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"2005 Weblog Award Finalist" and C-list pundit Debbie Schlussel once again beat the Em-Ess-Em to the punch. This time, she has scooped Cho Seung-Hui's connection to global jihad. Seems that with the help of other anti-jihadists, Debbie (as well as the equally loathsome Pamela Geller Oshry ) sleuthed her way to to the obscure Flickr account of a Muslim Indonesian woman who goes by the name "Eldarossell." After baiting her readers with a completely gratuitous picture of one of Eldarossel's female friends wrapped in an Islamic head dressing, Schlussel moves in for the kill. She next shows a picture of a South Korean friend of Eldarossell's named Cho Seung Hoo (as opposed to "Hui"). Eldearossel befriended Hoo while he was studying computer science in Indonesia. While there, he took the name "Ishmael." It's not at all uncommon for Asian people to adopt local names while visiting foreign countries.

From there, Schlussel and Geller let their crank, obsessive Muslim-baiting take over. Hoo and Hui must be the same person! Hui is a jihadist! The Blacksburg massacre is just the latest battle in the global war on terror!

You see, the Virginia Tech killer was apparently a skilled marksman. Could it be that he studied marksmanship at Islamic terror camps in Indonesia? Schlussel doesn't know. She's just asking. And golly, don't Hoo and Hui look remarkably similar?

Well, no. They really don't, other than that they're both young Asian men with glasses.

But don't let that stop you, Debbie. The kicker for Schlussel is that after being "discovered," Eldarossel took down the photo of her friend.

Strangely, since yesterday, that photo has been removed by Miss Eldarossell, though the rest of her photos remain up. Also removed were the many comments posted by visitors to the site noting that her friend (or relative?) "Ismail," sure looked like Cho Seung-Hui, and was probably him, given the caption she posted.

Yes. That sure is strange. Or not. Perhaps EldaRossel removed the photo because she was mortified that dimwitted American bloggers had pulled photos from the Flickr account she'd set up to share pictures with her friends and family, posted them on their blogs to score cheap political points, then suggested her friend is a Muslim militant and mass murderer. Can you see, Debbie, how that might make someone who didn't ask for this publicity want to take the photo down?

As EldaRossel notes in her response, her friend is still studying in Indonesia. He is Christian. And he's still very much alive. I'm just guessing here, but I'll bet an MSM-er would have taken the time to email EldaRossel before posting a man's picture on the Internet and suggesting he's a mass murderer. Silly, America-hating media.

I don't know if Hui sympathized with Islamic terrorists or not. The "Ishmael Ax" story is interesting, but purely speculative. Reports thus far suggest he was just a really messed-up kid. But this obsessive drive to bring every tragedy back to the GWOT is really getting ugly.

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  1. Well, that didn’t take long.

  2. What a stupid twunt.

  3. “And golly, don’t Hoo and Hui look remarkably similar?
    Well, no. They really don’t, other than that they’re both young Asian men with glasses”

    http://alllooksame.com/

    saunters off…

  4. A local talk radio host yesterday was going to try and explore the “connection” between ismolatic facisim and the note on his arm, but he ran out of time.

  5. You know, I am not going to weigh in on this except to say great title.

  6. “And golly, don’t Hoo and Hui look remarkably similar?
    Well, no. They really don’t, other than that they’re both young Asian men with glasses”

    http://alllooksame.com/

    saunters off…

    Heh, exactly.

    Notice how Schlussel’s and Geller’s blog posts are still up even after they were proven wrong. Not surprising, really.

  7. It’s just been reported that the killer sent a packet including videos to NBC.

  8. I’ve become convinced those on the Nutbag Right wake up every day fervently hoping that this country is attacked by Muslims once again, strictly because it will enable them to tell liberals ‘I told you so.’

    They do really seem desperate to tie anyrhing that happens in the universe to those wacky ‘Islamofascists,’ don’t they?

