set asides like Blacks and Hispanics can.

    My answer is that if you want to be a Pole or an African or an Irishmen, there are entire countries full of them. Move to one of them. Otherwise shut up and be glad you are an American.

  71. African-Americans have “Black Pride”, only because the specific local African identities were stripped from them during slavery.

    Unless they are Egyptian or Moroccan, other North Africans. Apparently they are not “black enough” to be African, or something? Never made much sense to me.

  72. I fucked up my their/there/ they’re in the last post

    From now on

    their in 3rd paragraph =>there
    their in last sentence =>They’re

  73. People do have a problem with it. Set up a scholarship program for “Italian Americans Only” and see how long it lasts.

    I thought the Italian-American Society had one of those.

  74. OK, maybe I am a little cranky today (I’m sick), but College Republicans have a pattern of doing stunts that mostly just piss people off. So that might explain my reaction.

    And John, you wrote:

    Set up a scholarship program for “Italian Americans Only” and see how long it lasts.

    You mean like this?

    https://www.niaf.org/scholarships/index.asp

    I’m not here to defend the exclusive nature of the scholarship, but the situation is not as you perceive it. It’s a bit more complicated, with a distinction between “White pride” and “White sub-group pride”. The later is, rightly or wrongly, more acceptable in society than you seem to think.

  75. Fur den Elch* …

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0sazxkF1_Y

    *Ich kann gut Deutsch nicht sprechen!

  76. Caucasian-Americans have “White Pride”, only because the specific local European identities were stripped from them during hundreds of year celebrating cultural diversity through interracial unions.”

  77. joe,

    The Sally Struthers on “South Park” analogy is just sad. The character Struthers engaged in fraud, which this College Republican stunt did not (well, maybe it did, seeing as how nobody is getting the 100 bucks), and the fictional Struthers was taking away resources meant for the starving Ethiopians. Were the College Republicans taking 100 dollars away from black, homosexual, or female scholarship seekers?

  78. Did I miss video of these CRs going on earnestly how they’re so oppressed by affirmative action scholarships? I hate to say it, Thoreau, but you’re throwing a characterization on them that doesn’t seem to be warranted. Sure, I dealt with annoying CRs – and annoying CDs – in schoo, but it seems a bit much to base all your arguments in discussion on simple dislike for a group and assuming the worst behavior.

  79. an den Abtr?nnigen –

    leiwand! toll! cool! danke! A sheynem dank! tack! takk! tak! merci! gracias! grazie! Toda raba!

    (does our exchange ruin HRC’s thesis?)

  80. Personally, I think all race based scholarships are silly and I say this as a minority that would actively benefit from them (I’ve recently returned to university after some time in the corporate and military worlds).

    Anyway, there ARE Italian American only scholarhips. Heck, here are just a couple I found off my first hit:

    https://www.niaf.org/scholarships/index.asp

    – The Emanuele and Emilia Inglese Memorial Scholarship – $2,500 scholarship for an Italian American undergraduate student who traces his/her ancestry from the Lombardy region and is the first generation of his/her family to attend college …

    – The Eleanor and Anthony DeFrancis Scholarship Fund – Scholarships for Italian American undergraduate …

    Here is one for Irish Americans: http://www.irishsummerfest.org/html/scholar.html

    First hit and what not.

    Here ones for Polish american:

    http://www.polishcultureacpc.org/

    Now, I personally am not too fond of race based scholarships for various reasons, though the idea that is no ethnic scholarship opportunities for ‘white’ types isn’t really true.

    Though I guess the Libertarian question would be more be focused more on things like affirmative action (another bad program for multiple reasons) and governmental giveaways. I mean if some private group wants to give money to only one race or whatever. That is kind of their choice. I mean, personally, if say David Duke wants to make the David Duke Aryan Purity Scholarship, as long as he isn’t doing it with tax dollars,…well his choice.

  81. John,

    I have never received even the slightest degree of hostility for any expression of pride in my heritage (Irish and Italian).

    The reason “white pride” isn’t treated the same as “black pride” is because “white pride” is a political concept made up for the explicit purpose of denigrating non-white people, not a genuine expression of someone’s cultural identity.

    People really are black, or Irish, or Jewish, in terms of the subcultures that grow up in and the cultural history they are influenced by. Nobody is white in this sense – they’re Irish, or Irish-American, or Dutch, or something.

  82. Apparently there are Italian American scholarships. If those are so wonderful then what is the big deal with the College Republicans? As far as it meaning “not black”, what the hell does “Italian American” mean if “not black”? The idea is that there is something sinister about the term “white” versus Pole or Italian or Frenchman. Why? If people can claim to be black they ought to be able to claim to be white. The answer lies in the history of race relations and the justifiable griviences blacks have against whites. As those grievences age and get less and less justified, the reasons for objecting to white pride but embracing black pride get more and more obscure. At some point, unless we want to let white people have white pride, we probably need to kill the idea of black pride.

  83. mitch, lunchstealer,

    Do you think maybe there was a point in there thay you missed? Naaahhhhhh…

    Hint: we weren’t supposed to dislike Sally Struthers’ eating the food because of the intentions of the donors, but because…

    Come on, I know you can do this.

  84. joe,

    I’m just glad that the kids got their watch back.

  85. “The reason “white pride” isn’t treated the same as “black pride” is because “white pride” is a political concept made up for the explicit purpose of denigrating non-white people, not a genuine expression of someone’s cultural identity.”

    I said that above Joe. Slavery colonialism and such make “White Pride” verbotten. Some people have just gotten around that by claiming “Italian Pride” “Spanish Pride” or whatever, ignoring the fact that the Italians or Spanish bear just as much blood over colonialism and slavery as any other white nations.

