Tonight on The Independents: President Garrett Walker, Arizona’s Gay Discrimination Law, BitCoin’s Bummer, Young Americans for Liberty’s PAC, George W. Bush’s Art, Ask a Commie About Venezuela, and Sexy Aftershow!

Tonight's live episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network 9 pm ET, 6 pm PT, with repeats three hours later), will start with a discussion of Arizona's controversial Senate Bill 1062, which would allow businesses in the Copper State to discriminate against gays, even though they can totally already discriminate against gays. Chewing on the matter will be party panelists Deroy Murdock of National Review Online and Jehmu Greene of Define American. The two will also square off on the California hedge fund manager reportedly ready to throw $100 million of climate-change money into the U.S. political process, and a petition to get Charles Krauthammer removed from the Washington Post op-ed page for crimes against climate opinionizing.

President Garrett Walker, also known as House of Cards actor Michel Gill, will be on to talk about his show, and cynicism in politics. Young Americans for Liberty Executive Director and former Ron Paul campaign official Jeff Frazee will talk about his political action committee’s efforts to influence the 2014 elections. And everyone’s (least?) favorite commie, Jesse Myerson, will be on for another Ask a Communist segment, this time with more Venezuela.

Send your tweets to @IndependentsFBN throughout, hashtag #indFBN, and remember to stay tuned for the sexy online-only after show, streamed on the show website just after 10 pm.

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  • Sevo||

    AFAIK, I've never heard Katy Perry, but she's done a vid that pisses off fundy Muslims, so I'm in her fan club:
    "Katy Perry under fire for ‘Dark Horse’ video"
    [...]
    "”This is the reason for lodging the petition so that people from different walks of life, different religions and from different parts of the world, agree that the video promotes blasphemy (sic)."

    And then, according to the comments:
    "Racism seems to be her niche. Makes sense for someone who performs privately for the Koch brothers."
    So I'm the new Prez of the local chapter!
    http://blog.sfgate.com/dailydi.....rse-video/

  • Anonymous Coward||

    d from different parts of the world, agree that the video promotes blasphemy (sic)."

    If Allah were so troubled by blasphemy, you would think he'd have done something about it by now.

  • Sevo||

    Well, you know. He's got a lot of thugs in his employ.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    It's even worse! Perry is the daughter of a minister and describes herself as "religious".

    She must be one of those "crusaders"!

  • JeremyR||

    Reading the youtube comments on it from muslims are hilarious.

    And even better are the comments from crazy people about the Illuminati.

  • JeremyR||

    Then again, what's not hilarious is that muslims just murdered 60 people at a college, just for going to college.

  • ||

    This guy has his priorities straight:

    Jeffrey Wilkins 21 minutes ago

    why isn't this video in html 5?
  • Francisco d Anconia||

    WWYD?

    Couple Discovers $10M In Gold Coins In Rusty Can

    An anonymous California couple in Gold Country found $10 million worth of gold coins in rusty cans buried in the the hollow of an old tree. The find, nicknamed the Saddle Ridge Hoard, could be the largest treasure find in U.S. history.

    I'd stay very quiet about it until I had a nice long chat with a lawyer.

  • Sevo||

    F,
    According the the story in the Chron, they found them about a year ago, and all communication is through their lawyer.
    Seems they did just that, but the story has a bit of a whiff about it, wouldn't you say?

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Yeah, I'm wondering if they actually found it on their property?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    They did do that. I'd be damned sure because who knows what bullshit laws the government could invoke to confiscate the gold.

    As it is they'll just have to be grateful for whatever amount is leftover after the government takes its cut of the proceeds.

  • Tejicano||

    I would not be surprized to see the gov't step in and say that all monetary gold was supposed to have been turned in back in 1933 so this is US property.

  • SPG_900||

    In the U(SS)K, the Government actually gets a large cut, from what i can tell..

  • SPG_900||

    I remember now, a guy found a pile of roman coins next to a 2000 year old (buried) stone wall.

  • Tejicano||

    In the UK people who look for old coins with metal detectors always stop after they find the first one in any given field. One coin is considered just a coin. Two or more becomes some kind of historic discovery and all proceeds go to the state.

    A buddy of mine met a brit who had found a single coin worth something like US$70k. It took all the discipline he could muster to just walk away from the dig at that point.

  • From the Tundra||

    Fuck that. Dig 'em up and learn the fine art of smuggling.

  • From the Tundra||

    Fuck that. Dig 'em up and learn the fine art of smuggling.

  • From the Tundra||

    Whoa, I'm seeing double already...

  • Sevo||

    "I would not be surprized to see the gov't step in and say that all monetary gold was supposed to have been turned in back in 1933 so this is US property."

    I would not be surprised if it was buried to thwart FDR's theft.

  • Tejicano||

    Exactly what I expect.

    If I found something like this I know what I would do and the US government would not be part of the picture.

  • Procrastinatus||

    +1000

    Even if it meant I didn't get to spend it, I'd make damn sure the government never got a hold of any of it.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    And everyone’s (least?) favorite commie, Jesse Myerson, will be on for another Ask a Communist segment, this time with more Venezuela

    Let me save us all the trouble of watching this crap: communist stooge immediately makes a bunch of equivocations about how capitalism made the US install right-wing dictatorships in Latin America that are worse than Venezuela. He'll talk about how the CIA is undermining the country in the name of corporate capitalism.

    Kmele will object by pointing out the failures of Venezuelan economic policies but communist stooge will deflect by talking about the poor in this country that have been exploited by capitalism and how Comrade Chavez would donate oil to help heath the homes of America's poor.

    Kennedy will make some semi-witty remarks and end the discussion. Matt says nothing.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    And nothing else happened.

  • Bam!||

    Let me save us all the trouble of watching this crap: communist stooge immediately makes a bunch of equivocations about how capitalism made the US install right-wing dictatorships in Latin America that are worse than Venezuela. He'll talk about how the CIA is undermining the country in the name of corporate capitalism.

    Sounds like he belongs on the call-in show.

  • Sevo||

    Yeah, the way this guy is treated is enough to make me watch paint dry instead of this talk show.
    He's a lying, slimy commie and deserves to have his hat handed to him instead of polite chuckles.

  • ||

    You forgot to add that he will (s)mug for the camera while using a definition of "capitalism" that has absolutely no actual relation to free markets.

  • ||

    Why are they giving this idiot time?

    Jeez, just grab one of the commenters here, give him or her a sock, and have them play the part of a commie.

    The guy is so insulting to guys like me who, you know, hold an actual Bachelors in history and anyone else with a strong grip of history and politics.

    Other than that, watching Green Lantern.

    Pretty meh.

  • ||

    I think you summed it up nicely. At first I wanted to see that halfwit get his ass kicked, but after hearing his arguments it kinda feels like picking on a retarded kid.

  • Sevo||

    Yeah, but they're giving the retarded kid airtime and no counterpoint.
    And if he's retarded, he's getting paid to be so.

  • Marc F Cheney||

    And everyone’s (least?) favorite commie, Jesse Myerson, will be on for another Ask a Communist segment, this time with more Venezuela

    Yeah, I think I'm going to pass on this episode.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    INDEPENDENTS ASSEMBLE!

  • playa manhattan||

    Just in time! I just got back from taking my kid to the lego movie. They have a bar at the theatre, which I wholeheartedly applaud.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

  • ||

    /hits fist into palm.

    When do we get to whack a leftie, boss?

    C'man!

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    San Francisco tech writer assaulted and robbed for wearing Google Glasses in a bar

    Tech writer Sarah Slocum wrote on her Facebook page that the attack took place on Friday while she was at Molotov’s, an establishment in the Haight-Ashbury neighborhood.

    “OMG so you’ll never believe this but… I got verbally and physically asaulted and robbed last night in the city,” Slocum wrote. “[I] had things thrown at me because of some wanker Google Glass haters, then some *bleeeeeeeeeep* tore them off my face and ran out with them then and when I ran out after him his *bleeeeeeep* friends stole my purse, cellphone walet and everything.”