  9. Freedom of speech right up there with right to bear arms.

    I am familiar with Nina Hartley in “Debbie Does Dishes”

    VM, mrs. bro ben is now a huge fan of the taint kick you dirty bastage (her kick, my taint)

  10. It’s just been reported that the killer sent a packet including videos to NBC.

    Also, it’s being reported, that in 2005:
    A Virginia court found that Virginia Tech killer Seung-Hui Cho was “mentally ill” and potentially dangerous. Then the state let him go.

  11. Stranger –

    sadly, it seems that the “I told you so” doctrine is alive and well and used by both sides. It’s sickening, and it distracts from the more important things in life. Like bating.

    Among other things.

    ChicagoTom – thanks for that link. scary stuff.

  12. How long until somebody finds a way to blame marijuana?

  13. Like bating.

    Among other things.

    What other things could possibly be more important than batin?

  14. It does seem like the state has its hands on all of these mass killers at some point before they finally get caught (or die). I’m not saying that we should keep them all imprisoned without evidence or anything, of course. People can go pretty far down crazy lane in a free society before we’ll do anything about it–usually, someone has to get threatened or hurt.

    Like with the terrorist threat, this is a natural consequence of a free and open society. We can only do our best to minimize the threats, but we can’t eliminate them without losing something more important than “perfect safety”. Which is likely unachievable, anyway.

  15. What other things could possibly be more important than batin?

    Marijuana!

  16. It’s really starting to get bad in this country when it’s hard to distinguish “real” news articles from a story in “The Onion.”

    I had to read it twice to be sure (the post, not the link; as I saw a chance to save 2 minutes of my life from utter waste).

  17. ChicagoT:

    “What other things could possibly be more important than batin?”

    the noam chomsky blow up doll
    the leather-bound edition of “Heather Has Two Mommies” (the one with the sweaty pillow fight scene on page 69)

    while they’re not more important, there are definite times when they’re on par with batin.

  18. “What other things could possibly be more important than batin?”

    Rum and Piracy

  19. The shooter was an English major at Virginia Tech. Perhaps he read “Moby Dick” – itself the story of a loner. Who was that loner?

    “Call me Ishmael.”

  20. What other things could possibly be more important than batin?

    My large tracts of land.

  21. THE ROVING REPORTER HAS UNCOVERED SOMETHING IMPORTANT
    Cho Seung-Hui and Cho Seung Hoo have teamed up with Who Flung Poo and Izheet M’Drawrz for nefarious activities.

    ALSO: What other things could possibly be more important than batin?

    For Schlussel and Geller, it’s obviously, “obsessive Muslim-baiting (sic)”.

    oh. wrong kind. sorry.

  22. I am familiar with Nina Hartley in “Debbie Does Dishes”

    I’ve dated many girls named Debbie. None ever did dishes.

  23. Debbie Does Malice

    Radley wins the thread.

  24. I used to detest Schlussel for her annoying, cause-you-instantly-to-change-the-station man-voice. Now I have a much better reason to detest her.

  25. I must be the only person here who has never heard of Debbie Schlussel until yesterday. Who is she? Does she have a history of bad reporting?

  26. Marijuana!

    Agreed!

    while they’re not more important, there are definite times when they’re on par with batin.

    Agreed!

    Rum and Piracy

    Am I pirating porn?? Then agreed!!! Otherwise not so much. In fact the Rum might obstruct the batin, no?

    My large tracts of land
    Ick!

  27. THIS JUST IN: ALTHOUGH WE HAVE NO PROOF, WE HAVE NEVER SEEN SENATOR OBAMA WITH THESE TWO TERROR SUSPECTS. HOWEVER, THEY ARE CONNECTED IN INDONESIA. THERE MUST BE A CONNECTION. AND YOU CAN’T PROVE THERE ISN’T ONE. NEENER NEENER

  28. Apparently the video (“multimedia”) package he sent to NBC news in New York was addressed from Ishmail (spelling?)

  29. Rum and Piracy comes only in the package deal, but if you

    ACT NOW!

    you can get Rum, Piracy, and an authentic Spanish Dubloon FREE!

