Here’s How Hard It Is To Sell Obamacare

Whitehouse.govWhitehouse.govSince the rollout of Obamacare’s health insurance exchanges last October, administration officials have stressed that problems should be judged in a broader context, because open enrollment is a six-month process.

But that six month process is rapidly drawing to a close. Open enrollment ends on March 31, and the administration still has a long way to go before meeting its demographic and sign-up targets.

The White House and allied health groups like Enroll America and Planned Parenthood have ramped up efforts to boost enrollment, using the same sort of individualized targeting that Obama utilized so effectively in his presidential campaigns. Some of it is advertising, but there’s also a lot of in-person pitching involved. And that turns out to be rather difficult. The New York Times reports on the struggling efforts to boost enrollment: 

The hunt for the uninsured in Broward County got underway one recent afternoon when 41 canvassers, armed with electronic maps on Samsung tablets, set off through working-class neighborhoods to peddle the Affordable Care Act door to door. Four hours later, they had made contact with 2,623 residents and signed up exactly 25 people.

Many of their targets, people identified on sophisticated computer lists generated in Washington as unlikely to have health insurance, had moved away. Some were not home. Many said they already had insurance through Medicare, their parents or a job. A few were hostile at the mere mention of President Obama’s health care law.

There are an awful lot of strike-outs. And potential successes sometimes end up stymied by ongoing problems with the website:

By the end of her shift, Ms. Morwin had knocked on 115 doors and talked to 16 people about enrolling. Not one of them signed up.

In some cases, problems with the health care website are still frustrating the canvassers’ best efforts.

Ryanbo Morales, 27, a Planned Parenthood worker and a former campaign volunteer for Mr. Obama, searched for the uninsured one recent day with the same zeal he brought to looking for voters during the president’s 2012 re-election campaign. But when he finally found Chrystal Rhodes, 24, who said she did not work enough hours at JetBlue to qualify for its health insurance, his efforts to help her sign up on his Samsung tablet were stymied when she kept getting an enrollment error.

“This is really unfortunate,” Mr. Morales said. 

The Obama administration put quite a bit of effort into applying election-style data-sorting to the Obamacare enrollment effort, and prior to the rollout, they were selling the effort as the president’s final campaign. But reports like these suggest that the push is not working nearly as well had been hoped. There are a couple things to be learned from this. One is that marketing and outreach tactics that work well in one arena—say, national elections—don’t always translate to other activities, like convincing people to purchase health coverage. The other is that while good demographic data and analytics can be helpful in making a sales pitch, they’re of limited use if people aren’t actually interested in buying the product. 

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  • Invisible Finger||

    Open enrollment ends on March 31, and the administration still has a long way to go to meet its demographic and sign-up targets.

    Obama will simply enact an executive decree calling for the arrest of anyone who isn't signed up. I see no reason why the DEA can't be repurposed into Heath Insurance Enforcement.

  • John||

    You think you are kidding. The solution to this will be raising the penaltax (which is already higher than the media claims it is and supposed to go through the roof in the coming years) to such a degree that people have no choice but to buy the horrible, over priced health insurance offered here. Those who have don't have the money to buy insurance or pay the penaltax, will be declared tax evaders and thrown in prison. That is absent Congress or a new President stopping it what is going to happen.

    If this thing isn't repealed, by the end of this decade there will be people in federal prison for the crime of not purchasing insurance. i guarantee it. Now that won't be the crime they are convicted of. The crime on their record will be tax evasion. But the actual crime will be not having the money or the willingness to buy insurance.

  • Lord Humungus||

    Thank you, Justice Roberts.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    I'm curious if you can successfully* rechallenge Obamacare anytime they raise the penaltax. Since it being constitutional hinged on the penaltax "being" a tax and not a penalty, and the rationale for it not being a penalty was that it was so low, wouldn't every increase require a reexamination to determine if it had crossed the threshold from tax to penalty?

    *by successfully in this context I mean "get it into court where they decide if it has changed"

  • John||

    I would think you could. The problem is that Roberts displayed so much disregard for the law in making that statement, I have no faith that he would not go back on it if someone ever tried to hold him to it.