  86. joe,

    SHUT YOU FACE, YOU GODDAM WOP-MICK!
    GO BACK TO SLURPING YOUR PASTA SOAKED IN WHISKEY.
    WHILE YOU’RE AT IT, PICK A TARGET TO BLOW UP. I RECOMMEND THE TRAINS, YOU FASCIST, BECAUSE YOU KNOW THEY’LL BE ON TIME.

    FEKKIN’ GANGSTER.

  87. As a Danish-German-Italian-French-English-Swiss-American, I raise my fist in support of Danish-German-Italian-French-English-Swiss pride! The revolution will be televised on late night cable!

  88. *stunned silence. backs slowly away. turns and runs off into woods

  89. I’m not Dutch or Jewish or Irish or black. I’m just a heterosexual white male American. Everyone else gets a nice piece of victim-hood, why can’t I? After all, it’s a growth business?

    Its societies fault?

  90. “The answer lies in the history of race relations and the justifiable griviences blacks have against whites.”

    No, John, the answer lies in the actual historical and personal experiences of people living in this country. Including Italian-ness in your individual identity “my parents are Italian, my grandpa came over from the old country, we have antipasto at all of our holidays, and being Italian is something that’s been real to me my entire life.”

    Making whiteness part of your individual identity means “I ain’t no nigger.” Maybe in some alternate universe, there actually is an apolitical experience of growing up white that has nothing to do with asserting power over people from different backgrounds, just acknowledging the cultural experience of belonging to a group that has meaning to you. In this universe, in this country, there isn’t.

  91. THIS IS A COMEDY GOLDMINE!

    Although “whiteness” is no guarantee for success, to pretend that it hampers one’s life if just comedy gold. Higher skin cancer rate anxiety? Inability to flavorfully “get down” syndrome? Unaided Dunk Wistfulness anxiety?

    Judging people by factors they have no control over such as race/ethnicity is never just or wise and it usually leads to stupid rules at best, and flat-out injustice otherwise.

    A college friend of mine who just happened to be the daughter of a millionaire businessman got through college free (I think she actually came ahead as she had an allowance) on the count of being from “Africa”. The more accurate description would have been Jewish Millionaire Princess from Casa Blanca, Morocco.

    I don’t blame her at all, she was faced with a retarded system and she used the retarded ness to her advantage.

    But you have to keep one thing in mind, having a large uneducated and disgruntle poor is very very bad for capitalism. Rich and educated people are far better clientele than the other alternative.

    I’m not saying people should get a free ride. A C- student should never been put ahead of an A student whether he’s a Navajo or a Welshman. However, the fact that George W. Bush’s Grammar and Annunciation was good enough for Yale tells me that right now academic or intellectual merit can’t be that high up on the totem pole for getting into universities….

  92. No, non, nein, ne, etc.

    Kolik jazyku umis, tolikrat jsi clovekem. (Bez carky atd. protoze neumim jak delat v HTML.)

    Mluvim spatne cesky take!

  93. None should question the might of the Urkobold. That was powerful trollin’ indeed.

    I’m Scot-German, which means that I will eat anything and invade France on a moment’s notice. Of course, considering that my Scottish ancestors arrived here well before the founding of this great nation and that my German ancestors came in the early 1800s, I’m about as American as it gets. At least from the European-descended oppressor point of view, that is.

  94. blahblahblah,

    I assure you, my identity as an Irish-American here in Kennedyland has nothing whatsoever to do with victimhood. My Lord, you people love that word! It’s like some sort of talisman against thought.

    John,

    “I said that above Joe. Slavery colonialism and such make “White Pride” verbotten.” No, you didn’t say that above. I’m making a different point. There isn’t, and never was, some “white identity” that people used to feel and celebrate, that has been made verbotten. It never existed. Irish and Spanish pride actually existed – the experience of growing up Irish or Spanish, and feeling Irish and Spanish, is real. It is not the same thing with “whiteness.” White, as an identity that people related to, never ever existed EXCEPT as a political concept.

  95. HUZZAH FOR PRO LIBERTATE.

    HE KNOWS HIS PLACE.

    HIS REWARD IS GREENLAND.
    EXCLUDING MINERAL RIGHTS.

  96. Urkobod,

    Aye, laddy, ye be sleepin’ with the fishes tonight!

    *hic*

  97. “Maybe the College Republicans have realized that if you express the tiniest doubt about affirmative action, then the reaction is “RACISTS!!!” being yelled at them across the quad. If anything you do that questions the orthodoxy garners the same set of reactions, why not just push it as far and be as offensive as you can?”

    that’s part of it. they haven’t mastered the art of ignoring insults-fu (the college kid political version of the gita, as it were) or more likely, they don’t want to. yeah, it’s obnoxious that people are very quick to just toss out “fuck you racist” (and then call it “free speech” like those tards up at columbia) but through bypassing that obnoxiousness you can actually win something other than animus. (like getting laid and/or actually invited to parties; or heaven forbid, convincing people that your viewpoint has at least some merit.)

    again, personal sample, but i’ve never met a college republican member who wasn’t a complete fuckface; a gang of timmies in need of a wedgie. same goes for college commies. i met plenty of folk who were republicans or even communists while in college – and played dominoes with both – and they tended to be regular folk with the occasional odd viewpoint.

    much like the rest of us.