  30. Sorry, I’ve been playing Sid Meier’s Pirates! far too much lately.

  31. Do Rum, Piracy, or Marijuana interfere in any way with baitin’?

  32. “Do Rum, Piracy, or Marijuana interfere in any way with batin’?”

    not in the Big Rock Candy Mountains

  33. You never change your socks…

  34. mediageek,

    Yes, they are part of a secret organization, a mental-midget mafia, if you will.

  35. If he was Muslim, he’d call him Ismail, not Ishmael.

    30 seconds of Islamic Studies would tell you that.

  36. You have to be American to be this kind of stupid.

  37. He WHAT!!! – Mailed a package to NBC – MAILED A FREAKIN’ PACKAGE – WHILE ARMED! Didn’t the bozo know all USPS facilities are gun-free zones. That’s a federal offence! I no longer feel safe going to the post office to ship the stuff I sell on eBay. I’ll have to shift to one of the private shipping companies. Oh the humanity!

  38. Quote from Ms Eldarossell’s response –

    “I’m being paranoid now. I’m afraid because I put all my pictures in the internet. What if something likes this happen again?? Maybe one day, someone will say “Hey, that dog pic on your Flickr, I think it was the one who bite me yesterday. I’m going to sue you”

  39. >Perhaps he read “Moby Dick”

    “Eskimo.” It’s one word. I usually go for the whole sentence myself, but, that’s perfecto.

  40. “They do really seem desperate to tie anyrhing that happens in the universe to those wacky ‘Islamofascists,’ don’t they?”

    I’ll wager many of the Malkinites / Schlusselites / and Coulter beasts would gladly have the final VT death toll tripled if but to have a Muslim connection, or even a French one for that matter.

  41. He wasn’t a “kid”. He was 23.

  42. Anyone at least 10 years younger than yourself is a “kid” until you are 50.

  43. Five years ago, political scientist Muqtedar Khan wrote this:

    http://www.beliefnet.com/story/64/story_6448_1.html

    He clearly criticized the Dalai Lama for saying “Whether Hindu or Muslim or Christian, whoever tries to convert, it’s wrong, not good” onstage at an event in India hosted by a Hindu nationalist group.

    Schlussel responded by writing this:

    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24835

    Then there is Muqtedar Khan. A political science professor at Michigan’s Adrian College, he is supposed to be a moderate Muslim American. A frequent op-ed writer in the Detroit News and several other publications, he is on the board of the Center for the Study of Islam and Democracy and the executive committee of the Association of Muslim Social Scientists. But Khan’s Feb. 8 Detroit News opinion column attacking one of the world’s most peaceful, humane religious leaders – the Dalai Lama – belies the moderate tone Khan tries to present. Khan is upset that the Dalai Lama is respected and “legitimized … by bestowing upon him a Nobel Peace Prize.” The Dalai Lama’s crime (according to Khan)? He actually opposes forcible conversions to Islam. What nerve.

  44. That Pamela Geller Oshry link and the “Atlas Shrugs” blog is enough to scare anybody. …and I’m not just talking about the VA Tech story. Scroll down. …or better yet, just read the banner. “Western Civilization…” …blah, blah, blah.

    …and what’s the Ayn Rand tie in to all that anyway? What strange path does somebody have to stumble down, to read “Atlas Shrugged”, love it and end up in a place like that? WTF?!

    Between that blog and the news, I’m ’bout ready to go buy the first season of “Full House” and keep watchin’ ’til I start feeling normal again.

  45. Someday Schlussel will be right about something. And then you’ll all owe her an apology. Start practicing now.

  46. “Someday Schlussel will be right about something. And then you’ll all owe her an apology. Start practicing now.”

    Gee, I’m really sorry, Debbie. …but a broken clock tells perfect time twice a day.

