Kentucky Fried Criminals

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I think Mark Fuhrman's career resurrection as a non-racist legal eagle took a little dent on Hannity and Colmes last night. He was discussing O.J. Simpson's truly weird new book and launched into a monologue on what makes a sociopath.

Sean, I'm going to tell you this right now. I dealt with people like this for 20 years. They will get up every day. They will kill somebody and go have some chicken at KFC. You will catch them eating chicken and drinking a beer after they just murdered three people. Sean, these people are out there. They're all over the place.

They're all over the place! Them and their dark skin!

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  1. I think you’re reading a bit much into his choice of restaurant.

  2. Yeah. If he had said Popeye’s Chicken, I might have agreed with you.

  3. Well, at least they don’t go to McDonalds…

  4. In addition to being a racist, it is clear that Mark Fuhrman is an enemy of public health. KFC has ceased the use of transfats, and it is where any health conscious multiple murder would go.

  5. I cannot read Mark Fuhrman’s mind, but his mouth is surely his worst enemy.

  6. “multiple murderer”

  7. I read that tracked a shift in the homicide unit of the Baltimore PD for a year (thus making me an expert).

    Many murderers showed a marked lack of remorse or respect for human life. Such people would kill someone and then go do something casual as if nothing had happened.

    Interestingly enough, the police would split cases into two categories “whodunnits” and “dunkers”. The former were the cases wherein an investigation was called for, where there was a puzzle to solve. the dunkers tended to be cases where you could follow the blood-trail to the perpertrator who had not even bothered to clean the bloody knife next to him.

    The “dunkers” tended to be done by people who really did not consider murder a big deal.

    Amusing exchange from the book:

    “What broke the case was when X finally admitted Y”

    “No, what broke the case was when we found the body in [the murderer]’s basement!”

  8. The first sentence should have started off with “I read a book that…”

  9. You’d think he’s know enough to stay away from a fried chicken remark. It’s not as though this is the first time he’s wandered into the same minefield.

  10. Is it the person who says “fried chicken” or the person who interprets it as a racist phrase that is the racist?

  11. This is why we need to get KFC to start using trans fats again, so we can slowly kill all these cold-blodded murderers who are “all over the place.” Why hire so many cops to track them down when we can just clog all their arteries at once?

  12. Racist? Well, if he referenced watermelon then, yeah, of course. But chicken, at KFC, that’s a stretch.

    Btw, do they serve beer at KFC?

  13. shadesofgrey,

    Is it the person who talks about big-nosed, scheming bankers the anti-semite, or is it the person who realizes he’s heard that before who’s the antisemite?

    You know what? It’s the person who talks about big-nosed, scheming bankers. Duh.

  14. Realizing that racists use certain terminology when referring to black people doesn’t make you a racist. Why are we supposed to pretend not to realize that racists make jokes about fried chicken?

  15. what is “big-nosed, scheming bankers” in reference too?

  16. I followed the very educational O.J. case pretty closely, because I was in law school (working for a judge, as well) during the whole mess. Fuhrman’s racism seemed pretty apparent from the various tapes and other evidence. As a not-so-nice cop, I was surprised that he had a post-trial life. Kind of like my surprise that Oliver North was treated as a hero after violating his oath to uphold the Constitution and stuff.

    Anyway, if it weren’t for Fuhrman’s previous history, I’d say this was nothing. Heck, I eat at KFC on occasion (much more when I was younger), and I’m not black. Or a racist, either. Nor, while we’re at it, have I ever been fat.

    joe, I don’t think the remark on its own is racist. I think the remark being made by a known racist makes it racist. Though there is the cryptic beer at KFC remark. What the heck is that about?

  17. shadesofgray, it is not racist to observe that the preference for fried chicken is a well known stereotype of black people. Of all possible fast food joints, it’s telling he chose one with fried chicken in the name, suggesting he may subconsciously view such sociopathic monsters as all being black. I laughed at first, but now that I have to explain it, it’s just sad. Obviously, it’s not conclusive proof of anything, just maybe a little bit revealing.

  18. I never understood that sterotype. Who, in their right mind, doesn’t like fried chicken?

  19. When I lived in Columbus, Ohio, I recall talking to two women who worked with me–both black and from the South–about southern cuisine. Our memories of the food we ate as kids sounded pretty similar–fried everything, cornbread, etc. The “fried chicken” stereotype has got to be a northern invention, because it wouldn’t occur to even racist southerners to use it in that sense. . .’cause they were eating the same thing.

