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The Mini Tuesday Primary Thread: Paul Triumphs, Clinton Endures, Mike Huckabee Splatters Against the Wall

UPDATE 8:36: Ron Paul has been re-elected to Congress in the Fourteenth District of Texas.

No Democrat has filed to run against him, so winning the GOP nomination has assured him re-election.

Campaign manager Mark Elam: "Chris Peden is toast. It's just a question of how big the margin is."

The campaign is looking at a result in line with its final internal polls, with about 70 percent of the vote going to Paul.

With about 8,400 votes in, Paul is leading Peden 72-28.

UPDATE 8:53: These are early votes being reported right now, but around 40 to 50 percent of votes were cast in early voting and the Paul campaign doesn't expect the election day results to diverge. Brazoria County, which casts the plurality of TX-14 votes, is going 72-28 for Paul and 16 percent for him in the presidential race. Fort Bend County is Peden's stronghold, going only 60-40 for Paul.

UPDATE 10:39: With most of the early votes in and 14 percent of today's votes, Paul is up 68-32. In Fort Bend, where 67 percent of today's vote is in, there's no notable gap between today's vote and the early vote.

UPDATE 10:44: With Huckabee out and Bush endorsing McCain, how long will Paul stay in the GOP race? I've called the presidential campaign and have no answer yet, but obviously getting re-elected was the last real moment of truth in a now utterly Quixotic campaign. Paul is free, as Kucinich was in 2004, to stick around as long as he wants and hope that there are anti-McCain protest votes to be had in Mississippi, Pennsylvania, Indiana, etc and etc. Wracking up some delegates and speaking at the RNC: That's still a realistic goal. I can't say anything about the rumors that Paul is exploring a third party bid.

UPDATE 11:06: So, I pooh-poohed the claims that Republicans would cast finger-in-the-eye votes for Hillary in these primaries, but one of the most striking shifts in the exit polls is the Republican move away from Obama. Obama won them in Wisconsin 72-28; he won them in Ohio with 55-45, and in Texas with 53-46. It's easy to explain that shift by pointing to Limbaugh-inspired mischief voters. Maybe they were only 4-5 points of the shift, but that might be enough to swing it.

UPDATE 11:32: Ron Paul's statement.
"I am honored that the voters in the 14th District expressed their continued confidence in my leadership by overwhelmingly reelecting me to the House of Representatives. I have no Democrat opponent in November and will serve another term in Congress where I will continue my battle in behalf of taxpayers.

My message of limited-government and upholding the Constitution has once again been endorsed by the conservative-minded voters in my district. They understand and support the battle I have waged for thirty years to make the federal government smaller, to reduce wasteful government spending, to balance the budget, and to promote a foreign policy that always puts America first.

Some Washington insiders would have you believe that Republicans no longer believe in the principles our country and party were founded upon, but the voters in my district have once again proven them wrong.

The message of freedom is popular, and I will continue to trumpet it in Congress and across America as I fight on behalf of the conservative, common sense values which made our country so great.

In conclusion, I would like to offer my thanks and gratitude to all of the wonderful people who supported me in this campaign. I look forward to representing all of the good people of the 14th District of Texas in Congress in the years to come."

With 56 percent counted, Paul is winning 69-31.

UPDATE 1:31: With all but two precincts in, Paul has won 70.2-29.8 over Peden. Peden's improved only eight points over the much-less-hyped Cynthia Sinatra campaign of 2006.

ORIGINAL POST, 6:00: This is the last truly huge primary day of the year, with four states voting for presidential nominees and two of them hosting hotly-contested House primaries: Dennis Kucinich's race in Ohio and Ron Paul's race in Texas. Both of them will win. Sources in Paul's campaign were tight-lipped, but they expect to know they've won within 30 minutes of the polls closing. Also, they expect Republican turnout to be high despite GOP voters dabbling in the Clinton-Obama race. What about Chris Peden's boast that the GOP committee in Aransas County has endorsed him? "Six precinct chairs in the county that makes up one of the smallest parts of our district? No, we're not worried about that." On the local sherrifs who endorsed Peden? "They've endorsed against Dr. Paul in the past, and Republican voters aren't moved by their sherrifs or by party officials they've never heard of." Bottom line: Eric Dondero probably doesn't need to update his resume for a new Congressional job tomorrow.

What should you be reading? The estimate John LaBeaume has electoral secrets up at his blog. Mark Halperin is posting exit poll data as it comes in, and old exit polls are up at CNN's archived 2004 site. (They're useful for gauging if independent or black or Hispanic or etc. turnout is up or down this year.) CNN's 2008 site has the detailed exits. Numbers for the Texas-14 House race are here. For reference, here's how Paul did in 2006, when he won 78 percent of his primary vote.

Brazoria County - 8,829 votes (80.5 percent)
Galveston County - 3,588 (75.9 percent - this is where Peden's city of Friendswood is located)
Victoria County - 3,279 votes (81.4 percent)
Wharton County - 1,962 votes (74.1 percent)
Fort Bend County - 1,945 (79.1 percent)
Chambers County - 1,708 (74.3 percent)
Aransas County - 1,658 votes (69.2 percent)
Matagorda County - 548 votes (74.8 percent)
Calhoun County - 355 votes (81.6 percent)
Jackson County - 214 votes (63.7 percent)

Here's what to watch tonight and when.

7 p.m.
Vermont

The Democrats (15 delegates) - Obama will win easily: He's endorsed by Sen. Patrick Leahy and Rep. Peter Welch, and the parts of the state that aren't liberal college towns (good Obama territory) are sleepy rural areas that mirror the parts of New Hampshire where Obama did best. Obama 64, Clinton 33, for a 4 or 5 delegate advantage. If this isn't called immediately, it's bad news for the O-Team.

The Republicans (17 delegates) - John McCain will run laps around Mike Huckabee. Figuratively! He'll beat him by at least 2 to 1 and sweep the delegates. (He beat George W. Bush by 24 points here in 2000.)

7:30 p.m.
Ohio
The Democrats (141 delegates) - The Clinton campaign has seized on the Austan Goolsbee/NAFTA gaffe masterfully, and aided by union muscle and the machine of Gov. Ted Strickland, they should be able to hold off Obama's smaller union machine, big ad buys, and mayoral endorsements in the big cities. There's bad weather all over the state, but ice storms in eastern Ohio: Bad for Obama in the cities, good for Clinton in the Mahoning and Ohio valleys. Clinton 54, Obama 45, with Clinton up by about 7 delegates. If this is called within an hour, Clinton's last-minute poll surge was very real.

The Republicans (85 delegates) - John McCain takes it easily, by better than 25 points, and wins at least 75 delegates. At this point in the night he'll be within 100 delegates of the nomination.

Other races: In the 10th district, Rep. Dennis Kucinich will win re-election over a field of challengers led by Cleveland Councilman Joe Cimperman.

8 p.m.
Texas
The Democrats (193 delegates) - If this election had taken place on Friday I think Obama would have won going away, by about 4 or 5 points. But everything indicates that Clinton experienced a last-minute resurgence, aided by the "Children" ad, aided by a number of things that have caused white voters to take a second look at the race. I expect Obama to narrowly lose the popular vote today—the question is whether he was winning the well-organized, union-aided effort to score early voters in the last two weeks. My bet is that he split that, and will fall short today. Clinton 50, Obama 49, but aided by the caucus that begins at 8:15 p.m. in most of the state and 9:15 p.m. in the west, he will win the most delegates.