  47. A quick Bertillion leads me to believe that they are two different men. While you can only see a single ear on the left photo, it appears to be smaller and a different shape than the ear in the one on the right.

  48. Put him on the NO FLY LIST anyway.
    Better safe than sorry, right?

  49. Wake me up when somebody links this guy to Kim Jong Il and the PRK secret police.

  50. Normally, I’m all for knocking down falsehoods, but I wonder about the value of even linking to this. I assume that even the relatively crazies think that stuff like this is crazy.

  51. brotherben | April 18, 2007, 11:04am | #

    Permission to troll?

    thank you

    Cho had the words “Ismail Ax” scrawled on his arm in red ink. His writings rage against rich kids and religion.
    My gut is that he viewed himself as doing this to take down the idols of christianity and sacrifice others to God for their religious hypocrisy. This being in line with Ibrahim’s destruction in the temple with his ax prior to founding Islam. The sacrifice being similar ti Ibrahim’s call from God in a dream to kill his son, Ismail, as an act of obedience. Wealthy christian kids can be real tough on a odd mental case like Cho.
    Dont see this as justification for his actions, there is none. I am curious as to his motivations.

  52. So much fun to have until someone finds whatever mundane yet very specific reference this kid made with “Ismail Ax.” We may never find out, but I’ll wager it will be very dull and obscure.

  53. Does anyone else think that Nietzsche is responsible for this? ZOMGMISR3&ADING

  54. Unfortunately, the Schlussel meme has made it into the “mainstream” media:

    http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21581504-661,00.html

    When investigators searched the body of Cho, who shot himself in the face as police closed in, they found the cryptic phrase “Ismail Ax” written in red ink on one arm.

    There was speculation it could be a reference to a Muslim girl in Indonesia he was said to have befriended online or to a cultist focus on Islam and assassins.

  55. People, let’s keep our facts straight. The tattoo read “Ishmael Ax’, not “Ismail Ax”.
    Ishmael is Hebrew, not Arabic.

  56. Cho had a seemingly Islamic reference on his arm and on the package he mailed. His sister is employed by a contractor dealing with Iraq war finance.
    Therefore, It is Islam terrorista and Bush related.

    A liberal democrats wet dream.

    if you listen close, you can hear Hillary moaning in ecstasy…

  57. All accounts I have seen spelled it
    “Ismail Ax”

  58. Well, the good news is that about 175 more civilians were killed in Iraq today than in Virginia on Monday. So, count your blessings.

  59. Envelope clearly says
    “A. Ishmael”

  60. And, guess which story is leading all the TV news and news websites? Hint: not the one that happened today.

  61. Also, reports that John McCain visited Virginia Tech and shopped at the campus store the day before the shootings have not been confirmed.

  62. Call me Ishmael Some years ago – never mind how long precisely – having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world. It is a way I have of driving off the spleen, and regulating the circulation. Whenever I find myself growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul; whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet; and especially whenever my hypos get such an upper hand of me, that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me from deliberately stepping into the street, and methodically knocking people’s hats off – then, I account it high time to get to sea as soon as I can. This is my substitute for pistol and ball. With a philosophical flourish Cato throws himself upon his sword; I quietly take to the ship. There is nothing surprising in this. If they but knew it, almost all men in their degree, some time or other, cherish very nearly the same feelings towards the ocean with me.
    (Moby Dick)

  63. america is creating more terrorists than it is killing

  64. I don’t know that this Schlusser person is the first to try to link the VA tech killings to islamic terrorism. Michael Savage, who hosts the talk radio show “Savage Nation”, started making that connection the day of the killings, merely because they wouldn’t give the name of perpetrator. Savage thinks that the MSM is part of a conspiracy to shield islamic people from blame for their terrorist acts.

  65. Hey I was just getting caught up with the Anna Nicole thing..groan.

  66. Until this minute I thought the stupidest explanation for the Cho’s behavior was the woman who suggested it was because he was an English major. Why doesn’t Schussel just connect the fact that Cho and Osama both breathe oxygen, ergot Cho must be a jihadi? Makes about as much sense.

