Royal With Cheese

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Prince Charles finally gives a little something to the beleagured reporters assigned to cover him, blurting out his desire to ban McDonald's.

Charles, a strong advocate of organic food, was touring the Imperial College London Diabetes Centre in Abu Dhabi with the Duchess of Cornwall.

He asked nutritionist Nadine Tayara: "Have you got anywhere with McDonald's, have you tried getting it banned? That's the key."

Royal observers said that Charles would have been aware that his comments would be picked by the media.

"He knew there was a reporter there and this is a subject close to his heart," said one source.

Question: Why is this "the key?" Long before Ray Kroc's leviathan slithered onto Charles' shores, Britons had some of the worst dietary habits on the planet. They breakfasted on a mound of saturated fats—black pudding, sausages, the rest of the "fry-up." They drank heavy, liver-mutilating beers. They ate seafood and potatoes fried in enough oil to power a retrofitted Aston Martin. The chief evolution of British food in the last few decades was the mainstreaming of Indian cuisine, carbohydrates and barely-legal meats slathered in creamy sauces. Oh, and then there are the British hamburger chains which predate the franchising of McDonalds.

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  1. I can’t speak for Chuck but I think that usually in this sort of context “McDonald’s” is used as a general stand-in for the junk food industry moreso than specifically as a reference to the actual company.

  2. He’s a Royal, which means that he’s a distant ancestor of a bunch of barbarian chiefs that destroyed western civilization and gave a thousand year long dark age. Who cares what this useless, inbred moron thinks about anything.

  3. Great being lectured on diet by the fattest people on the planet…

  4. I agree Robespierre, except that Chuck is a descendant, not an ancestor. Still, there must a working guillotine somewhere…

  5. Robespierre–

    I have no love for the sad twit, either, but your facts are entirely wrong.

    The so-called barbarians created Western Civilization, and royals are no more inbred than most people. It’s just that their inbreeding is better documented.

  6. Awesome title!

  7. …and now I’m hungry for vindaloo.

  8. Hearing some idiot in Europe rail against fast food makes me realize that they got the same shit over there that they got over here, they just call it by different names.

  9. Let them eat organically raised tofu!

  10. Great being lectured on diet by the fattest people on the planet…

    You apparently didn’t get the news. Pacific Islanders are the fattest people on earth.

    Link Here: http://www.stuff.co.nz/3970684a10.html

    U.K. is way down on the list…well behind the U.S.

  11. Seeing as Prince Douchebag was in Abu Dhabi at a diabetes center, you’d think he would know that banning McDonald’s would simply shift everything to the other major fast food chains there: Hardee’s, Popeye’s, KFC, Subway, etc.

    In fact, it’s those middle two (especially KFC) that get the bulk of business on a typical night. But, as with most things, it’s the parents (or the Filipina nannies) who allow their kids to eat whatever the fuck they want that is the problem.

    The locals think that because they have money they need to display the spending of it. There’s also the cultural tendency to believe that girth = wealth (much like in medieval times), so conspicuous gorging is not shunned.

    Add to that the Arab sweet tooth (many of their sweets are so loaded with sugar/honey/etc. that they make our sweets taste bland), and you have a recipe for diabetes explosion.

  12. Weigel, that was an excellent post.

  13. He’s just shilling for Burger King.

  14. Meh, McDonalds sucks.

  15. Timon19,

    When I say “We need to get rid of Bush,” I’m saying:

    A. We should replace him with another Republican president, or

    B. We should not elect Republican presidents.

  16. Royal With Toe Cheese would have been even better.

  17. When YOU’RE saying it, the answer is plain to see.

    When Chuck says “Have you got anywhere with McDonald’s, have you tried getting it banned? That’s the key.”, the answer seems similarly clear.

    Hint: had he said “things like” somewhere in there, and “them” instead of “it”, you might have a point.

  18. Timon19,

    When I say “We need to get rid of Bush,” I’m saying:

    A. We should replace him with another Republican president, or

    B. We should not elect Republican presidents.

    Whoa, joe, this comment has given me a bad case of whiplash. Did I miss something in a previous thread?