  98. Set up a scholarship program for “Italian Americans Only” and see how long it lasts.

    Or this: http://www.irishamericanhome.com/au_scholarshipinfo.html

  99. Urkobold wins the thread.

  100. THIS CONVERSATION IS STALE. Urkobold WILL END IT NOW.

    COLLEGE REPUBLICANS = STUPID, NOT WRONG

    SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS = STUPID AND WRONG

    PUNISHMENT:
    COLLEGE REPUBLICANS WILL EAT THE SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS

  101. i’m on board with joe about the “white pride” thing, but want to note that i had some interesting conversations with some of my Caribbean classmates in a statistics course (qualitative) i took last year. one woman in particular couldn’t get that different kinds of white people might actually have serious beef with each other (i.e. a story about lace curtain irish and shanty irish families in america having all sorts of issues) and was reduced to yelling “but you’re all the same!”

    don’t get me wrong, as i laughed my ass off at the time, but it was also very helpful in understanding how various groups view other groups. (similar, perhaps, to the idea that all asians are interchangeable or all speak a common language, etc. not even bigotry so much as being utterly mystified by an alien culture and doing the best with weak logical reasoning.)

    the whole weird homophobia thing is another issue entirely. all sortsa wtf up in there about stealing boyfriends and shit. phew.

  102. Apostate – awesome –

    Czech/Slovakian?

    ProGLib – love the description: “I’m Scot-German, which means that I will eat anything and invade France on a moment’s notice.”

  103. I bow before the wisdom of the Urkobold.

  104. Oh, boy, Greenland! I’ll rule with the Iron Fist of Liberty. I wonder if I could get an Inuit Disney built up there? I plan to throw off completely the yoke of the Danish oppressors and implement an economic policy involving shrimp, ice, and tourism.

    Man, the Urkobold is the greatest. What is the creation story in Urkoboldism, anyway?

  105. THERE IS NO Urkoboldism.
    Urkobold IS TO BE FEARED, NOT WORSHIPED.

  106. “There isn’t, and never was, some “white identity” that people used to feel and celebrate, that has been made verbotten.”

    Ever hear of the “White Man’s Burden Joe”? Ever read any of the justifications for Slavery in the 18th and 19th Centuries? Ever read the defenses of colonialism? Nobody said that it was the “Spanish” burden to civilize the indians. They did so because they were Christians and white. I don’t write the history books Joe, I just read them. To say there was never an identity called “white” is just to deny about three hundred years of history from 1600 to about 1960.

  107. nej. Gr?nland belong to Vikings.

    You may, however, open up a bar there.

  108. Um, okay. So it’s safe to say that there’s more cowering than praying, for instance? Is there anything about bridges and tolls?

  109. VM,

    Defy the power of the Urkobold at your own risk. He gave me Greenland, and I’m not giving it back. Death to the Danes! And Canada!

    Actually, I do have some Danish blood. Maybe it should be death to some Danes?

  110. I hate it when joe-Daddy and John-Daddy fight. It makes my tummy all icky.

  111. “The following are privately contributed loan and scholarship funds. For federal programs and general student aid information, see the Enrollment Services section of the URI Catalog.”
    http://www.uri.edu/catalog/cataloghtml/loansscholarshipawards.html
    Each line is a separate scholarship:

    -preference to female residents
    -scholarship in men’s basketball or men’s track
    -a scholarship awarded annually to an African-American student
    -with preference to Armenian students
    -endowment for scholarships to minority students.
    -awarded annually to woman
    -with preference to African-American or Hispanic students
    -students of Italo-American descent
    -awarded annually to a woman student
    -preferably African-American,
    -awarded annually to a minority student
    -Awarded to female student-athletes
    -Annual grant awarded to … a Native American.
    -awarded annually to a worthy male student
    -equally between men’s crew and men’s tennis
    -awarded annually to a woman
    -worthy and needy female student.
    -awarded annually to American-born undergraduate
    -awarded annually to women athletes
    -awarded annually to one or two undergraduate women
    -students in the women’s studies
    -awarded annually to women students
    -majors or minors in women’s studies.
    -awarded annually to a female student
    -awarded annually to women students
    -to minority students
    -Preference will be given to students of Italian heritage.
    -scholarship in women’s studies
    -female premedical student
    -awarded annually to a female student
    -awarded annually to an African-American student
    -awarded annually to one male and one female minority student
    -awarded annually to “women in transition”
    -to a female student
    -awarded annually to an African-American
    -Preference to a first-generation American
    -awarded annually to a female student
    -minorities, and/or women will receive preferential consideration.
    -awarded annually to Rhode Island female students
    -Preference given to a woman
    -to a female pharmacy student

  112. White, as an identity that people related to, never ever existed EXCEPT as a political concept.

    Unlike black? Actually, joe has a decent point historically. However, the motive force behind the CR stunt is not racism or, at least, not your father’s racism. Yeah, CRs tend to be obnoxious jerks (and for equal time, so do CDs and campus politicos of all stripes), but they’re not thinly disguised Klansmen, or at least the overwhelming majority of them aren’t and attacking the institutionalization of political concepts of race or so-called benign racial or ethnic discrimination (state sponsored or otherwise) or the mind-set that (continues to) produce them isn’t itself a racist objective.

  113. Mr. F. Le Mur,

    “Worthy male?” What, pray tell, makes one worthy? That’s the only one that I could qualify for.

  114. ProGLib –

    surely as ?berLord of Gr?nland, you qualify.

    And, if the rumors are true, you run around (with face painted blue) in a kilt that goes below the knee.

    Now why would you need that?

  115. What, pray tell, makes one worthy?

    Perhaps this: “preference to children of former employees of the American Screw Company.”

  116. D.A.R.,

    For once we agree.