    To use joe’s Jewish analogy, it’s like the Nazis issuing propaganda about people eating sauerkraut being traitorous bastards. See? It doesn’t work when everyone’s doing it.

  20. What I don’t get is putting fried chicken on a waffle, then pouring syrup on it. I saw Alton Brown do this once and was shocked. Why ruin a perfectly good piece of chicken, not to mention a waffle?

  21. ah come on, it’s not like he said they were eating watermelon.

    Truth is, that Pro is right. Southern cooking is fabulous and everybody is eating the same thing. And dying young as a result.

    One of the oddest culinary disconnects I came across was fried chicken prepared by a chick that had just immigrated here from Taiwan by way of Japan. Her fried chicken may as well have been cooked by Mrs TWC’s granny in Arkansas. I asked about that and Ms Taiwan told me that’s how she learned to cook it growing up in the mountainous farm country of Taiwan.

  22. Furman may be a racist (I hope he is, because it makes me feel so good and superior to call someone else a racist), but I am not sure this quote proves it.

  23. I think I read somewhere KFC has had an easy time expanding into China because fried chicken is not an alien concept there. Whereas pizza and burgers are oddities.

  24. Besides, that ain’t fried chicken they’re serving at KFC.

  25. Jeff P, that’s probably just one more example of Really Gross Southern Food, a local culinary subcategory we try to keep quiet about. I never got the “fried chicken and watermelon are racist” thing either, having grown up eating those things all the time. Still, there are some Southern dishes that should never have been invented. My grandmother liked to make boiled white rice and put sugar on it, a dish which even describing makes me slightly nauseated. There’s also the habit of boiling all vegetables into gray mush. Blecch.

  26. Jeff P.,

    Odd. Alton has good southern antecedents (he’s a Georgian, though corrupted by years in California), but I’ve never heard of such a thing. And I share your disgust and confusion. Still, I’m a huge fan of Good Eats, and he’s usually right. Someday, I’m going to make a smoker out of a cardboard box, too πŸ™‚

    TWC,

    My elderly relatives (grandparents and great aunts and uncles) all ate fried everything with double meat most of their lives. Even the good stuff like green beans included liberal amounts of pork fat (Disclaimer: I still eat green beans that way). However, most of them lived into their late 80s or 90s. I attribute that to (1) good genes (or so I hope!) and (2) being very active. I think you can get away with eating a lot of crap so long as you keep moving.

    To sum up, fried anything is good, barbecue anything is better, pork fat rules, grits and polenta are good and the same thing, and cornbread is ambrosia. Y’all are making me hungry πŸ™‚

  27. shades of gray says : Is it the person who says “fried chicken” or the person who interprets it as a racist phrase that is the racist?

    Exactly. Amen to that.

  28. I never understood that sterotype. Who, in their right mind, doesn’t like fried chicken?

    No one but Nazis, that’s who. I’m a vegetarian and this whole thread has me desperately craving some KFC.

  29. Iron Lungfish,

    Yes, give in to the Fried Side of the Force. You want the drumstick, don’t you? I can feel it.

  30. joe says: Is it the person who talks about big-nosed, scheming bankers the anti-semite, or is it the person who realizes he’s heard that before who’s the antisemite?

    You know what? It’s the person who talks about big-nosed, scheming bankers. Duh.

    Big-nosed , scheming are pejorative terms. Are you arguing that fried chicken is a pejorative term (item)?

  31. I agree with those who say that this specific comment of Fuhrman’s wasn’t racist; he was simply pointing out the callousness of someone who treats murder as a casual thing.

    Also, if we’re discussing Southern foods I’d like to point out that grits does not deserve the bad reputation it has. I make cheese grits out of coarse yellow cornmeal, milk and sharp cheddar; it is delicious and you can fry the leftovers next morning. Mmmmmm.

    Instant grits is terrible, however. You have to make it the old-fashioned way.

  32. Pro, I’m gonna tell you what………..

    Pork is, indubitably, the best. You Southerners and the Hawaiians have that nailed. Best way to ruin a good pork roast is to make it a ham, but throw that thing over some hickory (we use mesquite) coals and cook it with some Eastern Carolina sauce until it falls apart……….

    I believe you are correct about moving around. Exercise is important. I think there is also something to be said for eating real food as compared to commercially prepared cardboard food.

