More Loompanics Thoughts
Jesse's news reported below about the impending death of Loompanics drove me, first, to spend over a hundred bucks picking up all those rainy-day books I always assumed would be there and thus took my time on grabbing, and second to some heavy nostalgic musings, since Loompanics was my direct link into libertarianism as a bookish youth.
I had read, and of course been blown away by, Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson's Illuminatus! trilogy back in the early '80s, and naturally assumed that Principia Discordia was just a made-up fantasy. (This was before I learned that every single thing in that novel is the literal and absolute truth--make sure you remember that as you read it, as everyone should.) Then I saw an ad in the back of Amazing Stories, of all strange places (though that venerable science fiction mag was also the place I first learned, over and over again from a semi-permanent back page ad berth, of the mysteries and wonders of the Rosicrucians), indicating that it actually existed and an actual book company with the curious name of Loompanics was selling it.
I ordered it of course, and had my (way too young to be reading this sort of thing, natch) mind further blown by the reckless, mad, antinomian, anything-goes, willful and brave world of alternate and hidden history, dangerous techniques to save your own life (or wreck it--hey, it's up to you) and nestled in there a sober and serious sounding book called Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt. Anything in one lesson sounded like quite a bargain, so that was included in my very next Loompanics order. As for many, many other libertarians, that introduction to Bastiat-inspired free-market economic thinking (its main message: always consider the secondary and tertiary effects of actions and policies, or, to sum it up, breaking a window isn't good for the economy) led me on the path that brings me to where I am today.
Loompanics got its curious name from its first publication: an index to National Lampoon magazine, a deserved favorite of hipsters and heads of all varieties back in the 1970s, pre-Animal House. Another one of its early publications in the 1970s was an index to another magazine, a little libertarian journal that goes by the name of Reason.
Some of those in the comments threat on Jesse's original post seem to think it's "bad for libertarianism" that sellers of books instructing people in illegal activities like making your own weapons or drugs are thought of as libertarian. Well, Loompanics head Mike Hoy is just as unhappy with the connection between his operations and the larger libertarian movement as you--in this interview he gripes loudly about how libertarian mags like Reason and Liberty for years refused to run his ads or rent their subscriber lists to him, and generally condemns mainstream movement libertarians as wimps.
Was Loompanics' existence, and links to libertarianism, bad for libertarianism, as some in the comment thread on Jesse's original post insist? I'm sure it is true in some cases that the existence of people doing things with their liberty that people who don't like people to have more liberty don't like--whether it be doing certain drugs, or selling books on how to make them, or selling books on ideas that most people consider invidious or kooky--makes people who don't like what some people choose to do with their liberty not embrace libertarianism. It is the fate of all libertarians to have to feel embarassed sometimes about things that other people who call themselves libertarians say or do. Alas, it is just one of the many, many costs of freedom. If libertarianism's only hope is convincing everyone that in a free society no one will do or say anything they don't like or approve of, well, those with hope for a more libertarian future might as well stock up on Loompanics' wilderness survival books and disappear off the grid.
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I always wondered where Loompanics got its name. Thanks, Brian.
Um,
WTF?!
hail eris!
there are times where i think all the big L libertarians should stop reading hayek and start reading the principia discordia.
If libertarianism's only hope is convincing everyone that in a free society no one will do or say anything they don't like or approve of
Yes, that has absolutely everything to do with why we don't like people having "blue druids" or "conspiracy theorist hippies" as their only reference point for "libertarians".
Good grief.
dhex -
I think they already are. Would explain why so many of the LP guys are into hawking seminars on how the income tax is secretly voluntary, etc.
As one of those "Some of those" from the original thread, all I can say is I picked up some stuff too.
But it is not the existance of loompanics that is the problem. It is the identification of companies like that with the libertarian movement as opposed to with everyone/no-one.
Regardless of the fact that is sells books on all sides, (inside outside, left-right-up-down-side, inverted...) of almost all political lables, though usually the contrarian side, it is thought of as the company that sold the 'perfect murder' book. Or the one that sells books on how to do all knids of illegal and nefarious things.
The general public, when they look through a loompanics catalog, consider it on par with a beastiality porn site. (That they sell books on porn topics, unusual sex titles, and probably puppy-love as well, dosn't help).
While we should certainly defend them when they are under unjust attack, we also should not identify with them.
I think Mike Hoy is somewhat justified in being angry with us, but at the same time, when you are trying to get your message out to as many people as you can, turning them off by raising the most extreme ideas first ain't the way to do it.
You don't see McDonalds linking their site to a webcam in an abbatoir do you?
OK, not the most apt analogy, but I think you guys can get my point.
Maybe a better one would be not seeing mainstream Democrats hawking hagiographies to Marx, Mao and Stalin, or Republicans reminising about the good old days of the Crusades and Inquisition.