  117. The Urkobold is believed to be the illegitimate son(?) of the disgraced former aide to Chancellor Palpatine, Prooter “Gator” Libby, and military commander Grand Moose Tarkin. He(?) has an estranged twin who roams the galaxy upsetting the balance that he(?) restores. This twin is known as THUNDERCHICKEN.

  118. once again, i’m tempted to filter everyone in the thread except high-#, VM, and all their pseudonyms.

  119. VM,

    Don’t refer to my fiefdom by its former oppressor’s name! It is Kalaallit Nunaat until I impose a new name–like Pro Libertatia or something like that.

    As for the blue and white paint and kilt (not to mention the Wallacian “pro libertate” slogan), well, let us just say that Kalaallit Nunaat’s economic growth plans may include the liberation and annexation of, um, Scotland.

    “Prooter ‘Gator’ Libby?”

  120. The difference between the College Democrats and College Republicans:

    Most liberal activism on college campuses is done by single-issue groups. The College Democrats are largely invisible, in my experience, with their main activities being to support candidates for office and try to get internships. The liberals with signs standing in front of the Student Union to raise money and/or “raise awareness” are generally not with the College Democrats. And while there will be dumb left-wing stunts done on campus, they won’t (usually) be done by the College Democrats.

    The College Republicans are also interested in internships and campaigns, of course. But they take on the additional task of engaging in stunts to get attention for some issue. And a lot of these stunts seem to relate to affirmative action and/or immigration.

    To the extent that a lot of their stunts pertain to issues with ethnic/racial and/or gender (at least for affirmative action) components, I’d say that they are no different from their counterparts on the politically correct far left: They’re obsessed with ethnicity. They’re just the right-wing mirror image of a Womyn’s Studies major.

    So I’ll take a College Democrat (not to be confused with a college student who votes for Democrats) over a College Republican (not to be confused with a college student who votes Democrat) any day of the week, because the odds are that the College Democrat is more about resume-building (which can admittedly be annoying in its own way) than axe-grinding, while the College Republican probably has an axe to grind.

    It’s unfortunate, really. Dumb right-wing college students with grievances have nowhere to go but the College Republicans, while dumb left-wing college students with grievances have a wide range of outlets. The result is that the Republican Party is represented on campus by a bunch of jackasses (ironically enough, given the mascots), while the Democratic Party is (usually) represented by some more sane, mainstream students.

    If Republicans want to improve their image among college students, they should secretly fund some kooky right-wing organizations to compete with the College Republicans and drain away the zanier elements, leaving behind an organization with fewer image problems.

  121. ProGLib:

    I still think you should merely open a bar there.

    Bela Paternal Unit is right! About Howard Street being right!

    Dr Urkoboldologist – thank you for the history! You certainly a learned soul!

  122. Here’s my theory: the “College Republicans” in this case were actually a covert Democratic group who performed this stunt to reaffirm the stereotype of young Republicans as soulless, racist brats.

    Successfully, I might add.

  123. joe’s gonna blow up a Target? I thought they were supposed to be pissed off at WalMart.

    Seriously, though, joe, I didn’t miss the point you were making, with the Sally Struthers thing. I get that a targeted scholarship for whites is less likely to help someone who needs it than an equal scholarship for an underrepresented minority.

    I was just trying to point out that it’s not an entirely apt analogy, though, because the food aid was aimed at needy members of a specific ethnicity, and being diverted to a rich, overfed celebrity. I don’t think that the CRs are pissed off at the means-testing so much as the ethnicity testing.

    Suppose you had a food aid program that went to any Ethiopian that chose to apply for it, with no effort to target those in the camps. It would still be more likely to do good than a food aid program that gave to Americans. But it would be a boneheaded program, nonetheless.

    I was mostly just snarking lightly. The CR thing is a stupid prank, but the real scorn should be reserved for the morons that felt their transgression was Unacceptable And Must Not Be Tolerated.

  124. D.A.R.,

    For once we agree.

    Oh hell, now we’re going to have to figure out which one of us is wrong!

  125. lunchstealer,

    I get that a targeted scholarship for whites is less likely to help someone who needs it than an equal scholarship for an underrepresented minority.

    I’d say that it is equally likely to help as long as we don’t class all whites as blue bloods.

    ____________________________

    Anyway the CR prank was clever and hit home. Which is source of much of the teeth gnashing.

  126. And, if the rumors are true, you run around (with face painted blue) in a kilt that goes below the knee.

    Um, Ms. Pro L told me it was because of his huge…tract of land. Apparently called Greenland. Or something. I confess I haven’t been following the thread as closely as I should…:-)

  127. Grotius,

    Which raises an interesting point. I would be much more impressed and influenced by protests if the protesters would do that scraping their heads thing that some tribal societies do where all the blood drips out of their heads. Nothing says, “I’m friggin’ serious here, folks” than doing that.

  128. Jennifer-

    Anything that sounds like “I want special treatment too!” sounds whiny.

    Isn’t it possible that, rather than looking for special treatment for their own group, the CRs might have been challenging the whole concept of special treatment for any group?

  129. It certainly exposed the double standards and internal contradictions in political correctness and diversity in modern academia.

    As for the equal likelihood of classifying whites as bluebloods, I’d say that the fact that median and mean incomes are lower among any traditional minority than white heterosexual males would mean that you’ve got at least a greater statistical likelihood of getting a needy student among minorities than among WhiteHetMen.

    And yeah, if the college government hadn’t been such that it overreacted to their prank, then it would have been stupid. The college’s reaction shows that it was, if not a worthy tweaking, at least a successful tweaking of liberal sensibilities.