    KPIX reported that Slocum was able to recover the $1,500 glasses, but that her purse and phone remain missing. She has since filed a police report and has promised to put pressure on the establishment.

    [snip]

    KPIX reported that she was using the function to show a friend how the glasses worked, but on her page, Slocum said she began recording after another patron used a vulgar gesture toward her.

    “What makes this story special is that no one has experienced a hate crime or been targeted for a hate crime, which is what it was, for wearing Google Glass,” Slocum wrote.

    It is kind of dickish to record people while they are trying to relax and over drinks. But civilized people would complain to the proprietor.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    A hate crime? Really?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    A hate crime against cyborgs.

  • seguin||

    We will never progress as a society if replicants aren't continually discriminated against with eye-scanners.

    Signed,
    Unit TK-421
    The Roy Batty Society

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • seguin||

    Pretty soon, cyber-snatchers will be wandering the halls of the Coalition's mega-cities, butchering the organically-challenged for their shiny bits.

  • playa manhattan||

    Would you complain in that order? "I got verbally and physically asaulted and robbed"? C'mon.

  • seguin||

    Maybe she was trying to build dramatic tension.

  • Sevo||

    "It is kind of dickish to record people while they are trying to relax and over drinks. But civilized people would complain to the proprietor."

    Whoever has a 'phone has a camera and likely a vid recorder.
    Like it or not, once you're outside your home, smile: you're are on candid camera. So you get to act like it or get whatever.

  • Acosmist||

    And if they point it at you, you'd get pissed. Which they did! WHAT A USEFUL DISCUSSION THIS HAS BEEN

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    But violence against women is apparently okay because she's rich and writes about tech issues for the evil capitalist Silicon Valley.

    See comments:


    OtterQueen • 2 hours ago
    No, you weren't attacked for wearing Google Glass, you were attacked for being an asshole with your Google Glass.

    kiboshki SirLee_V • an hour ago
    This was a "hate" crime only in the vacuous sense of "haters gonna hate."

    Please let's not diminish the real meaning of hate crime by colloquially conflating crimes committed because "someone is bothering you" with those committed because of genuine, malicious prejudice.

    TheSailor • 2 hours ago
    Assholes aren't a protected class, asshole.

    RottenJohnny • 3 hours ago
    Gee, does the bitch think for one second some people are fucking tired of jerks invading both their space and privacy?

  • seguin||

    It wouldn't be San Francisco without the rationalization of violence against TEH RITCH.

  • KPres||

    Seems obvious to me they hate her because she's white, not because she's rich.

  • Procrastinatus||

    Which is funny, because probably 95% of the people of San Francisco would be considered "rich" to the average Joe here in rural Arkansas. They are The Man.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    It's even more dickish to insist that this is a hate crime.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    STOP GIVING MYERSON WORK!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Tonight, on The Independents, Judge Napolitano asks, "Hitler, was he really so bad?"

  • seguin||

    "Pol Pot, misunderstood or product of society?"

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    ...a libertarian perspective.

  • Sevo||

    Tonight, on The Independents, Myerson gets those hard-hitting questions that Larry King thought were vacuous!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Hoops.

  • Bam!||

    Hoops again? Ugh.

  • ||

    Same earrings as yesterday? Really, Kennedy?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    PEOPLE CAN MARRY WHOEVER THEY LIKE. As long as there isn't more than two in the mix.

  • ||

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Now thems sum hoops!

  • ||

    Matt looks like he took several Quaaludes about 10 minutes ago.

  • kibby||

    I couldn't put my finger on the dazed, thousand yard stare -- but I think you're right.

  • ||

    Look how quiet he's being. Of course I'm right.

  • playa manhattan||

    Are quaaludes even around anymore?

  • SIV||

    No, and they weren't around (in any quantity) during the time Wolf of Wall Street was set either.

    The Chinese ought to bring them back.

  • Marc F Cheney||

    Gunning for another shout-out on Two Minutes of Hate, are we?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Kmele looks dapper with that handkerchief in the jacket pocket.

  • Sevo||

    Quit hornin' in on Gilmore's turf...

  • ||

    Maybe the laser-like blue of Matt's tie confused him.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    There is always room on the style-knowledgeable side.

  • playa manhattan||

    GILMORE hits a double, and now everybody is all over his jock.

    Let's see him do it again.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Laws telling you what you CAN do.

    WTF?

  • seguin||

    FREEDOM (n.) : The ability to ask permission and take orders.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    What if you're dog cake baker, but then a cat walks into your shop?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Pussy's only good for six or seven at the most. And I'm sure it can't compare as far as taste.

  • playa manhattan||

    I see what you did there.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Quote Sweeney Todd?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Quote Sweeney Todd?

  • ||

    There are no cats in America (and the streets are paved with cheese).

  • seguin||

    That's why we sail the seas.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    This is America, and we moved past the freedom of association.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    You lost me. That's because you are stupid.

  • SIV||

  • seguin||

    So, I have 2-1 odds Myerson gets the puppy gloves again.

  • ||

    The Democrat lady says words, but they don't mean anything.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    THIS IS AMERICA, WE'VE MOVED PAST THOUGHTFUL CONTEMPLATION.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Huh, Welch is a statist. I didn't realize.

  • Bam!||

    Frenchie wife. Should've known.

  • SIV||

    Duh...He's Editor in Chief of The American Journal of Cosmotarianism.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Will someone please say something about cocktail parties so I don't have to?

  • ||

    I still haven't been invited one and I think I'm pretty solidly cosmotarian, AND I live close to Reason's west coast hq.

  • playa manhattan||

    Like them on Facebook and donate money. You'll get invited to shit every week.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    No, Matt, no.

  • Bam!||

    Don't deflect with humor, Democrat lady.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    No, ITS JUST ARIZONA

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    By the time I get to...

    And the fact that wasn't the first intro should lead to a public stoning, all sharia-like.

  • Bam!||

    Recognizing religious freedom and freedom of association is codifying bigotry.

  • ||

    Kennedy takes control with an iron fist.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Answer the question bitch. Do you want to be forced to serve a KKK member?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    No one is going to arrest you for not baking a cake, unless you continue to not bake that cake.

  • playa manhattan||

    Not a good time to go into the cake baking business. I've moved my investments elsewhere.

  • playa manhattan||

    Longest on topic so far.

  • ||

    What did I miss? I was throwing together some soda bread to go with the beef stew that's been slow cooking all day.

  • Bam!||

    BasicTalk's teacup guy looks like a coked up hipster Robin Williams.

  • Ska||

    So, hipster old Robin Williams (which I guess means young Robin Williams with square frames).

  • ||

    If you're going to use Weezer as the bumper, at lease use "Everybody Get Dangerous". Jeez.

  • kibby||

    Aw, is Matt no longer doing any air drumming? Way to embarrass him, you meanies!

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    You've heard his Arbor Day song, right?

  • kibby||

    ...I'm just going to back away before you scar me for life somehow.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Well, you're lucky that particular video is private on Welch's youtube account.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    You know who else had a Germanic name?

  • Bam!||

    Dr. Strangelove?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Beowulf?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Hans Gruber?

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Otto von Bismarck?

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    FREE SPEECH!

    /prog

  • playa manhattan||

    What scientific training, other than medical school, does this Charles Krauthammer fellow have?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I know. There's no AGW. IT'S SETTLED.

  • GILMORE||

    Welch = The Tie Works.

    "And Matthew Said that He Shall Evenly Distribute The Sweets Amongst the Attending Members of the Party, And There Was Much Rejoicing."

  • ||

    Look at Matt's tie. Then look at Kmele's. And then look at Murdock's. It's a veritable procession of insanity.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    OMG, WELCH.

  • ||

    Is the Post seriously considering pulling Krauthammer's article?

  • playa manhattan||

    It would be stupid to now. Everybody is going to be talking about it.

  • kibby||

    I guess the ludes wore off.

  • ||

    Yeah but now Kmele's Valium is kicking in.

  • kibby||

    They really need to start sharing with us.

  • ||

    Right after Kennedy's amphetamines start to take effect.