    I scanned Timon’s previous comments and I saw nothing in them about President Bush. Or any US president, for that matter. This thread is about His Highness Prince Inbred Wanker and McDonald’s; are you so obsessed with W that you connect everything to him?

    For someone who yesterday accused me of throwing out non sequiturs, this is rich.

  19. Everyone has to chase some ghost. Our unattractive, uptight jerkwad chases teh evil global warming. The UK’s chases teh evil hamburglar.

  20. Chasing ghosts is the aristocracy’s way of showing the common folk that they really care about something other than themselves.

  21. Captain Holly et al:

    Will you people PLEASE ignore joe? He takes every freaking topic off-course and tries to bring attention to himself. Say it with me:

    He
    is
    a
    troll

    Just ignore his comments, or find a filter that will allow you to block his posts.

  22. Robespierre,

    I’m quite fond of classical history, society, etc., indeed some think too fond, but I will be the first to tell you that the political entities of the classical world were just as barbaric as any barbarian. Indeed, ask a Dacian about it some time. Oh, that’s right, you can’t, since via the Roman Empire’s efforts they were (eventually) wiped out as an independent entity. See, the Dacians, like the Gauls before them, possessed a large gold mining industry.

    If you want a graphic illustration of the slaughter (it bordered on genocide) see Trajan’s column.

  23. Timon 19 (and Captain Holly, too, I guess),

    Charlie has been on an anti-fast food public health kick for sometime. It’s not a grievance against McDonald’s itself, but fast food in general.

  24. Silly analysis, Dave. If it were 1940 and Charles somehow held the same views he does now, he’d be agitating against all those examples of craptacular British cuisine you mention. It just happens that in 2007 McDonalds is the worst offender and the most appropriate target of Charles’s campaign. The issue of whether his campaign is at all worthy is an entirely separate one which must be argued for or against on its own merits.

  25. Goiter,

    Funny how other people can grasp ideas in my comments, and even consider and discuss them, while all you see is “joe wrote something I don’t like.”

    I don’t think your contribution to the thread says very much about me, but it says a great deal about you.

  26. If you want a graphic illustration of the slaughter (it bordered on genocide) see Trajan’s column.

    What newspaper or magazine does this Trajan fellow write for?

  27. Meh, McDonalds sucks.

    Seriously. One thing about McDonalds owned restaurants, it seems like they go out of their way to make their food unhealthy. Take Chipotle, for example. A vegetarian burrito has like 40 grams of fat and 1,000 calories. VEGETARIAN!! It’s like they looked at the prototype, figured it was way too healthy, and had to find a way to cram more fat and calories in there. What’s up with that?

  28. Of course, it’s not like I go to fast food joints and expect to find health food, but still.

  29. People are generally well aware of the choices that they have re: food. However, they often choose to exercise those choices in ways that some people don’t like.

  30. Right now, hundreds or thousands of people are reading this, saying to themselves, “Wow. The prince said what I’ve always said. Great minds think alike!”

    The urge to rule is widespread. These same people then go forth on voting day. Perhaps we should ban voting, which many people take as carte blanche to lord it over their neighbors.

  31. D.A. Ridgely,

    The Campania Gazette.

  32. “Grotius | February 28, 2007, 11:26am | #
    People are generally well aware of the choices that they have re: food. However, they often choose to exercise those choices in ways that some people don’t like.”

    You just said a mouthful! It’s exactly the “exercising of choices in ways others don’t like/approve (of)” where we see tensions that libertarianism seeks to alleviate.

    Succoring the afflicted, if you will!

    It’s just that fast food is such a great target for smugness, even libertarian smugness.

    [country club lockjaw] oh I nevah eat fast food [/ccl]

    🙂

  33. White Castle predated Wimpy’s, and can you get more royal than a castle?

  34. D.A. Ridgely,

    He also did some freelance work for the Hispania Times. 😉

  35. Grotius,

    That’s a pretty good rule of thumb, but Seitz makes a good point. “Most people” make the decision to buy McDonald’s food based on the health effects of eating an actual hamburger and some actual french fries. Mickey Dee’s food, however, is a lot less healthy than the non-McDonald’s, real-world version. They go out of their way to introduce extra fat, sugar, and salt into their recipes, beyond what a person reasonably understands that particular food item to contain.