The Republicans (137 delegates) - McCain wins by better than 20 points and clinches the nomination.

Other races: In the 14th district, Ron Paul will easily put away Councilman Chris Peden. A 15-20 point margin.

9 p.m.
Rhode Island
The Democrats (21 delegates) - Obama tried to spook Clinton with an 11th hour trip here, and attracted about 10,000 people to a rally in this state where about 35,000 voted in the last presidential primary. He'll lose, but Clinton's victory will be only about 10 points and 2-3 delegates.

The Republicans (17 delegates) - Eight years ago McCain won this primary over George W. Bush by 23 points. He'll beat Huckabee 2 to 1. New England loves the man.
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Comments to "The Mini Tuesday Primary Thread: Paul Triumphs, Clinton Endures, Mike Huckabee Splatters Against the Wall":

Happy Jack | March 4, 2008, 6:05pm | #

Bottom line: Eric Dondero probably doesn't need to update his resume for a new Congressional job tomorrow.

I think I love you.

Jonathan Hohensee | March 4, 2008, 6:08pm | #

GOOGLE RON PAUL!

thoreau | March 4, 2008, 6:08pm | #

Bottom line: Eric Dondero probably doesn't need to update his resume for a new Congressional job tomorrow.


YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a fine day in American politics, as far as I'm concerned.

Jonathan Hohensee | March 4, 2008, 6:08pm | #

LITTLE GREEN FOOTBALLS DOESN'T INCLUDE RON PAUL IN THEIR POLLS BECAUSE THEY ARE FACIST SOCIALIST

Lost_In_Translation | March 4, 2008, 6:09pm | #

I'm calling Texas for Obama by 5 points, with a 3 point spread. My own personal anecdotal evidence suggests that many republicans here are desirous of screwing up the democratic election and hate Hillary more than Satan (who atleast is a Texan).

Jonathan Hohensee | March 4, 2008, 6:14pm | #

WATCH FROM FREEDOM TO FACISM, IT WILL OPEN YOU'RE EYES

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 6:21pm | #

Clinton will win everything but Vermont, by a margin bigger than expected. Shes either been going up or holding her own in all the polls, not good for Obama.

Spellcheck on the loose! | March 4, 2008, 6:22pm | #

psst!

It's spelled fascism.

GILMORE | March 4, 2008, 6:22pm | #

Im hoping Hilary is accidentally electrocuted onstage by faulty wiring while making last minute attacks on Obama.

GILMORE | March 4, 2008, 6:23pm | #

fuck the polls. Go with your GUT

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 6:25pm | #

My gut says the Clintons never die. They're the undead of the political world. How many times were they supposed to have been finished politically since 1992, and how many times have they come back to life? Yeah, exactly.

joe | March 4, 2008, 6:25pm | #

Wow, busting Dondero right in the blog post.

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice.

joe | March 4, 2008, 6:26pm | #

Clinton wins Ohio, but by 6 points or less.

Texas primary: who knows? It's Texas. Anything from Clinton by 3 to Obama by 8. Bask in my prescience and courage!

Texas caucus: Obama in a walk.

Vermont: Obama, well into the double-digits.

RI: Clinton by about 9.

Total: Obama's delegate lead widens.

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 4, 2008, 6:26pm | #

My gut sez: beans and rice!

Brandybuck | March 4, 2008, 6:27pm | #

Jonathan: The big conspiracy that Russo doesn't tell us, because he was too afraid to, was the one where all your elementary school teachers conspired to make you look like an idiot.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 6:27pm | #

Does anyone seriously think Hillary drops out tonight or anytime before Pennsylvania? Anyone?

Nephilium | March 4, 2008, 6:28pm | #

I couldn't do it... I couldn't convince myself to go and declare a party today...

I live in Ohio's 10th district... I couldn't make myself say I was a Republican so I could toss the single vote for Ron Paul, and I couldn't say I was a Democrat just for the chance to vote against Kucinich twice...

*sigh*

Nephilium

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 4, 2008, 6:28pm | #

My prediction: Gravel, in a surprise move, sweeps all four states receiving 99% of the vote in each. Also, at the same time, recounts in all the previous states reveal that Gravel actually won them too.

Fluffy | March 4, 2008, 6:29pm | #

Someone at Rockwell's site claims that Paul / Barr 2008 is back on the table.

From their lips to God's ears...or the FSM's ears...or whatever.

Nash | March 4, 2008, 6:29pm | #

Eric is about to be 0 for 3.

Eric PLEASE endorse McCain!

BakedPenguin | March 4, 2008, 6:31pm | #

Vermont: Obama, well into the double-digits.
Percentages or voters? Or both? It is a small state.

Anonymoose. | March 4, 2008, 6:32pm | #

Anyone have URLs for video/audio feeds from the major cable networks?

Eric Dunderoo | March 4, 2008, 6:35pm | #

Zombie Josef Stalin is the only true remaining mainstream libertarian republican.

joe | March 4, 2008, 6:38pm | #

I don't get all that talk, Cesar. Huckabee hasn't dropped out; why would Hillary drop out?

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 6:39pm | #

Because if Hillary fights it all the way to the convention it would basically destroy the Democratic Party. It would be like Chicago 1968. But of course, she wont' let that stop her lifelong ambition.

joe | March 4, 2008, 6:39pm | #

Lol BakedPenguin.

Obama is polling well in the crucial "That guy John, who owns the gas station out by I-91" demographic.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 6:41pm | #

Is Vermont also full of ex-Massachusettians (is that the right adjective?) like New Hampshire?

joe | March 4, 2008, 6:43pm | #

Because if Hillary fights it all the way to the convention it would basically destroy the Democratic Party.

I guess that depends on how she campaigns.

If it really looks like she's out of it, I could see her staying in while running a positive campaign in case Obama gets struck by lighting, and to secure her spot as VP.

The idea that she'd bring the house down on the party's head is part of the HITLERY conspiracy theories.

She's not a succubus. She's a politician like everybody else.

robc | March 4, 2008, 6:43pm | #

Cesar,

I think the term you are looking for is Masshole.

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 4, 2008, 6:44pm | #

joe,
Huckabee staying in doesn't actually do any serious damage to McCain, as he isn't going negative in any serious way (other than being the antichrist). He's only staying in to give himself a better position with McCain for a position in the administration (VP or Cabinet).

Clinton, on the other hand, is actually trying to win. Though maybe there's a case that she shouldn't get out and that Obama hasn't got everything wrapped up, she isn't in at all the same position as Huckabee.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 6:45pm | #

Did you just say "Hillary" and "positive campaign" in the same sentence joe?

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 4, 2008, 6:46pm | #

A friend of mine had an impacted masshole once.

Pottsy | March 4, 2008, 6:48pm | #

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't Hillary really have to bring down huge numbers tonight to be able to honestly say her campaign is still viable? Even if Obama loses, it seems like he wouldn't lose by much...

joe | March 4, 2008, 6:49pm | #

On VT and NH:

The first thing to keep in mind about ex-Massachusetts residents in NH is that they are, in the aggregate, MORE CONSERVATIVE than native New Hampshirites. People assume that transplants in New Hampshire are "Massachusetts liberals," but the southern counties where most of the transplants live gave a HIGHER % to Bush than the rest of the state. These transplants are political refugees, not missionaries.