    I don’t know how to cook those beans, and like Karen, I hate mushy veggies, but my in-laws, including Mrs TWC, can make those green beans with bacon or backfat and a little pepper, man, I can eat those til the cows come home.

  33. Cheeky Man: Oh shut up, Big-nose.

    Big-nose: Ooh! Right! I warned you…I really will slug you so hard…

    Cheeky Man: Listen, I’m only telling the truth…you have got a very big nose.

    Big-nose: (trying desperately to control his anger)
    *Your* nose is going to be three foot wide across your face when I’ve finished with you.

    Cheeky Man: Who hit yours then? Goliath’s big brother?

  34. shades of gray says : Is it the person who says “fried chicken” or the person who interprets it as a racist phrase that is the racist?

    Come on – the idea that recognizing a racial stereotype is the same as agreeing with it is pretty silly.

  35. The Wine Commonsewer,

    Procure fresh beans. My preference is for pole beans, but that’s not strictly required.
    Snap and remove the strings
    Rinse.
    In a large pot (with a cover), start cooking some bacon or equivalent hunk of pork fat–just enough to get some grease on the bottom of the pot.
    Place the beans in the pot with just a little bit or water–maybe halfway to the top of the beans.
    Bring to a boil, then reduce to simmer for about an hour.

    You can season with salt, pepper, butter, olive oil, even sugar–it’s up to you. My mom adds a little sugar, but I don’t. I usually just add lots of fresh-ground black pepper. I find the beans are best with some cornbread cooked in an iron skillet. Oh, yeah.

    Hey, I tried to do an bulleted list, but it didn’t work. That’s an unimprovement over the old site πŸ™

  36. Sean, I’m going to tell you this right now. I dealt with people like this for 20 years. They will get up every day. They will kill somebody and go have some chicken at KFC. You will catch them eating chicken and drinking a beer after they just murdered three people. Sean, these people are out there. They’re all over the place.

    You have to be a really cold bastard to enjoy finger lickin’ good chicken with blood on your hands.

  37. “You have to be a really cold bastard to enjoy finger lickin’ good chicken with blood on your hands.”

    I don’t know, maybe its a little like BBQ sauce.

  38. The “fried chicken” stereotype has got to be a northern invention, because it wouldn’t occur to even racist southerners to use it in that sense.

    We didn’t get a big migration of white southerners like we did of black southerners, so yes, it is probably a stereotype promulgated by northern racists.

  39. I believe it was Louis Armstrong who sang:

    I’ll be glad when you’re dead, you rascal, you!
    Oh, you rascal, you!
    Boy, I brought you into my home;
    You wouldn’t leave my wife alone;
    I’ll be glad when you’re dead, you rascal, you.

    Now, I’ll be glad when you’re dead, you rascal, you!
    I’ll be tickled to death when you leave this earth, you dog!
    Hmmm, I took you for my friend,
    The way you bit me in the back was a sin;
    You ain’t no good, you rascal, you!

    As I said before,
    I’ll be glad when you’re dead, you rascal, you! Hmm, yea-ee-yea, you rascal, you!
    Boy, when you’re laying six feet deep,
    No more fried chicken will you eat;
    Aw, you dog, I know that’ll break your heart, ha, ha, ha, ha!
    Boy! Boy, what is it that you’ve got
    That makes my wife think you’re hot?
    Oh, you dog, you ain’t no good. Naw!

    You bought my wife a bottle of Coca Cola,
    So you could play on her victrola;
    Ha, you dog! Yes, sir!

  40. Satchmo was a racist? Whoa.

  41. Dan T says: Come on – the idea that recognizing a racial stereotype is the same as agreeing with it is pretty silly.

    I agree completely , however : doesn’t ‘recognizing’ the stereotype facilite the perpetuation of it?

  42. TWC and Pro L: Great recipe for green beans, but may I suggest that you can use chicken broth instead of water to simmer ’em? It adds an amazing bit of flavor.

    Also, let me add to that activity thing. My grandmother, she of the noxious sweetened rice, lived to be 97 years old, and lived on the classic fried-in-pork-fat diet for most of those years. She and my grandfather ran a dairy, and didn’t have electricity or gas until she was past 40. In fact, my mother ( born when her mother was 38) remembers when they got power and how happy she was never to smell coal oil lamps again.

