Ann Coulter's Testosterone Injection

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Robert Stacy McCain and Victor Morton report the Ann Coulter "faggotgate" story to a bloody pulp over at the WashTimes.

Last night, however, Miss Coulter said that she did not use the word to demean homosexuals, nor to suggest that Mr. Edwards—a 53-year-old married father of four—is homosexual.

Describing her remark as "a schoolyard taunt," she said on Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes" program that she meant to describe Mr. Edwards as "lame" and a "sissy."

"In that way, it is a sophomoric word, not a bad word," said Miss Coulter, longtime legal-affairs correspondent for the conservative weekly Human Events.

Criticism of Miss Coulter was most fierce from Internet activists, including a group of conservative bloggers who attended the conference. In an open letter posted on their sites, they urged CPAC's sponsors to stop inviting Miss Coulter to the event and declared that "the Age of Ann has passed." The signatories included Ed Morrissey of Captain's Quarters, Ace of Spades, and Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit.

It was a busy weekend, and I might have missed the news, but: Who died and appointed these guys the bouncers of the conservative movement? Coulter's the most influential, impactful pundit on the right; some students forked over the money to CPAC simply so they could see her. It makes no sense for CPAC's sponsors to shun Coulter, if they're concerned at all about their bottom line, which is what they should be concerned with.

Of course, this is a shell game. The knock on Coulter is that she says offensive, hateful things about liberals (and libertarians) and makes some conservatives flinch. Sorry; she makes many more of them weak-kneed with giggles. Is that going to stop because a small number of bloggers demand she lose one of her many yearly speaking gigs to conservatives? Nope. Coulter's success is a symptom of the right's decline, not a cause.

What was Coulter's joke? "It wasn't offensive to gays, it has nothing to do with gays. It's a schoolyard taunt meaning 'wuss.'" Why does this cut so deep with the pro-war right? Because the feminization and mockery of Democrats has become so vital to the last few Republican campaigns, and to pro-war arguments outside of political campaigns. What's the substantive difference between Coulter calling Edwards a wuss and calling him the "Breck Girl." What separates that from the Bush campaign calling John Kerry "French-looking" or Bob Tyrrell calling him "Jean-Francois Kerry"? Let me put on my Democrat-shilling ring of power and quote Paul Waldman:

The argument that your opponent is weak and effeminate can be particularly effective with male voters. After all, what the Republicans are telling them is, "Hey, buddy—you don't want vote for that guy, do you? He's a little light in the loafers, if you know what I mean. What are people going to think about YOU?"

The idea that Democrats are wimps, pussies, pick your poison, isn't a creation of the Reagan era or Fox News; remember President Merkin Muffley trembling and blubbering as the military-industrial complex pushes him around? It's a problem when the argument's broadened to include anyone who's anti-Iraq war, or anti-war generally. We must be wimps (or anti-Semites) if we want to leave Iraq or "back down" from Iran. You need to "talk tough" and shut up about engaging our current crop of enemies if you want to be taken seriously. The censure-Coulter folks would be a lot more impressive if they signed some concord (can the Euston guys lease them a room?) ending those kinds of arguments.*

*This is sarcasm. I don't want anyone signing agreements to stop making political arguments, obviously.

UPDATE: Someone in the comments wonders whether Coulter is "the most influential, impactful pundit on the right." If you broaden the term "pundit" to include radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh, you can argue about that. But I'm happy to hear about the other bestselling author and columnist who has been profiled on the cover of Time magazine, can draw thousands of people to a speech, can make ratings spike when she/he appears on TV, has inspired a talking doll, and causes national sensations when she/he makes a controversial statement every few months.

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  1. “Coulter’s the most eminent pundit on the right….”

    No shit?
    (What else is there to say?)

  2. I didn’t intend to demean homosexuals.

    I just referred to someone by a synonymn for “homosexual” in order to demean him.

  3. Why anyone considers this twunt relevant is beyond me.

  4. nuff said

    (oh – due to language, NSFW)

  5. Why is everyone getting so upset? all she did was call Sen Edwards a bunch of sticks tied together.

    It’s kind of incoherent, but then again Ann is not famous for her coherence… 😉

  6. I was always told that they were English cigarettes.

  7. Opus,

    That’s fags.

