Tonie Nathan, R.I.P. (The First Woman to Receive an Electoral Vote for Vice President)

Theodora "Tonie" Nathan, the woman who was the vice presidential candidate for the first Libertarian Party ticket in 1972 (underneath philosopher John Hospers, who was a gay man), has died at age 91, the Libertarian Party reports.

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It is a shame that her historical status for the advancement of woman's role in what had been entirely a man's world has been little noted or long remembered, mostly I suspect because the Libertarian Party is not much respected by institutional feminism (though it should be).

In an example of the charmingly ramshackle quality of the L.P. as it launched, as I wrote in my book Radicals for Capitalism: A Freewheeling History of the Modern American Libertarian Movement, Nathan, then a "TV producer from Oregon with a left-liberal and then (after being converted by her son, home from the navy with a fresh yen for Rand) Objectivist background, showed up to cover the convention. Because of some well-phrased comments from the floor during debates over the platform and statement of principles that impressed the rest of the delegation, she left as a candidate for vice president of the United States."

Although only on the ballot in two states, the Hospers-Nathan ticket won the vote of renegade Republican elector Roger MacBride of Virginia (who went on to be the next presidential candidate for the L.P.)

As I wrote in Radicals:

MacBride has alerted the media beforehand of his intentions, under a strict embargo. For the first time in its history, the room where Virginia's electors met was flooded with klieg lights as most of the electors passed in their preprinted ballots with Nixon's name on them. MacBride crossed out the president's name and wrote in Hospers's. When the vote count for vice president was announced, Theodora Nathan...had become, to the puzzled man reading the results, "Theodore".....

But she was not Theodore; she was Theodora Nathan, and she was the first woman to receive an electoral vote for vice president. Also, as the L.P. notes, the first Jewish person to receive an electoral vote for vice president.

The very idea might have seemed crazy in 1972; but she and L.P. were pioneers in opening space for new ideas and new types of people in American politics. What would have seemed unthinkable to a "respectable" Party then was a no-brainer for the pioneers of radical libertarianism in American partisan politics.

Nathan stayed active in the L.P. the rest of her life, running for many elective offices and holding Party offices, and announced Gary Johnson as the Party's presidential nominee from the convention floor in 2012.

She was as helpful and encouraging as she could be to me when I interviewed her for Radicals, and I personally appreciate her efforts on behalf of libertarian ideas in politics as well as her personal kindnesses.

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  • Sevo||

    Regardless of the renegade electoral vote, wasn't she simply the first female candidate for the the office run by any party?
    But I also understand, like Condi Rice, she can't possibly be a true woman since she didn't support team blue...

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Don't forget good old Victoria Woodhull...she's the *other* Victoria!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V....._candidate

  • Mickey Rat||

    No, there were some 19th century minor parties that ran female candidates.

  • sasob||

    She wasn't just the first woman to receive an electoral vote for vice president, she was the first woman in history to receive an electoral vote, period.

  • robc||

    I like to stump people with that trivia question.

    Some get Ferraro which is the least wrong wrong answer.

    Ive never had anyone get it right.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Theodora "Tonie" Nathan, the woman who was the vice presidential candidate for the first Libertarian Party ticket in 1972 (underneath philosopher John Hospers, who was a gay man)


    Not that I care much about identity politics, but that is really very interesting in the context of the times, impressive even -- far more than if it were to happen today in one of the major parties.?

    her historical status for the advancement of woman's role in what had been entirely a man's world has been little noted or long remembered, mostly I suspect because the Libertarian Party is not much respected by institutional feminism (though it should be)


    ...why? Institutional feminism has been Marx in drag for many years now; why would feminists be impressed by or even care for the well-being of an adversary with female genitalia?

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Btw, don't Google Image Search 'Marx in drag'... just don't.

  • Geoff Nathan||

    Aleha hasholom.

    She was a pioneer in many ways. We met a couple of times (years ago, when I was more active in the party). We decided we probably weren't related (it's not a very common family name), but we liked each other and had some pleasant conversations.

    She was classy and forthright, and Sevo's got it right--she wasn't on the right (nyuk, nyuk) team--otherwise she would have been much better known.

  • OldMexican||

    It is a shame that her historical status for the advancement of woman's role [...] has been little noted or long remembered, mostly I suspect because the Libertarian Party is not much respected by institutional feminism (though it should be).