    Grandmother Doris used to make biscuits for me which she fried in bacon fat and rolled in melted butter and cinnamon sugar. Also fried apple pies made with biscuit dough crust. My mouth waters with the memory.

  43. This is got to be the dumbest Reason post ever. Mark Furhman actually said “Fried Chicken on TV”, the racist bastard!!

    Wine Conosewer,

    If you think the southerners and Haiwaiians do pork well, you should see what Cubans do with it. Get the roast pork at a real Cuban restaurant sometime. It is pure roasted sin.

  44. Karen,

    Biscuits and sausage gravy. Yum. My great aunt is a fried pie expert, too.

    John,

    Cuban roast pork is awesome (I know people with sour orange trees in their yards–solely there for use in mojo). As is pork prepared in the Northern Alabama barbecue style. I could never join a religion that prevented me from eating pigs, that’s for sure.

    What was this thread about again? πŸ˜‰

  45. Pro Lib,

    “joe, I don’t think the remark on its own is racist. I think the remark being made by a known racist makes it racist.”

    I don’t think the remark on its own in ractist. I think the remark being made a known racist is probably not racist either, but it certainl is stupid.

  46. David and Joe,

    You have to be kidding. He mentions KFC and that proves he’s thinking of dark skin??

    a) That is ridiculous.
    b) You both (should) know that.

    He may be a racist, but you have to do a lot better than this.

  47. Frankly i think all that verbal exchange did was make Alan Colmes look like an idiot… Oh wait, he is an idiot

  48. What was this thread about again? πŸ˜‰

    Sharing recipes, of course. Just for you all, here is my best Thanksgiving recipe, good with pork, so as to connect it to the thread, however tenously, and all forms of poultry:

    Dried Cherry Chutney

    2 cups dried cherries
    about 1.5 cups port or sherry
    1/2 tsp. allspice
    1/2 tsp cloves
    1 tsp. cumin
    pepper and kosher salt to taste
    1 or 2 shallots, finely chopped, and, if you like, one clove garlic
    olive oil
    two tablespoons of one of the following: cherry, peach or apricot preserves

    Soak cherries in wine for one hour

    In a saucepan, heat olive oil and saute shallots until clear. Add cherries and wine, spices, and preserves. Cook until thickened, usually about fifteen minutes.

  49. Blacks make up less than 15% of the U.S. population and account for about 40% of the prison population. Is it racist to say that? Or are they 40% of the prison population because racists put them there?

    Discuss.

  50. Karen,

    You left out the part where you fry the chutney πŸ™‚ Incidentally, I’m told that the “fry everything” philosophy comes straight from Scotland. My relatives with the most “Southerness” are of Scottish descent, so I buy that.

    joe,

    I agree. If I were Fuhrman, a guy who might as well wear a t-shirt that says, “I Hate Black People”, I’d be really careful about saying anything even close to a racist remark. Almost anyone else says what he says, no big deal. He says it, and a long thread ensues (truly the most important measure of an event’s sociological importance).

  51. I thought Fuhrman was from LA. Shouldn’t he have said “yo quero Taco Bell”? *

    * I just want to threadjack to get some yummy Mexican recipes.

  52. The stereotype of southern foods like fried chicken, watermelon, and chitlins as “black food” evolved in the North because most of the people who moved from the south to the industrial north were black.

    doubled,

    “Big-nosed , scheming are pejorative terms. Are you arguing that fried chicken is a pejorative term (item)?”

    Not all stereotypes are pejorative. Some of them could actually be considered complimentary, if removed from their history. The stereotypes of Jews as smart, or black people as good dancers, for example.

    “I agree completely , however : doesn’t ‘recognizing’ the stereotype facilite the perpetuation of it?” I don’t know, doubled. When you recognize that a political activist is using Marxist code words, does that facilitate the perpetuation of Marxism?

    kohlrabi,

    Bad timing.

  53. This honkey had KFC last night.

    I shared it with some Mexicans.

  54. Oh John you are so right about Cuban pork….with fried plantains. Mmmmmmmmmmm.

    Every so often Mrs TWC has to go off to the big city for work or to meet her friends. She invariably brings me back a bucket of Cuban food from Versailles in LA. If you ever get to LA, you got to eat there.

  55. Joe,

    πŸ™‚

    Fair enough, I’ll mentally omit you in my previous post. DW is still on the hook, though.

  56. Maybe Reason should add a recipie page.

    I agree with TWC. KFC is NOT fried chicken.