  8. Hate Ann Coulter all you want, she’s absolutely right that “faggot” is sort of a school yard taunt. School yard taunts are usually homophobic or emasculating in some way. I grew up in the south, and things that were gay, faggot, queer etc., were “strange” and “wrong,” but it wasn’t until later, perhaps middle school or highschool, that I understood these words to refer to homosexuality. Honestly, I have a hard time getting riled up over this. You really have to want to get riled up over this. And that’s pretty queer in my book.

  9. Let me get this straight. Conservatives should stop criticizing Coulter because conservatives are not critical of Coulter.

    David,
    Maybe a Democratic shill isn’t in the best position to speak for Republicans.

  10. Coulter is something of a genius – she gets to point out how wimpy liberals are and then once we get offended she gets to point out again how wimpy we are for being so easily offended.

  11. [quote]Let me put on my Democrat-shilling ring of power[/quote]

    Ah, yes, that would be the sixth, forgotten ring of the Planeteers after Fire, Water, Air, Earth and Heart.

  12. leftist hate:

    National Public Radio legal affairs correspondent Nina Totenberg:

    [I]f there is retributive justice [Sen. Jesse Helms] will get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it.

    USA Today syndicated columnist Julianne Malveaux, on Clarence Thomas:

    I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease.

    Washington Post syndicated columnist Richard Cohen:

    For hypocrisy, for sheer gall, [Newt] Gingrich should be hanged.

    Comedian and (former) talk show host Craig Kilborn [Caption under footage of George W. Bush]:

    Snipers Wanted

    Members of the St. Petersburg Democratic Club:

    And then there’s Rumsfeld who said of Iraq “We have our good days and our bad days.” We should put this S.O.B. up against a wall and say “This is one of our bad days” and pull the trigger.

    Actor Alec Baldwin on Conan O’Brien:

    [I]f we were in other countries, we would all right now, all of us together, all of us together would go down to Washington and we would stone Henry Hyde to death! We would stone him to death! [crowd cheers] Wait! Shut up! Shut up! No shut up! I’m not finished. We would stone Henry Hyde to death and we would go to their homes and we’d kill their wives and their children. We would kill their families.

    Comedian Chris Rock:

    If President Clinton would pardon me I would whip Starr’s ass right now. I will get a crew from Brooklyn and we will stomp him like, like, we’re Savion Glover. We’ll stomp him like it’s bringing da noise.

    Director Spike Lee on Charlton Heston:

    Shoot him with a .44 caliber Bulldog.

    James Carville on Ken Starr:

    He’s one more mistake away from not having any kneecaps.

    Syndicated columnist Alexander Cockburn:

    There is a sound case to be made for dropping a tactical nuclear weapon on the Cuban section of Miami. The move would be applauded heartily by most Americans. Alas, Operation Good Riddance would require the sort of mature political courage sadly lacking in Washington, D.C., these days.

    Columnist, author, media pundit, journalist, and newspaper editor Dan Savage:

    My plan? Get close enough to Bauer to give him the flu, which, if I am successful, will lay him flat just before the New Hampshire primary. I’ll go to Bauer’s campaign office and cough on everything. Phones and pens. Staplers and staffers. I even hatch a plan to infect the candidate himself; I’ll keep a pen in my mouth until Bauer drops by his offices to rally the troops. And when he does, I’ll approach him and ask for his autograph, handing him the pen from my flu-virus-incubating mouth.

    That column also appeared on Salon.com. It was a little more than hate “speech” – the guy actually did try to give Gary Bauer the flu.

    It’s racism you want?

    Democrat Senator Robert Byrd:

    There are white niggers. I’ve seen a lot of white niggers in my time. I’m going to use that word.

    Democrat presidential candidate Jesse Jackson on Jews:

    Hymies

    and on New York City:

    Hymietown

    http://patterico.com/2007/03/05/5901/leftist-hate-speech/

    This is like post number two on Coulter. Why does Weigel care so much? There is plenty of crazy nasty things to talk about.

  13. John makes a good point – “leftist hate” tends to be directed towards individual right-wing leaders and politicians.

    Whereas “righty hate” tends to be directed towards large groups of people that don’t look like them or share their values. As well as individual leaders and politicans.

  14. Hay! Look over there! Over there!

    No, no, don’t look over here, look over THERE!