    Part of me thinks that the Court would kill it since Roberts clearly is more concerned with being popular than doing the right thing. But then I wonder if Roberts is really so beholden to the Beltway establishment he will uphold it no matter what.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Oh, I fully suspect that they would make up some bullshit reason why it was still constitutional. If they weren't above that it would have gone down in the first place. But I'm wondering if they would at least have the integrity to reexamine it since the ruling they gave would logically require that (even if they keep ending up with the result that "Yes, this $10,000 fee is still totally a tax and not a penalty").

  • John||

    They would deny cert and let the DC circuit do their dirty work.

  • ||

    I had hoped that Roberts would take the opportunity that presented itself in some of the other challenges to O'Care to "do over" his vote -- but no joy.

  • Pro Libertate||

    NO STANDING.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    I'm pretty sure you'd have standing if you had to pay the penaltax.

    But then again, I'm not a Chief Justice.

  • Pro Libertate||

    QUIET, OR I'LL DO YOU FOR TREASON.

    NO STANDING.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    I'm going to space, where you don't have to stand. Coincidentally, I happen to have a big rock and I wouldn't want to get too startled by being called a traitor so I drop it.

  • Pro Libertate||

    THERE"S NO STANDING IN SPACE, EITHER.

    DEATH BY FLOATING KATE UPTON!.

  • XM||

    It's treason season at reason.

  • Juice||

    Those who have don't have the money to buy insurance or pay the penaltax, will be declared tax evaders and thrown in prison.

    I thought they put in provisions to where this would never happen.

  • John||

    The Republican Congress I think put a rider on one of the debt ceiling bills that said you couldn't be thrown in jail for not paying the penaltax.

    But I am not sure that the IRS couldn't just ignore that and charge people anyway. Taxes are fungible. So who is to say the part you didn't pay is the Penaltax? I could see a hack judge saying that you are not being charged with failure to pay the penaltax but failure to pay taxes. I certainly could see an AUSA claiming that. And there is nothing in the law that stops them from going after you for failure to pay the interest and penalties that accrue.

    And good luck sitting in prison waiting for the appellate courts to overturn your case.

  • ||

    And good luck sitting in prison waiting for the appellate courts to overturn your case.

    On the bright side, your healthcare will be free.

  • blcartwright||

    The IRS could decide that the first dollars you pay (or are deducted from you paycheck) go to the penaltax. Once it's paid up, then the remaining dollars go towards your federal income tax. That way anybody who thinks they are refusing to pay the penaltax will get charged with failure to pay income tax.

  • Brett L||

    Sure. And instead of having dischargeable medical debt, you can have non-dischargeable tax liens against you when you go bankrupt. Hooray.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    No need. Like many Federal departments, Health and Human Services has its own Federal police force.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • John||

    It doesn't matter. Once you don't pay the penaltax, it is now a matter of tax evasion. And the IRS is quite good at throwing people in prison.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Very true.

  • Invisible Finger||

    Your link is to a state agency, not a federal one.

  • ||

    Maybe that's where all that missing ammunition has gone?

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Obama will simply enact an executive decree calling for the arrest droning of anyone who isn't signed up.

    FIFY

  • OneOut||

    "Obama will simply enact an executive decree calling for the arrest of anyone who isn't signed up. I see no reason why the DEA can't be repurposed into Heath Insurance Enforcement."

    He could just DEEM them criminals against the State . Their is historical precedence for doing so.

  • OneOut||

    Enemies of the State

  • The Late P Brooks||

    This is really unfortunate,” Mr. Morales said.

    Can we have that carved over the door to the Obama Presidential Library?

  • SugarFree||

    Shut the thread down.

  • Swiss Servator, mehr Käse!||

    Seconded.

  • John||

    But then where would "If you like your plan, you can keep it" go? And while were at it, what about "spread the wealth around"? or "these people cling to their religion and guns?"

    They are going to need a lot of doors at that place.

  • SugarFree||

    Those go around the rotunda.

  • John||

    The one with the statue of Reverend Wright with the inscription "God Damn America" on its base.

    Got it.

  • ||

    It's in The Bible!

  • Marshall Gill||

    Don't forget "you didn't build this".

  • Christophe||

    That goes on the cornerstone of the building.