There are a good number of Mass transplants in VT, as well, but they're probably outnumbered by NY transplants.

joe | March 4, 2008, 6:50pm | #

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 6:45pm | #

Did you just say "Hillary" and "positive campaign" in the same sentence joe?


Yes, Cesar. Positive campaign. Like the one she ran for an entire year before Obama's big rise.

Jennifer | March 4, 2008, 6:50pm | #

So what would it take to convince Dondero to throw his support behind the drug war, too?

Gunter | March 4, 2008, 6:50pm | #

Ron Paul Will Win?? Heil Hitler! Mahlzeit!

Jerry Flast | March 4, 2008, 6:51pm | #

reason sucks

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 4, 2008, 6:51pm | #

I've read that Clinton needs roughly 57% of the vote from now to the end of the primaries to even disrupt Obama's lead, and of course even that won't get the 2025 needed delegates.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 6:52pm | #

Jennifer-

He already said previously the drug war wasn't really that big of an issue. He said what makes someone a libertarian is some vague stuff about "supporting property rights", cutting taxes (even if spending isn't cut also) and "fighting the war on islamofascism".

joe | March 4, 2008, 6:52pm | #

Pottsy,

She'd need a huge victory tonight to pull ahead, or just pull even, with Obama in delegates and popular vote.

But, on the other hand, Obama would need a huge victory tonight to nail down the nomination.

Hillary can stay in it, and hope for lightning to strike, unless she gets blown out tonight.

Brian Courts | March 4, 2008, 6:53pm | #

If it really looks like she's out of it, I could see her staying in while running a positive campaign in case Obama gets struck by lighting, and to secure her spot as VP.


Hmmm, Obama struck by lightning or Obama offering Clinton the VP? I'd say those possibilities are about equally likely.

Jennifer | March 4, 2008, 6:53pm | #

He said what makes someone a libertarian is some vague stuff about "supporting property rights"

Ah. So THAT explains the Supreme Court decision in Kelo v. New London.

joe | March 4, 2008, 6:53pm | #

So what would it take to convince Dondero to throw his support behind the drug war, too?

What would it take to convince Eric that herpes is a real libertarian disease?

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 4, 2008, 6:54pm | #

Jennifer,
I think all it'd take is a completely unequivocal statement by a candidate in favor of torture. Once that's given, the candidate has shown him- or herself to be sufficiently opposed to islamobamofascism to satisfy mainstream libertarian republicans worldwide. Presumably then Dondero would give up any other positions he claims to hold.

joe | March 4, 2008, 6:55pm | #

Brian Courts,

If they end up close enough, Obama might have to put her on the ticket to keep from alienating her voters and backers.

Everyone talks about what could happen that would turn off Obama's supporters, but that works both ways.

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 4, 2008, 6:57pm | #

joe:
If they end up close enough, Obama might have to put her on the ticket to keep from alienating her voters and backers.
I guess that's possible, but it seems like a poor call on his part to me. He'd get some verbal support for it, but it seems like he'd lose a lot of what his non-polarizing nature gets him.

Eric Dumbdero | March 4, 2008, 6:58pm | #

Penden: 100%!!!!!!!!1

Paul: 0%

Quote me on it!!!!!!1

joe | March 4, 2008, 7:01pm | #

Someone Who...,

I think it's something he'd only do if he felt that he had to. Part of a deal to get enough Superdelegates, for example, or to get her to drop out before the convention.

smartass sob | March 4, 2008, 7:01pm | #

I just returned from voting in the Texas Republican Primary for Ron Paul. First time I've ever voted in a primary and the first time I've ever voted for a Republican for Prez. Not a nice feeling, but at least I got to stick it in the political establishment's eye a little bit. Perhaps it is only my precint, but turnout seemed light.

BakedPenguin | March 4, 2008, 7:03pm | #

joe - they must have missed polling the guy who hangs out at the garage with John after fishing. Guess that's where the margin of error comes in.

Also re: lib disease - the fact that he caught it, and that it can't be cured by Medicare.

Cesar - VT isn't full of anything, except trees. Burlington is a college town full of liberals, mainly from other states (including, but not exclusively, MA). The people in the rest of the state are probably outnumbered by deer. Seriously.

yanks are funny | March 4, 2008, 7:05pm | #

you strangle the globe with war and greed
stare blankly at flickering satelite feeds
fill the airwaves with fascist chatter
yet talk like your votes actually matter

joe | March 4, 2008, 7:06pm | #

We also don't write pointless crap on the comment threads of web sites in other countries.

Because, really, who cares?

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 4, 2008, 7:07pm | #

joe, yeah, I guess I could see that, but I really don't think she'd drop out even for a big favor like a VP slot. This is realistically almost her last chance at the presidency, so being VP probably won't get her anything. McCain's age is an issue and in eight years she'll be nearly as old as he is. The only way she gets to run again before then is if the Democrat loses this time around, in which case she'd be going against an incumbent.

Cesar Jefferson Clinton | March 4, 2008, 7:09pm | #

Jessie Jackson won the Vermont Primary, in 1984 and 1988.

Nash | March 4, 2008, 7:09pm | #

OT but it's congressional race related. Tom McClintock just announced he's running for congress in Northern California (he's getting termed out of the state senate). We gonna get a story on that or is he not Cosmo enough? I think the primary election for CA congress is in June.

GILMORE | March 4, 2008, 7:10pm | #

VT isn't full of anything, except trees... The people in the rest of the state are probably outnumbered by deer

Incorrect. DAIRY COWS is the answer.

yanks are funny | March 4, 2008, 7:05pm | #

Your poem is funny. because it violates your own internal logic. Either we're omnipotent, or impotent. Figure it out already!

and FWIW, if you're a brit, gadzooks... what are you if not our lapdog? Who should you be bitching to: us, or maybe look in the mirror?

Player hating is like, so... French of you.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 7:13pm | #

Did some sixth grader from Il De France just post his two-bit love poem to Mikey Moore on here? Aw, isn't that cute!

Ali | March 4, 2008, 7:15pm | #

I can vouch for the people of Vermont. I have personally counted more humans than deer. But by a small margin. But of course deer hide most of the time and just show up in the middle of the interstate highway (they do have two of the in VT --mostly used by deers and Canadian snowbirds driving down to FL and NC) in the middle of snow storms.

GILMORE | March 4, 2008, 7:17pm | #

just out of curiosity, does anyone really understand how Ohio voters think repealing NAFTA will keep manufacturing jobs in the state?

I mean, doesnt that just hasten moves by industry out to eastern europe and asia, rather than within the trade region?

Or is everyone really that dumb?

Wait, I think maybe i answered my own question.

smartass sob | March 4, 2008, 7:18pm | #

@ Gilmore

Player hating is like, so... French of you.

Dat wadunt berry gneiss ob you, Gilmore. Lol

joe | March 4, 2008, 7:23pm | #

MSNBC just put up polling numbers. 81% of Ohio respondants say that NAFTA hurt more than it helped. Not really much of a surprise.

Then they put up Texas: 59% of TEXANS said the same thing. Texas, the border state, that doesn't have a mature manufacturing industry to speak of.

Eric Dunder-schmoe | March 4, 2008, 7:24pm | #

HUGE NEWS!!!

