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The fact that Cho Seung Hui was not a white suburbanite or an angry Muslim has mercifully cut down on the psychobabble and generalizations that usually follow these tragedies (not counting the rumor-mongering by the odious Debbie Schlussel). Since no one can blame filthy Hollywood movies for the massacre, Steve Sailer picks up the baton and bashes Korean movies:

South Korean movies and music (e.g., hip hop by returning Korean American rappers with street cred in Asia because they grew up on the mean streets of San Marino or wherever) are super cool now in Japan. The trendier Korean movies are, I hear, awfully violent. I made it through about ten minutes before fleeing of the popular South Korean film "Oldboy," which makes Quentin Tarantino's movies look like Erich Rohmer's. It's part of a series with "Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance," which I managed to avoid completely. (Not all South Korean films are quite so carnage-filled.) I have no idea if the shooter was a fan of pop culture developments in the country he left when he was about ten, but it's a possibility.

At the WashTimes, Eric Pfeiffer runs down the top four massacres of all time and notes that none were committed by those rotten, Grindhouse-watching*, Grand Theft Auto-playing American citizens.

—South Korea, 1982. Woo Bum-Kon killed 57 and then himself, using grenades and a high powered rifle
– Australia, 1996, Port Arthur massacre. Martin Bryant, using two semi-automatic weapons, a CAR-15 and an L1A1 SLR, killed 35
– United States, 2007. Virginia Tech student Cho Seung-hui, a South Korean, killed at least 33, including himself
– Japan 1938, Tsuyama massacre. Mutsuo Toi, using an old Japanese rifle and swords, killed 29 and then himself.

None of this is meant to minimize the massacre or the evil of Cho Seung Hui. Thankfully, the culture marms who'd be doing that right now have been caught flat-footed. (Caveat: I'm waiting for Dr. Phil's researchers to reveal what video games Mutsuo Toi used to play.)

*well, not really

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  1. At the WashTimes, Eric Pfeiffer runs down the top four massacres of all time and notes that none were committed by those rotten, Grindhouse-watching*, Grand Theft Auto-playing American citizens.

    Kind of a stupid point – for one thing, Cho had lived in America most of his life so it’s hard to distinguish what difference it makes whether he was a citizen or legal permanent resident.

    Plus, the fact that he only details the “top four” pretty much means we can assume #5 is an American as well. Never mind that comparing body counts seems irrelevant when talking about occurances of mass murder.

    In other words, Pfeiffer is fooling nobody if he’s claiming that the U.S. does not have a pretty serious gun violence problem.

  2. “The fact that Cho Seung Hui was not a white suburbanite or an angry Muslim has mercifully cut down on the psychobabble and generalizations that usually follow these tragedies”

    Considering how many articles I’ve seen yapping for more gun control, I’d have to disagree.

  3. Not fooling anyone who has preconceived notions that one exists, that is.

  4. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of innocent schoolchildren killed by their gun-toting classmates.

  5. that japanese guy with a sword and an old rifle killed 29?

    did I mention he had a sword?

  6. Are you calling the dead students “schoolchildren,” Bruce?

    That’s rather bizarre and extremely condescending.

  7. I like the Schussel’s post blaming gun laws for the murders appears five and half hours before her post predicting that Rosie O’Donnell is going to exploit the situation for political purposes. Bad Rosie! How DARE you?

    I also like the way she puts the Swastika next to a Crescent above the caption “Two Symbols, Same Deal.”

    And how she calls the black marathon runner a “house slave.”

    What can I say, I’ve got a crush.

  8. oh, here’s some food for the guy montags and other morlocks:

    “A Taiwanese-American reader adds:

    “On Virginia Tech, I don’t think the media has really examined why the gunman majored in English and his working-class parents let him pursue a major that has very little job prospects and therefore prospects for good relationships with women. Most students of his social circle are urged to find a good major for a good job such as accounting, medicine, law, pharmacy, engineering etc. I recently had a conversation with an older Chinese gentlemen and he said, in his days in Taiwan, if a young man majored in in the humanities, it was impossible for him to find a wife.”

    he did it because he was an english major! english majors never get jobs! he might have even read some camus and listened to the cure.