  15. I thought the Heart ring was the Democrat-shilling ring.

    I think the right wing usage of rhetoric calling Democrats girly is because it is the most effective way to highlight the Republicans incoherent decisive positions on security issues in contrast the to Democrats incoherent confusing and indecisive positions on the same issues.

  16. The censure-Coulter folks would be a lot more impressive if they signed some concord (can the Euston guys lease them a room?) ending those kinds of arguments.
    Huh?
    Coulter said the gay equivalent of nigger, pro-war bloggers come out against her, and David Weigel still isn’t satisfied and even sticks up for the assholes who sponsor Coulter?
    Anon, huh?

    So, Dave, does this mean you’ll be asking anti-war bloggers to stop with chicken-hawk arguements? No seriously, are you?

    And wasn’t Dr. Strangelove more of a Fightin’ Democrats type criticism of Centrist-type Dems who roll over? I never saw it as a pro-right-wing movie, but I guess you learn something new everyday, sure, right…

  17. Warren,

    I suppose what David is saying is that the conservative elites are out of touch with the conservative rank and file. I don’t know that I would take Mr. Weigel’s word on that over the conservative elites’, though I guess it’s plausible, especially on the matter of reactions to the word “faggot”. I do question Weigel’s logic regarding the lack of “substantive difference”, or actually its signficance. Accusations don’t have to be substantively different to have different PR effects. Using rhetoric to effectively tar or insult an opponent without seeming overly nasty or mean-spirited about it is the art form of the public sphere combatant, and it’s hardly illogical to think or claim someone has played the game poorly when saying something not “substantively different” from someone else who played it more correctly. That said, I lack the requisite familiarity with Joe Six-pack to know how he’s reacting to Ann’s latest. Though when I put it that way, hard to imagine he’s exactly recoiling with horror.

    Lamar,

    What you say is accurate except for one thing. Ann Coulter is not a six-year-old and she knew, or at least should have known, the homosexual connotations of her comment.

  18. Dan T, “Jesusland”. Now go make me that sandwich.

    And any pundit who claims that blowhard A speaks for more people that does blowhard B (and C, D, …, Y, Z, Yuzz-a-ma-Tuzz: “most influential, impactful pundit on the right”), needs to provide some impartial polling data. Parrotting the talking points of Glenn Ellers Ellenberg Greenwald doesn’t count.

  19. “It makes no sense for CPAC’s sponsors to shun Coulter, if they’re concerned at all about their bottom line, which is what they should be concerned with.”

    If you were talking about an organization that primarily operated for the sake of PROFIT I would agree with you. (BTW I have nothing against profit) But CPAC is a POLITICAL organization, not a business like a radio station or bookstore. It SHOULD be concerned about things other than the “bottom line” such as how conservatives are perceived by the voting public at large.

  20. “Hay! Look over there! Over there!

    No, no, don’t look over here, look over THERE!”

    joe,

    The BalloonJuice blog commentrs call that a “jackalope.” As in, “look over there, it’s a jackalope!”

    Also, Darrell likes pie (BJ inside joke).

  21. “Who died and appointed these guys the bouncers of the conservative movement?”

    Was it the same jerk who appointed the former that appointed Coulter “the most influential, impactful pundit on the right?”

  22. Coulter’s the most influential, impactful pundit on the right

    If that isn’t an epitaph for the right, I don’t know what is.

  23. John,

    Tu quoque is a logical fallacy. I recommend you stay away from it. The real money is in ad hominem.

    You Fag.

    (Now where’s my CPAC speaker’s fee?)

  24. Dan T, “Jesusland”.

    Hey, I like “Jesusland.” I like the whole album.

  25. David Ross – “tends to” being the operative phrase here.

  26. I don’t think anyone’s really getting riled up over this. Even gays are over the idea that Coulter has any real impact on their image.

    If anything, it proves that the right-wing name-callers and the left-wing whiners exist in a zen-like balance of completely meaningless discourse.

  27. OMG! Where have I been! A Ben Folds Album I do not yet own! BTW, I think Ben Folds’ greatest achievement was his production of the “Has Been” album with Boston Legal actor William Shatner (I am told he was in some show before Boston Legal but I am not sure what it was.)

  28. Aren’t tranvestites allowed to say things like that?

  29. Abdul | March 6, 2007, 11:37am | #

    John,

    Tu quoque is a logical fallacy. I recommend you stay away from it. The real money is in ad hominem.