    I disagree. I would take the disdain from institutionalized feminism as a badge of honor. It would mean the party is doing something good and correct.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    "We like women and gays, and feminists hate us"

    Sounds like a win-win to me.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Happy equinox, Reasonoids.

    More daylight than night.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Huh. Learned something.

    Don't Be Fooled

    On the spring equinox, the day's length is not exactly equal to the night's length, despite the oft-repeated myth.

    Days and nights of equal length always fall before the spring equinox and after the autumnal, or fall, equinox, Geoff Chester, public affairs officer with the U.S. Naval Observatory in Washington, D.C., said in 2006.

    "Exactly when it happens depends on where you are located on the surface of the Earth," he said. (Video: Equinox Balances Day and Night.)

    By the time the center of the sun passes over the Equator—the official definition of equinox—the day will be slightly longer than the night everywhere on Earth. The difference is a matter of geometry and the atmosphere.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Plus, all of the global weirding in the article.

  • Sevo||

    At 38* N, (and on a hill) what does happen on the equinox is a sun presence on a west-facing wall just prior to sunset.
    Just a sliver, before it's gone, but for the next 6 months, that wall is lit in the evening.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    38th? You're looking at 14 hours, 48 minutes of sun on the solstice. Based upon my recollection, it'll probably be foggy where you live, though.

  • Sevo||

    San Francisco coordinates
    Latitude:37.78, Longitude:-122.42
    http://www.bing.com/search?q=l.....a768d048e6

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    You said on a hill. Are you above the fog?

    I'm below 34 (38.88). One of the few places in the US where no heat and no A/C are necessary...

  • Sevo||

    I'm also a sucker for this stuff in an auto-didact manner:
    Notice that the full moon in the winter is far north, south in the summer, meaning the orbit of the moon is roughly plane to the orbit of the earth to the sun rather than perpendicular to the earth's rotational C/L.
    Yeah, I should have got that in 6th grade "science", but, hey I'm happy to figger it out now.

  • Ted S.||

    The other upshot is that you can be below the Arctic Circle and get 24 hours of daylighe (never mind dawn and dusk), or above the Arctic Circle and not get 0 hours of daylight, again disregarding dawn and dusk.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I can only imagine how much that means in your neck of the woods.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Only two more months of winter. Then our month of spring (June).

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I spent half a summer in Alaska. It was awesome. I can only assume that winter in Alaska is the opposite of awesome.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    This winter is particularly bad. I re-injured my knee (I think I told you) and haven't been able to do any of my normal winter shit. Bouncing off the walls.

    MRI tomorrow.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    If your knee is still messed up, I suggest we do a kickstarter to get you one of those hand-crank bikes.

  • Dances-with-Trolls||

    Well snow up to the second story windows is sort of awesome. Once.

  • Ted S.||

    Sankt Peterburg, Russia, was awful in March, with a cold, wet snow coming off the Gulf of Finland. In May, it was light until midnight. Glorious.

  • Ted S.||

    Except for poor IFH. ;-)

  • OldMexican||

    Nathan stayed active in the L.P. the rest of her life, running for many elective offices and holding Party offices, and announced Gary Johnson as the Party's presidential nominee from the convention floor in 2012.


    Reading things like this bring emotion to my heart and tears to my eyes. Imagine a woman not being swayed by facile distractions as identity politics and socialism but, instead, maintaining her commitment to liberty as strong when she entered the stage as when she left it. She's now in my pantheon of personal heroes.

  • Mokers||

    Don't you just love people who are guided by principles. This person seeking individual rights done so much more for the general public than somebody seeking wealth transfers to fix whatever they think ails them.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Okay, okay, this is how the media will talk about Rand Paul for the next 2 years:

    Rand Paul is calculating that the younger voters he's going after, some of whom are liberals on paper, don't mind/know Ayn Rand.

    — Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) March 20, 2014


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  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Rand Paul is hardly an Objectivist.

    The ignorance is breathtaking.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    I like how the one guy correctly points out Rand was an atheist and pro-abortion-choice and *still* somehow managed to sneer at her. Amazing.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I wasn't aware who Joy Reid was until Welch retweeted that. Now I wish I didn't:

    How public sector layoffs add to the racial income gap. From @msnbc.com: http://t.co/8XaY6NBjGC #reiders

    — The Reid Report (@TheReidReport) March 20, 2014


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  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    Dude, MSNBC =/= media

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    MSNBC will portray Rand as a Nathaniel Branden fanboy while CNN will concern troll the fuck out of how extreme Rand Paul must be.