    Ever see what goes into their “shakes?”

  36. I love Chipolte; I even like the weird half-Aztec /half-industrial decor.

    James A. Merritt,

    I don’t think we have to worry about McDonald’s in particular or fast food in general being banned; those places are way too popular, people would not stand for it. Of course, I also thought Bush or the Supreme Court was going to stop McCain-Feingold…

  37. Grotius,

    You will be amused that I did actually have to Google “Trajan’s column” to, um, refresh my memory. (Yeah. That’s right! That’s the ticket!) Even better, though, was the following, irony oblivious sentence I found in the article I clicked:

    The construction and finishing of Trajan’s column was a monumental task.

  38. Sorry, I’m just taken by the idea of Trajan as a newspaper columnist. That would make for an interesting novel.

  39. Madpad, according to that link over 74% of the US population is obese. I don’t recall ever having read a number that high before. The CDC number is about 22%, with about 65% being either overweight (BMI 25-30) or obese (BMI 30+).

    I realize that the CDC and WHO are two different sources, but I can’t see why there would be such a disparity in the data.

  40. “Obese” is like “poor,” a useful category, the usefullness of which is limited by the fact that everyone disagrees where the line between “obese” and “not obese” is to be drawn.

  41. D.A. Ridgely,

    Well, the war against Dacia paid for a lot of public monuments, etc. in Rome. Just as the sacking of Jerusalem during the 1st century CE paid for the Colisseum (amongst other things).

    But now I am way off topic!

  42. When did Vegetarian become synonymous with Low Calorie? My eggplant parm and my vegetarian lasagna will fatten you up in no time.

  43. “mitch | February 28, 2007, 11:44am | #
    “Obese” is like “poor,” a useful category, the usefullness of which is limited by the fact that everyone disagrees where the line between “obese” and “not obese” is to be drawn.

    Grotius | February 28, 2007, 11:47am | #
    D.A. Ridgely,

    Well, the war against Dacia paid for a lot of public monuments, etc. in Rome. Just as the sacking of Jerusalem during the 1st century CE paid for the Colisseum (amongst other things).

    But now I am way off topic!

    MP | February 28, 2007, 11:48am | #
    When did Vegetarian become synonymous with Low Calorie? My eggplant parm and my vegetarian lasagna will fatten you up in no time.”

    One of these posts is not like the other 🙂

  44. They go out of their way to introduce extra fat, sugar, and salt into their recipes, beyond what a person reasonably understands that particular food item to contain.

    Ever see what goes into their “shakes?”

    Oh yeah…the intent was clearly there…clearly. Ever stop to think that they simply didn’t give a crap about calories when they invented things like their shakes? They cared about three things:

    1) Efficiency
    2) Reproducibility
    3) Yumminess

  45. joe,

    How would it compare to the sodium content (to take one variable) in say a frozen dinner or a can of soup?

  46. MP: You owe me a new keyboard. The thought of eggplant parm this close to lunch…

  47. Maybe the WHO is comparing Americans to Ethiopians. . .

  48. I don’t get the deal over sodium content. Besides contributing to high blood pressure and causing a person to retain more water, what is so bad about having a lot of it in your diet? Anyone? Bueller?

  49. smacky,

    Blondes and those who play the cello will never understand the dangers of sodium! 😉

  50. VM: You are a gentleman and a scholar.

  51. VM might not win first place at the internet (that’s Stevo Darkly’s role) but he definitely medals.

  52. What does the crown prince think of foie gras?

  53. MP,

    “Ever stop to think that they simply didn’t give a crap about calories when they invented things like their shakes?” No, that’s really something I’ve need to “stop to think” about. It’s rather obvious, isn’t it?

    Grotius,

    “How would it compare to the sodium content (to take one variable) in say a frozen dinner or a can of soup?” I suppose it would depend, though they are pretty high in sodium, too.

  54. Sorry, I’m just taken by the idea of Trajan as a newspaper columnist. That would make for an interesting novel.

    Indeed, with Messalina as Deep Throat.

    Sorry, were you guys talking about food?