  130. Hmm, HoI seems to have gone back to his old screenname.

  131. Whatever, no whining is necessary. I take pride in my Western civilization background, without denying or apologizing for past wrongs perpetrated. Honestly, try it. You’ll be called a Eurocentrist, a racist, closet white supremacist by some people. So what? Those people are idiots, and you don’t want to associate with those people anyway. They’re just mad because their goal was to prevent you from feeling good about yourself to elevate themselves. When they fail they necessarily must feel bad.

    The Chartres Cathedral is more impressive to me than blue facepaint and a feathered headdress, and I’ll take Aristotle over edicts from a tiki head any day. No whines, here, I just feel pretty proud.

    Honestly, the CR joke was lame, and pretty trite. Probably not a “whine.” I don’t believe they actually feel deprived of a scholarship as much as they are annoyed by the double standard on what constitutes “discrimination” and “preference.” Put the shoe on the other foot and watch the righteous indignation, that college fell right in their trap and continues to deny there was even was a trap. Predictable and lame.

  132. Having complained about the College Republicans, I’ll re-iterate what I said before: The school should have ignored them.

    Then again, if schools didn’t over-react to these stunts, how would the College Republicans get any attention?

    Hmm…

  133. lunchstealer,

    There are lots of white kids from impoverished backgrounds. In other words, if one is going to have it make scholarships tied to someone’s heritage a function of economic background.

  134. Grotius: percentage and absolute number are related concepts, but different.

  135. I am some random mix of European ethnicities (French/Swedish, as best I can determine) and my wife is 3rd generation Nigerian immigrant. Our daughter, 13, has darker skin than most people who call themselves African Americans, but she bristles when anybody refers to her as “black”, and I don’t blame her. But, does that mean that we aren’t going to take advantage of every scholarship offered to black students when the time comes around? Call me a hypocrite, but we’d be fools not to.

    I agree with George Carlin. The proper solution is to just keep f..king until we’re all gray.

  136. Erik – I like the way you think.

    Depending on who’s asking, and why, I am either a “Native American” or I am of Western European heritage (Scot/Irish on one side and Norwegian/not French on the other); whichever answer is more likely to skew the survey.

    CB

  137. Avadeem hayeenu…

  138. The “proof of gay” portion of the application process must be interesting.

    Um, would having a subscription to Reason suffice?

  139. Here, thoreau, fixed that for you:

    The College Democrats are largely invisible ubiquitous, in my experience,

  140. R C-

    I’m talking about the formal party organization, hence the upper-case C in College Democrats. Maybe I’ve just observed the wrong schools, but it seems like most politically-oriented events on campus are not run by the College Democrats. Oh, there are plenty of liberal students who vote for Democrats, but not every voter is involved with the party-recognized organization.

    OTOH, the College Republicans generally do sponsor some very visible and frequently controversial events. Maybe it’s just that they know how to work the shock angle and get attention. Problem is, they get mostly negative attention.

  141. When the College Republican (heck, when ANYONE) yowls as much about “legacy admits” as they do about AA, then I’ll believe they’re actually putting their money when their mouth is.

    Until that, they’re just coming off as a bunch of whiny brats. Afro-American kids on campus maybe don’t worry that much about “not being admitted while Black”, but I will bet you each and every one of them has a story of some relative within the last two generations (parent, grandparent) that does so.

    And when it was only this year that a certain public high school in Georgia stopped having “white only” and “black only” proms–well, we’ve still got a long way to work the toxic results out of our minds.

  142. The problem I have with the characterization here is that everyone, even Thoreau, seems to be casting the CRs as bitching and moaning about not getting the benefits of affirmative action. However, in this case, and every similar case I’ve heard about, they seem to be mocking affirmative action.

    I guess I’m missing where I’m supposed to believe they really think they need a $100 scholarship for white guys.

  143. Why do I keep arriving late to the good threads?

    This wasn’t terribly clever and it wasn’t terribly funny, but seems they made a point that pissed off some section of the PC crowd. College Republicans, in my experience, are better laughed at than with.

    I didn’t get too far in the comments, but joe, your Sally Struthers comparison was absurd (if memorably vivid). Do you embrace a “minorities as perpetual victims here in White Amerikkka” school of thought?

  144. Eric-

    I have misspoken (mistyped?). I don’t think they want their own affirmative action, but they seem to feel significantly disadvantaged by the existence of affirmative action for others, hence this issue is so high on their grievance list. College Republicans love to bitch about how oppressive the college environment is, which is why I observed that they are basically a right-hand mirror image of the Womyn’s Studies and Ethnic Studies majors. Obsessing about affirmative action is just a symptom of the “Help! Help! I’m being oppressed!” thing that College Republicans organizations tend to pull.

  145. Whatever else might be said about the general concept of a race-specific scholarship, it’s clear that the intent here is to generate controversy and piss people off.

    Thoreau,

    Spot on. So now that we all agree how stupid this looks, how does it look when a group does this in earnest?

  146. I mean if some private group wants to give money to only one race or whatever. That is kind of their choice.

    Agreed. In my house we have the Shinghal Family Scholarship Program. The recipients have to be females of my womb and have a better than decent G.P.A. No formal essay will be required but the recipient must demonstrate that being a Shinghal family member is important to her. She can do this by being a respectful and responsible young woman. Scholarship eligibilty will be reviewed every semester.

    We will have no “what adversities have you overcome” qualification so if the hopeful starts spouting off about the “difficulties” of being my child, she will get a lesson on how to pay for college on her own.

    1. Yes correct but they are saying they need to have a private scholarship because their are no government scholarships except for other races and women. Thats the point. Why should whites be excluded solely based on the fact of the color of their skin?