    You Fag.

    (Now where’s my CPAC speaker’s fee?)

    Not to mention, you just might want to link to Patterico since you just literally cut-and-pasted his whole spiel.
    And another thing, you and Patterico need to get something a “tad” more recent than 1992 if you want to show what the Left’s “heart of darkness” looks like.
    Because otherwise, it makes you both look like douchebags…

  30. Well, I am not a nazi apologist, so all I can say is that I hope that she dies of natural causes. Hopefully something painful like an attack by a rabid animal.

    Horowitz got it right in the video, the world really would be a much better place if a lot of those people just died.

    Hehehehe “those people” never thought I’d be bringing that one back!

  31. John,

    My apologies, you did link to Patterico. So I am the douchebag.

    Still, is that really the best somone can do is to just quote stuff from Bernard Goldberg’s Bias about events that were 15+ years ago?

  32. Contrasting this event with the Trent Lott affair, the party and movement itself has a lot less to worry about given that they actually support policies that are anti-gay.

  33. I would not be shocked if one day she came out of the closet as a lesbian. This may be why she has never “been with a man.” It would be quite humorous to see the reaction on both the right and the left.

  34. Gay, in the parlance of the schoolyard, is probably on par with retarded. I suspect in another 10 or 20 years retarded will be to the disability what moron or idiot is today. Where fag fits in,well, I’m not sure. If fag really is analogous to nigger for homosexuals, I have to wonder if kids ever did run around the schoolyard taunting each other with nigger; the way they did with fag in my day.

  35. abdul,
    I am not sure, but I think that ‘straw man’ arguments are more popular over here than ‘adhominem’ attacks. i could be wrong though.

  36. OPUS | March 6, 2007, 11:08am | #
    I was always told that they were English cigarettes.

    David | March 6, 2007, 11:11am | #
    Opus, That’s fags.

    So always remember first whether you’re in America or England before you ask “Can I bum a fag?”

  37. I am not a nazi apologist, so all I can say is that I hope she dies of antural causes. Hopefully something painfull like a rabid animal.

    I think Horowitz got it right in the video, the world would really be a much more peaceful and loving place if all of these people just dropped dead.

  38. Penguin,
    I think that Ann Coulter is a ‘Sex in the City’ type girl. She dates and stuff. She used to date a Moslem guy once, and she was called on it, and she had a funny quip.

  39. who would have thought coulter would be such a wuss?

  40. I hope all of those people get the pharmaceutical antibiotic superbugs the FDA is breeding.

  41. The is the secret reason they hated Clinton so much, even though he was more or less a moderate Republican. His cartoonish heterosexuality made it impossible for teh gay to stick to him. They tried with the $200 haircuts and all but dude was obviously game for about anything in a skirt.

  42. “But I’m happy to hear about the other bestselling author and columnist who has been profiled on the cover of Time magazine, can draw thousands of people to a speech, can make ratings spike when she/he appears on TV, has inspired a talking doll, and causes national sensations when she/he makes a controversial statement every few months.”

    I don’t think this reflects her influence, I think it reflects the fact that she’s blonder and leggier than other right-wing pundits. Pics of David Brooks don’t sell magazines or talking dolls.

  43. Kwais,

    Straw dog arguments are more popular, eh? How dare you suggest I am a populist! I’m in it for the money. Coulter has proven that mean = green.

  44. Her days as a draw are dwindling. She’s in her early 40s now, I think. Over the next 10 years, as she becomes more and more crone-like, her main selling-point (the combination of almost good looks with almost biting wit) will go poof.

  45. In terms of etymology, we had the same whoopty-doo about a year ago in the UK.

    A fat, unamusing BBC radio pundit called someone ‘gay’ live on air. The usual people came out and said this was homophobia. Others argued that gay currently means rubbish as opposed to homosexual. Of course, the reason it’s evolved into meaning rubbish is due to it’s association with being gay…..blah,blah, blah….

    The key question at hand is whether or not Coulter is attractive. I can’t make my mind up. I have a sneaky suspicion she’s into leather and stuff. I can imagine taking her home after shelling out ?70 quid on a bottle of red and her emerging from my bathroom in a gimp suit with a cat of nine tails and a goblet of wolf’s blood… Zoiks….