    Fox will occasionally drag Rand's corpse up to bitch about the godlessness of libertarians.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Nah, Fox's MO will be to refer to Rand as 'soft on America' and imply that he hates the US. They will troll the puck out of him with the legitimately nutty things his dad has said about foreign policy.

  • Calidissident||

    I think he was talking about Ayn in that last paragraph

  • Calidissident||

    Well, given that Ayn's last name is Paul's first name, they clearly are the same person. Bulletproof logic

  • robc||

    Ayn Randall?

  • Bryan C||

    They Saved Ayn Rand's Brain!

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    "Young people" don't know shit about almost anything (least of all politics), so if that really is Rand's political calculus he'd do well to keep it.

    Unfortunately, he appears to have some esteem for the intelligence of young people, which bodes well for him as a person -- but not so much as a politician*.

    *The above may or may not be tongue in cheek. Mostly. Probably.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    Wait, why does she say, "on paper"? Are liberals automatically precluded from voting for anyone but a Democrat?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    In her world, yes.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    "liberals on paper" = those on the broad left who are corrupted by capitalists like Rand and require an enlightened vanguard like Joy to guide them

    Basically, those on the left who are not marinated in the leftist echo chamber.

  • Paul.||

    It is a shame that her historical status for the advancement of woman's role in what had been entirely a man's world has been little noted or long remembered

    It's because she was... she was.. an... Uncle Theodora.

  • Sevo||

    Or an Aunt Tom!

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Honolulu police lobby hard for state to keep law that allows cops to have sex with prostitutes while undercover

    Honolulu police officers have urged lawmakers to keep an exemption in state law that allows undercover officers to have sex with prostitutes during investigations, touching off a heated debate over the provision.

    Authorities say they need the legal protection to catch lawbreakers. Critics, including human trafficking experts and other police, say it's unnecessary and can further victimize sex workers, many of whom have been forced into the trade.

    It's not immediately clear how often — or even if — Honolulu police have sex with prostitutes, and authorities assure legislators that internal policies and procedures are in place to prevent that scenario.

    But experts say the exemption invites abuse and police can easily do their jobs without it.

    Protecting and serving.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    No link to South Park?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Not quite analogous since in South Park it was cops having sex with Johns

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Close enough for government work.

  • Sevo||

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    ???

    Did I miss something?

  • Sevo||

    Playa asked for a link to SP; I find that one amusing...

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    The one regarding prostitution= topical in this case

    Jackin it= Always topical

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Oh, I'm guessing it was a play on the Jason Russell thing?

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Yeah. Haven't you watched every South Park? If not, I have a suggestion for you until Spring arrives.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    I used to watch quite a bit, but it got away from me.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Authorities say they need the legal protection to catch lawbreakers.

    Can they take drugs too? We know they can murder.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    What the fuck?

  • Calidissident||

    Wait, this wasn't from the Onion?

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    I get the sense that Hawai'i is corrupt as fuck.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Beautiful. But corrupt.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    So like California but more so?

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    hi-yo!

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    IDK, maybe?

    It's hard to get a feel for Hawaiian society when you are staying at a resort and paying $20 for a drink.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Are things working now?
    I was finally able to login earlier.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    A leftist writes:

    But something has happened to the beautiful game and turned it ugly. That something is money. The filthy lucre has penetrated the heart of the game and is all but destroying it.

    Capitalism is an insane way to conduct affairs. It’s unfair, brutal and unsustainable. But people are duped into believing it works, that there is no other way. Tempt them with a piece of the money ‘pie’ and they’ll fall for anything. Good luck to Rooney, they say, just wish it was me; it’s supply and demand etc etc...
  • Sevo||

    ..."Tempt them with a piece of the money ‘pie’ and they’ll fall for anything."...

    The continuing strategy of the D party! It got Obo elected!
    But I'm pretty sure the ignorance level of whoever wrote that is such that facts are not going to influence any opinions.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I’ll leave the last word to Bill Shankly, one of the greatest football managers who ever lived:

    ‘The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That’s how I see football, that’s how I see life.’

    Old Bill must be turning in his grave.

    Well fuck you and fuck that guy. Pinko fucks like that only know force and violence. That's what they mean about "everybody working for the same goal".