  57. Karen, thanks for the memories and the recipe(s)

  58. TWC, you’re very welcome. Hope you enjoy it.

    Oh, and Aresen’s right. We do need a recipe thread, what with Thanksgiving being next week and all.

  59. Who, in their right mind, doesn’t like fried chicken?

    being a lifelong vegetarian, i don’t have an emu in this race, but that would be the last thing i’d ever try if i were to jump the fence. every time someone tastes something disgusting (snake, rat, possum…), they invariably say, “tastes just like chicken!” no way i’m gonna put that in my mouth.

  60. “Is it the person who talks about [walking around with black hats and long forelocks] the anti-semite, or is it the person who realizes he’s heard that before who’s the antisemite? You know what? It’s the person who talks about [Orthodox Environmentalists… walking around with black hats and long forelocks]. Duh.” – joe

    Or about “Desi Arnaz” and “nancy-boys.”
    The fact that you’ve posted things that are more apparently racist than what Fuhrman said about KFC, would make you piling on Fuhrman seem unintentionally funny. I’m just sayin’…

    Before you flip out, joe, I’m not calling you a racist… as much fun as it is to watch you flip out.

    But there’s more evidence that you’re a racist (tho you’re not) in old posts on HNR than there is from one KFC comment by (noted racist) Fuhrman.

    In other words, it’s a good thing that you’re just sayin’ that “I don’t think the remark on its own in ractist. I think the remark being made a known racist is probably not racist either, but it certainl is stupid.”

  61. WC,

    If you are ever in Key West, FLA. There is a Cuban restaurant there that has the best pork I have ever tasted in my life. I forget the name of it, but ask any local “where can you get good Cuban food here” and they will point you to this place. And yes they have fried pantains too.

  62. The Wine Commonsewer,

    Cuban food in Louisiana???? No. Tampa. You should have some yucca and black beans to go with your pork and plantains, as well. With a nice mojito or two.

    Karen,

    What kind of dressing/stuffing do you do? We’re an oyster dressing family.

    Here’s the way to have a recipe thread: What is the most libertarian of foods (or, at least, cuisines)? Be prepared to defend your suggestions πŸ™‚

  63. In other news, I’ll probably be sent to Hell for poking joe with a pointy stick too often.

  64. John,

    Fair enough. Miami and the surrounding region has Cuban food, too. I guess.

  65. Pro L, we do sausage and cornbread dressing, cooked separately from the turkey. We mostly do smoked turkey, so stuffing isn’t really an option. Oyster dressing has always sounded really good, but since we live far inland in Texas, it’s not really an option. The little darlings are too tired and thin by the time they make it up this far. πŸ™

  66. edna – Nah, snake tastes nothing like chicken. It’s more like a very meaty fish. So if you ever feel like jumping the fence, snake is there for you. πŸ™‚

  67. Karen & PL

    Try adding either diced apple or diced pineapple to your dressing/stuffing.

  68. you are all wrong. Furhman is an Islamophobe.

    He was referring to people who blow up KFCs and kill three people!

    http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/1274

  69. that’s not exactly a compelling argument! πŸ˜‰

  70. Karen,

    Yes, I’ve sampled a sausage dressing before. Quite good.

    Aresen,

    I’m dubious about your fruit suggestion, but I’ll try anything. . .except God-forsaken sea urchin.

  71. There’s nothing wrong with liking fried chicken and watermelon.

    If you don’t like fried chicken and watermelon there’s something wrong with you!

  72. Give it up, rob. Nobody’s buying it.

  73. Funny, I just had an office Thanksgiving. I made the dressing.

    (Seperate from the turkey it’s dressing. in the turkey it’s stuffing.)

    Co-workers requested the recipe. The yankee ones anyway. So for your thanksgiving pleasure…

    Mississippi Cornbread Dressin’

    Four Morrison’s Corn Kits (any cornbread mix works, but Morrison’s is the best)
    5 cans of chicken broth.
    4 stalks of celery
    2 medium onions
    6 eggs
    6 hard boiled eggs (optional)
    Salt
    Pepper
    Ground sage

    Make two pans of cornbread. Two packs of corn kits per pan. Bake according to directions and place to the side.

    Dice the celery and onions. Boil them in 4 cans of broth until they are clear. Save the other can for later if needed.

    Break up the cornbread in a large pan. Mix in the six, slightly beaten, eggs. Stir it around.