  • kibby||

    So...clearly you're the person dealing these things to them.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Look at the big brain on Deroy! Defining the scientific method all correct and shit!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Jehmu is about to tell us how she feels Global Warming exists.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Kennedy will not stand for straw man.

  • ||

    Wow, Jehmu is a seriously disingenuous shit, isn't she? At least she pissed Kennedy off.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I'm actually glad she's here because she got everyone involved in deflating her bullshit.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I'm actually glad she's here because she got everyone involved in deflating her bullshit.

  • ||

    Yeah, she was dishonest enough that Kennedy actually yelled at her. So there's that, at least.

  • GILMORE||

    Whatever sins Matt may have ever committed with his attire....

    ...this guest has combined some kind of patterned jacket with a paisley tie, and I am increasingly convinced that if I squint it will project a 3D image of the Washington Monument.

  • ||

    AHEM. Look above a few comments.

  • ||

    Kmele is a consensus builder!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    No! Foster, don't play peacemaker. Let them go ape.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Cray-cray? ARE YOU A FUCKING TODDLER?!?!?

  • kibby||

    Hey, man, she's hip! She's cool! She's with it!

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    The fuck it's not about free speech.

    Just because it's not the government doesn't mean it's okay to squash dissent.

  • sarcasmic||

    I've always thought Krauthammer looked like Douglass Adam's description of Ford Prefect.

    "His skin seemed to be pulled backwards from the nose."

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    You know he's paralyzed, right?

  • sarcasmic||

    Ford or Charles?

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Krauthammer.

    I didn't know it for years. He's confined to a wheelchair.

  • playa manhattan||

    Seriously?
    I'm going to google.

  • playa manhattan||

    Holy shit. That explains why he went into psychiatry. Couldn't do any hands on medicine...

  • sarcasmic||

    Did not know that. Interesting. Still, I don't see how his paralysis matters WRT the Hitchhiker's reference. Unless you mean because he's in a wheelchair I can't make fun of his face.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    I just always thought his gestures were a little fucked up, but now I give him the benefit of the doubt.

    Don't know if it affects his face? But remember how Christopher Reeve's face got all fucked up after he got crippled?

  • sarcasmic||

    And you know who else was confined to a wheelchair?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Welch knows to shut his pie hole immediately when Kennedy talks. We know the alpha at the table.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Kennedy already beat Welch in hand to hand combat, forced him to submit, then mounted him to prove her supremacy to the rest of the pack.

    The only left is to make him hold her purse.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    then mounted him to prove her supremacy to the rest of the pack.

    Pics or GTFO.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Ritual libertarian combat cannot be recorded or captured. A side effect two or more libertarians gathering in the same place is the production of high concentrations of Minovsky particles.

  • ||

    Soul Coughing as the bumper now? Please just stick with Weezer.

  • GILMORE||

    There is such incredible bullshit about the "consensus regarding 'Global Warming'": as noted the 'acknowledged truth' of 15yrs ago has since been "proven" entirely false by actual observations of temperature changes over the last decade. Even if you've been 100% in the bag over the "Obvious Truth" of Global Warming, the actual 'content' of that Obvious Truth has been a moving target. Pretending there's some kind of single 'fact' being disputed is rhetorical bullshit.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    So, keeping score, Welch doesn't quite agree with property rights for businesses but is a closet AGW alarmist.

  • SIV||

    I've been telling you people for years but no one wants to hear it.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Well, I guess only one of the two involves unacceptable government coercion at the moment. So, I guess that's something.

  • GILMORE||

    Last night the Independents committed a SoundCrime by playing Green Day.

    Tonight, we have our ears raped by Soul Coughing.

    I am considering a class-action lawsuit for poor taste. I blame Welch.

  • sarcasmic||

    I like that song!

  • GILMORE||

    This was noted below.

    I will let Doughty know people somewhere still like his stuff.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    At least Welch gave a shout out to P. Funk on Hit 'n Run. Gillespie's musical tastes are an abyss of shit.

  • Raymond Luxury Yach-t||

    P Funk. Uncut Funk. The Bomb.

  • GILMORE||

    Clones of Dr Funkenstein vs. Mothership Connection

    Discuss.

    (IMHO 'Clones' is in fact the better album, despite Mothership being the 'dark side' of their oeuvre - the one everyone knows, owns, loves)

  • ||

    You're just pulling up my rear tonight, aren't you. Look up a few comments. Again.

  • GILMORE||

    Quit your whining old man. I don't look backward = I look *forward*.

  • sarcasmic||

    At least they play decent music on the breaks. Kennedy is good for something.

    Move uh-side and let the mango through, let the mango through...

  • GILMORE||

    Mango?

    Fuck, its bad enough that its *soul coughing*.... but then you have to make it *worse*

  • sarcasmic||

    You don't like mango habenero salsa?

  • GILMORE||

  • GILMORE||

    If we are going to get the communist again, I demand blood.

  • ||

    What actor does this guy remind me of?

  • kibby||

    A generic one?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    That one guy.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Jesse Eisenberg?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

  • ||

    No, I'm thinking someone who looks like an older version of him now, but plays background roles.

    Although young Gary Busey was surprisingly close.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    The guy from that Molly Ringwald movie.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    That one guy from that thing.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Or this guy?

    Sweep the leg Johnny.

  • ||

    Whoa, that's surprisingly close.

  • kibby||

    Try & look more like a bro, guy.

  • ||

    He looks like he has rubber skin, like a T-600.

  • kibby||

    STOP STALKING ME.

  • ||

    Listen, and understand. That bro is out there. He can't be bargained with. He can't be reasoned with. He doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And he absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are bored as shit.

  • kibby||

    Is it up to me to protect the world against this bro?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Come with me if you want to get away from douchebaggery.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    They're just trying to find candidate who never talked about rape and didn't write any newsletters.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    It's pronounced Ya-al.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    So, Socons who shut the fuck up about it?

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    I like him.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    If only he had a mustache.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Womb broom.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I just want to reiterate that Welch's Arbor Day song is a completely real thing.

  • GILMORE||

    "we've got a very diverse range of views.... uh, pro life...... second amendment.... we're all over the place"

    I smell revolution in the air.

  • SIV||

  • SIV||

    I'll note that Polis looks like he may be a "libertarian-leaning Democrat"

  • Winston||

    "libertarian-leaning Democrat"

    He wants to increase spending 99% instead of 100%?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Why is this guy in the healthcare commercial squinting into the camera?

  • Derpetologist||

    I see the prog is giving a good example of what I call the Glass Pipe Fallacy- it makes sense if you've been smoking crack.

  • ||

    Bottomless mimosa brunches.

    Thank your nearest homo for that, breeders.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Kmele and I are so going to a titty bar.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    You want Bubba on that TV set, you need Bubba on that TV set.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Can you imagine the after party?

  • ||

    You know who else was a mediocre painter?

  • Bam!||

    Bob Ross?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH. He served our country in Vietnam and killed all the Charlie for your freedom.

  • Bam!||

    ... and was a mediocre painter.

  • ||

    My mom has a fine arts degree from Pratt (useless!) and every time I'd be flipping around the channels, if Bob Ross came on she'd get pissed off because he did everything wrong. Like, she'd get quite annoyed.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    He made things that looked like things. That's art.

  • RightofCenter||

    He held his own against Pablo Picasso:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGN5xaQkFk0

  • John C. Randolph||

    Bob Ross painted beautiful images. Your mom was wrong.

    -jcr

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Professional artists tend to despise Bob Ross because his techniques are accessible to the masses. A buddy of mine took a one-day Ross class, with no real painting experience since high school art, and produced a pretty bitchin'-looking landscape.

  • ||

    I wonder how they are going to feel when they find out that renaissance painters used optics to color by numbers.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    You know who else would have been better off if he had just stuck with painting instead of politics?

  • Derpetologist||

    Every politician ever?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Song Dynasty Emperor Zhao Ji?

  • sarcasmic||

    Nice!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    In other news, he locked up thirty-seven people based on a dream he had last night.

  • Bam!||

    Kennedy needs to use her accents more often.

  • GILMORE||

    One day Kmele is going to have a shrunken human head for a lapel pin and NO ONE WILL ASK WHY

  • kibby||

    Would you dare ask him?