    You know what that much asshatery calls for? A recipe. A nice, spring recipe, something nurturing to clean the vast pile of ick out of my brain from this article. So, here is Asparagus and Lemon Chicken, a Cathy Lowe recipe featured on Sara Moulton’s Food Network show, and what I made for dinner tonight.

    2 tbls. olive oil
    1 whole boneless chicken breast, cut into 1″ pieces. (I actually used a pound and a half of chicken tenders. That requires roughly doubling the given amounts.)
    salt and pepper
    4 cloves garlic, minced
    1/2 red pepper, seeded and diced
    1/2 pound asparagus, trimmed and cut into 1 or 2 inch pieces
    1 tsp. lemon zest
    1/2 cup white wine or chicken stock (since I doubled the recipe, I used both. I recommend using both, adjusting the amounts as necessary.)
    3 cups cooked rice

    In a large non-stick skillet, heat the olive oil over medium high heat. Season the chicken with salt and pepper and add to the skillet, cooking until golden brown on both sides, about 5 minutes. Stir in garlic and pepper. Add the asparagus and cook for about a minute. Stir in zest and liquid and bring to a simmer. Cover and cook for three minutes. Serve immediately over rice.

    My kids actually liked the dish. They ate entire plates, including vegetables. We discussed Admiral Nimitz and island hopping and not one single, solitary word was mentioned about GWOT, terrorists, or nutzoids with grudges. I highly recommend this.

  67. Thank you Karen.

    I’m thinking that might also work with veal. You know, do it in stainless instead of notstick and deglaze the pan with the wine/stock?

    Also, you could serve it over orzo instead of rice . . .

  68. Funny you should mention orzo. We didn’t have any rice so I used orzo tonight and it worked splendidly. I’ll bet couscous would work, too. Also, the veal sounds good. I’ll have to try that.

  69. Video of the killer makes it clear that he felt harassed and rejected. Perhaps the moniker Ismail/Ishmael is a Biblical reference to the son of Abraham’s concubine, who was cast out into the wilderness.

  70. So, the question is: “who’s Ishmael and how does he afford to shop at Armani Exchange?”

    Them’s some expensive pants. That’s all I’m saying.

  71. There is a black american author/essayist/poet by the name of Ishmael Reed who writes about minority power struggles a lot concerning blacks and asians in america. He was recently featured in a leading south korean literary magazine. In the black vernacular one might want to Ax Ishmael a question? An english major of south korean origin might be familiar with Mr. Reed?
    Stop that!
    Everyone else is reaching for answers too.

  72. There is also this theory kicking around. Ishmael is a character from a James Fenimore Cooper short story called Prarie. Ishmael carries an axe. But not an ax. He almost never talks.

  73. What other things could possibly be more important than batin?

    Brawndo! It’s got what Islamosinokoreofascists crave. It’s got electrolytes.

  74. Somebody should tell these stupid cunts (yes, that word–it fits here) that this nutjob apparently found inspiration in Jesus Christ:

    “You have vandalized my heart, raped my soul and torched my conscience. You thought it was one pathetic boy’s life you were extinguishing. Thanks to you, I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and the defenseless people.”

  75. henry-

    What you don’t realize is that Jesus isn’t just a Christian figure. He’s also regarded as a prophet by Muslims.

    Which means that the kid was inspired by an Islamic prophet. OMG!

  76. thoreau,

    I never trusted the fucker myself:

    http://www.theonion.com/content/node/29540

  77. I’ll bet money the tatoo actually says “a small axe” but is just poorly written (or maybe reading a tatoo on a wounded corpse ain’t that easy.) “A small axe” of course being the lyrics to a Bob Marley song that actually make sick sense in this context – “And if you are the big tree, we have a small axe. Sharpened to cut you down, well sharp, to cut you down”

  78. If Schussel wants to follow the scent of terror, she should wake up and smell the cheese —
    http://adamant.typepad.com/seitz/2007/04/the_long_arm_of.html

  79. Well his video did remind me quite clearly of the ones left by the London 7/7 bombers. Right down to the shot with all the weapons.