  55. God save the Queen
    The fascist regime
    they made you a moron…

    made a lot of people on this side of the pond a moron, too. I’m glad we’re 6 years behind their police state.

  56. Gray Ghost,

    That link is dead.

  57. Long live the link!

  58. I realize that the CDC and WHO are two different sources, but I can’t see why there would be such a disparity in the data.

    Can’t explain it, there tijjer.

  59. If you get a hankering for a burger in London, hit an American fast food chain.
    Avoid a British burger at all costs!

    McDonald’s sucks, you say? Nuts to you!
    Sure, I prefer Portillo’s or Culver’s or any of those premium burger chains, but McDonald’s does what McDonald’s does very well.

    Full disclosure: I own a few shares of MCD

  60. VM,

    Yes, mine is clearly the most brilliant of the bunch. 🙂

  61. joe,

    “Charlie has been on an anti-fast food public health kick for sometime. It’s not a grievance against McDonald’s itself, but fast food in general.”

    If that’s so, then why did he explicitly avoid framing it that way, to the implied exclusion of worse places like Hardee’s (home of the Six-Dollar Burger line [different names in different countries])?

    In fact, if he’s been on a general anti-fast food crusade for years, one would think he’d AVOID clearly singling out only one offender.

  62. Grr. Didn’t think I could screw up Ctr-C, Ctr-V.

    Ahh, I see. Blog software can’t handle percentage sign characters.

    Let’s try this instead…

    4th para down should be a blurb on who she was. I can’t seem to find a classical source for her contest with Scylla, other than the I, Claudius play.

    On burgers, no one’s being forced to eat McDonalds, are they? And I would think that the general knowledge that—while they aren’t the healthiest thing ever—they aren’t hazardous for you would preclude regulation, we all know that the slippery slope is alive and well in public health. Particularly in the knife-fearing U.K.

    As Lamar said, wake me when Chuck comes out against fois gras.

  63. Timon 19,

    For the same reasons Wal Mart gets singled out by…well, by a whole host of activists. They’re the biggest, best-known target.

  64. Gray Ghost,

    One of the problems with understanding women in the classical world is that we generally lack sources written by them. We do have roadside markers about them (“Paulina was an awesome woman who lived up to Roman values.”) as well as comments by Roman men about women. For example I wanna say that Pliny the Younger wrote about his wife learning enough to understand what a cool guy he was.

  65. “Ever stop to think that they simply didn’t give a crap about calories when they invented things like their shakes?” No, that’s really something I’ve need to “stop to think” about. It’s rather obvious, isn’t it?

    You would think it is obvious. Yet you accused them of intentionally adding high caloric ingredients as a matter of policy.

    They go out of their way to introduce extra fat, sugar, and salt into their recipes, beyond what a person reasonably understands that particular food item to contain.

    They don’t “go out of their way”. They have a clear objective, and their recipes reflect that.

  66. They go out of their way to introduce extra fat, sugar, and salt into their recipes, beyond what a person reasonably understands that particular food item to contain.

    I fail to see how this sentence is compatible with anything other than state control of recipes and diet.

  67. joe,

    I think you’re suggesting that McDonald’s is so huge, that it has ceased being a name brand and is now (mis)used as a standard noun, much like Kleenex (or rather, “kleenex”).

    But if that’s the case, even your WalMart example doesn’t work.

  68. Grotius,
    I could never bring myself to eat a burger where there was so much yummy Mexican food around.
    Isn’t it a pity? A burger I’ll never try.

  69. One of the problems with understanding women in the classical world is that we generally lack sources written by them. We do have roadside markers about them (“Paulina was an awesome woman who lived up to Roman values.”) as well as comments by Roman men about women.

    True, but a story as notorious as her contest you’d think would be repeated either by Suetonius for its trashiness or Juvenal to buttress his points about corruption.

  70. MP,

    “You would think it is obvious. Yet you accused them of intentionally adding high caloric ingredients as a matter of policy.”

    The two are not remotely contradictory. They intentionally added hich caloric ingredients as a matter of policy, and didn’t give a crap, because doing so made the food do better in the taste tests. I never claimed that they added high-calorie ingredients for the sheer joy of raising the calorie count!