  46. Damn DAR, my door is closed because I am supposedly working really hard on some slideware, my laughter just busted me.

  47. A lot of the Clinton Era pundit chicks like Coulter are getting a little long in the tooth. Whoever picks and grooms these babes needs to do a Bob Barker-like purge of the old n’ busted and bring in some new hottness.

  48. dhex is right. The real story is that she now feels the need to defend her comments, which she would not have two years ago. Her moment has passed and her entire career will be of less lasting significance than that of Wham!

    And she’s not good-looking. It’s nice that people can see beyond her long, drawn face, slumped, weak shoulders, and huge, horsey mouth to fall in love with her personality. Very commendable. But you couldn’t pay me enough or give me enough alcohol to sleep with an unfed vampire like that.

  49. ‘But you couldn’t pay me enough or give me enough alcohol to sleep with an unfed vampire like that.’

    Yes I could. Every man has their price.

  50. “I thought the Heart ring was the Democrat-shilling ring.”

    Not even the powers of Democrat-shilling are as lame as “Heart.”

    Worst “superpower” ever.

  51. Yes, that’s why I said “almost good looking.” She has the kind of looks (especially hair) that make you look twice, but twice is enough.

  52. Put my vote in for Roland for winner of the thread.

  53. pigwiggle,

    “I have to wonder if kids ever did run around the schoolyard taunting each other with nigger; the way they did with fag in my day.”

    Babe Ruth’s nickname when he was in the orphanage was “Nigger.”

  54. Not even the powers of Democrat-shilling are as lame as “Heart.”

    Worst “superpower” ever.

    What about Aquaman’s ability to talk to fish? Just like Heart, only without the ability to communicate with terrestrial animals.

    Although, now that I think about it, both are more of a skill than a power, really.

  55. I think Dan Savage won the thread.

  56. My dad was racist like a David Duke/Strom Thurmond love child, but he wouldn’t let me say the n-word in public or private.

  57. If the conservative movement shuns Coulter, what will David have left to blog about?

  58. David Wiegel, having successfully permanently fused his “progressive” shilling ring to his middle finger, whined:

    It was a busy weekend, and I might have missed the news, but: Who died and appointed these guys the bouncers of the conservative movement?

    Translation: “How dare they distance themselves from Ann Coulter! Don’t they realize that Ann Coulter speaks for ALL conservatives at ALL times!?”

    The idea that Democrats are wimps, pussies, pick your poison, isn’t a creation of the Reagan era or Fox News

    Of course it isn’t a creation. It’s an observation — but the observation is about “progressives”, not Democrats. “Progressives” think that all problems can be solved by talking, no matter what the problem, no matter who the aggressor is. They are willfully and deliberately ignorant to the fact that some enemies will exploit them for this trait and see it for what it really is: weakness.

  59. I am not a nazi apologist, so all I can say is that I hope she dies of antural causes. Hopefully something painfull like a rabid animal.

    “Progressive” “tolerance” in full display. “Progressives” have taken hypocrisy to the HNL, deftly stealing the crown from Christian fundamentalists.

  60. “Progressives” think that all problems can be solved by talking, no matter what the problem, no matter who the aggressor is. They are willfully and deliberately ignorant to the fact that some enemies will exploit them for this trait and see it for what it really is: weakness.

    Don’t forget the corollary:

    “Neoconservatives” think that all problems can be solved by fighting, no matter what the problem, no matter who the aggressor is. They are willfully and deliberately ignorant to the fact that some enemies will exploit them for this trait and see it for what it really is: weakness.

    This is why none of these people should be listened to. At all.

  61. Brian,

    Excellent use of the word ‘corollary’. It should be used far more often. Alongside ‘nefarious’, which seems so much more eeevviiilll than evil.

  62. “Neoconservatives” think that all problems can be solved by fighting, no matter what the problem, no matter who the aggressor is.

    Exactly, which is why neoconservatives have done nothing, absolutely nothing, but fight, kill, and destroy in Iraq, completely shunning any sort of largesse or welfare for that shithole of a country. This is proven true just by looking at the money spent it Iraq: it has gone solely toward fighting. 100%.

    Oh, that’s right, you’re showing off “progressive” “nuance”, which dictates that everyone in the universe is either a Holy “progressive” or an evil “neocon” with absolutely no in-between, no shades of gray whatsoever. Hooray Halliburton!