    I’M ALIVE
    I’M DEAD
    I’M THE KOREAN
    KILLING A STUDENT

  9. I predict a rash of emglish majors attacking engineering campuses in the near future. The revolution is now!!!

    *I can’t stay properly respectful, I ask for H&R’s forgiveness*

  10. The fact that Cho Seung Hui was not a white suburbanite or an angry Muslim has mercifully cut down on the psychobabble and generalizations that usually follow these tragedies

    You have to be shitting me. The airwaves are now filled with all sorts of stereotyping of Asians and engineering students.

  11. If a few million people watch a violent movie, and one later commits murder, why do people assume that the movie is the “cause”? What are we denying when it’s easier for people to accept all the external causes(not matter how tangential or absurd)than than the idea that Cho was simply deranged?

    All the “Why?” and “Who’s at fault?” questions are just avoiding the real issue. Sometimes people are insane or evil, and we can never be totally safe from them.

  12. Russ 2000,

    Stereotyping engineering students? What did we do?

  13. I’m just happy to live in a country where I can find links to blogs I’ve never heard of, don’t care about and will never visit again.

  14. – Japan 1938, Tsuyama massacre. Mutsuo Toi, using an old Japanese rifle and swords, killed 29 and then himself.

    I’m assuming these 29 people all approached him in classic one-at-a-time formation. I blame Toshiro Mifume for glorifying sword culture.

  15. Given the difference in how English and Engineering majors spend their springtime afternoons, I would have expected things to go the other way.

    “I’ve HAD IT with you hackey-sack playing slackers! I’m trying to finish a lab report, go play Pink Floyd somewhere else!”

  16. “In other words, Pfeiffer is fooling nobody if he’s claiming that the U.S. does not have a pretty serious gun violence problem.”

    I completely agree.

    In a nation where less than one-half of 1% of all the firearms in private hands are ever used to commit a crime, we must be sure to disarm everyone. You know, just to be sure.

  17. joe,

    A true insane engineering student could have wiped out the entire english department with a rube-goldberg device.

  18. Permission to troll?

    thank you

    Cho had the words “Ismail Ax” scrawled on his arm in red ink. His writings rage against rich kids and religion.
    My gut is that he viewed himself as doing this to take down the idols of christianity and sacrifice others to God for their religious hypocrisy. This being in line with Ibrahim’s destruction in the temple with his ax prior to founding Islam. The sacrifice being similar ti Ibrahim’s call from God in a dream to kill his son, Ismail, as an act of obedience. Wealthy christian kids can be real tough on a odd mental case like Cho.
    Dont see this as justification for his actions, there is none. I am curious as to his motivations.

  19. I still blame Holden Caulfield. Way worse then Tommy Vercetti.

  20. All the “Why?” and “Who’s at fault?” questions are just avoiding the real issue. Sometimes people are insane or evil, and we can never be totally safe from them.

    I’d say that simply assuming that somebody is “insane or evil” because you don’t understand the reasons behind their actions is avoiding the real issue.

  21. “Oldboy” is the new “Basketball Diaries”.

  22. Me love censorship long time!

  23. If it weren’t for those slimy publishers of those Penny Dreadfuls, this would have never happened.

    If anyone needs me, I’ll be in my room, reading my copy of Seduction of the Innocent.

  24. I’d say that simply assuming that somebody is “insane or evil” because you don’t understand the reasons behind their actions is avoiding the real issue.

    I’m sure if the victims and their friends and families only understood the angst of their assailant, they’d be okay with what he did. Not his fault, after all, because we’re all automatons.

    The real issue is that some whackjob murdered a bunch of people. Life is tough, but how we deal with it is our choice. Gunning down dozens of totally innocent people is evil, and I don’t give a crap about why–except to the extent that we can use that knowledge to recognize such evil, loony bastards in the future. He would’ve had my sympathy and my wishes that he could be treated before he hurt others; now he just has my undying contempt.

  25. I’m not sure how accurate that list is…it left out the Bath, MI tragedy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster)

  26. Gunning down dozens of totally innocent people is evil, and I don’t give a crap about why–except to the extent that we can use that knowledge to recognize such evil, loony bastards in the future.

    The “why” is the interesting part. What causes somebody to do something like this?

    Terms like “evil”, “loony”, etc are meaningless and somewhat circular – he must be evil because he did something only evil people do.

    Of course, when we send our armies somewhere to kill people, we’re a little more philisophical about it.

  27. jesus fucking christ this steve sailor guy is a fucking stupid ass motherfucker.