  • GILMORE||

    I have questioned his lapel pins daily. IT IS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.

  • Kmele||

    The lapel pins are frivolous aesthetic indulgences... I see it, I like it, I shove it in the button hole of my jacket. Also -- you guys (and gals) are wonderful.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Kmele's here! **squeeeeeee**

    But thanks, despite the shit we give you most of us think this is a great show to have on the air. Keep it up.

  • Kmele||

    I feel the love and mostly deserve the ribbing

  • GILMORE||

    " I see it, I like it, I shove it in the button hole of my jacket."

    VENIT
    VIDET
    GERIT

    HAIL, KMELE

  • Derpetologist||

    OT: Hate crimes unit called in because of Qu'ran damaged in burglary:

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014.....aged-items

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Welch, no. Don't.

  • kibby||

    Nope, there is the terrible air drumming. He's done being embarrassed about it already.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Can you imagine how awkward Matt would be surfing?

  • kibby||

    I imagine Matt is pretty awkward when he does anything. He might drown if he tried surfing.

  • GILMORE||

    Actually, underneath his cheap pink shirt he's a ripped and oiled machine that makes the movie 300 seem almost heterosexual

  • ||

    makes the movie 300 seem almost heterosexual

    UNPOSSIBLE!

  • kibby||

    300 got the gayness right, though. That's how the Spartans rolled, man.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Still had nothing on those Thebeans, though.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Thebans, even.

  • kibby||

    Band of Thebes reference for the win!

    (The fact that all of you guys know these ridiculous references is why I love this place so much.)

  • ||

    Is the Band of Thebes that obscure?

  • kibby||

    Outside of Classics majors & maybe some random History majors, I've yet to meet anyone around here who knows them.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Know? You missed the day where we debated if Warty was the erastes and Epi was the eromenos or the other way around.

  • ||

    I was wondering "Who are The Beans?".

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    The cool ones, Suthen, the cool ones.

  • Tejicano||

    I'm so long away from US culture that I figured it was some hipster band I didn't want to know about.

  • playa manhattan||

    A Texan Mexican living in Japan? You are US culture.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Ironically in the movie Leonidas disparagingly calls the Athenians 'boy-lovers'.

  • ||

    I thought Spartans were youth on youth and the Athenians were pederasts.

  • kibby||

    I could dig out a book & look this up, but I'm lazy. Sorry!

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Define "youth".

  • ||

    Not little boy, but not married with kids.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Yep, that's Sparta...but not Thebes, which was totally down with adult men fucking...all the time...everywhere.

  • ||

    Thebes, which was totally down with adult men fucking...all the time...everywhere.

    Proving yet again that I was born in the wrong time and place.

  • ||

    That's because the 'ludes wore off. Matt normally likes to go up on coke and down on heroin, but he's been venturing into more pills lately.

  • GILMORE||

    Matt, the answer "No" is generally preferred to, "Boogie Board?"

    And if someone asks, "Hey, did you used to skate back in the day?".... Don't be like, "No, but I rollerblade!"

  • playa manhattan||

    I hope this makes the 2 minutes of hate.

  • GILMORE||

    I doubt it. It fails to include the question, "Do you surf, Matt?"... too complicated.

  • Bam!||

    How exactly would you know if your casket failed? Seems like that warrant is a scam.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Goddammit, is this going to be spoiler laden?

  • ||

    Should I be watching House of Cards? If so UK or US?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I've never seen the US version, but I loved the UK version.

  • ||

    HOUSE OF CADS?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    HOUSE OF CODS

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    BLOUSE OF COCKS

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    LOUSE OF CARBS

  • GILMORE||

    That's what Arnold Schwarzenegger calls it.

  • GILMORE||

    That's the closed-captioned title in Boston

  • ||

    Did everyone else laugh when he pushed her into that train?

    The comedic timing was almost as good as a Wild E Coyote Cartoon.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    NO SPOILERS

    Nah go ahead, I don't watch.

  • GILMORE||

    Where's the goddamn communist?

  • Winston||

    With the Goddamn Batman?

  • kibby||

    & Lex Luthor's 42 cakes?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I thought it was 40 cakes?

  • kibby||

    Ah, crap. I think you're right. My head is clearly in Douglas Adams territory tonight.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I'm not proud to correct your geeky references because it makes me seem more geeky than you, which is not the case.

    So shape up, missy!

  • Winston||

    And that's terrible...

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Fuck you, Independents. Sound off for this segment.

  • Bam!||

    So that wasn't acting on House of Cards, he actually is that boring.

  • ||

    Why don't you have someone from Veep on instead? It's more accurate.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I'd love to see Tony Hale or the actor who plays Jonah.

  • Derpetologist||

    Here's the thing about House of Cards- the guy is willing to lie, cheat, etc., just so he can become vice president?

    If you're going to be ruthless, why not aim a little higher?

  • ||

    This guy could've totally played Gaius Baltar, no?

  • kibby||

    James Callis was amazing! & very tiny, evidently. I stepped on him at Comic Con & was surprised to not have to adjust my eye line at all.

  • ||

    I don't know, is he a narcissistic megalomaniac that was responsible for the deaths of billions?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Responsible? No man is responsible for his behavior when he's given the opportunity to frak Number 6.

  • seguin||

    Or get some arnal sex in the locker room.

  • ||

    The proper answer to "favorite fictional president" is always President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.

  • Derpetologist||

    And what's Merkin Muffly, chopped liver?

    "I'm sorry, too, Dmitri... I'm very sorry... *All right*, you're sorrier than I am, but I am as sorry as well... I am as sorry as you are, Dmitri! Don't say that you're more sorry than I am, because I'm capable of being just as sorry as you are... So we're both sorry, all right?... All right."

  • seguin||

    He will be if he gets in the way of Dwayne.

  • playa manhattan||

    Kmele looks ready to kill. I hope he doesn't let me down.

  • GILMORE||

    WE WANT COMMUNIST BLOOD

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Oh shit! I finally get it. Myerson isn't real. He's like an Andy Kaufman character, right? RIGHT?

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Get out now before LOU DOBBS

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    That Google Hangout at work guy is a fucking douchebag.

  • playa manhattan||

    Do you have different commercials? I have mycleanpc and razors....

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I'm watching the internet stream through FOX's site, if that helps.

  • playa manhattan||

    Yeah, you aren't getting the old people ads. Walk in bath tubs and coffin vaults so far...

  • Bam!||

    Ask the communist, more like jerk off the communist.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Who nailed this at the top?

    What a fuck this guy is.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Ugh, this is this guy's ability? Because I don't have need for this.

  • GILMORE||

    INTENTIONS

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Oh if we only we could find some REAL Bolivarian revolutionaries! Then we could give them total power and things would be different!

  • ||

    Is it some kind of requirement for anyone claiming to be a Communist to look like a complete and unadulterated douchebag? I'm assuming the smirk is just a bonus.

  • MJGreen||

    I'm assuming the smirk is just a bonus.

    Hey, he's in his late 20s. He knows what's what, so the smirk is justified.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Yeah, Foster, you're going to get this asshole to admit Socialism don't work.

  • playa manhattan||

    Jesse, is that guy setting off your gaydar?

  • ||

    Totes.

    I'd hit it too.

  • playa manhattan||

    Hopefully a hate fuck.

  • ||

    OOh, hands on hips, deffo plays for team gay.

    Nah. People think my politics are crazy and are willing to put up with me. As long as dinner doesn't end with someone screaming "If you don't like Obama, you love George Bush" I'm pretty ok with people holding asinine political views.

    And yes. That happened.

  • Marshall Gill||

    As long as dinner doesn't end with someone screaming "If you don't like Obama, you love George Bush" I'm pretty ok with people holding asinine political views.

    And yes. That happened.

    You had dinner with the Shrieking Imbecile? I am so sorry, dude.

  • ||

    More a bad drunk who drank A LOT. We dated for a year and the dramatics while drunk just kept getting worse. We only got political the one time because he couldn't get an emotional reaction out of me over it.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    No shame. There are Greenpeace girls I'd happily do. As long as I am able to see what her hands are doing.