  • Swiss Servator, mehr Käse!||

    SugarFree, I think you may have just sewn up the architectural contract.

  • SugarFree||

    I gonna make the dome look like a big boob and have a ring of statues of poor people on the areola suckling the nipple.

    And the main sewer line will run directly in the shrike's mouth.

  • fish||

    Ah...art again reflects life!

  • ||

    c'est nes pas democratie.

  • ||

    Erp butchered 'Ceci n'est pas une democratie'.

  • blcartwright||

    "punished with a baby"

  • Juice||

    Sorry. Above the door to the library must read, "You didn't build this."

  • Marshall Gill||

    Damn, beat me by two minutes.

  • Drake||

    It's like they enrolled the special ed kids in a freshmen business class - and made overhauling the nation's health industry the class project.

    Too arrogant to realize they are in way over their heads.
    Too incompetent to do an even mediocre job of deploying their "plan".
    Too stupid to realize what a fucking mess they are making.

  • Brett L||

    Meanwhile the insurance industry lobbyists got it written such that they could dump their low margin/low use plans AND force the Feds to guarantee them a profit. I have no end of fun pointing out to liberal friends how hard their dream team got rolled by the insurance people.

  • ||

    One is that marketing and outreach tactics that work well in one arena—say, national elections—don’t always translate to other activities, like convincing people to purchase health coverage

    If you've ever tried to sell people shit, especially online, you learn extremely quickly that it is incredibly hard to get people to purchase stuff, especially more esoteric stuff like insurance as opposed to a pair of shoes. Getting them to vote for you is so different it might as well be different realities, such as one where I was able to call FoE friend. Voting is a social signaling thing ("look, Facebook friends, I voted for Obama!"), which is easy to get people to do, because it's free and they gain something social from it.

    Buying insurance is a completely different story. That's their money they're parting with, not a walk down to the voting booth. They're going to be a lot more hesitant to do it.

  • John||

    Gee Episiarch, it is almost like the skills necessary to be a political hack don't translate into other fields like sales. You mean these people might not be the best and the brightest?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • Andrew S.||

    Wait, does this post end in you setting Reason to self destruct?

  • ||

    Well, it does if reason's auto destruct code is as mindbogglingly stupid as the TNG self destruct codes. Let's try:

    "Destruct sequence 1, code 1-1 A."

    OH SHIT

  • Auric Demonocles||

    BUT you've got to say in the person's voice. That's totally hackproof.

  • ||

    I do a perfect Picard and Riker voice. And Wesley.

  • BakedPenguin||

    That you ever attempted to do a Wesley voice is evil.

    Unless you limited yourself to having him cry "Please stop cornholing me, Mr. Traveler. Please!" or some such.

  • Hugh Akston||

    That's why you need three authorizations to initiate self-destruct. And you'll never get Dr Crusher's voice down.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Even you aren't whiny enough to do Wesley.

  • BakedPenguin||

    Yup.

    Unless you have a recorder and a way to edit audio, of course. But such tech is sure to be unknown in 2349 or whenever it took place.

  • fish||

    What....so they're going to blow up the ship using a modified outline numbering format.

    /wiki/Outline_(list)#Alphanumeric_outline

  • Sevo||

    "That's their money they're parting with,"

    Revealed preference.
    Credit David Freidman?
    Two economists walking down the street past a luxury car store. One looks in and says 'Gee, I really want one of those!'
    The other says 'Obviously not'.

  • Andrew S.||

    We all knew this would be a spectacular disaster. But I have to admit I never realized just how spectacular the disaster would be.

    It would be hilarious if it wasn't going to further drag this country down in massive amounts of debt.

  • ||

    It's pretty hilarious anyway. We're going down in massive piles of debt with or without Obamacare.

  • PapayaSF||

    Lordy, this thing is just going to struggle and and suffer (and cause suffering) forever, isn't it? It's like watching a wounded animal bleed and squirm on the side of the highway.

    Like you, I knew it would fail, I just didn't think it would fail this badly this soon, nor did I think Obama would just disregard the law to try to save it. Absolutely the worst domestic policy disaster since Prohibition.

