Reason.com - Free Minds and Free Markets
Reason logo Reason logo
  • Latest
  • Magazine
    • Current Issue
    • Archives
    • Subscribe
    • Crossword
  • Video
  • Podcasts
    • All Shows
    • The Reason Roundtable
    • The Reason Interview With Nick Gillespie
    • The Soho Forum Debates
    • Just Asking Questions
    • The Best of Reason Magazine
    • Why We Can't Have Nice Things
  • Volokh
  • Newsletters
  • Donate
    • Donate Online
    • Donate Crypto
    • Ways To Give To Reason Foundation
    • Torchbearer Society
    • Planned Giving
  • Subscribe
    • Reason Plus Subscription
    • Print Subscription
    • Gift Subscriptions
    • Subscriber Support

Login Form

Create new account
Forgot password

Miami Mayhem

Julian Sanchez | 11.25.2003 6:17 AM

Share on FacebookShare on XShare on RedditShare by emailPrint friendly versionCopy page URL
Media Contact & Reprint Requests

Check out Bureaucrash for running coverage of the anti–free trade protests in Florida.

Start your day with Reason. Get a daily brief of the most important stories and trends every weekday morning when you subscribe to Reason Roundup.

This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

NEXT: By the Time I Get to Phoenix

Julian Sanchez is a contributing editor at Reason.

Share on FacebookShare on XShare on RedditShare by emailPrint friendly versionCopy page URL
Media Contact & Reprint Requests

Hide Comments (23)

Editor's Note: As of February 29, 2024, commenting privileges on reason.com posts are limited to Reason Plus subscribers. Past commenters are grandfathered in for a temporary period. Subscribe here to preserve your ability to comment. Your Reason Plus subscription also gives you an ad-free version of reason.com, along with full access to the digital edition and archives of Reason magazine. We request that comments be civil and on-topic. We do not moderate or assume any responsibility for comments, which are owned by the readers who post them. Comments do not represent the views of reason.com or Reason Foundation. We reserve the right to delete any comment and ban commenters for any reason at any time. Comments may only be edited within 5 minutes of posting. Report abuses.

  1. SPUR   22 years ago

    BC continuing to do fine activism -- shine on you crazy pro-free trade diamonds...
    😉

  2. digamma   22 years ago

    Why is there a picture of Julian Sanchez in Philadelphia on the front page and no mention of protests in Philadelphia (that I can find) anywhere on the site?

  3. Anonymous   22 years ago

    yeah, what's wrong with anti?free trade protests? i don't see why you have to froth at the mouth everytime there's an anti?free trade protest, like freedom of speech and all that. why don't you organize a march for trade or something, i dunno. *shrugs*

  4. Ruthless   22 years ago

    Poster at 8:56
    Because free trade be goood.
    Because as in the antiwar protests, the bulk of protesters are parasites.
    And because the media never explain that the bulk of the protesters are parasitic nincompoops.
    'Course media never label themselves that way either.

  5. Anonymous   22 years ago

    well fine free trade is good, war is good. that's your opinion, they have theirs blah blah. i just don't get why people get worked up so much over what other people say that they happen to disagree with.

  6. Julian Sanchez   22 years ago

    Wow, I can't believe that's still up there... it's from the "Unity 2000" protests of the Republican National Convention, back when I was an AEI intern in college.

  7. Mark Fox   22 years ago

    anon 8:56: At least for the same reason you posted here. Some people need to talk, others need to ask 'em to shut up.

  8. Anonymous   22 years ago

    i guess my point is that you're *sure* you're right, and they *know* they're right, and then? live and let live is all i'm saying, do they annoy you that much? and if they do, all the way through the internet, you know, then maybe it's not them who're the problem? maybe? i mean when you have to resort to ridicule you kinda've already lost the battle.

  9. Kevin Carson   22 years ago

    Anon,

    The real problem is 1) the so-called "anti-free trade" people are against corporate power--which results not from free trade, but from its opposite; and 2) the FTAA suits say they're for "free trade," but actually want the opposite: a mercantilist global economic system enforced by international agreement between states.

    To further complicate the issue, there are individualist anarchists like Joe Peacott who are strongly in favor of free trade but don't think all that highly of either group in Miami:

    "Free Trade is Fair Trade: An Anarchist Looks at World Trade" Bad Press Broadside #3 (Jan. 2000) http://world.std.com/~bbrigade/badpbsd3.htm

    "Where Are the Anarchists?" Bad Press Broadside #4 (May 2000) http://world.std.com/~bbrigade/badpbsd4.htm

    To the extent that the demonstrators propose using international regulatory bodies for "progressive" ends like labor and environmental regulations, they've got it exactly ass-backwards and need to be heavily propagandized on the benefits of REAL free markets. To the extent they want to dismantle the WTO and stop its statist intervention on behalf of big corporations, they're a useful ally.

  10. not Weishaupt   22 years ago

    Kevin, the basic reason why anti-everything protesters should go away is that they have little interest in protesting, but a lot of interest in destruction of private property. True protest involves accepting the consequences of that protest, regardless of how unpleasant those consequences may be. That is why I have time for devotees of Gandhi, or Dr. King, but none whatsoever for the idiots who think protest involves busting up a Starbucks, or spraying a fur coat.

  11. not Weishaupt   22 years ago

    Anon, what's sad is that they actually think they are accomplishing something tangible for their cause. Sadder still is that so few of them actually have one to begin with.

  12. Anonymous   22 years ago

    but if you do not think they are accomplishing anything, then why do you dwell on it so much? insecurity?