I just found my ass with both hands and a flashlight!! Why aren't the "libertarian" blogs like Hit and Run covering...oh...wait a sec...damn. Lost it again.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 7:25pm | #

What Ohio doesn't realize is, even if we put up HUGE tariffs to "protect" domestic industry, the manufacturing plants in the mid-west would just go to Alabama and South Carolina instead of Mexico and China.

SIV | March 4, 2008, 7:29pm | #

The people in the rest of the state are probably outnumbered by deer. Seriously.


Bears are no doubt outnumbered by hippies in VT as they are in at least 49 States. Alaska must have more bears than hippies .

Nephilium | March 4, 2008, 7:29pm | #

GILMORE:

The Production unions in Ohio are a bunch of morons. I do know of at least one steel mill in the area that wanted to modernize the line they had; however, the new line while producing more steel, needed less workers. The workers at the plant railed against it, fought it tooth and nail, and the plant didn't modernize.

The plant is now closed. So instead of a small loss of jobs, all the jobs were gone.

Nephilium

Brian Courts | March 4, 2008, 7:34pm | #

What Ohio doesn't realize is, even if we put up HUGE tariffs to "protect" domestic industry, the manufacturing plants in the mid-west would just go to Alabama and South Carolina[.]

Or Texas? Maybe that explains joe's comment about Texans apparent dislike for NAFTA -- they're just pissed they didn't get their chance to extort the rest of us the way Ohioans and Michiganders did for years.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 7:36pm | #

Or Texas? Maybe that explains joe's comment about Texans apparent dislike for NAFTA -- they're just pissed they didn't get their chance to extort the rest of us the way Ohioans and Michiganders did for years.
Good point.

But, of course, no one would be so stupid as to suggest that it would be a good thing if the 50 different states had tariffs on other states products.

Josh | March 4, 2008, 7:40pm | #

Then they put up Texas: 59% of TEXANS said the same thing. Texas, the border state, that doesn't have a mature manufacturing industry to speak of.

Of course, the voters in that state have also spent the last 3 weeks or so watching the two candidates the (majority of them) are choosing between try to one-up each other in describing how much of a disaster it is.

GILMORE | March 4, 2008, 7:42pm | #

bah, fuck em.

I never liked ohio anyway.

It reminds me of that famous scene in the "hullabalooza" episode of the Simpsons, when the tour bus comes to a crossroads, with one way pointing Toledo, and the other pointing Cleveland.

The bus heads towards Toledo, backs back towards Cleveland.... then heads back in the direction they came from.

Vermont Gun Owner | March 4, 2008, 7:43pm | #

I voted for RP today. When the lady asked me which party I was going to vote in, she already was picking up the Democratic ballot. She looked confused for a second after I said Republican, then had to put the ballet back down and grab the right one.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 6:41pm | #
Is Vermont also full of ex-Massachusettians (is that the right adjective?) like New Hampshire?


No, they are called Massholes. And yes, they are everywhere.

joe | March 4, 2008, 6:49pm | #
On VT and NH:

The first thing to keep in mind about ex-Massachusetts residents in NH is that they are, in the aggregate, MORE CONSERVATIVE than native New Hampshirites. People assume that transplants in New Hampshire are "Massachusetts liberals," but the southern counties where most of the transplants live gave a HIGHER % to Bush than the rest of the state. These transplants are political refugees, not missionaries.

There are a good number of Mass transplants in VT, as well, but they're probably outnumbered by NY transplants.


This may be true for NH, but I highly doubt it is true for VT. Vermont has such a liberal reputation that why would a conservative come here as a political refugee? More to the point, most of the liberals I know are either from out of state (with a large percentage from MA) or are kids whose parents are flatlanders. Plus, the only county to go for Bush in '04 was Essex county, and I am pretty sure that the percentage of Massholes there is very low.

BakedPenguin | March 4, 2008, 7:03pm |
Cesar - VT isn't full of anything, except trees. Burlington is a college town full of liberals, mainly from other states (including, but not exclusively, MA). The people in the rest of the state are probably outnumbered by deer. Seriously.


The Burlington political atmosphere sucks.

As for the deer, that depends. Are we talking before or after deer season? Also, does a deer still count if it is in someone's freezer?

DatONEfoo | March 4, 2008, 7:45pm | #

go to www.zeitgeistmovie.com or google Pharmacratic Inquisition or watch Freedom to Fascism. Keep an open mind. Understand that there are motives behind every action and you'll see the curtain lift right before your eyes.

Pig Mannix | March 4, 2008, 7:45pm | #

Bottom line: Eric Dondero probably doesn't need to update his resume for a new Congressional job tomorrow.

Ouch! That's gotta hurt!

Maybe not quite a kick in the nuts, but I'll take it!

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 7:46pm | #

Its weird that New England split between Obama and Clinton. I've never been to New England (except the New York suburbs of Connecticut) but I always thought it was a really, really ultra-liberal place that would love Obama.

joe | March 4, 2008, 7:47pm | #

Josh,

Of course, the voters in that state have also spent the last 3 weeks or so watching the two candidates the (majority of them) are choosing between try to one-up each other in describing how much of a disaster it is.

Actually, in 2004, the number was 62%, so I don't think that's a very likely explanation.

VGO,

Quite right. I was just talking about New Hampshire, and about southern New Hampshire in particular.

joe | March 4, 2008, 7:49pm | #

Cesar,

I think New England is more ultra-Democrat than ultra-liberal.

For example, the Massachusetts House has had an insanely large Democratic majority for decades, but the leadership is always from the conservative wing of the party.

Eric Dondero | March 4, 2008, 7:52pm | #

This just in! Ron Paul only has 67% of the vote so far in Calhoun County. Who's smiling now? His supporters were all claiming he would get over 80%, so that's 13 points short! What a bunch of pathetic losers you are. Thirteen points down! This just goes to show that Texas prefers patriotic Mainstream Libertarians like Peden over anarcho-pacifist traitors like Paul.

I don't have to update MY resume, how about you? Hmmm?

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 7:54pm | #

I don't think thats the real Dondero, but kudos to him for doing a great job of getting his writers voice right.

joe | March 4, 2008, 7:55pm | #

Yeah, that's pretty good.

Ali | March 4, 2008, 7:56pm | #

Bush and Cheney probably would prefer to avoid Brattleboro from now on.

Cab | March 4, 2008, 7:57pm | #

the "I invented libertarianism" was a nice touch too.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 8:00pm | #

I think we can agree the faux-Dondero is probably one of the best impersonations ever done on H&R. I seriously thought it was the real Dondero until I checked the URL.

Anyway, I'm making a projection that Hilldog wins Ohio by a comfortable margin (+8 points, three point MOE). Richardson just said that if Hillary wins both Ohio and Texas the race is, in his words, "wide open".

Adamness | March 4, 2008, 8:01pm | #

I bet Obama got all of the black vote in Vermont. All 3 of them.

joe | March 4, 2008, 8:03pm | #

Hillary is leading Obama 60-40 in Ohio right now.

So, obviously, he's up 3-2 in delegates.

God bless America!

smartass sob | March 4, 2008, 8:04pm | #

If by some chance Hillary should win the nomination, does anyone here think she would offer the VP slot to Obama? Seems like it would be a smart move on her part.

Josh | March 4, 2008, 8:05pm | #

Actually, in 2004, the number was 62%, so I don't think that's a very likely explanation.

So I guess the surprising thing is that only 59% of them are now after the campaign's focus over the last week?