  • John||

    I can honestly say I knew it was going to fail and fail horribly. I knew that because the Democrats made sure it didn't come into effect until after the 2012 elections. I also knew it because the claims its supporters made were either complete fantasy or completely inconsistent with one another. Every assumption they made in drafting and selling this thing was patently false if you gave it any thought.

    But even still, I wish they had been successful in delaying it since it really is causing a lot of harm.

  • ||

    It was obviously going to fail, but its magnitude of failure has been, at least for me, more than I expected. It's not that I thought they couldn't fail spectacularly, I just figured they could game/bullshit things enough to slide by. When even I am underestimating the arrogance and incompetence of politicians and bureaucrats, you know that the situation in the administration is fucked beyond comprehension.

  • John||

    I suppose since I work in a bureaucracy, I was less likely to underestimate their stupidity.

    But yeah, I don't think anyone knew how fully and completely it would fail. But that is because no one really paid enough attention to see all of the aspects of it. I hadn't really thought about the web site for example. But every time I hear about some new horrible in this law, it is a completely obvious and unexpected result when you look at what is happening and the only reason I didn't think of it is because I didn't know about that portion of the law.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    I think your "they" switched parties without any indication.

  • John||

    Yes. I wish the Republicans had been successful in delaying it, even though that would have spared the Democrats their much deserved blame for this.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    That's what I figured you mean. If only we had EDIT BUTTTTTTTTTON!

  • blcartwright||

    So at the beginning of October Obama was calling Ted Cruz very nasty names for suggesting Obamacare be delayed - then a month later was delaying it himself.

  • Wandering Texan||

    Don't forget though, the shutdown was still a ding on the Teathuglicans record!

  • CampingInYourPark||

    /derp on

    Well, when he lies us into a trillion dollar war with exploding limbs and thousands of deaths then I'll care

    /derp off

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Wanna bet the Republicans STILL can't capitalize on it?

  • BakedPenguin||

    They have let the Dems control the narrative. Why are the big discussions now immigration and minimum wage?

    Say what you want about someone like Gingrich, he would have been smart enough to keep the D's feet to the fire for all their fuckups.

  • Juice||

    They have let the Dems control the narrative.

    I'm not sure they really have any control of the matter.

  • Juice||

    I meant the Republicans don't have any say in what is the national narrative.

  • BakedPenguin||

    If they had someone like Newt instead of Oompa-Loompa "leading" them in the House, he'd be on every news show he could get, constantly asking why unemployment and fixing Obamacare aren't the biggest priorities of the administration.

    Even with a cooperative media, Americans are not total idiots.

  • Marshall Gill||

    Once he became Speaker, Newt really lost his game. Before then, yeah, he would have been beating this dog mercilessly.

  • Marshall Gill||

    Immigration reform is a fucking joke. They are not going to change the difficulty of becoming a citizen one bit. They will do amnesty, and ADD bureaucrats and regs making immigration even more difficult than it was before the "reform".

  • blcartwright||

    I refer to my immigration ideas as "Easier to be legal, hell to be illegal". We're never going to do much to shut the back door if the front door is not opened wider. I like immigrants, even better when they are vetted and documented.

  • DenverJay||

    "I meant the Republicans don't have any say in what is the national narrative."

    While this is true, I mean really true, due to the total Socialist leanings of the MSM; the Republicans are incredibly, unbelievably, stupid.
    Do you remember the last Presidential election? You know, the one where Team Red nominated Romney? You know, the Romney who helped get the prototype of this law passed in Massachusetts? Thus taking Team Red's biggest campaign advantage of the table?
    Team Red could fuck up a wet dream.

  • uhclem||

    You're making the incorrect assumption that there really are two parties.

  • ||

    Are you suggesting they play the political blame game over something trivial like Obamacare when there are perverted homosexuals out there having perverted homo sex with each other?!

  • John||

    I don't think it will matter what the Republicans do. The next two elections will be about revenge and blame. The Republicans will just be bistanders. That is a good role for them.

  • Tim||

    A lot of those "identified as likely to need insurance" are not used to paying for anything. They are used to showing up at the ER and getting.

  • ||

    What? Getting what? The suspense is killing me!

  • Floridian||

    A police ordered colonoscopy.

  • Tim||

    getting, As in "not paying for".