  80. What have you learned, Grasshopper?

    “All blogs are suspect, Master.”

  81. I want to discuss the global jihhhAAAd!

    The only time I’ve ever heard Debbie Schlussel is when they are making fun of her on Stern. The classic was when she accused Jason Alexander of supporting global terror because he was involved with that silly ONE World charity. She’s a riot. Funny because she is completely unaware of how funny she is. She’s like Coulter’s retarded sister.

  82. Karen,

    Nice touch with the recipe ๐Ÿ™‚

    Although, have you tried to sautee the garlic first in the oil before the chicken gets cooked? In my (limited) experience it gets more umph out of the garlic. Fat being the vehicle of flavors. But then my only cooking experience is in southern/creole stuff which many yankees find… too much for tender palates.

    But anyway, good stuff

  83. vanya | April 19, 2007, 3:05am

    *slowly backs away. makes note about vanya in little notebook. fades away into shadows*

    *THUD!!!*

    *trips over Colonel Flagg*

  84. Why are right wing nut job women so damned hot? Yet, left wing nutjobs like Susan Estrich or Dalia Lithwick so plain? When beautiful girls go wrong, they join the right. When plain girls go wrong they go left.

  85. I suspect* that Jin Sun-Kwon is somehow involved.

    *Yes, I realize that this statement is probably at best in poor taste. My thoughts go out to all those effected by the Virginia Tech shoooting.

  86. They’re not that hot. They just conform more stringently to the “boob-highlighting, hair and make-up” requirements of ‘standard’ notions of female magazine-beauty.

    When you see them up close, in person, you realize they are average people done up.

    I say this from spending 4 years at a conservative southern university, where the women were hot, blonde, all looked the same, and dull as wet socks. the ‘liberal’ jeans and t-shirt chicks at least put out. ๐Ÿ™‚ the ‘hot’ ones wanted to know what your dad did for a living and whether you had a trust fund.

    so i just lied and told them i was the heir to great fortunes and that my other car was a porche.

    Worked like a charm.

  87. Why are so many of the right-wing nut jobs lawyers – Reynolds, Coulter, Schlussel, Althouse? I suppose a lot of left-wing nut jobs are lawyers as well. Let me rephrase that – why would anyone give a lawyer the time of day to hear them pontificate on anything? Clearly a legal education only trains you to believe in the sound of your own voice droning on, not to actually develop a logical thought…

  88. “Fat being the vehicle of flavors”

    I’m a tasty tasty boy!

  89. Do not doubt that people like Debbie Schlussel are just as narcissistic and evil and dangerous as the VT shooter, in their own way.

  90. never ever believed that something like that is possible…
    a memoriam and condolence site you’ll find here: http://www.blacksburg-massacre.info
    Thanks for joining and helping build up this memoriam site.

  91. Vanya,

    The are lawyers who can’t practice law. First, Reynolds is not a nutjob. You may disagree with him but if Reynolds is a nutjob in your world, you must be a leftwing nutjob yourself. As for Althouse, Lithwick and Coulter and the like, they are lawyers who are too crazy to actually practice law so instead they became journalists.

  92. I’m just guessing here, but I’ll bet an MSM-er would have taken the time to email EldaRossel before posting a man’s picture on the Internet and suggesting he’s a mass murderer. Silly, America-hating media.

    I wouldn’t take that bet.


  93. As for Althouse, Lithwick and Coulter and the like, they are lawyers who are too crazy to actually practice law so instead they became journalists.

    The mere fact that you lump Lithwick in with those two suggests your critical faculties are non-operational. Please post something from Lithwick that you deem particularly “crazy”.

  94. The Schossel column is probably the stupidest thing I’ve ever read that didn’t have the words “Michelle” and “Malkin” attached to it…

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