  147. For all those posting comments calling the CR who did this stunt “assholes” or worse, let’s look at what they did:

    They printed up a few applications briefly satirizing racist or sexist scholarship applications, and offered a $100 prize for completing the essay.

    They managed to get their opponents so lathered up that their opponents inadertently portrayed themselves as anti-free-speech authoritarians; then made their opponents essentially admit they were wrong; and got their opponents to “force” them to retract the scholarship; and got a heck of a lot of free press for their viewpoint for almost no money invested.

    So, does your dictionary have this listing: “asshole, n., one who effectively, wittily, and cheaply publicizes their point of view while getting their opponents to look like, well, assholes”

  148. Agreed. In my house we have the Shinghal Family Scholarship Program. The recipients have to be females of my womb and have a better than decent G.P.A. No formal essay will be required but the recipient must demonstrate that being a Shinghal family member is important to her. She can do this by being a respectful and responsible young woman. Scholarship eligibilty will be reviewed every semester.

    We will have no “what adversities have you overcome” qualification so if the hopeful starts spouting off about the “difficulties” of being my child, she will get a lesson on how to pay for college on her own.

    I thought the Lefties called that “the lottery of life” and it is so unfair that you are using that money on your children, rather than the government getting it and distributing it fairly?

    Of course, I support your method not theirs.

  149. The problem I have with the characterization here is that everyone, even Thoreau, seems to be casting the CRs as bitching and moaning about not getting the benefits of affirmative action. However, in this case, and every similar case I’ve heard about, they seem to be mocking affirmative action.

    What did I write that indicates that? I happen to agree with you.

  150. And when it was only this year that a certain public high school in Georgia stopped having “white only” and “black only” proms–well, we’ve still got a long way to work the toxic results out of our minds.

    I believe they ended the practice that was demanded in recent times by the black students. It was not a government imposed segregation, it was a self-imposed student segregation that was ended.

    1. Thats Georgia anyway- this is the north.

  151. “the Student Organizations Advisory and Review Committee demanded that the College Republicans: A) not award the $100 scholarship, B) apologize in writing for having violated the anti-discrimination section of the senate’s bylaws, and C) seek permission from the senate before mounting any programs in the next 12 months.”

    Fuck off, assholes. Apologize for being such goddamned whining morons.

  152. the whole weird homophobia thing

    It’s a debate concerning whether or not they’re taking, uh, jobs that heterosexuals won’t.

  153. White, as an identity that people related to, never ever existed EXCEPT as a political concept.

    …held as well by people of color too, right?

  154. -equally between men’s crew and men’s tennis

    Looks to me like they’ve got whitey covered.

  155. Thoreau,

    Perhaps if there were as many conservative special groups on the typical college campus as there are liberal, single-issue or identity-politics groups your comparison would be, IMHO, more significant than it is. The fact remains, as a quick look at the laundry list of university funded student groups readily reveals, that the CR’s tend to be just about the only game in town for right-wing advocacy at most schools.

  156. The fact remains, as a quick look at the laundry list of university funded student groups readily reveals, that the CR’s tend to be just about the only game in town for right-wing advocacy at most schools.

    Yep, which is why the Campus Democrats tend to avoid stunts (liberal students who want to antagonize other people have plenty of other groups to choose from) while the College Republicans tend to revel in stunts (conservative students who want to antagonize other people have no other choice).

    And, once again, as far as I’m concerned there’s no excuse for what the student government did. They should ignore the College Republicans.

    JH:

    So, does your dictionary have this listing: “asshole, n., one who effectively, wittily, and cheaply publicizes their point of view while getting their opponents to look like, well, assholes”

    Here’s the thing: They aren’t interested in debate, they’re interested in provoking a response. And once they provoke that response they get to claim that they’ve been victimized by an oppressive liberal campus. On the surface, this may look like the sort of thing that is potentially thought-provoking, depending on how it’s handled. But in practice, College Republicans organizations (not to be confused with individual students who voted Republican) almost never handle these things well.

    In the past several years there have been numerous events like this, including “affirmative action bake sales”, on a variety of college campuses, and usually they provoke a negative response. Now, I’m not here to excuse anybody who gives the negative response. I’m just here to suggest that when chapters of a national organization keep doing the same thing and getting the same negative response, maybe, just maybe, the agenda here isn’t about starting an insightful dialogue. Maybe, just maybe, it’s about provoking a response and then talking about how victimized they were.

    A similar dynamic played out several years ago with David Horowitz and his reparations talk. Yes, I’m against reparations. Yes, I think the responses on campuses were wrong. But I also think that he knew exactly which buttons to push, he knew he could get speaking fees once he’d pushed those buttons (various foundations helped College Republican chapters pay for him to visit campuses), and when all was said and done he even wrote a book (which you can read, for a fee).

    There’s a dynamic among conservative student activists: Push the right buttons, then cry out “Help! Help! I’m being oppressed!” If something interesting and thought-provoking came out of it, I’d applaud their “civil disobedience.” (OK, maybe not quite the right word when you’re going up against campus authorities rather than legal authorities, but you get the picture.) But it isn’t about that. It’s about creating excuses to whine about victimhood.

    At least the Original Recipe Thoreau wanted to make points about war and government, and wrote a popular and insightful essay about his experience. The same cannot be said for the College Republicans.

  157. College Republicans are frequently obnoxious assholes who like to piss everyone off with dumb students.

    It’s like this: When the people you hate make a joke that is in the category of “Why did I not think of that”, then they are a$$holes. If on the other hand, the joke was made by people you like, then it would be satire that makes you think, as Joe said.