    R C,

    “I fail to see how this sentence is compatible with anything other than state control of recipes and diet.” Yes, I know you do. You should get over that – it’s a real intellectual shortcoming that you consistently judge theh truth and value of a statement by its ideological implications. Bin Laden as a Saddam ally, anyone?

  71. The two are not remotely contradictory. They intentionally added hich caloric ingredients as a matter of policy, and didn’t give a crap, because doing so made the food do better in the taste tests. I never claimed that they added high-calorie ingredients for the sheer joy of raising the calorie count!

    The problem I still have with your statement is a matter of implied intent. If you were to state “They intentionally added ingredients, some of which happened to be highly caloric, as a matter of policy…”, then I wouldn’t take issue with your comments.

  72. Further aside, isn’t the Internet a kick in the ass? I went to a public high school, which means the closest exposure I got to Juvenal was when the guy next to me in 3rd period got yanked out of class for dealing acid.

    And yet, in trying to figure out a source for some dimly remembered story of a Roman gangbang, I’m able to find a full-text translation of Juvenal’s Satires, a 17th Century operetta, and Suetonius’s writings—with criticism and commentary—at the snap of my fingers. Absolutely amazing.

    Returning to Weigel’s topic, where is the “best” hamburger that y’all have had? I’ll give a plug in Houston to Guy’s Meat Market (11AM until they’re gone, to-go only) and Rudyard’s Pub if you want to sit and enjoy.

    They intentionally added hich caloric ingredients as a matter of policy, and didn’t give a crap, because doing so made the food do better in the taste tests.

    Again, provided McDonalds discloses what’s in their burgers (and for me, that’s even a negotiable point), who cares if they added calories or not? If you know the damn thing has 1500 calories, and eat it anyway, why is McDonalds the bad guy for you getting fat? Are we claiming an addiction here, like cigarettes?

  73. “They intentionally added hich caloric ingredients as a matter of policy, and didn’t give a crap, because doing so made the food do better in the taste tests.”

    OH NOES! NOT MORE CALORIES FOR THE SAKE OF MAKING THINGS TASTE BETTER!

    My God, the horror.

  74. MP,

    Ah, but the ingredients didn’t “happen to be” high in fat, salt, and sugar. The fact that they were high in fat, salt, and sugar is what made them useful additives.

    Grotius,

    “If you know the damn thing has 1500 calories, and eat it anyway, why is McDonalds the bad guy for you getting fat?” I thought I explained this pretty clearly in my 11:33 post.

    mediageek,

    Easy there big fella.

  75. Gray Ghost,

    You always have to take a lot of the bitching with a grain of salt. In a lot of ways the Rome of the emporers was a significant improvement on the Rome of the republic. Indeed, a lot of the comments on corruption, “bread and circuses,” etc. are quite clearly partly hyperbole.

    joe,

    I didn’t write that “1500 calories” remark.

  76. Uh, Joe, dude, I’m not quite sure how to put this, so I’m just going to post it outright:

    In my last post, I was mocking you.

  77. Returning to Weigel’s topic, where is the “best” hamburger that y’all have had?

    Call me crazy, but I absolutely love Carl’s Jr. Since we don’t have them here in Maryland, whenever I am near a Carl’s I have to get a burger.

  78. highnumber,

    When I lived in Guanajuato one of my favorite dishes was pollo con mole.

  79. I can’t believe no one has mentioned this, but as a homebrewer:

    English beers (Browns, Milds, Old Ales, IPAs, Bitters) are generally lower in alcohol than their German counterparts, both of which are soft drinks compared to Belgian beer. You can mock the Brits’ crappy food all you like, but their beer is THE reason to drink beer. Most English beers are neither heavy or liver-mutilating, and those that are aren’t the beverages of the common people.

    So there.

  80. thoreau,

    Have any Hardee’s? Same same.

  81. mediageek,

    Ditto. I was trying to draw you out, into a complete thought. Hey, a guy can hope.

    GRotius,

    Oops. Grey Ghost, “If you know the damn thing has 1500 calories, and eat it anyway, why is McDonalds the bad guy for you getting fat?” I thought I explained this pretty clearly in my 11:33 post.