  28. Killing for natural resources at least makes sense; loser english majors killing useful engineering majors is just crazy!

  29. I was an English major, and let me tell you, that is a VERY useful degree.

    It gives you exactly the skills you need to talk your way into grad school.

  30. The Reverend Franklin Graham just said on foxnews that “this young man was obviously possessed by an evil spirit.”
    and there you have it.

  31. I was going to mention that some folks have been trying to link Cho to Islam, but brotherben just provided a demonstration.

  32. I think we could avoid such tragedies in the future by expanding liberties instead of curtailing them.

    Instead of more restrictions on private ownership of weapons, maybe deciminalizing the sex industry and taxing the workers is the answer.

    I am betting this tragedy could have been avoided if the gunman had gotten his rocks off occasionally in a clean and safe environment.

    This lead to another thought, what is the correlation between availability of sexual release and mass murders by nation?

  33. If you read the comments on Sailor’s site, there is no question about the audience he is playing to, even if he refuses to truck in their terminology. It is time for all decent people to shun this fucking racist asshole.

  34. I’m not sure how accurate that list is…it left out the Bath, MI tragedy

    And James B. | April 18, 2007, 11:53am |

    If you include that you’d have to include Oklahoma City.

    I think he’s considering massacres done with personal weapons rather than those done by explosives and/or arson.

  35. Didn’t Cho come to the US in 1992, which would be when he was about 8? He’s had plenty of time to get all Tarantinoed. I still call bullshit on the ‘I blame society’*, but it’s not like he hadn’t lived in the US long enough to absorb some of the culture.

    *Cue ‘Repo Man’ quote here.

  36. Tip-Ho Go. Is that the correct answer?

  37. Lunch – nah – he’s just a suburban middle class punk…

    (who got sushi and didn’t pay)

  38. Hello, Tip-Ho Go, you’re a stupid head.

    Hom-Il, is that you?

    D’oh! (hangs up phone)

  39. More people die in gun deaths in the U.S. every year than in France, Italy, Germany, and Canada combined.

  40. Not that there may not be some qualitative differences in such comparisons, but. . . .

    Canada – 33 million
    Germany – 82 million
    France – 61 million
    Italy – 58 million
    Total – 234 million

    United States – 300 million

  41. I’ve seen all three of the “Vengeance” movies. I’ve watched “Shiri” more times than I can remember. I have a copy of “The Isle” on DVD that I have yet to watch. The government trained me to be a killer and I have in my closet what news agencies would call an “arsenal.” I was an English major before I switched to business…

    …and I still haven’t killed anyone. WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME!?

  42. he did it because he was an english major!

    Hey, I said it first yesterday.

    I was an English major, . . .

    That explains so much 😉

  43. Korean films? They assume he’s seen Korean films because he was born in Korea. They assume he came to the US only recently. In reality he has been living in the United States since 1992. Since he is 23 that means he was 8 years old when he left South Korea. Reports are that his family was quite poor in South Korea so it is even debatable how many films he went to see in those early years of his life. I doubt many infants go to such films. And he left before the age when most kids start to enjoy such films. In reality the person who made the accusation has probably seen more Korean films than the shooter had.

  44. The violence in our country is a result of the hip-hop culture being emulated by a buncha a no-dancing young white kids who are bored because they dont have enough faith to participate in church activities because the courts removed prayer from the schools. Then the talentless whiteys spend there time making the evil satanic rock music like led zeppelin and culture club and air supply and then they make the violent satanic movies like blazing saddles and porkys and urban cowboy and then the kids get to thinkin that violence is the answer instead of JESUS and then a evil spirit gets em in its cuntrol and then its just a matter of time before they just go bat shit crazy and start smokin the marijuana and cuttin people up and puttin em in a blender and stuff.

  45. I suppose that, since I’m pretty well addicted to the Bridget-Jonesy Korean soap opera My Lovely Sam Soon, you should all just stay away from me.

  46. More timely stuff on the shitbag that is Steve Sailer:

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2007/0705.konetzki.html

  47. Henry –

    and under our noses, too!

    hier

  48. Heck, what about them Hiroshima and Nagasaki massacres? America really is #1 (and #2). And think, they’re massacres that keep on giving (more and more dead, that is.)

  49. Um, yeah. We’re not even in the top 100 killer nations with those attacks, discounting altogether the fact that we were at war against a direct aggressor.