  • Wandering Texan||

    HIT'EM HARD, CHUCKLEHEADS! DON'T LET HIM RETREAT!

  • GILMORE||

    Oh, Damn? Matt doesn't throw softballs?

    BEAT HIM OVER THE HEAD WITH FACTS. He's trying to smother you with words.

  • Bam!||

    You ask the communist a question, get his dumbass answer, and then just move on. The fuck?

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

    I don't watch the show; I just read the comments.

  • MJGreen||

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    My first time watching this idiot. Life expectancy has shot up the past 200 years because of publicly funded medical research? What a moron.

  • Bam!||

    I don't want you to ask a communist. I want you to beat a communist.

  • playa manhattan||

    "It's not my area of expertise." What is? I think I already know the answer.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Well looks like I was mostly write in predicting this segment, right down to Kennedy's half-witticism.

  • Bam!||

    You nearly nailed the first part.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    That conversation was way too civil. Myerson is the Platonic ideal of the banality of evil made manifest in flesh. He deserves nothing more than derision.

  • GILMORE||

    He's like, "Yeah, you know, I'm not like an expert on that, but like, I'm totally sure that poor people are better off without toilet paper, but did I mention I worked for howard dean? you know, its like totally an evolving position and stuff, but like, its obvious that maduro was fairly elected and like, false consciousness but, hey if I keep talking maybe no one will contradict me, so like, you know, Clinton..."

  • playa manhattan||

    I stopped listening after he mentioned that he supported Howard Dean in high school.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Why do you guys treat this dipshit with kid gloves? He's a communist. You need to bury this fuck.

    Candy-asses!

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I think I'm going to start my own T-shirt business. The shirt will say:

    MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE, PUNCH A COMMIE IN THE FACE

    With a picture of Che with a blackened eye.

  • playa manhattan||

    Copyright 2014 Playa Manhattan. Who wants to invest?

  • Bam!||

    Kickstarter it. I bet it would get funding.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    The time stamp clearly shows who thought of it first. But I'll just Winklevoss you and sue you for intellectual property theft after you build this into an empire.

  • playa manhattan||

    Thank you for noting when the copyright was timestamped. You were in Carson today?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    No but the blimp flew over my house. I believe the Goodyear blimp is based in Carson.

  • playa manhattan||

    It is. Right next to the 405. Impossible to get tickets.

  • GILMORE||

    Blah blah blah blah I'm totally reasonable blah blah blah Mao was great blah blah blah Booosh blah blah blah I was totally democrat once blah blah blah you know I'm reasonable blah blah blah Capitalism is theft and soviet deaths are lies blah blah

  • kibby||

    Thank you for the transcription. My brain shuts down when his smug face shows up on the screen.

  • ||

    Really, what is the point of having an idiot like Myerson on if not to use him as a punching bag? Seriously, Matt, what are you achieving other than letting him obfuscate, misrepresent, and smirk? I may have to have a smirkectomy after that segment.

  • MJGreen||

    And, I assume, give him a paycheck. This is getting downright scandalous.

  • playa manhattan||

    I assume the honorarium for appearing on The Independents is in the single digits.

  • MJGreen||

    Even paying him with a meatball sub is too much.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    RED PEN DOWN.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Foster rubs his wiener on bitcoin.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Keeping it Kmele isn't a Kennedy-free zone.

  • playa manhattan||

    Cut Kennedy's mic please.

  • Marc F Cheney||

    You know what this show needs? More right-wing fundamentalists.

  • MJGreen||

    Christ, shut it Kennedy. We know you're there.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    AH! Lou Dobbs.

  • BigT||

    INDEPENDENTS DISPERSE

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

  • kibby||

    Pretty sure I'm wasting my time trying to deal with the after show, but it's just so tempting...

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Ugh, the live stream. More frustrating than that time I burned both my palms as a teen.

  • seguin||

    You need to use more lube.

  • Bam!||

    Brought back the fucking communist.

  • kibby||

    I really just want to pour rotting liquids all over him & his stupid face.

  • Bam!||

    Twitter questions instead of call-in. No more call-in show, which they still haven't uploaded.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Someone tweet a question to @kennedynation

  • kibby||

    Anyone but Epi.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    How does one access the live stream?

  • Bam!||

  • safety third||

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Ah, thank you.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I mean, there is no "watch now" link at the top of the page.

  • ||

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    What a fucking idiot.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Ha! Foster nailed Myerson at his own game. "What is theft in a world where there is no property?"

  • Sevo||

    GILMORE|2.25.14 @ 9:56PM|#
    "Blah blah blah blah I'm totally reasonable blah blah blah Mao was great blah blah blah Booosh blah blah blah I was totally democrat once blah blah blah you know I'm reasonable blah blah blah Capitalism is theft and soviet deaths are lies blah blah"

    And they let him get away with it. Exactly how is this show different from Larry King giving Uri Geller a free pass?

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Answer the fucking question commie.

  • GILMORE||

    please fire the communist and get someone who knows what they fuck they're talking about. This guy seems to think he's a fucking expert when in fact he's a goddamn theatre major with pretentions towards some kind of political knowledge. Any time he's asked to answer a direct question, he launches into some kind of "blar blah blar some wonky academic once said that maybe"

    FUCK YOU, YOU PRETENTIOUS MORON!?
    OF COURSE YOU DONT KNOW WHAT COMMUNISM WOULD LOOK LIKE

  • kibby||

    You scare me when you're angry.

  • GILMORE||

    I have a very low (no... zero) tolerance for smug

    Bo Cara brings it out too.

  • MJGreen||

    Seriously. Get a real communist if you must. But this kid has just read some books (or, probably, excerpts or summaries of books). He's no more qualified to speak about this stuff with authority than I am on libertarianism or economics. He is good for nothing more than spouting this stuff on a message board.

  • GILMORE||

    He's a 'twitter-'llectual'

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Seriously. Get a real communist if you must.

    An entire nation of colleges full of professors that are no-shit communists who, at the very least, possess academic knowledge on the subject, and who becomes the face of The Revolution? A twenty-something snot who wouldn't last a week in a real job.

  • seguin||

    Sounds pretty appropriate to me. Just ignorant enough to not care if the Revolution doesn't turn out the way he planned, but just vicious enough to kill lots of people anyway.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Never go full commie.

  • GILMORE||

    This kid giggles and hems and haws on the graves of millions

  • ||

    It sounds more like he wants everyone to live on a kibbutz more than anything.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I know, right? It's not like Myerson doesn't have "right of return". Go live in a kibbutz and leave us the fuck alone.

  • ||

    His talking points don't line up with what he actually wants. It's very odd to see him rant the way he does.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.

  • Bam!||

    Yeah, Matt, you have commie experience, fucking school the dipshit.

  • MJGreen||

    Real-world experience isn't that important. He's read Marx, man.

  • GILMORE||

    I bet dollars to donuts if given a fucking *multiple choice* quiz on Marx he'd fail

  • Sevo||

    I'm sure he's certain Groucho wrote it.

  • MJGreen||

    Matt is very happy that he can say shit on the livestream.

    Shit.

    SHIT.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I get the impression if Welch hadn't seen communism first hand he would be a communist. That's right, Welch. That's how low you sank in my eyes tonight.

  • Sevo||

    Not sure, but I am pretty sure Matt is 'way more taken with the chance to end up with his mug on national TV than he is about supporting a POV.
    Sorta looks like he's weighed the costs of landing on the sleaze bag and is frightened he might lose his gig.

  • Bam!||

    Gotta free him from his hunger! Then Matt will be a debater.

  • Sevo||

    Yeah, just like Larry King was one day gonna throw more than batting-practice fast-balls.

  • GILMORE||

    HE HAS A GODDAMN THEATRE DEGREE.

    FROM *BARD*.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    UTOPIA?!?!?!?!?!?!

  • GILMORE||

    "I'm speaking as an IDIOT, you understand..."

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    He aspires to some (thankfully) unattainable abstract.