  82. Best burger: organic free range ground beef, grilled at home. Grilled. No Mom-burgers.

  83. OK, joe, I can see how a McDonald’s burger might contain far more sugar, fat, and whatnot than an uninformed person might expect. But if they put the info out there, via pamphlets, websites, etc., and if concerned citizens of various stripes (journalists, activists, documentarians, and whatnot) put the info out there in the media, at some point the “How would anybody know?” excuse wears thin.

  84. Not sure what a Mom-burger is, but I’ll take a burger made from elk.

    Organic, free-range, and much better flavor than beef.

    In the words of the delectably cute Rachael Ray “Yum-O!”

  85. mediageek,

    Ostrich is pretty good.

  86. I had an Ostrich burger once, but I suspect it was far too overdone. The meat was dry and tough.

    I’d give it another shot if the opportunity arose, though.

  87. thoreau,

    I’m not putting it out there as an excuse.

    Just putting the information out there. As you suggest, making their practices widely know is the appropriate action to take.

    I had an elk burger a couple of weeks ago, mediageek! Yummy. Although I imagine it would make a tough steak, ground up it was quite flavorful.

  88. Yeah, joe, but at this point I think everybody pretty much knows that fast food is packed with way more calories than any sane person would consume on a regular basis. Well, kids might not know that, but adults (i.e. parents) certainly should know that fast food is a sometimes food.

    So what’s your point?

  89. thoreau,

    I disagree. I don’t think most people realize that the crap McDonald’s sells is any different nutritionally than its real-world analogue. How many people figure a shake = milk, ice cream, and flavoring?

    A veggie burritto at 1500 calories? C’mon, that’s ridiculous. No normal person is going to read “veggie burritto” and assume it contains half a day’s worth of calories.

  90. Hey Thoureau, about this post, I knew you’d dig it the most.

  91. 1 lb ground beef
    2 Anaheim peppers
    2 cloves garlic
    1/4 of an onion
    1-2 oz Maker’s Mark
    Oatmeal or bread crumbs to bind

    Finely chop peppers, garlic and onion. Allow to soak in liquor at room temperature for 10-20 minutes. Pour that over the meat, work it around until it’s evenly distributed throughout. Add enough of whatever you’re using to bind the patties (I like oatmeal), and work together into 2-4 balls which can be shaped into patty’s.

    Grill
    Place on bun with fixings.
    DEVOUR!

  92. That should be “shaped into patties.”

    I r smurt.

  93. I’ve got a friend who says McDonald’s shoves food down his throat with their advertising. Yep, he’s a retard.

  94. This all makes sense. Prince Charles wants homeopathy to be a major part of the national health care system; and to cover up how useless homeopathy is he needs to make sure not a single person eats a single unhealthy thing ever.

  95. Best burger:
    Goldyburgers
    Forest Park, IL
    Est sometime prior to prohibition
    Dankest little place around. I love everything about it.
    Go for the Goldymelt.

  96. PAUL!!! I am nott. Noh. My teacher sayz I’m special. That’s why the skuul is named for me.

    Special Ed.

  97. A veggie burritto at 1500 calories? C’mon, that’s ridiculous. No normal person is going to read “veggie burritto” and assume it contains half a day’s worth of calories.

    It weighs one pound. No one should be surprised that one pound of rice and beans and cheese is 1,000+ calories.

    And way to add 400 calories from thin air, joe.

  98. Eh…the only Prince worth paying any attentiont to stands about 5’6″ and is way fond of purple.

  99. “You would think it is obvious. Yet you accused them of intentionally adding high caloric ingredients as a matter of policy.”

    The two are not remotely contradictory. They intentionally added hich caloric ingredients as a matter of policy, and didn’t give a crap, because doing so made the food do better in the taste tests. I never claimed that they added high-calorie ingredients for the sheer joy of raising the calorie count!

    This isn’t a point to expend a lot of energy on, but just for the naughty joy of it, I’d like to remind joe he said that MacDonald’s “went out of their way” to add fat and sugar to their food, implying that it was not in pursuit of a legitimate business goal, but for the sheer malevolent deviltry of it.