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    head

  • Pulseguy||

    I'll bet 99% of the signups were to people who are 100% subsidized.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    "Ryanbo Morales, 27, a Planned Parenthood worker and a former campaign volunteer for Mr. Obama"

    Whoa, what are the odds of that? I hope he didn't get in trouble for mixing his charitable work for Planned Parenthood with political activities. I mean, his bosses at PP must look askance at this kind of thing.

  • John||

    I bet it took a lot of courage for him to go to work every day as an Obama supporter.

  • Tonio||

    Um, are you serious, Eddie? Like it or not* PP is the designated PPACA enrollment agent in some places. They bid on the contracts and they got them, just as other organizations did in other areas.

    (*)The above is not to be construed as an endorsement of PP or their activities, nor as a condemnation of such.

  • Tonio||

    Also, Eddie, PP does have paid staff.

    Is this an honest lack of knowledge on your part or are you feigning ignorance?

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    I had meant to say that Planned Parenthood is designated as a charity, but if insulting me by taking a different interpretation of my remarks works for you, go ahead.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    And, of course, I didn't say PP cheated to get the contract, so you're conjuring up a two-headed straw man.

  • ||

    Just the other day I was riding down the road listening to the local rock station and Red Ryder's Lunatic Fringe started playing. I like the song, but when it got to "We can see you coming" I muttered "The fuck you say" and turned off the radio.

  • Sevo||

    Blind-sided by the same knowledge problem as Gosplan and for exactly the same reason.
    Central planning does not work, I don't care who is in charge.

  • John||

    This is why they hate freedom. When people are free they act in ways that fuck up the central planner's plans.

  • ||

    But if we just get the right people this time...

  • John||

    And if we just had a population worthy of its government.

  • mr simple||

    We should get an off-site location to gather people and help them focus on the right issues. You know, a sort of camp to help them concentrate.

  • John||

    That is a great idea. They have been educated. But it was the wrong kind of education. If only we could use these camps to somehow re educate them.

  • tarran||

    Will there be reeducation as well as opportunities to concentrate?

  • tarran||

    GAH!!!! Curse your nimble fingers, John!

  • Sevo||

    ..."You know, a sort of camp to help them concentrate."...
    A sort of camp concentration! Wait, that's not it...

  • blcartwright||

    I heard those camps are dirty and it's easy for people to get lice. They'd need to set up some buildings with showers so the people can get cleaned up.

  • PapayaSF||

    [Tony] If only Republicans stopped sabotaging their own law! [/Tony]

  • Swiss Servator, mehr Käse!||

    Bu...but...traktor produktion up 5% - IT WAS IN PRAVDA!!!

  • Sevo||

    "Bu...but...traktor produktion up 5% - IT WAS IN PRAVDA!!!"

    And it WAS! But since the quotas didn't include spare parts, that increase didn't keep up with the disabled units.
    (true story)

  • sasob||

    And the word pravda is Russian for truth if I recall correctly. Ironic.

  • Death Rock and Skull||

    At least so far we have gotten them to the point where they are using blue masking tape to make banners.

  • Sevo||

    But we need one of the "E"s backwards to really hit the target.

  • Fluffy||

    One of the most objectionable, but totally lost, scandals of the ACA is all of this "facilitator" nonsense.

    Hundreds of millions of dollars was thrown at unemployable social worker trash to "help people navigate" their way into Obamacare.

    When you employ more people to conduct enrollment than you actually enroll, there's a fucking problem.

    But hey, these social worker assholes got to make some money, so it's all good, right? Besides, people with "barriers" might not get their insurance if we don't keep hundreds of thousands of these class enemy fucks on the payroll.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Make up your mind! Do you want Obama to bring down unemployment or not!

  • John||

    And am I being too cynical to think that they created the army of facilitators not just to provide employment but also to have a readily available army of political activists that could be used in get out the vote, spreading propaganda and other political activities as a part of their facilitation?

  • Death Rock and Skull||

    No, you're being racist!

  • BakedPenguin||

    At this point, I don't think it's possible to be too cynical about this administration.

  • ||

    Spreading propaganda? My son is friends with a woman who is a facilitator. He was asking her what he should do and she laughed at him. She said "Dont do anything. The whole thing is going to collapse."