  • MJGreen||

    I see the reason for the Kmele love around here. He may be added to my shortlist of dudes I'd go gay for.

  • Bam!||

    Communist doesn't understand. No surprise.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    For what the shit, Woodhouse. You're arguing with a guy who doesn't even realize what communism would actually mean. And certainly doesn't understand human nature.

  • Bam!||

    He's so insulated from the real world.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    AND HE'S TAKING ALL THE FUCKING RISK, ASSHOLE!

  • kibby||

    How can anyone look at America & see a fucking OPPRESSED UNDERCLASS??? I just...I can't. Trying so hard to not scream at my computer screen now.

  • safety third||

    I've seen markov bots more coherent than this guy.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    No, Myerson, you are not "highly educated".

  • kibby||

    In bullshit & smarminess, maybe.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    That's his innate animal cunning and instinct.

  • kibby||

    Oh, but that would give him an advantage over other beasts. He should train himself to not have those because ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL MAN.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    He's a capable bullshit artist, so that must count for something.

  • Irish||

    Did he actually call HIMSELF highly educated? What sort of a miserable, pathetic narcissist calls himself highly educated?

  • GILMORE||

    THEATRE DEGREE. BARD

  • Bam!||

    This commie is just retarded. He has no real theory, he just throws dumb shit against the wall, and immediately moves on when someone tries to call him on it.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Communism never brought us starving children.

  • kibby||

    Just dead ones.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    It's not Lenin's fault if they could navigate the breadlines.

  • kibby||

    Or that they were just so much fun to crush into bloody pulps with those snappy military boots.

  • ||

    I have to wonder what motivates one to adhere to communism. Myerson is just trolling I think. His arguments are like smoke, but he got his insufferable ass on TV.

  • Sevo||

    And Matt won't do anything about it.

  • MJGreen||

    As a struggling artist, do we really need even more artists? The whole problem is that the supply is way greater than demand, not that artists are being exploited. This is like saying, "law students are struggling to hone their craft, but they have to work shitty jobs instead!"

    Fucking commies want to actually die on the hill of, "we have a sub-optimal number of artists!!"?

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    BULLSHIT! There are no children who go to bed hungry in America. What a lying shit-heel.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    There are, but that's not because there isn't enough food for them. It's because their parents are neglecting them.

  • safety third||

    Uhmmm. Apparently capitalism is evil because High Frequency Trading.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I'm not watching, is he even worse than on the actual show? Are they challenging him more combatively?

  • Bam!||

    Kemle debated the commie more than on the actual show. But the commie made the show thing very incoherent. He doesn't really have a point, just a smirk.

  • Irish||

    Amanda Marcotte argues it's okay for prosecutors to a arrest a rape victim to coerce her testimony.

    The sad, unavoidable truth is that we have to decide what's more important to us: putting abusive men in jail or letting their victims opt out of cooperating with the prosecution as they see fit.

    Yes, who wouldn't want to live in a society in which traumatized rape victims can be imprisoned for not testifying?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    And let Rustin Cohle interrogate her while we're at it:

    "The newspapers are going to be very hard on you. And prison is very tough on women too weak to assert themselves. If you get the opportunity you should kill yourself."

  • ||

    I loved that scene.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    It says something about that show when that scene counted as the comic relief for the evening.

  • Irish||

    My favorite line so far in that show is when Rust steals cocaine from the evidence locker by replacing it with flour and as he's walking out he says "You know, we should really have a better system for this."

    I also like when Marty shoots a handcuffed man in the face and Rust says "Well, nice to see you finally commit to something."

    Goddammit, Rust is awesome.

  • kibby||

    Well, clearly women are incapable of making decisions for themselves. We require feminists to do it for us; they know what's best, after all.

    Anyone who subscribes to the idea that women need to be told what to do, what to think & how to conduct their private affairs should do the world a favor & jump off a very tall building. You are making things SO MUCH WORSE for the rest of us, who have brains in our heads.

  • Irish||

    You should stop worrying your pretty little head and let far left feminists make your decisions for you.

  • kibby||

    Gosh, you're right. But I need to find something to fill up all that free time I'll have without the pressures of personal responsibility.

    Unfortunately, since all I'm free to do is have sex, I need Obamacare to start paying for my birth control! You guys should be happy to support my vibrant sex life! Because if you don't, you just hate women.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Sorry sweetheart, Sandra Fluke already milked that angle for all its worth.

    But I'm sure you can find some other grievance you can ride to becoming a cipher for the left.

  • kibby||

    Well can't you think of one for me? I'm too busy painting my nails & drinking this Starbucks.

  • seguin||

    How about Creative Privilege? It's unfair that all these other people came up with these ideas first!

  • seguin||

    Got it...Grievance Privilege. Those people with grievances are oppressing you by having superior grievances.

  • ||

    I'm only willing to pay for birth control if it's permanent. If people want to volunteer to get snipped, I'll put money in the pot to make it happen.

    Someday I'll force some of my orphans into web development and get snipstarter.com off the ground.

  • kibby||

    Women aren't allowed to make that decision unless we've already had at least two children. How fucked up is that?

  • Tejicano||

    You're too late. Planned Parenthood is already on it.

    At least that's what it sounded like to me when I went in to ask what new options I might have as a young man (this was 1980). They did what they could to get me to go for a vasectomy ASAP.

  • ||

    Seriously? I thought they wouldn't snip men if they were without child.

    I might have to research this. I offered to pay for a family friend's son's vasectomy because he just had his two kids taken away by the state. She acted shocked and then asked if I'd really pay for it, but if I can get PP to do it, more's the better.

    No, I take that back. I would take pride in knowing I'd contributed to the significant betterment of the gene pool without having to go swimming myself.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Seriously? I thought they wouldn't snip men if they were without child.

    I had an AF doc try to pull that shit on me. I told him to mind his own fucking business. He snipped me, but required my wife's consent.

  • playa manhattan||

    I wished I had followed through last December.

  • Tejicano||

    I can't say what they do now, or if the two female counselors I talked to were ""going rogue", but I was in my early 20's and I don't remember anybody even asking me if I had kids yet - which I hadn't.

  • playa manhattan||

    You're old.

  • Tejicano||

    No shit.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    But I need to find something to fill up all that free time

    You could cook and clean.

  • ||

    Do we know if she's capable of this? Ever since they took home ec out of the schools lady-skills have been in serious decline.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    They took home ec out of schools?

    To what standard are women now measured against?

  • ||

    Holy shit. That is...unconscionable. Shocking to me, and that is really saying something.

    Great. A sociopath masquerading as a person who managed to get a gig as a prosecutor defended by an emotionally disturbed half-wit.

  • Sevo||

    Oh, well, did you know that oh, so market-oriented Consumer Reports thinks a car that takes hours to refuel is just ducky?

    "Although pricey, the Tesla Model S nabbed Consumer Reports’ Top Pick for Best Overall vehicle for its exceptional performance and its many impressive technological innovations."
    http://www.sfgate.com/default/.....266615.php

    I presume the ability to suck taxpayer money from the government figured strongly in this.

  • ||

    My father wants a Tesla. With his impressive ability to deny reality*, he says it's not a status car. He's also really excited that the car has firmware that can be upgraded making the car better with age. I pointed out that was true of all modern cars and he should stop being so easily spoon fed by salesmen to which my mother started cackling in the background.

  • Sevo||

    You need to ask if he's going to put a "Thank You" bumper sticker on it to thank all the taxpayers for buying it for him.

  • ||

    I'll tell him they're Obamaphones for the rich and watch him get really confused.

    He's a Fox News watching Republican.

  • ||

    "Obamaphones for the rich"

    That is gold.

  • Sevo||

    "He's a Fox News watching Republican."

    WAIT, WAIT!
    Have him cause brain aneurisms in Nor Cal: Send him here with a Fox News bumper sticker on a Tesla!
    Overload the medical care facilities with stress cases!

  • Cytotoxic||

    Well done Jesse. Well done.

  • ||

    Well done Jesse. Well done.

    Wait, you have a praise mode? Why did I never know this?

  • Cytotoxic||

    Only at the time of greatest need is it deployed.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Achievement Unlocked!