    You wouldn’t have said that MacDonald’s “went out of their way” to make their food low-cost, efficient to serve, and tasty to their customers.

  100. “I fail to see how this sentence is compatible with anything other than state control of recipes and diet.”

    oh c’mon. i know it’s joe, and you guys are like spy v spy and all, but c’mon. CMON.

    i can say “mcdonalds makes awful fucking food that is shitty for you and boy do they suck” and not mean anything other than “man, people shouldn’t eat that shit.”

  101. also the best burgers are my own. a bit of soy sauce, garlic and rosemary mixed into the meat. de-fucking-licious.

  102. You take ground beef, soy sauce, garlic, and a bit of teriyaki sauce, mix them, form patties, grill the burger. Then serve with a grilled pineapple ring and teriyaki sauce.

  103. Someday I’d like to try this: A quarter-pound burger topped with bleu cheese, bacon, and a filet mignon.

  104. Ever see what goes into their “shakes?”

    Milk and soft-serve ice cream.

    You really want to ban something based on something your sister’s cousin’s former roommate hard about on the radio once?

  105. heard* obviously in that last post

  106. thoreau,

    Look at it this way: any sane person in American knows that there is a restaurant chain called “McDonald’s” that sells these items called “burgers,” “fries,” and “McNuggets.” They’ve probably seen numerous McDonald’s in their daily lives. In short, the information is already availabe.

    And yet, McDonald’s spends millions of dollars telling people about this information, which is already available. Why? Because they want their information to be well-known and memorable, not just available, to increase the chances that larger numbers of people will incorporate this knowledge into the decisions, and behave the way McDonald’s wants them to.

  107. Stevo,

    Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much energy expended on a po-mo studies-level close reading of the phrase “…goes out of their way.” Ooh, I used “phrase” instead of “term.” What does that mean?

    dagny,

    “Milk and soft-serve ice cream.” Not when I worked there.

  108. Prince Charles would have no problem with McDonald’s if only they used Grey Poupon.

  109. dagny,

    “Milk and soft-serve ice cream.” Not when I worked there.

    Vanilla Reduced Fat Ice Cream: Milk, sugar, cream, nonfat milk solids, corn syrup solids, mono- and diglycerides, guar gum, dextrose, sodium citrate, artificial vanilla flavor, sodium phosphate, carrageenan, disodium phosphate, cellulose gum, vitamin A palmitate. CONTAINS: MILK. Vanilla Syrup: Corn syrup, water, natural flavor (plant source), caramel color, citric acid, pectin, sodium benzoate (preservative), yellow 5, yellow 6.

    From McD’s themselves

  110. I should add that the 12oz (small) shake contains 420kcal of which 90 are derived from fat.

    This compares favorably with an “all natural” ice cream like Breyer’s Natural Vanilla (Ingredients: MILK, CREAM, SUGAR, NATURAL FLAVOR, NATURAL TARA GUM). At 8oz of icecream (say the other 4oz in the shake is lower calorie/fat milk) the Breyers would contain 280kcal of which 120 are from fat. In other words, the McDonald’s shake contains more sugars(hence more kcal) but much less fat, all of which is saturated fat BTW.

  111. Stevo Darkly,

    A burger with foie gras is really good.

  112. Gro:

    Foie Gras would make vegemite tasty 🙂

    p.s., please keep reminding anybody else from Chicagoland about our idiot (and now, newly-re-elected) Aldermen who voted to ban F.G from here! (grrrr)

  113. Then again, foie gras goes with most things. 🙂

  114. Kwix,

    I haven’t worked there since the early 1990s. McDonald’s made a rather big deal when they changed the ingredients in the shakes.

  115. I should say, when they changed the ingredients in their shakes in response to public pressure.

  116. My name iz shake-zula
    The mic-rulah
    The old schoolah
    Ya wanna trip,
    I’ll bring it to ya

  117. This bullshit of trying to make the “royal” family relevant is simply too sickening to comprehend. If you saw “The Queen” you know that Elizabeth is the last royal that can possibly have any (grudging) respect from me. And that is only because of her connection to George VI and the family’s great performance during WWII. The rest of them are a bunch of jerk offs. And, I am going to eat at McDonalds tonight even if it kills my fat ass.