  50. They really can’t keep on giving – sooner or later, every single person who was in those cities when the bombs went off will die of old age, and the Japanese government will stop counting them as victims of the bombing…

  51. Porkys was made by Canadians.

  52. I think, Pro Lib, that as single-instance events perpetrated by a sinle person or small group, they’re number 1 and 2. Yes, extended wars have often killed much more. I’m talking about single-point events.

    Of course, good old mother nature takes the cake. Let’s not let the fatal conceit get the better of us.

  53. C’mon, Dave, quote me in context. Immediately before that I wrote:

    “In general, I don’t really like pontificating off unique and/or extreme events. (For example, Koreans have extremely low murder rates, so this mass murder isn’t at all representative of a general pattern for them. Cho may well have doubled the Korean murder rate in America for the year, or even decade.) The sample size for these type of events is too small to determine a previously unobserved trend.

    “Nonetheless, let me toss out a bit of wholly unwarranted speculation about the influence of recent South Korean pop culture.”

    And after that I wrote:

    “Or then again, he may have just been plumb crazy, so speculating won’t get us anywhere. We shall see…”

  54. Well, I suppose we are the greatest killers by atomic bomb. Kind of a narrow category, though. Hopefully, there will be no additional nominees.

  55. And Hiroshima’s a really nice town. Not all old and cluttered some other Japanese cities.

  56. Steve,

    Why did you even bother to post something that you consider “wholly unwarranted speculation”?

  57. At the WashTimes, Eric Pfeiffer runs down the top four massacres of all time

    I think he’s considering massacres done with personal weapons rather than those done by explosives and/or arson.

    Also he’s limiting it to individuals. Otherwise there’s Troy, Constantinople, Jerusalem (several times), Cambodia, et al. Obviously Pfeiffer’s not a history major.

  58. C’mon, Dave, quote me in context. Immediately before that I wrote:

    “In general, I don’t really like pontificating off unique and/or extreme events. (For example, Koreans have extremely low murder rates, so this mass murder isn’t at all representative of a general pattern for them. Cho may well have doubled the Korean murder rate in America for the year, or even decade.) The sample size for these type of events is too small to determine a previously unobserved trend.

    “Nonetheless, let me toss out a bit of wholly unwarranted speculation about the influence of recent South Korean pop culture.”

    And after that I wrote:

    “Or then again, he may have just been plumb crazy, so speculating won’t get us anywhere. We shall see…”

    I don’t think you personally are a racist, Mr. Sailer. However, looking at some of the vile comments made to your recent blog, your views tend to inadvertedly attract the attention of racists, and it’s your apparent indifference to it that troubles many people, including myself. I know humorless leftists will continue to call you a racist anyway just for rejecting multiculturalism and supporting immigration reform, but that’s still no excuse for not condemning real racists and neo-Nazi creeps.

    I also find it ridiculous to blame the VT shootings on movies in general—South Korean, American or otherwise.

  59. Still, I’m tempted to invite that neo-Nazi nutjob (JUPITER) who keeps replying to your blog posts here to H&R just for everyone else’s amusement (and mine).

  60. Well, it looks like I may have been right in my shot-in-the-dark guess about the influence of the movie “Oldboy” on the killer:

    This evening, the New York Times’ blog The Lede writes:

    Updates on Virginia Tech
    By Mike Nizza
    An Image’s Ties to a Dark Movie
    8:07 PM ET

    Inspiration for Cho’s Images? A self-shot photo of Mr. Cho, above, and a still from the Web site of the movie ‘Oldboy.’

    The inspiration for perhaps the most inexplicable image in the set that Cho Seung-Hui mailed to NBC news on Monday may be a movie from South Korea that won the Gran Prix prize at Cannes Film Festival in 2004. The poses in the two images are similar, and the plot of the movie, “Oldboy,” seems dark enough to merit at least some further study.

    Following is The Times’s plot summary: The film centers on a seemingly ordinary businessman, Dae-su (the terrific Choi Min-sik), who, after being mysteriously imprisoned, goes on an extensive, exhausting rampage, seeking answers and all manner of bloody revenge.

    In a Times review, Manohla Dargis wrote that the film’s “body count and sadistic violence” mostly appealed to “cult-film aficionados for whom distinctions between high art and low are unknown, unrecognized and certainly unwelcome.”

    A Virginia Tech professor, Paul Harrill, alerted us of the similarity between images in the hope that it would shed some light on what led Mr. Cho to kill 32 on Monday before turning the gun on himself.