  • ||

    Achievement Unlocked!

    Huzzah!

  • playa manhattan||

    Mostly, he's doing the same things as alcohol, but in a less pleasurable way...

  • Gene||

    Obamaphones for the rich

    That's going to stick.

  • Almanian!||

    After one of my proggie friends was prattling on about his Amtrak vacation out west - incessantly, on Facebook - I finally noted, "Really glad to have subsidized your vacation."

    He stopped talking about it....

  • playa manhattan||

    Where is out west? Wyoming?

  • GILMORE||

    re: Jesse Myerson

    I am again reminded of this quote from the opening of "Crisis of Competence", on the current state of American Higher Education

    "...far too many college graduates have not learned to write effectively, they can not read and comprehend any reasonably complex book, they have not learned to reason, and their basic knowledge of the history and institutions of the society in which they live is lamentably poor."

    Living. Breathing. Case. In. Point.

  • kibby||

    People (as in more than one person) in my MENAS class this semester asked me if Pearl Harbor was during WWI.

    Welcome to college in the modern day. It's so depressing there are hardly even words.

  • ||

    Please tell me you're exaggerating. Of course, even 20 years ago I had a rude awakening when attempting to explain the physics concept of black body radiation in an anthropology class, and had to shut down someone really hard who wanted to accuse me of being racist. I think people have been stupid for a long time.

  • Irish||

    I once got into an argument with a girl in poli. sci. about 'buying locally.' I pointed out that if everyone did that we'd all be poorer because we'd be buying more expensive goods.

    Later in the class she was bitching about the Cuban trade embargo, so I said "I don't know what you're complaining about. All we're doing is helping the Cubans shop locally."

  • ||

    The person I was dealing with was actively, aggressively trying to find something to be offended by (an early member of TEAM OUTRAGE, obviously), and I really had to mock the fuck out of them to redirect the conversation away from "Epi is a racist because he said black and body". Good thing I'm really good at being an asshole.

    I'll be a snob and note that this happened at UConn and never at Johns Hopkins. Fuck, no one gives two shits about politics at Hopkins.

  • playa manhattan||

    Are you as old as Sevo?

  • ||

    How old is Sevo? I doubt it. Don't you have kids? That makes you way older than me no matter what the actual ages are.

  • Sevo||

    Episiarch|2.25.14 @ 11:10PM|#
    "How old is Sevo?"

    I was born nine months after the Nazis surrendered. It took me a while to make that connection, but it's easy to see now.

  • ||

    Want to teach my grandmother how to use the internet turn off her cell phone?

  • Sevo||

    "Want to teach my grandmother how to use the internet turn off her cell phone?"

    Soon as I teach Ms. Sevo to keep from butt-calling me.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Fuck, Sevo, you are almost as old as MY father.

  • playa manhattan||

    It's hard to guess your age, FdA. I just assumed that AF pilots retire in their early 40s.

  • Sevo||

    playa manhattan|2.25.14 @ 11:41PM|#
    "It's hard to guess your age, FdA. I just assumed that AF pilots retire in their early 40s."

    I can't believe I'm the oldest one posting; c'mon, old farts! 'Fess up!

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    I'll be 49 in March.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Well that makes you younger than my dad, so you're not that old.

  • kibby||

    GM, we're all old to you, don't lie.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I don't think I'm the youngest regular here, am I? In any case the Linkin Park comment you made would indicate you are...30ish?

    Not old at all!

  • kibby||

    You're pretty young. Irish is older than you, yeah?

    Please don't remind me that thirty is looming in my near future.

  • ||

    Please don't remind me that thirty is looming in my near future.

    Ha, 30 isn't that bad. I just had my 31st last month. My friend texting "How is the last weekend of the last summer of your 20s?" on Labor Day weekend did mess me up a bit.

  • kibby||

    I would be less worried about it if I had anything to show for my 20s. But outside of collections of cats & books that are growing at a concerning rate, not so much.

  • ||

    I would be less worried about it if I had anything to show for my 20s.

    I went nuts on the domestic travel from Labor Day up through my birthday. It made me feel much better.

    Also I NAFTA'd in a week. And made up NAFTA'ing.

  • kibby||

    This is a very good idea that I am totally stealing without giving you any credit whatsoever.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    You still get carded when you buy alcohol? Because there's a sign you're old. Or look old.

  • kibby||

    As a rule, I still get carded. I get a little offended if they don't, because clearly I'm passing for a college student with no strange looks so can't look that old.

  • playa manhattan||

    You have half your life ahead of you on my dime. You owe me a drink or 3.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Half? How many make it to 98? If I make it to 75 I'll be happy. That should save you some money.

    I'll buy you a drink or 3, though anyway.

  • Sevo||

    ..."If I make it to 75 I'll be happy."...

    I'll bet your view on that changes.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    I'll bet your view on that changes.

    Probably.

    Kinda surprised I made it this far, but the old liver will give out eventually.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    How old are you playa? Early 30's? I think you mentioned it once but my mind is going.

  • playa manhattan||

    34. But I have the testosterone levels of a 50 year old thanks to my kids.

  • Tejicano||

    If you take care of yourself you may be surprized how high your testosterone level could be into your 50's. I'm 55 now and just getting to the stage where I can almost control myself when a fine example of the female form saunters by.

    But then on my last Army PFT (June, 2013) the only people who outran me were 25 and under.

  • RightofCenter||

    It's hard to guess your age, FdA. I just assumed that AF pilots retire in their early 40s.

    I just did recently (2 years ago still seems recent to me) at 42. Turning 44 this year. I'm a young pup where I work now.

  • Sevo||

    "Fuck, Sevo, you are almost as old as MY father."

    It's not like I had a lot of say in the matter.
    I guess I coulda fooled 'em and kicked off, but...

  • playa manhattan||

    When you said that you flew on business in the 60's, I was picturing you in my head as in your 80's now. Either way, when you tell shrike to "Go fuck your daddy, shitpile!", I whole heartedly appreciate it.

  • Sevo||

    "Either way, when you tell shrike to "Go fuck your daddy, shitpile!", I whole heartedly appreciate it."

    It's amazing to me that sorry excuses for human beings blame their parents for their failures well after they are adults and should take some responsibility. Nope; we should all have prefect parents, it's a "right"!
    I once had a lady friend who said she was going to quit going to therapy; she was tired of preparing for the rest of her life and decided to live it.
    Screw shreek and Tony; miserable excuses for humanity.

  • playa manhattan||

    I have kids because my penis works too well. I would have waited another 10 years if it were up to me.

  • ||

    Yeah, Sevo, I always pictured you as being like 90. Hurry up and age, you fuck.

  • Sevo||

    Warty|2.26.14 @ 12:20AM|#
    "Yeah, Sevo, I always pictured you as being like 90."

    Why you whippersnapper! I'll bet you don't even have an onion in your belt! Where was I?

  • Sevo||

    "I once got into an argument with a girl in poli. sci. about 'buying locally.' I pointed out that if everyone did that we'd all be poorer because we'd be buying more expensive goods.
    Later in the class she was bitching about the Cuban trade embargo, so I said "I don't know what you're complaining about. All we're doing is helping the Cubans shop locally.""

    Wish I had a nickle for every proggie who swore 'globalism' is killing local economies and then turned around and griped about the Cuban embargo.

  • ||

    I would accuse all three of you of making that up if I had not seen it with my own eyes on numerous occasions.

  • kibby||

    I wish I were. The last four years have been a painful exercise in not screaming at people for me.

    My favorite was last semester in my Linguistics class, an ASL major (I remember that clearly because she never shut her mouth about it) asked a question about the people who'd been involved in the study we were talking about that day. She was convinced that if it had been black & hispanic people, that explained the disparity because they were all undereducated.

    At no point did it occur to her how insanely racist that statement was.

  • ||

    Please tell me you screamed "check your fucking privelege you twiggy white cis-bitch!"

  • kibby||

    It was three weeks into the semester of a very small class. I didn't really want to pick a fight at that point.

    In retrospect, I really regret not calling her out on it.