  118. “To me, life without veal stock, pork fat, sausage, organ meat, demi-glace, or even stinky cheese is a life not worth living.” – Anthony Bourdain, Kitchen Confidential, pg. 70

  119. VM,
    Didn’t we get good news?
    I know Natarus lost, and I think Stone has to face a runoff.
    Aren’t they the two biggest pricks? (I mean as far as telling me what I can eat.)

    The foie gras ban ain’t so bad so far in reality.
    I think more restaurants have started serving since the ban took effect. It’s a badge of honor for them to post the warnings to stop serving it. I don’t see what case the city would have. After all, they’re not selling foie gras. They’re giving it away with $15 salads.
    Problem, of course, is that the city council could change the wording of the law and put some teeth in it, and then we’d have problems.

  120. High#:

    Stone does? Cool.

    Yeah – the one chef who was on Iron Chef recently got busted for the $15 salad. My favorite restaurant, Allen’s Cafe (allenscafe.com) is following the rules, but Chef Allen is working via the legal route.

    We could distract the council, “Look! Baby Graft!” and they’d be a runnin!

  121. “I haven’t worked there since the early 1990s. “

    Joe, how old are you? (Preparing to have to change my mental image…)

  122. mediageek,

    I cast my first vote for Tsongas in the 92 primary.

    So, did you think I was an aging hippie or a sophmore?

  123. And come to think of it, I worked at Mickey Dee’s in the late 80s.

  124. This bullshit of trying to make the “royal” family relevant is simply too sickening to comprehend.

    The last “relevant” British royal was George III. Despite his reputation on this side of the lake, he is considered one of the better British monarchs, doing much to rescue Britain from the mismanagement of the two preceding Georges. He was the last British monarch to exercise any significant degree of real power.

    Since then, the royals have been transformed into highly paid performance artists.

  125. so what was the shake shakeup about? (i was a bit too young to remember the late 80s with great detail or clarity.)

  126. High#:

    Moore (49) was the worst one WRT Big Box and Foie G. laws. 🙂 He’s facing a runoff April 17th

    To quote one of his opponents:

    ‘ “We don’t have stores to shop at here, we still have crime problems, our affordable housing is disappearing and this guy is introducing legislation for ducks,” said Gordon’

    cliky

    woo hoo!

  127. “So, did you think I was an aging hippie or a sophmore?”

    Neither.

    Always sort of had a mental picture of a middle-aged guy who wears a tweed sport coat with patches on the elbows.

    Maybe with a bow tie.

  128. VM,
    Did you notice that the video on the side of the Trib web page about the runoffs? I’m talking about the one with Natarus thanking his supporters.
    Who does he look like there?
    I’m thinking of a couple of people morphed into one. Do you know what two people I’m thinking of?

  129. High#:

    I didn’t – my web filter turned all of that to a bunch of hyperlinks. Will seek it out!

  130. I’ll end the suspense.
    He looks like Gov. George Ryan dressed up in a Michael Moore Costume.

  131. For the burger-curious, here’s a video about Dyer’s in Memphis, famous for deep frying its burgers, legend having it that the grease hasn’t been changed since 1912:

    http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid340430154

    Best line: “Have you had your vitamin G today? The G stands for grease.”

  132. Not that it matters much, but I’ll never get to use this information anywhere again, at least until Elizabeth II dies, by which time I’ll have forgotten.

    I once counted Charles’ great-great-great grandparents (the Queen Victoria level.) Of the 32 positions, 12 were the same two people, George III and his wife. Adding in George II reduced the count by another six. So, Charles has only about half the ancestors he’s supposed to have. That might explain his behavior.

  133. Cheeseburgers at Boston Blackies in Chicago, one of the best burgers anywhere. About half a pound of meaty, cheddary, sauteed onion goodness — Jesus ti**y-f***ing Christ is it good.

  134. Thanks for the rest. recommendations and thanks thoreau and timothy for the recipes.

  135. Ever see what goes into their “shakes?”

    Lots of liquor, over many years?

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