When Islamo-Fascist Just Won't Do

Try Islamo-Nazi! Michael Medved, the world's most offended movie critic, does!

Check out this graf of Medved's recent upchuck over former Bush faith-baser David Kuo and his new book Tempting Faith:

The political struggles of the moment really do matter -- to defend our beloved country from the very real horrors of Islamo-Nazi terror, to protect the institution of marriage from irrevocable alteration, to save some of the millions of babies lost each year to abortion, to defeat the madness of multiculturalism and to affirm the importance of one nation, under God, indivisible. When compared to the consequences of defeat in these battles (a defeat that Kuo seems to crave and recommend) his obsession with faith-based anti-poverty initiatives seems petty, almost childish.

Forget that Kuo's dog-bites-man book -- Bush political operatives do not take evangelicals seriously. And? -- deserved the slap, does Medved really believe Osama is studying runes from pre-Christian Europe? I demand that Medved stop writing screechy columns and reviewing movies he hates and complete the book that will show all the links that Medved has established between National Socialism in Germany and the worldwide Islamic terror movement.

That would be a great read. Better movie, even.

Update: I'm reminded that Nick Gillespie noted the initial Medvedian deployment of Islamo-Nazi back in July at Wonkette.

Comments

[joe]

"...to defeat the madness of multiculturalism and to affirm the importance of one nation, under God, indivisible..."

A writer who thinks it's impossible for people of different cultures to live among each other in unity, and who thinks that it is inevitable for different cultures to end up at war with one another, are in no position to call anyone a Nazi.

Spare me the "ein volk" crap. Some of us can actually get along in a culturally diverse society, Mike.

[de stijl]

Oy! The stupid, it stings!

[de stijl]

"...his obsession with faith-based anti-poverty initiatives seems petty, almost childish."

Jesus wept.

[dhex]

man, if only pundits battled to the death rather than wrote stuff.

how awesome a land would that be? we could drug test the politicians while watching medved and some left wing turkey cut each other with razor blades.

that's the america i want.

[W E White]

wanting to establish a totalitarian state and kill all the jews doesn't qualify as nazi like behavior anymore? in a world where george bush and ariel sharon can be called nazi's, using the term for islamists don't seem much of a stretch.

[Mr. F. Le Mur]

Spare me the "ein volk" crap. Some of us can actually get along in a culturally diverse society, Mike.

And then again, many others can't:

http://www.sbsun.com/search/ci_4503998
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In the aftermath of Friday's riot at Fontana High School, many students and witnesses said the violence was rooted in long-standing racial tensions between blacks and Latinos in the area.

Although law-enforcement officials have stopped short of attributing the 90-minute melee that involved roughly 500 students to a racial divide, many experts on ethnic relations contend that the riot is indicative of a much broader problem.

"The tension between blacks and Latinos is not new, but it's a recent phenomenon," said Armando Navarro, professor of ethnic studies at UC Riverside.

"This has been the pattern in L.A. County in the past few years, and now it's reached this area. From the late 1990s to (the) present, this conflict has manifested in high schools and in prisons, and as demographics begin to favor Latinos, it'll foster more antagonism and increased violence."
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'Multiculturalism' is very obviously total bullshit for most people on this planet.

[dhex]

high school fighting = most

where most is defined as "a hallucination"

and high school is defined as "parties and bullshit"

[Mr. F. Le Mur]

wanting to establish a totalitarian state and kill all the jews doesn't qualify as nazi like behavior anymore?
Not if your one of those poor, pitiful 'n' helpless 'brown people' that liberals love to fawn over and take care of.

in a world where george bush and ariel sharon can be called nazi's, using the term for islamists don't seem much of a stretch.
It's an appropriate variant of 'fascist.' FWIW, the dictionary definition of 'fascist' is completely appropriate for Muslims if you just change 'state' to 'religion.'

The coverage of the Muslim taxi-drivers points out some other similarities: in places where Muslims have more of a presence (i.e. England), they're refusing to carry alcohol amd drunks, disabled people and homosexuals. So far they're still dealing with Jews (apparently), but that list is quite similar to the lists of undesirables made up by .... take a guess.

[dhex]

hey dude in brooklyn there are jews who preach seperatism from the vile gentiles and won't even shake womens' hands.

[Mustafa Shag]

Ugghh, I guess it's necessary to point out the obvious: there are alternatives to racism/separatism and multiculturalism, it's not like they're the only two options out there. I'm all for cultural diversity, but I don't see it as a necessary ideal, and I'm sure as hell no cultural relativist. Gotta love that Taliban culture, after all.

[Mad Max]

I think "multiculturalism," as used both by its supporters and its opponents (like Medved), tends to connote not just people of different backgrounds living together, but an element of compulsory togetherness as well as denigration of Western culture (the only culture which, apparently, doesn't get respected under the reign of "multiculturalism").

Thus, a multi-ethnic community in the U. S. which is unapologetically based on Western values and where America and its history are glorified, would not qualify as "multicultural."

That's the multiculturalism which Medved seems to be criticizing.

[highnumber]

This seems obvious to me, but I will state it as plainly as I can for the denser folks in the room:
The USA is and always has been multi-cultural.
Really. You can look it up.

[bigbigslacker]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EvAiXBzOeHg

Islamo-Nazis practicing for invasion of France and Poland.

[dhex]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY1bWLedNro

they're already here.

[shecky]

man, if only pundits battled to the death rather than wrote stuff.

how awesome a land would that be? we could drug test the politicians while watching medved and some left wing turkey cut each other with razor blades.

Is it just me, or does it seem lately that left wing turkeys are perfectly content to sit on the sidelines quietly and let the wingnuts slash each other with razor blades?