  • ||

    You should have asked her if Chomskian linguistics theory works for non-Indo-European languages instead.

  • kibby||

    I should have had you take that class for me. Outside of schooling them on proper Latin pronunciation one day, it was pretty much a waste of my time.

  • Tejicano||

    Da fuuhh? People can MAJOR in sign language?

    OK, yeah, I know about education for more than just a professional skill set but... I dunno, I can't even see much cultural relevance in that.

  • ||

    Translators, ADA.

  • Tejicano||

    Yeah, but as a major? I could see it as part of a degree in communications, linguistics, or some other related field.

    I totally get majoring in a language which has tons of history and culture woven into the language itself. Even dead languages are relevant since the related culture generally underpins some contemporary culture or cultures.

    Nope. ASL as a major just doesn't get it.

  • kibby||

    Sadly, they'll probably all get better jobs than me.

  • MJGreen||

    Wow.

    The one story I have is learning in my first year that only a few people in my Lit class could actually write a standard essay. The TA asked to use my hastily written exam essay (which was 90% bullshit, I think) as an example to pass around so that the other students could learn what a 5 paragraph essay looked like. This was at NYU.

  • Almanian!||

    God DAMN but "Justified" is living up to its name. Getting all twisted and shit. Love it.

    What happened on "Independents"? Did Kennedy wear really-big earrings?

  • Sevo||

    GILMORE|2.25.14 @ 10:39PM|#
    "re: Jesse Myerson"

    I'm now 'bout a quarter way through Fides' rendition of the Russian revolution after finishing Pipes. The rep is that Fides writes from the left and Pipes from the right.
    Regardless of that distinction, what is abundantly clear in both was the failure of the liberals to confront the left's intentions and actions for fear of being labeled as "Tsarists"; the left defined the terms of the debate and the liberals raised no objections.
    Hey, Matt! Do you see a similarity here?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Aaron Hernader-cuffs brutally beats inmate in prison

    Former New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez, who is currently in jail awaiting trial on first-degree murder and weapons charges, attacked an inmate at the Bristol County Jail in Massachusetts, reports TMZ.

    The website reports that Hernandez had recognized the inmate and began attacking him after the two argued during the day.

    Hernandez, 24, has been in jail since June 26th for his alleged role in the murder of semi-pro football player Odin Lloyd. Hernandez pleaded not guilty to the charges.

    More from TMZ:

    Hernandez, who is usually segregated from the general population, was allowed to take a walk in an isolated hallway … but somehow came into contact with another inmate.
    We’re told Hernandez recognized the other inmate and launched into an attack — beating the other man up pretty badly.
    Officials had placed Hernandez in solitary confinement out of concern he would be a target behind bars due to his celebrity status.

    Well that's how prison works, isn't that right?

  • Hyperion||

    He's the same guy who keeps cheating on Rust, I'm sure of it.

  • Sevo||

    Dunno what to say about that. The US jams more folks in jail than anyone else; do we really have that many real criminals (yeah, I know about stuffing Jose and Jamal in jail for a joint). But look here:

    "California 'lifers' leaving prison at record pace"
    [...]
    "Since taking office three years ago, Gov. Jerry Brown has affirmed 82 percent of parole board decisions, resulting in a record number of inmates with life sentences going free."
    http://www.sfgate.com/news/cri.....265706.php

    Moonbeam ain't one of my faves, but if he's letting people get on with their lives without harm, I'll even pat the guy on the back.

  • Cytotoxic||

  • kibby||

    Holy crap, it's my life.

  • ||

    I don't normally like nigahiga's stuff, but that was pretty good.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I don't know shit about music, but here's a map of every state's favorite band

  • ||

    WTF is Bonobo?

  • seguin||

    A chimp that loves to bone.

  • ||

    Stone Sour and Nirvana are acceptable.

  • Winston||

    I hated all those bands before it was cool to like them ironically.

  • kibby||

    Linkin Park? WTF Arizona, I'm not THIRTEEN ANYMORE.

  • Hyperion||

    Delaware is Rush, and MD is Kelly, who the fuck?

    WTF? How can I live right next to the coolest state in the union for music preference, and the stupidest, because I don't even know who the person is?

  • ||

    What the fuck is a Florida Georgia Line?

  • seguin||

    Somewhat surprised Texas isn't Toadies, but whatever.

  • Winston||

    So what is everyone's favorite music? Is it all a bunch of atonal dissonance or is it Black Death Metal featuring a very raspy voiced guy screeching about how Life is Pain?

  • ||

    a very raspy voiced guy screeching about how Life is Pain

    So, your mom last night?

  • Winston||

    Pretty sure you mean Epi's mom.

  • Winston||

    Also cisprivilege!

  • kibby||

    I would link my last.fm page here, but it mean merciless mocking, I'm sure.

  • Warrren||

    Being truthfuk isn't mocking.

  • Warrren||

    Jesus, *truthful*.

  • kibby||

    Your word makes more sense in the context of Hit & Run, let's be honest. Smart people can find me on there if they are so motivated.

  • Tejicano||

    Freud in the keyboard, huh?

  • Warrren||

    That's not Freud, dude!

  • ||

    I linked up some '90s Brit pop the other day and received no mocking at all. I'll have to find other ways to get my social masochism on.

  • Warrren||

    Did I ever mention that Dave Wakeling from from General Public and the English Beat once helped me write a resume?

    In fact he insisted. He had been looking over my shoulder and was aghast at what he was seeing. Nice guy.

  • ||

    That's bizarre. I don't know what I'd do without friends who were easily horrified by my attempts to write a resume and were capable of writing one for me.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

  • Cytotoxic||

    I favor the Rolling Stones and Rob Zombie.

  • Cytotoxic||

    I also favor much of NIN/Reznor's work and Ministry. I am thankful to Randian for alerting me to the latter.

  • seguin||

    You might enjoy Ugly Mus-tard and Course of Empire too.

    God Lives Underwater is also good.

  • Sevo||

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLVytcPtWwM
    Very strange guy, but he and a clarinet were very well acquainted.

  • Winston||

    As was him and Lana Turner and Evelyn Keyes.

  • Winston||

    Along Ava Gardner and Judy Garland.

  • Sevo||

    Yeah, he was acquainted with a lot of twat...

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Music pretty much died with the 80s.

    Get off my lawn!

  • Winston||

    No Music died with the Baroque Era.

  • Warrren||

    Maybe they should fix that.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    BRING BACK THE HARPSICHORD!

  • MJGreen||

    Buying St. Vincent's new album as I type.

    Also starting to get into Frank Zappa. Mostly just Hot Rats right now, but I'm committed to going through a bunch of his stuff.

  • Gene||

    starting to get into Frank Zappa

    Well, we'll see ya in about five years then.... I would start with the Mothers. Billy the Mountain from Just Another Band from L.A. is fucking awesome.... well it was twenty years ago and I was kinda stoned at the time... after that Apostrophe and Overnight Sensation are good choices as is Sheik Yerbouti, and if you can find it Kreega Bondola is an incredible snapshot of his mid eighties live stuff.

  • juris imprudent||

    Van Morrison, so I have some of the Life is Pain thing going. Read some bit about what your favorite music says about - with Van it appears to mean I am a romantic and a bit of a drunk.

  • GILMORE||

    "Is it all a bunch of atonal dissonance or is it Black Death Metal featuring a very raspy voiced guy screeching about how Life is Pain?"

    If you got Bernard Purdie to play the drums, either would probably work.

  • seguin||

    Fugazi, Black Flag, Spector 45, Codetalkers, Urine Trouble, Pixies, Toadies, a little Queen, Minor Threat, Course of Empire, Misfits, buncha other stuff.

  • seguin||

    Oh also Henry Mancini.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • seguin||

    It's crazy just how many memorable tunes he's written.

    I was also going to mention Raymond Scott, but I mostly like him for Powerhouse...I think his electronica stuff is interesting historically but musically...meh.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Is Oasis up to something?

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • ||

    Why ask why men are reluctant to call themselves feminists?

    A better question would be why most women are reluctant to call themselves feminists.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • ||

    Now there's a reason to boycott NBC.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

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