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    First, that's not football.

    Second...

    Lastly, FOADIAF!

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    It's going to take a couple of minutes for my boner to go away.

  • OldMexican||

    Capitalism is an insane way to conduct affairs. It’s unfair, brutal and unsustainable.


    Shorter derp: "I'm just too incompetent to offer something marketable! It's not fair!"

    I have a friend of mine (one of my old buddies from Mexico) who is very into socialism. He's also the useless and lazy son of a successful businessman, so no wonder he's into socialism very hard.

  • Doctor Whom||

    He's also the useless and lazy son of a successful businessman, so no wonder he's into socialism very hard.

    That's practically a recipe for making a socialist.

  • Mickey Rat||

    "My beloved Aston Villa will have to do without me. I refuse to put my money into the pockets of these thieves."

    I don't think he gets the concept of what an actual thief does.

    At least at some level he realizes that so many people watching and paying for Premier League stuff is what is driving the salaries.

    "But do footballers, bankers, politicians? If they were paid according to what they contribute to society, I reckon most of them would be claiming working families tax credits to supplement their meager incomes."

    What is an objective measure of contribution to society, then? Sports are entertainment, which is by definition a luxury, but lots of people avail themselves of that luxury, so it does contribute. I think the writer would be surprised at how much more economically miserable the world would be without banks. Even politics has it purpose, but much than the Brits think it does.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Gretzky traded.

    I promised Messier I wouldn't cry.

  • Mickey Rat||

    "The Chicago Cubs traded minor league outfielder Trevor Gretzky to the Los Angeles Angels for infielder Matt Scioscia, the son of Angels manager Mike Scioscia."

    Nepotism counts for nothing with the Angels?

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Secretary of State John Kerry announced on Tuesday that the United States had frozen Russian President Vladimir Putin’s Netflix account, effective immediately.

    I wonder if he finished Season 2 of Lillehammer

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Big whoop. If we don't consider Canada a real country, what do you think we think about the Aussies? ;-)

    EKSEPSHUNULIZM!

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    who'd play on your college basketball teams without us!?
    who?
    WIGGINS REPRESENT!

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Aren't most "Russian" vodkas produced in the UK, France, or other Western European countries?

    They just pay for the recipe and brand name rights.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    not all.
    Russian Standard is Russian.

    it's happening in America as well!

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    GO JASPERS!

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Having alcoholic drinks more than twice a week may “greatly increase” the risk of stroke for men

    men who drink alcohol more than twice a week saw a threefold increase of their risk of dying of a stroke, compared to men who do not consume alcohol at all.

    THAT'S A SMALL SAMPLE SIZE

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I accept the risk.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    my dad was a teetotaler. He died of a stroke.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    My grandpa drank wine every day of his adult life. He's 93 and I'm going to have drinks with him this weekend.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    my grandpa was shot in a Stalinist purge.
    but enjoy your weekend.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    My grandpa cooked some Nazis, but I can't get him to talk about it without lots of booze.

    How old are you? I was picturing a teenager...

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    hah!
    I'm in my late 30s. My parents were over 40 when I was born tho.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    You cast a wide shadow. Your pseudonym came up on my Facebook page after the LA earthquake. There was some debate about the size of the earthquake, and if it warranted putting on pants before running outside. The consensus was that you would put on a sweet pair of cords before you bothered to run outside...

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    My motto is always look your best.

  • Bryan C||

    We need the government to Do Something!

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Actual notice outside of a hobby store where Magic: The Gathering tournaments are held.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    NORMAL grooming standards? Really? Have some respect for the trans-groomers.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Cis-groomers? I don't even know anymore.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    All this OFF TOPIC stuff, and I feel I'm disrespecting TONIE NATHAN
    A MOMENT OF SILENCE PLEASE

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Aleha ha-shalom.

    YOU ARE THE PRIMARY CULPRIT.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Sean Connery.
    In a wedding dress.

  • Warrren||

    Want to read at 600 WPM?

    http://www.spritzinc.com/about/

    Click on the circle that says click to spritz.

    Goddamn I feel like a spammer. In their FAQ they mention Atlas Shrugged...

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    unless there's a test about reading comprehension, I can't say if it works.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Does it work after jug wine?

  • Warrren||

    I've been drinking brandy lately, so that's a bit of a harder challenge.

  • RishJoMo||

    There is a dude that knows what time it is. Wow.

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