[Aresen]

Mad Max wrote:

"That's the multiculturalism which Medved seems to be criticizing."

Then I submit that Medved is battling a straw man.

While there are people who want to move to the West but have nothing to do with western lifestyle or beliefs, [like all the Massachusets liberals who have condos in Vail] most just want to 'join in', not force us to adopt their lifestyle.

Some don't, even after generations, but the majority do, bringing their music, food and arts to add to the society they are joining.

In either case, so long as no one's rights are violated - including the rights of those who may choose to leave the enclaves - it doesn't matter.

[independent worm]

I'm glad someone finally had the courage to up the rhetoric on Islamic terrorism. Otherwise, nothing might ever be done about it.

[dhex]

loundry: you may have missed the years of jokes to see who could pile the most left-wing "critiques" of bush into a single name. i think the winner was

bushitler mcchimplerburton

[vanya]

OK, as stupid as "Islamo-Nazi" is, it is actually far more defensible than "Islamo-Fascist." I challenge anyone to produce even one reasonable link between Mussolini's ideology and the ideology of Bin Laden and his ilk. There is on the other hand at least a vague tenuous link between Nazism and today's jihadists. The Nazis did spend a little effort encouraging anti-Jewish feeling in the Middle East in the 1930s and 40s, and subsidized distribution of classics like "Protocols of Zion." Plenty of jihadists and radical muslims have praised Hitler, I've never heard of a jihadist praising Mussolini.

But, more importantly, I think Medved assumes, rightly, that most of his intended audience has no idea what "fascist" means, but they do know that "Nazis=bad guys".

[independent worm]

Oooh, how about: Islamo-Badguys

[Loundry]

How about "mujahedin"?

[J sub D]

How about medieval, bigoted, ignorant, violent assholes?

[joe]

"wanting to establish a totalitarian state and kill all the jews doesn't qualify as nazi like behavior anymore?"

Medved didn't say "Nazi-like," he called them Nazis. There are important differences between Islamist totalitarians and Nazis, that shouldn't be ignored for the sake of rhetorical zipiness.

"the dictionary definition of 'fascist' is completely appropriate for Muslims if you just change 'state' to 'religion.'" If you change "state" to "religion," you significantly change the character of the political and ideological movement.

Of course, your thinking has to go beyond "Dere da bay guyz, right?" for any of this to make sense. You have to actually believe in that whole "know your enemy" hokum.

[joe]

Chimpsnort McHitlerburton.

There's all that flying he did, dhex. And I'm not talking about the National Guard.

[Jeff P]

Islamo-monguls
Islamo-huns
Islamo-berzerkers
Islamo-klingons.
Islamo-babyeaters.
Islamma-jammers!

[moonbiter]

wanting to establish a totalitarian state and kill all the jews doesn't qualify as nazi like behavior anymore?

Excuse my ignorance, but if you could point me to the document or documents in which Al Qaeda asserts that it wants to establish a totalitarian state and kill all the Jews I would appreciate it. I'm not saying I don't believe it necessarily, but I'd just like to see the basis of the claim.

And please, no piece from the fevered imaginings of some pundit. Provide something in their own words (or at the minimum an intelligence assessment).

[Gene Berkman]

"Islamo-Fascism" is a metaphor. In terms of history, the Ba'ath Party was modeled on the Italian Fascist Party, but it was founded by Michel Aflaq, a Syrian Christian.

The Lebanese Phalange was also inspired by Mussolini and Franco, but it too is a Christian Party that in the 1970's allied with Israel.

The Nazis did promote the Protocols of Zion in the Middle East, to arouse Arabs against the Jewish settlements in Palestine, but previously French and Arab Christians had been promoting the Protocols.

If you want to call people you don't like "Nazis" or "Fascists" you can - it's a free country. But the metaphor the neo-cons are promoting is intended to conflate the anti-Jewish activities of the Islamists with the Nazi attempt at world conquest that led to World War II, and so it is a politically motivated but historically messy metaphor.

[Jim Walsh]

I submit that Medved is battling a straw man.

Well, he's a talk host, what do you expect? Beyond that though, "multiculturalism" is a bastard term, i.e. it means all sorts of different things to all sorts of different people. Aside from its value to mediocre talkshow hosts as an emotional button-pushing device, it's meaningless.

Next time someone invokes the M-word in your presence, ask them to define just what they mean - then sit back and enjoy the tap dance...

[Aresen]

Jim Walsh

Very true and good suggestion. I accept your correction.

Just because I like pita & houmus doesn't mean I have to tolerate the subjugation of women. I can take 'multiculturalism' to mean the former, while someone else may take it to mean the latter [As in "It's part of our culture, don't interfere."]

[80sfan]

TL;DR.

Did any of you libertoids/America-Firsters see this:
http://www.opendemocracy.net/articles/ViewPopUpArticle.jsp?id=3&articleId=3930

[Buckshot]

Akira MacKenzie:

"Not to mention that many of these "babies" would have to live in environments of crushing poverty and potential abuse."

I was an unwanted baby who was raised in an environment of poverty and abuse and I enjoy being alive just as much as you do. The unhappy childhood thing is followed soon thereafter by an adulthood of self-determination and plenty of opportunities for happiness. First, though, you have to be born. I'm very happy that abortion wasn't readily available in 1951, otherwise I might have been "saved" from all this misery.

[Akira MacKenzie]

All right Buckshot, fine, we'll ban abortion, on the provision that those who identifiy themsevles as anti-abortion be specifically taxed to support the welfare state that is going to be needed to support these children as well as the prisons where they are more than likely going to end up when they reach adulthood... assuming they get that far.

Because THIS little black atheist duck isn't going to pay a dime to satisfy the unfounded whims of the fetus-fetishists.