    I smell a double standard here . . .

  158. Qva? Cracker’s Boy:

    Depending on who’s asking, and why, I am either a “Native American” or I am of Western European heritage (Scot/Irish on one side and Norwegian/not French on the other); whichever answer is more likely to skew the survey.

    For my part, I keep hoping that I can use my Saami (Laplander) heritage to my advantage some day. Never mind that I don’t look like a Saami (although some of my close relatives do and there was at least one minor genetic disorder in my family that can be traced to a Saami phenotype). But no one ever had scholarships for Saamis, so I gave up. I have thought of listing myself as “Other” for census purposes, but no one would ever believe it for half an instant since I have blond hair, a red beard, and skin almost as lily white as Urkobold’s teeth as they crunch through my skull on a religion thread…

  159. “The fact remains, as a quick look at the laundry list of university funded student groups readily reveals, that the CR’s tend to be just about the only game in town for right-wing advocacy at most schools.”

    Maybe it is different at other Universities, but in my experience, explicitly partisan groups like the CRs or CDs NEVER receive university funds because of their partisan nature. The African Student Union, MECHA, GALA, etc. do because they are “student interest” groups. Since no equivalent right-wing student interest groups exist, university funds effectively only go to support left-wing causes.

    I was an asshole College Republican at one time, and I’ll agree that CRs do have a propensity for jackass stunts. I agree with Thoureau’s assessment that this is probably because they are the only right-of-center group of any consequence on campus and thus draw all the crazies who have nowhere else to go. Although, if the school has an active YAF chapter, they tend to go too far even for the CRs. But any stunts we pulled in my days were nothing compared to the left-wing groups that did things such as blocking traffic and taking over buildings to the point that the riot squad had to be called in. All this while wearing “whiteface” to show their disapproval for the abolishment of affirmative action and the resulting “whitewashing” of the campus.

    I have to say though, the portrayal of CRs as a bunch of ascot-wearing, blue-bloods or partying frat boys seems more like a bad 80s movie to me and bears no resemblance to my experience. Maybe it’s because I went to a large public school in California. Our group was mostly middle-class suburbanites looking for a little resume padding and we were about as much Asian as we were White. I didn’t know any active members who were in a frat. Frat boys care more about getting laid and drunk then politics. Hardcore CRs are more likely to be political geeks that no frat would want.

    We probably had 300 or so actual members but a group of 5-10 true believers really ran things. I think this is true at many campuses and probably accounts for some of the extremism as well.

  160. A one-time deal, $100 scholarship? That’s all? Cheap bastards!

  161. Although, if the school has an active YAF chapter, they tend to go too far even for the CRs.

    When I was in grad school, the CR’s would bring in speakers sponsored by YAF. Usually firebrand speakers, like Ann Coulter, David Horowitz, and Oliver North. The goal was to see if they could provoke a response.

    Which is not to justify the response, but if you’re going to piss people off at least piss them off with something thought-provoking. Speeches by Ann Coulter don’t count. Given how prone the far left is to protesting, getting them to show up and protest your event is hardly an accomplishment.

  162. Anything that sounds like “I want special treatment too!” sounds whiny.

    “Isn’t it possible that, rather than looking for special treatment for their own group, the CRs might have been challenging the whole concept of special treatment for any group?”

    I say: Special treatment for everyone!

  163. Thoreau,

    Are you thinking of the Young America’s Foundation or the Young Americans for Freedom. The former is a group that sponsors conservative speakers, the latter is the conservative activist organization. People often get them confused.

    We had both, Young America’s brought Ollie North to campus. Young Americans through meat at vegetarians and put up flyers with pictures of a NOW march with the caption “Mad Cow disease strikes campus”

  164. I have to say though, the portrayal of CRs as a bunch of ascot-wearing, blue-bloods or partying frat boys seems more like a bad 80s movie to me and bears no resemblance to my experience.

    Hey, Chad — look what just blew in from the wrong side of the tracks!

  165. * embarrassed beyond endurance, runs out of party *

  166. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

  167. Young Americans through meat at…

    That’s the wrong way to spell that kind of threw, college boy.

  168. “That’s the wrong way to spell that kind of threw, college boy.”

    I tolled u I went to to publik schuul.

  169. I tolled u I went to to publik schuul.

    So did I, but I paid attention while I was there. πŸ™‚

  170. like Ann Coulter, David Horowitz, and Oliver North. The goal was to see if they could provoke a response.

    *gasp* Provoke a response? Say it ain’t so. Shyeah, welcome to college political shenanigans ever since, oh, I dunno, the sixties?

    Yawn.

  171. Aren’t many here expecting a bit much of college students? Isn’t being sophomoric part of the job-description? If they were all as wise as their critics, why would they need to be students?

    I’d cut them some slack for failing to parse the nuances of satire, of effective-strategy-in-the-long-run, of exhaustive acquaintance with the elements of their own motives, the palette of available rhetorical flavors… They’re kids. They’re supposed to experiment with lead balloons, bumble, harvest unanticipated consequences, maybe learn from them. And the school paid to instruct them should tolerate that (in fact in this case should really reform in shame, but that would expecting too much).

    The main point about the story (seems to me) is that, tacking against the prevailing winds, they recognize and choose to oppose an injustice. That seems to place them a very healthy notch above the bien-pensant administrative authorities who with egregious hypocrisy take them to task.

    Kudos, sez I, for challenging wrongdoing, however clumsily or without the depth and sophistication of a classic satirist. They’re trying. They’re young. This course is not for credit. Soon enough they’ll be in institutions that suppress dissent with threat of loss and possibly disgrace. Let ’em stretch their wings before life clips them.