    Add the broth, celery and onions and mix it up good. (now is the time to add the chopped boiled eggs, mushrooms, oysters, crawfish, sausage or anything else you feel like.)

    Here’s the tricky part. You want the mix to be wet, but not too soupy. The corn bread will soak up the broth as it bakes, so you want to have plenty in there to make sure the dressing is moist. Use the extra can of broth and add what you need. I like to add just enough so that you are starting to get little pools of it in the mix. Remember wet, but not soupy.

    Add salt, pepper and ground sage to taste. Careful with the sage, it’s easy to over do it. You want just a hint. Also, if you’ve added crawfish or something else salty keep that in mind as you season.

    Bake at 350 until the whole top of the dressing is golden brown. Usually about 30-45 min. Best to just eyeball it

    Dig In.

  74. You know what? It’s the person who talks about big-nosed, scheming bankers. Duh.

    So I must have missed the part where Fuhrman referred, not just to fried chicken, but to thick-lipped, frizzy-haired eaters of fried chicken, huh?

    No? He didn’t actually say that? then why don’t you try again and just ask: Is it the person who says “banker” or the person who interprets it as an anti-semitic expression who’s an anti-semite. Comes off a little different, doesn’t it?

  75. I think the real question is is it racist to observe that menthol cigarettes are primarily popular with blacks? (speaking of US consumption patterns only)

  76. White southerners, most of whom love fried chicken, should be offended. White folks should be able to have a beer at KFC after a murder as well!

    Fry that chicken!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGrqW3nx5HM

  77. “Give it up, rob. Nobody’s buying it.” – joe

    Relax, man, I’m not selling anything.

    The bad news (for you) is that your insensitive and hurtful comments are still available, right here on HNR… so don’t act like I’m the only one who pointed it out.

    I wasn’t even the guy who originally pointed it out – it was a guy named kevrob. And even Jesse Walker (in a moment of uncustomary weakness, no doubt) took a shot at your expense.

    Sorry to bring up your “youthful mistakes,” but it makes me chuckle every time I see you roll in on someone like Kinky Friedman or even Fuhrman. That fundamental failure of self-awareness is the kind of thing that great comedy is made of!

  78. Seamus,

    “No? He didn’t actually say that? then why don’t you try again and just ask: Is it the person who says “banker” or the person who interprets it as an anti-semitic expression who’s an anti-semite.”

    It would depend on the context, wouldn’t it?

    “I ran into my banker today at lunch”

    vs.

    “The clannish, secretive bankers are scheming together to” blah blah blah.

    It would also depend on the speaker.

    In this case, Mark Effing Fuhrman, when discussing the behavior of criminals, and in reference to the OJ Simpson case, was talking about criminal sociopaths murdering people and then eating fried chicken.

  79. Mm-hmm, whatever you say.

  80. What if he said eating fried chicken and watermellon while drinking malt liquer?

  81. John, I think the place is Jose’s, or some other guy’s name. I remember that the whole family was employed there. Great porkl! And who’s boils green beans without a chopped onion?

  82. Jeff P:
    Rosco’s Chicken and Waffles is an L.A. establishment. I never had a chicken waffle during my twenty years in the South.

  83. He could be a racist, and I’ve seen a number of quotes that would suggest he is. …but I wouldn’t cite this comment as evidence.

    According to wikipedia, he’s brazenly used the “n” word in the past and, allegedly, claimed that he dragged black gang members into an alley and “beat the shit out of them.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Fuhrman

    If that doesn’t stop people from seeing him as a non-racist legal eagle… …then how does talking about people eating fried chicken add anything? Who notices a dent on a totaled car?

    Where I came from, by the way, an awful lot of white people ate an awful lot of fried chicken.

  84. What a crock.

    I watched the show. He did not mention skin color, in fact, he made it CLEAR he was refering to murderers and such.

    So if you want to make this a racial thing, fine, but one person out here knows you are as full of shit as is LA Times columnist Erin Aubry Kaplan, whose columns can’t go a full paragraph without telling us how whitie is always holding down black folk.

  85. Mark,

    We all realize that Fuhrman was referring to murders, not to black people.

    The point is, people with racist ideas tend to characterize objectively bad people, like murderers, in racial terms, often without even intending to do so.

    It’s similar to the way some people, when attempting to imitate a stupid person, lapse into a Southern or “country” accent. No, they aren’t talking about people from the South, they’re talking about stupid people, but in a way that makes it clear what they think about the South.