I think those who are most critical of the Looompanics-type "out-there" libertarians are the same who still hold out hope for a political solution to the problem of leviathan government.
Sure, matt, and just how many politicians have you shot?
I do hold out hope for a political solution. The other two solutions, (a tryannical oppression, a violent revolution), I do not want to live to see.
The first will likely kill me if I am not sucessfull in fighting it or fleeing, the second opens up all possible political outcomes, most of them just as bad or worse than we have now.
Tom, c'mon man, on the internet everybody can be Patrick Henry.
Jeebus...Pointing out the near impossibility of political solutions does not imply violent revolution. There are other alternatives to explore. Going out and popping a few politicians would likely only make the situation worse than it is now.
libertarian mags like Reason ... for years refused to run his ads
WTF Nick? I mean seriously
What?
The?
Fuck?
I know someone hollers "cancel my subscription" every week, so I guess this is my week. But I truly think this calls for an explanation. I mean with all the batshit crazy people you do sell ad space to, why single out these guys? And now they're going under. I never even hear of Loompanics and whether they exist in the world or not isn't going to put any more strawberries in my jam. Never the less, they deserved better from Reason. Who else won't you sell ad space too? I demand a list of everyone whose money you refused to accept.
Eat shit and get violently ill Reason >:-|
Never the less, they deserved better from Reason.
Why?
In other news, Loompanics are having a 50% off everything sale. I know I'm going in for some stuff. Any recommendations?
So why wouldn't Reason sell Loompanics ad space? Was it because they didn't want people to identify libertarianism/Reason with Loompanics?
I thought Hoy had a lot of good points if his depiction of the inability to place ads with Reason is accurate. Its kinda weird given the content of Reason that Loompanics might have been considered too extreme.
The Reason/Loompanics kurfuffle was back in the '70s or '80s. We've run several ads from them in recent years.
Jesse,
OK cool 8^)
In the next breath he was talking about Google so I figured this was an on going thing.
Keep those print issues coming
Mediageek:
That probably a big reason why I am stillsingel at 47. Even semi-anonymously over the 'net I am STILL boring...
Brian: so, is Illuminatus! any good? My uncle gave it to me for Christmas, and it looked really goofy. I haven't gotten around to reading it yet.
LOL.
Tom, I find your boring-ness refreshingly honest.
"Any recommendations?"
I picked up the following:
1. How to investigate your friends and enemies.
2. Asshole Conspiracy.
3. How To Steal Food From the Supermarket.
Well, there's always Paladin Press...
BTW, some of us are both libertarians and Rosicrucians.
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Loompanics may be gone, but the venerable DAX remains. Use PIN #556616 when you visit http://www.daxfax.com
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Oops, didn't mean to post that three times, sorry. I didn't think it went through, so I tried again and again. Apologies.
Economics in One Lesson is a *great* book Brian. I read it about the time that I first learned in school that wars are great for the economy. It was a real ahha moment.
Mark Lambert I have driven past Mt. Ecclesia (sp?) every day for 10 years and didn't know what the Rosecrucians are all about. So I read their website, and now I still don't understand what they are about. But I at least know for sure that it's they who own the beautiful dome shaped building pearched hundreds of feet above the auto graveyard. That's pretty much what the rest of the world thinks of libertarians. At the end of the day, all they undertsand is a blue man driving without a license.
I wish it were Paladin that were going under. I'll never forgive PP for their failure to appeal the immense damage done to free speech.
To hell with laws and the jerks who need them-- Die! Die!
Now, having said that, I noticed the ripoff ad in the top lefthand corner called, "Absinthe, open your mind." You don't have to spend the big bucks to buy this cheapo drink. Just add some artemesia wormwood, a friggin' tumbleweed you can buy and grow in the East, South, and find anywhere in the West, to your favorite rotgut, let it sit for some months, then enjoy. Wow, wasn't that difficult? $296-- these pigs should be drowned in their booze.
I will miss them, as they were one of my best high school "bad influences" that helped form the man I am today. I'm doubly frustrated because I had a local bookstore that was darn near the D.C. area outlet for Loompanics (and Paladin) titles, and it was surreal to be able to browse this stuff.
For those asking for suggestions...Martin's "Men Against the State" was one of my earliest and most influential (on me) Loompanics orders.
From there it was all downhill, Spooner's "No Treason", Nozick, you know how it is.
An aside: I don't think Loompanics carries this anymore, but J.D. Tuccille's "It Usually Begins with Ayn Rand" was an hilarious but very informative introduction to the anarcho-sympathizing world of the 70s. I was too young to be there, but the imagery of the SDS in a room together with the YAF and guys in leotards with dollar signs next to Ch?-worshippers had me transfixed.