    Jeez, guys, lighten up.

    /rant, thank you

  172. I agree M. Being passionate about anything at a young age tends to manifest itself in a jerk-off sort of way.

    Most college kids are way into something to the point of being obnoxious to everyone outside of it be it frat or sorority, the pre-law society, an ethnic organization, foreign exchange program, niche art or music interest, etc. But you can’t learn moderation until you have some idea what the narrow-sighted extreme is like. The only real distinction with the CRs is that they choose something that is looked down upon not only by experienced grown-ups, but also by the majority of their fellow students. If you are a virgin and you want to stay that way, join the College Republicans. CR women often do this on purpose, CR men are just poor misguided bastards.

    Still, thank god I was a College Republican when I was 19. It saved me from being a Real Republican by the time I graduated.

  173. Geesh, I am on a worship Jennifer binge lately.

    Jennifer is 100% correct here. I see nothing whiny here from the college republicans, although I do agree that any 19 year old who self identifies as a republican or democrat should be “shaken, not stirred”. This is simply a satire of the blatant racism that runs through US college staff thinking.

    These guys are not asking for special treatment, they are lampooning the existing system of racist “special treatment”, and quite effectively judging by Thoreau’s reaction.

  174. We can assume that the college republicans were being jerks or give them the benefit of the doubt (that’s all ad hominem), it doesn’t change the fact that they highlighted a major double standard in the PC world.

  175. “Ever hear of the “White Man’s Burden Joe”? Ever read any of the justifications for Slavery in the 18th and 19th Centuries? Ever read the defenses of colonialism?”

    Yes, John, and as I’ve pointed out three times already EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE WAS GINNED UP TO JUSTIFY A POLITICAL AGENDA.

    “White Man’s Burden” = keeping foreign peoples in colonial bondage

    Slavery = political system

    Colonialism = political system

    What do want, an interpretive dance? Charades? ASL? It’s a rather simple point, John – those “white identities” were made up as justifications for political agendas. They were not genuine expressions of people’s social and cultural backgrounds.

    Didn’t you notice, as you were typing that comment, that every single example you produced was an explanation for why a political system that put whites on top should be maintained and expanded?

  176. D.A. Ridgely asks, “Unlike black?”

    That’s a very interesting question. Obviously, “black” started out as a category Europeans created to justify their political domination. Once upon a time, it was a phony replacement for the real cultural categories that African people actually understood and related to.

    But at a certain point, with the slave trade and plantation system destroying those old categories and cultural experiences for Africans brought to America, “black” became an actual, self-defined cultural category.

  177. lunchstealer,

    The point I was trying to raise with the Sally Struthers episode was that her whining “But I’m hungry!” in the face of the starving Ethiopians is similar to the way the white, heterosexual Christian males who make up most CR chapters whine about be “oppressed” by affirmative action.

    No, there is nothing remotely comparable between the reduced level of privilige we white Christian heterosexual college-attending males experience, and the historical and ongoing racism and disparate opportunities the justify affirmative action.

  178. wait john just used the white man’s burden as an example of ethnic identity?

    curse you, comedy-eating filter!

  179. Filters suck. You miss the best stuff.

  180. OK, so maybe the real problem here is that as somebody who went to grad school I instinctively sneer at the things that dumb undergrads do when they want attention.

    Trying to civilize the dumb kids is part of the Teaching Assistant’s Burden.

  181. “But I was going to Tashi station to pick up some power converters

  182. Filters are the online rose colored glasses.

  183. as somebody who went to grad school I instinctively sneer

    Still?
    How stoooooooooooooooooooooooopid!

    πŸ˜‰

  184. joe wrote: “…justify affirmative action.”

    wrong + wrong = right

  185. That’s exactly what the pacifists say, MOS.

  186. WTF?

  187. Just frustrated, looking for finances for son in aerospace: white, heterosexual, homeschooled, 8 kids, divorced, remarried, DAV 30%, dad federal employee AND NO $$$$–zero scholarships, why???

    Because we are white, sad very very sad. $60,000 for Asian-americans…between 2-4 pages for other ethnic groups…. white, heterosexual males=0, zero, zip, goose-eggs, nothing…. Oh, yeah, he watches FOX NEWS and really enjoys Glenn Beck… might be a republican for sure an independent, conservative. Been in public HS for four years but this pesky home environment… must be submitted to the “new, Obama youth group” which is to “become as strong as the US MILITARY”, right?

    College forget it, lynch him as a hater.

    Just think, in the near future, we can all accept the Lindsay/liebermann diode of USA citizenship, and then work for the global government for 10 years to have those pesky college loans forgiven.

    Okay, put me on thew watch list!!!

    Sorry, you all got in trouble for your little mischief but sometimes even satire can greatly alieviate the pressure.

    sure it has been what 3-years …but maybe…

  188. This was done at Boston University as well I believe. There is nothing wrong with this. The comment about their motives or them being assholes is racist! The only reason people would make such a comment is cause they are white and or republican. Both seem to be wrong in our society. Insert black, asian, hispanic and democratic into the name of the scholarship and nobody would have any problem with this. There are actually scholarships in some traditionally black schools exclusively for white students because less than 10% of the students are white- that is discrimination. Personal as a white male I know I havent gotten jobs because their was a quota for minorities and my wife has gotten jobs because she is an asian female. I have been accused of being racist simply because I am white and according to this black couple the education system is racist and since I was raised in that system and white I am by default racist. Scholarships should be based on merit alone.

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