    Whether Fuhrman was doing that is certainly debateable, but with his history, it isn’t wholly indefensible to suspect that he was.

  86. “I make cheese grits out of coarse yellow cornmeal, milk and sharp cheddar; it is delicious and you can fry the leftovers next morning. Mmmmmm”

    You are so right! Add a little hot sauce and you’ll be eating them the way they do in heaven.

  87. “The point is, people with racist ideas tend to characterize objectively bad people, like murderers, in racial terms, often without even intending to do so.”

    Then you agree that Erin Aubry Kaplan is a racist?

    http://www.latimes.com/news/columnists/la-columnist-ekaplan,1,766202.columnist?coll=la-news-columns

  88. “John, I think the place is Jose’s, or some other guy’s name. I remember that the whole family was employed there. Great porkl! And who’s boils green beans without a chopped onion?”

    I see. The restauant is named after a person. That should narrow the search.

  89. The Secret Diner,

    He did specify a male name. And it’s probably a Hispanic one. Juan? Alejandro? Jesus? Carlos? Guillermo? Roberto? Ricardo?

  90. Pro, exactly. It was almost ten years ago. The restaurant was ten blocks or so from the touristy part of town, and I remember red and white checkerboard vinyl table cloths. The women had big boobs and the food was great.

  91. Could it Inigo Montoya’s?
    Great shish kebab.

  92. Google confirms my impeccable long term memory, Jose’s cantina. Now what were we talking about?

  93. be! dammit! be!
    Insert that mf’er.

  94. As long as we’re talking about food and killers, I feel it is only appropriate to repost this from another thread:

    High Fructose Corn Syrup | November 17, 2006, 5:22pm | #
    I KILL BECAUSE I LIKE TO KILL!

  95. James Ard,

    That would be women with big boobs, covered in high fructose corn syrup.

  96. I guarantee Jose boils his red beans with onions so why would anyone boil green beans without them?

  97. I’m satisfied with bacon, beans, and water. I submit to no man when it comes to my green beans!

  98. I don’t judge people by the color of their skin.

    I judge them by the size of their nostrils.

  99. Where the white women at?

  100. no way i’m gonna put that in my mouth.

    Sounds like my old lady…..

  101. Pro, Not LA. LA (Los Angeles).

    John, had some Cuban food in Miami. Mmmm.

  102. I’ve never actually written down this Sausage Stuffing recipe but if you have an intuitive sense for cooking you can make it work.

    Dice an apple or two
    Dice two onions
    Dice some celery
    Dice some walnuts or almonds

    saute the onions & celery with 1/4 lb butter

    fry up a pound of good sausage, crumbled like if you were making taco meat from ground hamburger (Jimmy Dean sage works as good as any)

    Throw in some fresh thyme and some fresh sage chopped into teeny tiny pieces.

    mix it all up in a big bowl with bread crumbs, a little milk, and some eggs to hold it together. Maybe 3 or 4 eggs.

    Put it in a l lb bread loaf pan, preferably glass and bake it for an hour or so at 325. You might want to grease the pan.

    Should come out brown on top, tender in the middle. It is much firmer than if you bake it in the bird.

  103. Rosco’s Chicken and Waffles is an L.A. establishment.

    Indeed, as immortalized in Tapeheads:

    Come to Roscoe’s for delicious food,
    We got fuel for your attitude,
    We got the baddest waffle and cluck,
    And you get good value for your buck.

    Living in Oakland makes chicken & waffles easy to come by. They’re mighty tasty but for special occasions only. It’s a sweet+salty thing.

  104. ‘Big-nose’

    Oh goody, a Monty Python thread…

    “I’m a Red Sea pedestrian…and PROUD OF IT!” – Brian of Nazereth

  105. The Wine Commonsewer | November 17, 2006, 6:22pm | #

    Hey man, you stole my recipe. Only I occasionally add some shrimp or bay scallops. Oh, and sometimes brown rice or wild rice, or sometimes a combination of both…

    Oh, wait a minute mine’s completely different, sorry.

  106. Detailed descriptions of fried chicken and other delectable dishes . . . ohhhhhh ohhhh . . .

    Oops, now I have to go wash my hands.

    That’s better.

    I’m wondering if Furman was thinking of specific individuals who went to KFC after committing murders? If so, what were their races? I mean, assuming this was an important enough topic to research in depth, which is isn’t.