  63. Loundry:

    pssst. [*In a whisper*] Brian24 was making fun of your one-size-fits-all view of progressives. He basically took your shallow definition of progressives and applied the same shallowness to conservatives. The point is that defining progressives as you have is no more instructive than defining conservatives as he did.

  64. Weigel, I like your work, but you’re kinda out of touch with the kids.

    “Gay” (sometimes spelled “ghey” by net-usingkids who like using it but don’t want to sound homophobic or get filtered) is a schoolyard taunt that can be argued to have some meaning besides homophobia. “Faggot” is not.

    Coulter’s been a screeching fuckwit since at least the 90s. That Team Red folks are finally distancing themselves from her is some credit to them.

  65. Shorter Loundry:

    Ann Who?

    I guess she ends up down the memory hole with Tom Delay, Jack Abrarmoff, and the Bush Pioneers at Enron.

    Never heard of ’em. Any of ’em.

  66. Loundry,

    I don’t think Brian was saying that. I think he was dismissing both extremes.

    I just thought of another great word.

    Quixotic.

    Who’s excited?? Champion League Tuesday. Liverpool Barcelona…..game on!!!

  67. “Who’s excited?? Champion League Tuesday. Liverpool Barcelona…..game on!!!”

    no. The only possible worse combination would be ManU. Fucking hate all of those teams. Inter, too. They all can just … just… [choking sound of evil laughter]

  68. After its all said and done, and fair number of us from North Carolina don’t know or care if Edwards is gay or not. The available facts indicate that he is not nor every have been gay. That being said, some of us really dislike faggot lawyers. Even the one that are not gay. What really pisses us off are gay faggots. Like I said… homosexuals don’t bother us that much as long as they keep to them selfs… its the faggot Queens that act Queer that … oh never mind.

  69. Coulter’s been a screeching fuckwit since at least the 90s.

    Actually, Ann Coulter & the Screeching Fuckwits broke up in 1989, and didn’t re-form for the reunion tour until 2002. I just caught the “Behind the Music” on VH1.

    Like I said… homosexuals don’t bother us that much as long as they keep to them selfs… its the faggot Queens that act Queer that … oh never mind.

    On the other hand, The Faggot Queens That Act Queer are the longest running act in the history of show biz.

  70. High#!

    Yes – we just saw that one! How they had a shooting-star-like rise to stardom, how it fell apart because of personal squabbles, artistic differences, and drug and alcohol abuse. Then they tried to reconcile, but eventually left for solo careers.

    The Fuckwits pulled a Limahl or a Susanna Hoffs, while Ms Coulter became a veritable Annie Lennox and launched a successful solo career.

  71. On the other hand, The Faggot Queens That Act Queer are the longest running act in the history of show biz.
    If by chance you are speaking of Queen, I aggree with you. Loved their songs but could not stand to see them perform.

  72. VM,

    What was most shocking to me was how Ann C’s propensity for anonymous anal sex really cheesed off her bandmates.

    By the way, Anonymous Anal Sex was their best album.

  73. If by chance you are speaking of Queen, I aggree with you. Loved their songs but could not stand to see them perform.

    I have no idea what you are talking about.

  74. On the other hand, The Faggot Queens That Act Queer are the longest running act in the history of show biz.

    And I was the first to interview them, although at the time they were working under the stage name “The Aristocrats.”

  75. School yard taunt? Well okay. Let’s go ahead and get to it. Coulter really does look like a Tranie. I think her name use to be Andy—before the operation. She definitely needs to work on the estrogen doses because that he/she is starting to look more like a he every day. I wonder how many book publishers she fucked to get published were surprised to see her dick was used to make her hoo-hoo.

    Hey, she’s on to something. This is fun.

  76. I don’t care what anyone says; “impactful” is not a word.

  77. If a broad looking like Ann Coulter showed up at an LP convention, most of the guys would drool all over her.

  78. I don’t think Brian was saying that. I think he was dismissing both extremes.

    I was criticizing Brian’s reflexive response to bash Bush/neocons at any moment that someone says something critical about “progressives”. My stepfather used to do it all the time. Any time I would say anything bad about a liberal, he would pipe up with “But Bush did “. And I’d have to reply, “I don’t support Bush.” It took him about 100 repetitions of that exercise to break out of the “nuance”.