  13. Kevin Carson   22 years ago

    not Weishaupt,

    I don't dispute your assessment of the Black Bloc window-smashers at all. I've had my own unpleasant dealings with the Circle-A crowd. I just wonder how representative they are of all the anti-globalization protesters down there. I know that some free market types have been involved in past protests, both anti-glob and anti-war: for example, SEKIII and other members of the Movement of the Libertarian Left have passed out leaflets at similar happenings in the past.

    anon,

    You've spent an awful lot of time on this thread interrogating other people about why they do or do not care about something. So why, exactly, does it matter to YOU what they are interested in? Why are YOU so worked up about it?

    Things happen in the news. Those things attract people's attention. People comment on those things. Why is this such a mysterious phenomenon for you?

    My guess, in this case, is that people commenting on this thread are interested in political issues involving free markets (odd, on a libertarian blog, huh?). Consequently, they express opinions about protests against a conference allegedly having to do with free markets. Weird, huh?

  14. Eric the .5b   22 years ago

    What gets me is everyone trying to explain why they're making note of something they disagree with...to an anonymous poster who keeps repeatedly harping on how it bothers him (or her) that we're doing something he (or she) disagrees with.

  15. not Weishaupt   22 years ago

    Kevin, they are not representative at all, which is sort of my point. Their actions take away from the people who actually have a valid pro/con issue that deserves to be addressed. The coarsening of discourse surrounding these events prevents the discussions that are newsworthy from making the news.

  16. not Weishaupt   22 years ago

    Oh, and I don't really dwell on it, as much as I shake my head every time I see one of those bandanna-wearing morons on my evening news. You, anon, seem to be very interested in this ongoing thread, for reasons I find inexplicable. C'est la vie.

  17. Kevin Carson   22 years ago

    Jason,

    To paraphrase, "We are the well-wishers of the world's free trade, but the guarantors only of our own."

    Free trade means allowing your own people to trade with anybody they want, on any terms they want. It does not mean banging the whole world's heads together until they are playing by a centrally-imposed set of rules, or forcibly opening up foreign markets, or any other mercantilist policies. And the problem with many of the neoliberal rules is that they RAISE barriers to free competition (e.g. IP law, at the risk of opening that old can of worms).

  18. Jason Ligon   22 years ago

    Kevin,

    I sort of thought that was coming.

    Slowly but slowly, methinks I perceive a pattern in our disagreements ...

    PS
    Just out of curiosity, who would be the guarantor of our free trade without a central government with the authority to do so?

  19. Michael   22 years ago

    Has anybody read the quite amusing "Big Fat Government Helps Big Fat Woman" article on the bottom of the page ?

  20. Madog   22 years ago

    I don't think any libertarians would deny that the anti-free traders and anti-globalists have a right to peaceful protest. Our beef is with their position in the "debate", which is opposite ours for the most part. The other big issue is that not all of them are content to be peaceful and respect private property.

  21. Jason Ligon   22 years ago

    Kevin,

    If a 'statist' organization like the WTO can't be employed to lower trade barriers, what is your proposal for people living in markets tightly regulated by their local governments?

    Getting the international community out of it is the same as saying that tyranny is okay as long as it is local, no?

  22. CYMK   22 years ago

    you corporatist libertarians just don't get it

    these protestors that want to stop all trade and have the state run EVERYTHING are really the TRUE free traders

    ok, end of sarcasm...
    SEK3 is an interesting dude, but if you think him and his 2-5 followers are of any consequnece you need to log off the internet and actually visit the protests.

    granted the WTO is maybe not the BEST friend for free trade, but that doesn't discount that those leading these weak-minded protestors are still neo-brownshirts and parasitic looters.

    that being said, I hope people like SEK3 are still out there. but i wil still cheer the 'crashers.

  23. Anonymous   22 years ago

    i just think that if documenting their "parasitic" behaviour is less for their benefit and more for your own it's sorta sad, not for you personally of course 😀 but just like in general, knock yourself out!

Please log in to post comments

Mute this user?

  • Mute User
  • Cancel

Ban this user?

  • Ban User
  • Cancel

Un-ban this user?

  • Un-ban User
  • Cancel

Nuke this user?

  • Nuke User
  • Cancel

Un-nuke this user?

  • Un-nuke User
  • Cancel

Flag this comment?

  • Flag Comment
  • Cancel

Un-flag this comment?

  • Un-flag Comment
  • Cancel

Latest

In Defense of the Tourist Trap: Why Following the Crowd Might Be the Smartest Way To Travel

Christian Britschgi | From the August/September 2025 issue

69 Percent of Americans Say American Dream Is Not Dead

Autumn Billings | 7.4.2025 8:30 AM

With Environmental Regulatory Reform, California Gov. Gavin Newsom Finally Does Something Substantial

Steven Greenhut | 7.4.2025 7:30 AM

Celebrate Independence Day by Insulting a Politician

J.D. Tuccille | 7.4.2025 7:00 AM

Independence Day Reminds Us You Can Be American by Choice

Billy Binion | 7.4.2025 6:30 AM

Recommended

  • About
  • Browse Topics
  • Events
  • Staff
  • Jobs
  • Donate
  • Advertise
  • Subscribe
  • Contact
  • Media
  • Shop
  • Amazon
Reason Facebook@reason on XReason InstagramReason TikTokReason YoutubeApple PodcastsReason on FlipboardReason RSS

© 2024 Reason Foundation | Accessibility | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.

r

Do you care about free minds and free markets? Sign up to get the biggest stories from Reason in your inbox every afternoon.

This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

This modal will close in 10

Reason Plus

Special Offer!

  • Full digital edition access
  • No ads
  • Commenting privileges

Just $25 per year

Join Today!