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 8:05pm | #

Shes going to outpreform the polls joe. Watch the media narrative.

Adamness | March 4, 2008, 8:06pm | #

If by some chance Hillary should win the nomination

Oh god, don't say that.

joe | March 4, 2008, 8:08pm | #

Where, Cesar?

Mr. Nice Guy | March 4, 2008, 8:08pm | #

Ok, as one of probably the few anti-Nafta folks here, does anyone else see the irony in HRC winning Ohio based on anti-Nafta sentiment.

Sorry for skipping the acronym, but: WHAT THE FUCK!

Is Ohio the stuppidest state EVER? Remember this state gave it to GW based on the economy. Holy shit.

Jen | March 4, 2008, 8:08pm | #

** Representatives of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee told Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich before the Nevada primary that if he dropped his campaigns to impeach Cheney and Bush, they would guarantee his re-election to Congress. Kucinich threw them out of his office.

http://www.innworldreport.net/archives/fromthestudio/index.html

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 8:09pm | #

RCP had her up on average +7.1. Shes going to do better than that in the results. Watch.

Adamness | March 4, 2008, 8:12pm | #

Mr. Nice Guy | March 4, 2008, 8:12pm | #

HRC's husband was the guy who ensured NAFTA's passage. He used to cite it as one of his greatest accomplishments.

Maybe this is one of the few areas where libertarians would like what Bill did, but man, I think we all can agree that for HRC to somehow position herself as the anti-NAFTA candidate is the queen of all bullshit...Ohio has to be the dumbest place on earth...

joe | March 4, 2008, 8:12pm | #

Where, Cesar? Ohio? Rhode Island?

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 8:13pm | #

MNG thats mostly because of Obama's little gaffe with the Canadian government telling them it was "just politics".

Adamness | March 4, 2008, 8:13pm | #

My comment was eaten.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 8:13pm | #

Ohio, thus far. I wouldn't be surprised to see Texas, either. If she wins Texas (even just the primary) it is "wide open" indeed.

Adamness | March 4, 2008, 8:15pm | #

So far, Obama is winning Texas. Still early, though.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 8:16pm | #

How do you know when the polls aren't even closed yet Adamness?

Mr. Nice Guy | March 4, 2008, 8:16pm | #

Shit, Cesar, I'm so out of it I have not even heard about that. What happened?

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 8:17pm | #

MNG, basically the Canadian news reported that the Obama campaign told higher-up officials in the Canadian government that he wouldn't REALLY change NAFTA, that he was just doing this for "politics".

Mr. Nice Guy | March 4, 2008, 8:18pm | #

CNN's first releases show Obama winning Cesar, they note not all polls have even closed though

Mr. Nice Guy | March 4, 2008, 8:19pm | #

Cesar-I visited my parents in Richmond last week and they were all atwitter about Kaine being on the short list for Obama. Is that true?

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 8:19pm | #

Wait until the heavily Hispanic El Paso area closes.

joe | March 4, 2008, 8:20pm | #

Cesar,

Two time zones in Texas. Most polls have closed.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 8:20pm | #

Cesar-I visited my parents in Richmond last week and they were all atwitter about Kaine being on the short list for Obama. Is that true?
Yeah, he endorsed Obama early on when Clinton was still "inevitable" (he was even the first sitting Governor to endorse Obama) but I don't think hes a particularly good pick. If he wants to pick someone form Virginia Jim Webb is much better.

Mr. Nice Guy | March 4, 2008, 8:21pm | #

Q: If Obama wins Texas, is it pretty much over?

joe | March 4, 2008, 8:21pm | #

Or Mark Warner.

Fluffy | March 4, 2008, 8:21pm | #

Cesar, I don't see how Hillary can win OH by that much.

The exit polls say they tied nonunion households and Hillary won union households 52-47.

Since those two groups add up to everyone, that to me says Hillary won the state overall by something less than 52-47.

Sparky | March 4, 2008, 8:21pm | #

"...the Canadian news reported that the Obama campaign told higher-up officials in the Canadian government that he wouldn't REALLY change NAFTA, that he was just doing this for "politics"."

I don't get it - I thought Obama and Clinton both did that. Did she just spin it better, or do it a little more political savvy?

joe | March 4, 2008, 8:22pm | #

MNG,

Bill Richardson sez: If Obama wins Texas and Ohio, it's over. If Hillary wins both, the race is "wide open." If they split, then I guess it's something in between.

Adamness | March 4, 2008, 8:22pm | #

Q: If Obama wins Texas, is it pretty much over?

Technically yes, since there probably aren't many realistic scenarios that Hillary could make up the delegates, but she'll stay in it either way. If she lost Ohio (doubtful) she'd probably drop.

Franklin | March 4, 2008, 8:22pm | #

"At this point in the night he'll be within 100 delegates of the nomination."
How was that estimate calculated? Is it the same way the AP is estimating the number?

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 8:23pm | #

Joe, Mark Warner is my next Senator. Hes running against fucking Jim Gilmore! Hes not going to pass up that kind of cakewalk for a possible shot at the Vice Presidency.

joe | March 4, 2008, 8:23pm | #

Apparently, Sparky, Obama had a flunky back in Chicago who decided to open up to someone at the Canadian consulate.

Mr. Nice Guy | March 4, 2008, 8:24pm | #

Thanks on the Obama tip. Jesus I hope he finds whoever in his campaign did that and kicks his ass. He should have had a natural advantage in the NAFTA hate area. HRC is a complete phoney in this area, in Romney like dimensions...

John-David | March 4, 2008, 8:24pm | #

Too busy to read all the comments, but one weird thing just popped out at me on CNN: with less than 1% of the results in, Obama and Clinton have over 700,000 votes between them. Are there really 70,000,000 expected voters in Texas tonight in the Democrat primaries?

joe | March 4, 2008, 8:24pm | #

You might be right about Warner, Cesar. Still, I'm sure Obama would love to have him.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 8:25pm | #

John David thats 1% of precincts not 1% of voters.

joe | March 4, 2008, 8:25pm | #

John-David,

Something like a million Texans voted early. Maybe they're counting those?

Fluffy | March 4, 2008, 8:26pm | #

Kos is reporting that Obama won the early voters in TX by 5 points.

Since that was a million %&$&ing voters this year, that's a big early lead.

Mr. Nice Guy | March 4, 2008, 8:26pm | #

Thanks joe. Fuck, I guess it would be asking too much for HRC to just drop out for the good of the party...Remember I started out here thinking she was better, but the more this goes on, the more I see her running like a Republican would against Obama, and the disingenous levels she ha been willing to stoop too, the more I want to take a long shower for ever supporting her. Yuck...

joe | March 4, 2008, 8:26pm | #

No kidding, I saw a poll over early Texas voters that had Hillary up 50-48.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 8:27pm | #

MNG you were a Jerry Brown supporter in '92 right? I'm surprised you could ever support a Clinton after that.

Mr. Nice Guy | March 4, 2008, 8:27pm | #

They say Warner should be a walk. Gilmore is a walking joke...But VA is a pretty conservative place...Course, I haven't lived there for a long time, and never thought Webb (who I agree is better than Kaine or Warner Cesar) would beat George Allen...

Fluffy | March 4, 2008, 8:28pm | #

Holy crap, it's actually Obama by 17 among the early Texas voters. 17 points?

joe | March 4, 2008, 8:28pm | #

The Wolf is talking about the "caucuses" in Texas.