  107. Mark,

    I don’t know who that is, and I’m not regestering for that libertoid-hiring rag in Los Angeles. πŸ˜‰

  108. You b******s.

    All those wonderful recipes & now I’ve got to eat leftover renuked lasagna.

    May the bird of paradise pee in your drinks.

  109. Sorry about the outburst.

    As Dan T would put it “the contradiction between the condition of the proletariat [= my dinner] and the bourgeoisie [= what you guys were describing]” just hit me.

  110. every time someone tastes something disgusting (snake, rat, possum…), they invariably say, “tastes just like chicken!”

    Hey! Snake and rat are both delicious. Snake especially, though.

  111. “I ran into my banker today at lunch”

    vs.

    “The clannish, secretive bankers are scheming together to” blah blah blah.

    In the latter case, my first thought would be that the speaker was talking about David Rockefeller and his fellow Trilaterialists. I take it you’d immediately assume he was talking about The Jooooooz. Interesting . . . .

  112. Where did this silly idea that fried chicken is a “black thing” even come from? Where I’m from at least, just about everyone likes fried chicken.

  113. Seamus,

    The idea that someone could grow to adulthood in this country with so little exposure to anti-semitism that the could think “David Rockefeller and his fellow Trilaterialists” when hearing the phrase “The clannish, secretive bankers are scheming together” is genuinely heartening to me.

    But I haven’t been so fortunately sheltered. I’ve had the opportunity to hear anti-semites. I’ve had a room mate tell me that “Someday, real Americans are going to rise up agains the niggers, and the queers, and the Jews, and the people like YOU!” while poking his finger at my chest.

    So let me explain something to you: if you hear somebody talking about “scheming, clannish bankers,” he isn’t referring to the Rockefellars. If you hear somebody who consistently singles out the Rothschilds or Golman-Sachs when discussing international finance, that’s not a coincidence.

    And if you hear a disgraced ex-cop who left the force shortly after it came out that he has a history of racial slurs and violence using the term “fried chicken” when discussing criminals, you should definitely get a differenct impression than if he had used the term “cheeseburgers.”

  114. cartman,

    This has been explained before, but; when the Great Migration happened – the large migration of black Americans from the rural south to the urban north that occurred mostly in the first third of the 20th century – it was the first large-scale immigration of people from the south into northern cities. Because the Great Migration was an overwhelming black phenomoneon, a lot of northerners came to believe that the notable cultural practices the newcomers engaged in, including their cuisine, were distinctly African-American, when in many cases, they were examples of southern culture.

  115. Where did this silly idea that fried chicken is a “black thing” even come from?

    Where’d this idea that beans are a Mexican thing, or that rice is an Asian thing come from?

    The answer? Stupid people.

  116. joe – When are you going to learn that some of the things you say might be taken as evidence of your own racism? I say this as a guy who doesn’t think you’re a racist – tho I give you a bad time about it.

    Also, I hope you snatched the guy who poked you in the chest by the offending digit and make him say “Uncle” – because he DEFINITELY had it coming.

  117. rob,

    When someone who isn’t a loonie, desperately reaching to land a glove on me, who hasn’t already destroyed his reputation with laughable accusations of racism, suggests such a thing.

  118. Does Jesse Walker know you’re dissing him like that, joe?

    Like I said, I don’t think you’re a racist, I think you’re just the opposite, but I do find humor in the fact that even someone as desperately PC as you can find himself in a bind on this stuff.

  119. I’ve never found myself remotely close to a bind on this stuff, rob, as much you like to flatter yourself otherwise.

    Your problem, like a lot of conservatives, is that you genuinely can’t tell the difference between a racist statement, and an innocent statement that references an issue like race or ethnicity. They genuinely sound the same to you.

  120. “I’ve never found myself remotely close to a bind on this stuff, rob, as much you like to flatter yourself otherwise.” – joe

    No, you’ve just never realized that anyone could see something in a way other than the way you see it. You’re basically tone-deaf to your own voice.

    “Your problem, like a lot of conservatives, is that you genuinely can’t tell the difference between a racist statement, and an innocent statement that references an issue like race or ethnicity. They genuinely sound the same to you.” – joe

    1) I’m not a conservative – stop trying to pigeonhole me into your binary universe.

    2) Believe me, I can tell the difference. I wonder if it’s the tone-deafness I cited earlier that leads to your “well-intentioned statements” before “hilarity ensues.”

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