    And that’s exactly what Brian did: I criticized “progressives”, so to his little liberal mind, I must therefore be a Bush-worshipping neocon. He then chose to show off some of that “progressive” sophistication with a search-and-replace of “progressive” with neocon.

    The problem with his reply is twofold: 1) He didn’t reply to my statement that “progressives” believe that all problems can be solved through talking. I stand by this statement. 2) His search-and-replace doesn’t make sense as fighting can’t reasonably be interpreted as weakness, primarily considering the prime enemy of the neocons: mujahedin. 3) His search-and-replace doesn’t make sense because the neocons have NOT chosen to always fight, as my sardonic reply was intended to show. They’ve chosen to dump gobs and gobs of American treasure into the shithole of Iraq in a patronizing and ridiculous nation-building exercise. How that is supposed to qualify as “fighting” is beyond me.

    Lamar, I hope that also answers your point. I have not given a “one size fits all” view of “progressives”. I have stated and maintain that “progressives” think that all problems can be solved through talking, and that fighting is a sign of a failure to solve problems non-violently. This is a “progressive” value, is it not? Please tell me if I’ve pegged “progressives” wrong, and they think that there are some problems that must be solved through fighting and killing.

  79. Make that threefold, not twofold. I thought of a third problem and forgot to edit.

  80. “Please tell me if I’ve pegged “progressives” wrong, and they think that there are some problems that must be solved through fighting and killing.”

    Only slightly wrong. When will progressives support war?
    (1) When America is attacked. Most progressives supported the US removal of the Taliban. If actual ground forces invaded America, I suspect they would be even more in favor of military action. Of course, the left always wants to talk about proportionality (a point in your favor), but Progressives aren’t doves when it comes to attacks on the homeland.

    (2) Many progressives would support military action in Darfur. I really don’t know this for sure, but hell, at least it gives me a second counterexample, even if it is a bit iffy.

    (3) Any military action supported by Bill Clinton (though emphatically NOT Hilary Clinton).

    Many problems can be fixed by talking, and those that can’t aren’t exacerbated by talking. The key is that when the talking breaks down, and the military action commences, what form does that military action take?

    I advocate a Powell doctrine variant where you don’t go to war except in the most dire circumstances. When you decide to go to war, you blow that country up beyond recognition. Obviously, you can’t do this if you don’t have the moral high road (i.e., Iraq). Progressives tend to want to micromanage even the military actions they would be in favor of.

  81. Coulter’s almost right about the word ‘faggot’. You can use it like ‘gay’ as a schoolyard taunt, like if your friend is drinking Cherry Coke instead of regular Coke. Nixon sometimes used the hilarious term ‘faggoty’.

    But you don’t use the word ‘faggot’ jocularly in front of a bunch of real-live homophobic Republicans. That’s just catering to fuckheads.

  82. Yeah, that BASTION of right-wing thought, Time magazine. You really showed me there.

    Once again: I want statistics. Or a sandwich. I’m partial to tuna-melts, myself.

  83. The is the secret reason they hated Clinton so much, even though he was more or less a moderate Republican. His cartoonish heterosexuality made it impossible for teh gay to stick to him.

    Yeah… but you just knew Hilary was “dining at the Y”!

  84. The conservatism that Ann Coulter preaches is the antithesis of libertarianism. She’s a pro-war, “pro-family” nutjob who is more concerned about killing Muslims and spreading Jesus than she is spreading freedom and liberty.

    When Ann Coulter is speaking out against no-knock raids, the drug war, surveillance cameras on every corner, Communications Decency Act-style censorship and USA PATRIOT Act-style infringements of civil liberties, then perhaps I’ll care. Until then, she represents the wrong part of the right.

  85. Don’t forget: Reason Happy Hour at the Dragonfly, Thursday.

    Say the magic words “blood diamonds” and Weigel will buy you a beer. I predict great things ahead for that young man …

  86. “If a broad looking like Ann Coulter showed up at an LP convention, most of the guys would drool all over her.”

    That’s just because of the plastic teeth they wear with their Klingon costumes.

  87. “If a broad looking like Ann Coulter showed up at an LP convention, most of the guys would drool all over her.”

    ‘That’s just because of the plastic teeth they wear with their Klingon costumes.’

    Yuu knu, that joke is like suu yesterday, man.

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