  61. Actually the firebombing of Tokyo killed more people (immediately) than both atomic bombs combined.

  62. Congrats, SS. So will the victims’ parents have standing to sue in South Korean court? Maybe they’ll just have to go after the film’s US distributor.

  63. Actually, there does seem to exist an “angry Muslim” angle. From TCSDaily.com, by way of Lawrence Auster’s View from the Right (http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/007678.html):

    http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=041807B

    Ismail Ax: The Shooter Was Another ‘Son of Sacrifice’

    First it was Johnny Muhammad, now it was Cho Sueng Hui aka Ismail Ax. Precisely how many mass shooters have to turn out to have adopted Muslim names before we get it? Islam has become the tribe of choice of those who hate American society. I’m not talking about people who grew up as Muslims, confident and secure in their faith, good fathers, sons and neighbors. I’m talking about the angry, malignant, narcissist loners who want to reject their community utterly, to throw off their ‘slave name’ and represent the downtrodden of the earth by shooting their friends and neighbors.

    This morning I read that the Virginia Tech shooter died with the name Ismail Ax written in red ink on his arm. The mainstream press doesn’t seem to have a clue as to what this might mean. To quote Indiana Jones, “Didn’t any of you guys go to Sunday School?”

    The story starts with a man named Abraham. He is the father of the Jews, the Muslims and the Christians. He was born in Iraq, the son of a wealthy idol manufacturer. He came to believe that there was only one true God and, according to tradition, took up his ax and destroyed his father’s idols.

    Eventually he left Iraq and moved to what is now known as Israel. He had a son with his concubine whom she named Ishmael. The Muslim world prefers the Arabic spelling of the name: Ismail. Eventually Abraham had a son by his rightful wife and named the son Isaac. Ishmael and his mother were disinherited and sent out into what is now Saudi Arabia. Isaac became the heir.

    Eventually, God decided to test Abraham by telling him to kill his son, Isaac. Abraham took up the knife, but God stopped him at the last moment. Isaac lived and eventually became a man of great wealth. Ishmael became a desert warrior chieftain.

    The Jews are the descendants of Isaac, the Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael.

    In the 7th Century, Muhammad, the founder of Islam, re-wrote the story, claiming that Ismail was the true faithful descendant of Abraham and that it was he, not Isaac, who God told Abraham to sacrifice. Ismail was the one saved. For Muslims, Ismail (not Isaac) was the true ‘Son of Sacrifice.’ In the original version of the story, Abraham used a knife, in some of the later Muslim versions, he used an Ax.

    Flash forward 1,400 years: a sullen, angry young man who rages against rich people and apparently against Christians, writes a play in which a mother and son try to kill his step-father, but in the end the boy (age about 13, the age many think Ismail was when he was exiled) is murdered by the step-father with ‘a deadly blow’. Father issues? Yeah, I think so.

    Cho Sueng-hui cum Ismail Ax hated the American society to which he had been brought 15 years earlier. His play McBeef (a poor pun from an English Lit major on Macbeth) is one endless screed against the corruption of American culture. A cheesy re-telling of Shakespeare’s Hamlet, it involves a young man abused by his step-father, a former NFL football player. The son, throws epithets at his father calling him a ‘Catholic priest’. And makes derisive comments about McDonalds. It seems that none of the foundational structures of Western Civilization, Christianity, capitalism, family, are spared his rage. In other words, he really meant what he said in his last words: “you (that is us, America) made me do this.”

  64. So are you folks, especially you David Weigel, going to apologize to Steve Sailer for – gasp – being kind of on to something?

  65. Or are apologies only for Don Imus?

  66. Dave Weigel, wipe that egg off your face!

  67. Sorry, Weigel, the British media is citing police officers involved in the VTech case as saying that Cho had watched the violent South Korean film “Oldboy” repeatedly in the days leading up to the massacre. Many of his poses in the photos sent to NBC are reminiscent of scenes from that film. It looks like Sailer had a reasonable point.

    Of course, from any plain reading of Sailer’s remarks, it is clear he isn’t blaming the massacre entirely on movies (far from it) and was only engaging in a bit of conjecture about a possible movie connection in the first place. But in the latest attempt by Reason to find any tawdry excuse to bash immigration opponents like Sailer you foolishly reached for it. Nice move.

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