You can hear the air quotes in his voice: "caucuses." Like he's explaining it to four-year-olds.

Sparky | March 4, 2008, 8:28pm | #

"Apparently, Sparky, Obama had a flunky back in Chicago who decided to open up to someone at the Canadian consulate."

Well, I hope they got laid at least.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 8:29pm | #

MNG Webb wouldn't have beaten George Allen if it wasn't for this.

joe | March 4, 2008, 8:29pm | #

LoL, Sparky.

"They say people only use 10% of their brains. I think we only use 10% of our hearts."

joe | March 4, 2008, 8:30pm | #

Cesar, can we reopen the "redneck/racist" discussion we were having a few threads ago?

Mr. Nice Guy | March 4, 2008, 8:31pm | #

Cesar-I kind of hate the Clintons, but I think I end up defending them when people, like some of the posters on H&R, try to argue that they are the Devil Incarnate on even the smallet points. Ironically, I've always thought this is how the Clinton's "do it" they point to the extremists hate of them a proof that they are not that bad, and I guess I've fallen for it a few times...

I also thought that while HRC was, and is, a terrible candidate, that Obama had no chance. But lately the evidence of the new voters he's pulled makes me thinkg he can pull HRC supporter and then some...

As fluffy can tell you I like McCain. A lot. But I just don't want more GOP SCOTUS justices...

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 8:31pm | #

Sure. Rednecks aren't racist. Jim Webb is a HUGE redneck. For God's sake, he tried to conceal carry in the U.S. Capitol!

But hes married to a Vietnamese woman, and his daughter is engaged to a Guatemalan immigrant. Rednecks CAN be racist but not all (by far) are.

Adamness | March 4, 2008, 8:31pm | #

NBC is saying there's little chance Hillary will win more delegates than Obama in Texas, even if she wins the popular vote.

Add in the caucus, which he'll likely win, Obama wins Texas where it counts.

John-David | March 4, 2008, 8:33pm | #

Cesar,

Funny thing is, I realized that right after I hit post. Some huge precinct probably has reported, and that is skewing the numbers.

joe,

That could be as well. I would think those results will only be reported once the entire precinct's results are in, though.

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 4, 2008, 8:35pm | #

MNG, Virginia's going blue, it's just a matter of time.

In addition to his other advantages in the Senate race, Warner is running for a seat vacated by a Senator named Warner.
Actually, since VA isn't blue yet, I think Webb might be out as well. They don't want to lose that seat 'til it's a sure thing.

Fluffy | March 4, 2008, 8:35pm | #

I don't see how Hillary can possibly overcome Obama's lead in TX based on the prevote. It just doesn't seem statistically possible. She's not only going to lose Texas, she's going to get a savage ass pounding in Texas.

John-David | March 4, 2008, 8:36pm | #

I never saw that Macaca video until right now. THAT was what all the fuss was about? Much better than writing books using the n-word, I guess.

Sorry for the derailment, but that whole Macaca thing was just stoopid.

Mr. Nice Guy | March 4, 2008, 8:37pm | #

I agree that Webb is as red as the day is long, but not racist.

He's one of the few Democratic politicians that I think is, well, a man. And that says something bad about that party imo...

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 8:38pm | #

Webb can appeal to rural white voters, and also add foreign policy gravitas.

On the downside, hes a piss-poor campaigner but that might not matter if hes second on the ticket.

Nash | March 4, 2008, 8:38pm | #

U. S. Representative District 14
Ron Paul - Incumbent 6,099 71.96% 6,099 71.96%
W. Chris Peden 2,376 28.03% 2,376 28.03%
----------- -----------
Total Votes Cast 8,475 8,475
Precincts Reported 0 of 51 Precincts 0.00%

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 4, 2008, 8:39pm | #

Yeah, Allen should have just lost because he was a moron. Or on all of his other racist crap. Or really for any of a million other reasons.

joe | March 4, 2008, 8:39pm | #

Cesar,

Rednecks CAN be racist but not all (by far) are. Most of them don't eat squirrels and get into bar fights, either, but all three of those things are part of the redneck archetype.

Webb and Allen were duking it out to define Allen's self-produced redneck image to the voters.

Allen wanted to appeal to all of the positive connotations that the archetype has for Virginians: genuine, local, tough, honorable, Southern.

Webb was trying to hit on the negative connotations of the concept, especially hotheaded and racist.

When Allen called that kid "Macacca," it was such a huge blow because it played into the negative narrative that his opponents had been trying to set up. Golly gee, maybe putting a Confederate flag lapel on for your class picture, when you're from California, really IS an indication that you're a racist!

Mr. Nice Guy | March 4, 2008, 8:39pm | #

"she's going to get a savage ass pounding in Texas."

I know how repulsive most here find HRC, but the image of her in her younger days, getting a savage ass pounding, is arousing as all get out for me...*

*I think she was kinda cute in her younger days

joe | March 4, 2008, 8:40pm | #

Cesar,

Jim Webb is a HUGE redneck. Yes, and he tried to set himself up as the GOOD redneck, while Allen was the BAD redneck.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 8:41pm | #

Joe I think its more that Allen was the fake redneck and Webb was the real thing.

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 4, 2008, 8:41pm | #

True enough Cesar, but I think they'll be loath to give up his seat especially if it looks like there won't be tons of Senate gains just yet, though what, Kaine appoints the interim, right? That may be enough for them to make it worthwhile.

Yeah Webb's no great shakes at campaigning. He really rode in on the changing Virginia color and Allen's stupidity. A few other people suggested a few possible running mates for Obama, some moderate governors, I believe?

joe | March 4, 2008, 8:41pm | #

Actually, since VA isn't blue yet, I think Webb might be out as well. They don't want to lose that seat 'til it's a sure thing.

Plus, there's a meaningful possibility that Jim Webb is batshit insane.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 8:42pm | #

Plus, there's a meaningful possibility that Jim Webb is batshit insane.
Well, theres a good chance John McCain is too. So it balances out.

Mr. Nice Guy | March 4, 2008, 8:43pm | #

I think what happened to Allen was, that while many bought his goofy boots wearing country boy routine, many suspected he was a spoilt rich brat with not much brain. The last campaign he confirmed this in more people's mind than disconfirmed it...I remember the pathetic bastard, the first debate he was in trouble, where he disingenously kept refering to "my wife and I" as running and leading, because he was trying to cut into Webb's support among women...What was once a simple formula to win in VA was now bankrupt, and George did not have the IQ to know what to do...

Fluffy | March 4, 2008, 8:43pm | #

The Hill-dog is extra crispy at this point.

She won't quit, though.

On some level you have to hand it to both her and Bill - they never, ever, ever give up.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 8:43pm | #

A few other people suggested a few possible running mates for Obama, some moderate governors, I believe?
Brad Henry of Oklahoma would be great for him. Hes like Bill Richardson except hes white, southern, a really good campaigner.

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 4, 2008, 8:44pm | #

Also, the macaca thing showed Allen as a fake southerner - I think that may have been part of the hit he took. Like he was raist but not a real redneck.

Oh and joe: I have eaten squirrel.

joe | March 4, 2008, 8:44pm | #

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 8:41pm | #

Joe I think its more that Allen was the fake redneck and Webb was the real thing.


I'm not saying you're wrong, but there was definite movement after the macacca incident, and getting called out for being a racist certainly doesn't make you look like LESS of a redneck.

NH | March 4, 2008, 8:45pm | #

Nash - Is this real or speculation?
U. S. Representative District 14
Ron Paul - Incumbent 6,099 71.96% 6,099 71.96%
W. Chris Peden 2,376 28.03% 2,376 28.03%

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 4, 2008, 8:45pm | #

raist=racist. I wouldn't want to accuse Allen of being a sun-god worshipper.

Shane Brady | March 4, 2008, 8:46pm | #

How exciting! Ron Paul gets to spend another two years crafting anti-gay, anti-choice, and anti-church-state-separation legislation that never even make it out of committee.

What did Ron Paul used to say about term limits?

joe | March 4, 2008, 8:46pm | #

Oh and joe: I have eaten squirrel.

So, have you always hated black people?

;-)

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 4, 2008, 8:46pm | #

I'm not saying you're wrong, but there was definite movement after the macacca incident, and getting called out for being a racist certainly doesn't make you look like LESS of a redneck.

It does when you're being racist with a word spoken in French Tunisia that no Virginian has ever heard before.

Dan | March 4, 2008, 8:47pm | #

Paul: 9,526 votes

Peden: 4,467 votes

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 8:47pm | #

What I guess I'm saying is, Webb wouldn't have won if he was some NOVA, pro-gun control yankee transplant with a New England accent.

joe | March 4, 2008, 8:47pm | #

Did you cook it in a popcorn machine?

Fluffy | March 4, 2008, 8:48pm | #

Tough luck Shane, you cunt.

Dan | March 4, 2008, 8:48pm | #

"How exciting!"

It would be very exciting to see a good man like Paul heavily defeat a smear-job jerk like Chris Peden.

Franklin | March 4, 2008, 8:48pm | #

NH, check here.

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 4, 2008, 8:48pm | #

joe: lol.

Though it's a fair question since I'm from West Virginia originally. For such a monochromatic state, the people there always had a really severe hatred of black people. It's almost as though they were going around saying "goddamn but I hate unicorns, I know I've never seen one but goddamn, they suck."

John-David | March 4, 2008, 8:49pm | #

Ron Paul primary results updated live here: http://enr.sos.state.tx.us/enr/mar04_135_state.htm

John-David | March 4, 2008, 8:49pm | #

BTW, he's right now up 68%-32%. DONDERRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 4, 2008, 8:50pm | #

Oh, and on the method of cooking, no; cooked in gravy with dumplings.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 8:50pm | #

DONDERRRRRRRRROOOOOOOO!

The only thing that could make this more sweet is if it was Dondero himself getting creamed.

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 4, 2008, 8:51pm | #

The only thing that could make this more sweet is if it was Dondero himself getting creamed.

He's in Tijuana taking care of that right now.

joe | March 4, 2008, 8:52pm | #

What if he was getting, er, the Hillary Clinton Texas treatment?

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 4, 2008, 8:55pm | #

What if he was getting, er, the Hillary Clinton Texas treatment?

OK, I've seen every episode of Real Sex and Cathouse and haven't heard of that one ever.

Jennifer | March 4, 2008, 8:55pm | #

The only thing that could make this more sweet is if it was Dondero himself getting creamed.

It is. Remember Dondero's old bragging that he'd take Paul's House seat away from him?

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 4, 2008, 8:55pm | #

Is it like pony play?

Shane Brady | March 4, 2008, 8:55pm | #

Fluffy,

I don't care that much if he's re-elected to Congress, since he doesn't represent my district. It would be better if people like this:

"Dr. Paul, who served in Congress in the late 1970s and early 1980s, said Tuesday that he has produced the newsletter since 1985 and distributes it to an estimated 7,000 to 8,000 subscribers. A phone call to the newsletter's toll-free number was answered by his campaign staff."

would be voted out, but oh, well, it's the 14th's loss not mine.

Shane Brady | March 4, 2008, 8:56pm | #

Plus, if Ron Paul understood the Constitution, he would know that it bans elected officials from praying in public.

http://www.shanebrady.com/2007/11/14/georgia-and-the-uselessness-of-prayer/.

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 4, 2008, 9:01pm | #

OK - off to watch Tom Regan kick the guy from L.A. Law's ass. Be back later for more squirrel-eating anecdotes.

joe | March 4, 2008, 9:02pm | #

Someone,

"Hillary Clinton Texas treatment" - I was referring to Fluffy's comment at 8:35.

Nash | March 4, 2008, 9:02pm | #

"I don't care that much if he's re-elected to Congress, since he doesn't represent my district. It would be better if people like this.. would be voted out, but oh, well, it's the 14th's loss not mine."


Yes I'd much rather have war-mongering, tax and spend authoritarians voted into office solely based on the fact they don't publish newsletters that hurt people's feelings.

Get your priorities straight moron.

Dan | March 4, 2008, 9:04pm | #

"Ron Paul has been re-elected to Congress in the Fourteenth District of Texas."

Great news in my opinion.

Bingo | March 4, 2008, 9:04pm | #

The only thing that could make this more sweet is if it was Dondero himself getting creamed.
bukkake?

joe | March 4, 2008, 9:04pm | #

John McCain's such a political genius that he's going to kick off his general election campaign tomorrow by...staging a great, big event around getting the endorsement of Mr. 29% at the White House.

Brett | March 4, 2008, 9:06pm | #

Don't know what it means, but voting this morning in McKinney (burb north of Dallas), the Dem line was 30 deep, the Rep line...0 deep. I was there to vote Paul, so I wasn't complaining, got in and out in about 2 mins. Not sure if Republicans are staying home b/c of the perception McCain has it wrapped up, or if half those in the Dem line were dittoheads voting Hillary, but the difference was quite stunning, especially given it's TX.

Shane Brady | March 4, 2008, 9:07pm | #

Nash,

If you're fine with racism and homophobia and call it just "hurting people's feelings", I can't stop you, but I try to be a better person than that.

joe | March 4, 2008, 9:07pm | #

John Kerry got 2.4 million votes in Texas.

3.8 million people voted in the Texas Democratic primary this year.

Someone Who Doesn't Want to Lose His Job | March 4, 2008, 9:08pm | #

joe, oh OK: "get a savage ass pounding in Texas." Yeah, Dondero might do that.

Shane Brady | March 4, 2008, 9:08pm | #

Oh, and forgot to tell you... I'm a war-monger...

http://www.shanebrady.com/2007/03/17/iraq-should-we-stay-or-should-we-go/

My priorities are straight.

joe | March 4, 2008, 9:08pm | #

Man, I hate seeing threads hijacked into stupid paleo/cosmo fights about Ron Paul.

So, in the interest of unity:

People who deny global warming are illiterates who molest children.

Adamness | March 4, 2008, 9:11pm | #

If you're fine with racism and homophobia and call it just "hurting people's feelings", I can't stop you, but I try to be a better person than that.

It's not going to cause wars or destroy our economy. Ron Paul has faults, but he's still an important person to have in Congress.

Franklin Harris | March 4, 2008, 9:11pm | #

With about 8,400 votes in, Paul is leading Peden 72-28.
And to think: It could have been Dondero getting beaten like a Mexican prostitute by a drunken sailor tonight.

Bingo | March 4, 2008, 9:13pm | #

Boobs.

joe | March 4, 2008, 9:13pm | #

The Democratic nominee should send out mailers with that picture of McCain hugging Bush at the '04 convention.

Maybe with that shot of the fat lady with the Purple Heart band aid on her face.

Rick Barton | March 4, 2008, 9:14pm | #

Ron Paul Ron Paul Ron Paul !!!

Ha Ha Hillary! (She is gonna lose Texas, right?)

Ha Ha Donderooo!

Oh yeah, (So I guess there is such a thing as Vermont-Is it true that John Elway can throw a football across the narrow part?)

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 9:16pm | #

Don't worry, joe. I'm sure McCain will be endorsed by General Patreus soon.

joe | March 4, 2008, 9:16pm | #

Whoops, Kerry got 2.8 million votes in Texas in 04.

joe | March 4, 2008, 9:17pm | #

Are you suggesting that a uniformed, active-duty member of the military would engage in partisan politics, Cesar?

Perish the thought!

Jennifer | March 4, 2008, 9:19pm | #

And to think: It could have been Dondero getting beaten like a Mexican prostitute by a drunken sailor tonight.

No, it's better this way. As a libertarian I am very uncomfortable with election results like "Ron Paul got 99.9 percent of the vote," even if it WOULD be true, were Dondero his opponent.

Pig Mannix | March 4, 2008, 9:19pm | #

Paul's critics have got to eat the dust on Paul's Congressional election.

But honestly Paul isn't doing so hot in the Presidential returns. Looks like only 6% in his native Texas.

Adamness | March 4, 2008, 9:19pm | #

Bye bye, Huckster.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 9:20pm | #

6% in Texas? That's not good. Let's hope that number goes higher as the night progresses.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 9:20pm | #

Good Lord, it looks like absolutely no resolution on the Democratic side. Hillary seems like shes in this for the convention, even if she just wins
Ohio.

Wait for her to talk about the "voices" of Florida and Michigan tonight.

joe | March 4, 2008, 9:20pm | #

Did George Brett really say that?

That is a fantastic answer. Good man.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 9:21pm | #

Dondero is trying to imitate me in case his chintzy writing style isn't a big of enough clue.

joe | March 4, 2008, 9:22pm | #

Cesar,

No resolution, just Obama extending his lead.

Joe | March 4, 2008, 9:23pm | #

Paul was using Obama's line in his campaign materials the closing days. His signs had "Vote for Hope, Vote for Ron Paul."

Good strategy. Paul has more in common with Obama than McCain. Maybe that's the reason for Paul's crushing defeat of Peden?

Fluffy | March 4, 2008, 9:23pm | #

The reason you're a cunt, Shane, is because there is absolutely no aspect of Paul's supposed anti-choice, anti-gay or pro-church legislative agenda that would not be heartily endorsed by Peden.

But Peden also is pro-torture, pro-concentration-camp, pro-Drug-war, and specifically promised to dramatically increase the amount of pork spending directed to the 14th and neighboring Texas districts.

And frankly, Peden's complete lack of scruple [typical for a mainstream Republican] would mean that he wouldn't even try to wedge his social conservative agenda into a constitutionalist straitjacket the way Paul does, so Peden's anti-gay, anti-choice and pro-church activites would probably make Paul look like a piker.

Your complaint was stupid, and like most anti-Paul complaints I see it's a lie. You don't care about any of that crap. You're just pissed because Paul doesn't want to slaughter Muslims, so you grasp around for something to bitch about.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 9:24pm | #

Joe, every day Hillary stays in hurts Obama more.

Shes going to go even more negative after her comeback tonight.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 9:24pm | #

He's trying hard I see to put words in my mouth. I've got something hard that I'd like to stick in his mouth, and it ain't a broom handle.

joe | March 4, 2008, 9:25pm | #

Hey, me too!

Fluffy | March 4, 2008, 9:25pm | #

Cesar, I luv you man, but you do realize you just said you wanted to stick your dick in Dondero's mouth? Not too cool.

joe | March 4, 2008, 9:25pm | #

That wasn't Cesar.

Fluffy | March 4, 2008, 9:26pm | #

Where's your God now, Huckabee?

I thought it was the miracle of the loaves and fishes all over again, or whatever.

I guess Jesus must have had some high school sports games to go fix tonight, instead of these primaries.

Joe | March 4, 2008, 9:27pm | #

I agree Obama is gaining cause of his anti-War stance. The Military is not all it's cracked up to be. This Surge is a failure. Obama, and Ron Paul, will benefit when it comes to light that it was all based on lies.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 9:27pm | #

Hey chickenshit Dondero come post something with your own name.

Rick Barton | March 4, 2008, 9:27pm | #

This Republican would renounce an endorsement from the sycophant, General Betrayus

No respect for that clown:

http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_10_08/index1.html

joe | March 4, 2008, 9:28pm | #

You know, Governor Huckabee, if some woman sold her wedding ring, and some impoverished guy with a wife in a wheelchair, sent me the money...I'd send it back.

Pedobear | March 4, 2008, 9:28pm | #

People who deny global warming are illiterates who molest children.

Stop insulting child molesters, joe. We care about our victims' future.

joe | March 4, 2008, 9:29pm | #

...but only for a very short timeframe.

Adamness | March 4, 2008, 9:30pm | #

Right Joe. Paul's victory is a slap in the face of all those Military fanatics. All those yahoos who put that silly yellow ribbon on the back of their pickups with the slogan, "Support the Troops."

Should read Support Peace: Reduce the Military.

joe | March 4, 2008, 9:31pm | #

Hey, I'm on the company's laptop; I think I'll pop Pedobear's link into the address bar and see what comes up.

That sounds like a great idea!

Adamness | March 4, 2008, 9:31pm | #

I never thought I'd see a Pedobear reference on Reason.

Adamness | March 4, 2008, 9:32pm | #

I'll take it as a compliment that someone is posting under my name.

But you can stop now.

Cesar | March 4, 2008, 9:33pm | #

Dondero, you bozo, you and your Military buddies lost to true Patriot Ron Paul. Now we can get on with the business of bringing the Military home, and maybe even downsizing it, and making some serious cutbacks.

And no so-called GI Bill for those Veterans. They deserve no respect, like their buffoon boss George. W. Bush.

Eric Dondero | March 4, 2008, 9:33pm | #

lol just trollin guys.

Mr. Nice Guy | March 4, 2008, 9:34pm | #

No Country for Old Men or Big Lebowski? Which better? Both Coens films...

Mr. Nice Guy | March 4, 2008, 9:35pm | #

Can you only win the Oscar for a serious movie? I meant, it's the same directors/writers, both with great actors, and one is Oscar material, the other ignored by the same...WTF?

joe | March 4, 2008, 9:36pm | #

No Country for Big Lebowski:

Ve believe in nossing, Lebowski! Nos-BLAM!

Mr. Nice Guy | March 4, 2008, 9:40pm | #

Joe-what an evil answer ;) You're about to enter a world of pain...

Can't a funny movie be as "great" as a "serious" one?

They're both monumental lies...But both great art...

Andrew Murphy | March 4, 2008, 9:42pm | #

I don't recall Dondero claiming Ron Paul would lose. In fact, Sunday night on his blog radio show, I emailed him after the show if he was going to have Peden on as a guest in the future and he said no because "he is going to lose".. I will be more then happy to forward the email to any inquiring minds as proof.