    I would imagine she is typical. Those people just took the job because it pays and they dont really have to do anything. Go to the Oval Office and start digging. It is gross incompetence all the way down.

  • Marshall Gill||

    And am I being too cynical to think that they created the army of facilitators not just to provide employment but also to have a readily available army of political activists that could be used in get out the vote, spreading propaganda and other political activities as a part of their facilitation?

    Are you implying that the facilitators may be in reality nothing but Democrat operatives seeking to increase votes? Unpossible.

  • pmains||

    And am I being too cynical ....

    Absolutely not. Of course this was the plan.

    I would go further. To the progressive mind, there is no right or wrong. Politics is merely about the Nietzschean will to power. Might makes right. So, of course the current regime will use government resources to entrench itself. The Obamaites do not have the mental or emotional toolkits necessary to even begin to understand why this sort of thing is wrong.

    Now, if this were a corporation promoting an ant-Hillary movie or a conservative news outlet failing to kiss the royal ring -- we need to crack down on those counter-revolutionaries.

  • SusanM||

    Absolutely not. Of course this was the plan.

    Jeez, I wonder why people think libertarians are paranoid. ;)

    I'm not trying to defend the particular things they're doing, mind, just trying to say that a conspiracy this far-reaching couldn't be kept so quiet since 2009 - or longer if you don't think Obama's behind it all, anyway. Pretty much everyone in the country would have to be in on it to make it work.

    It's the collective, foolish actions of opportunistic politicians and inflexible bureaucrats. Neither of whom should have as much power as they do but it isn't The Syndicate.

  • Pulseguy||

    Not a conspiracy as in people all get together and plan it, more of a group think where a lot of people's first thinking on any subject is 'why doesn't the government do something about this?', rather than 'why don't I do something about this?'

    The tide has swung away from the second towards the first. And, people like Pelosi/Obama/Reid, etc. all take this cringing whinging taking energy and build their fiefdoms. With the cost to the common good.

  • sasob||

    When you employ more people to conduct enrollment than you actually enroll, there's a fucking problem.

    But when you create so many government jobs, you create a constituency who will vote for you and your party, as well as the expansion of government in general ( their kids will need government jobs, too, someday.)

  • Sevo||

    "But when you create so many government jobs, you create a constituency who will vote for you and your party, as well as the expansion of government in general"

    The SEIU approves of this message.

  • ||

    they’re of limited use if people aren’t actually interested in buying the product.

    What?!?!

    But the left tells me that commercial speech is so effective that it must be exempted from the first amendment rights.

  • John||

    I bet they honestly believe that and are completely shocked this isn't working.

  • creech||

    "Many of their targets, people identified on sophisticated computer lists generated in Washington as unlikely to have health insurance, had moved away."

    Wouldn't it be interesting to check to see how many of these people still vote in the next election? In Philly, at least, these moved voters are the ones most likely to be fraudulently voted by their party's (and in Philly, that's the Democrats)polling place personnel.

  • Pulseguy||

    Or, they never existed in the first place. Which is probably more likely. But, they were on the voter's list. Not that there is any voter fraud.

  • fish||

    If you people would just get with the program and buy your insurance we could dispense with this sort of thing......

    http://bit.ly/1bMKq43

  • Banjos||

    Did they really think it would be easy to sell a product to people who are not already looking to purchase it?

    "I don't get it, not a single one of these childless couple purchased diapers."

    "I don't get it, not a single one of these young, healthy 20 odd year olds signed up for Obamacare."

  • fish||

    "I don't get it, not a single one of these childless couple purchased diapers."

    Well those couples are normal...unlike you and Sloop!

  • Banjos||

    While many of you talk about forming a libertarian army, sloop and I are actually breeding one.

  • fish||

    And we praise you for you contributions to the Rodina. :-)

  • Marshall Gill||

    My son is 12 and I have been homeschooling he and his sister who is nine.

    General Gill is ready to lead!

  • tarran||

    I have been homeschooling he and his sister

    I hope you are having them self study from a well written book on English grammar. ;)

  • blcartwright||

    I don't understand why the addition of an "and" messes so many people up. I've even been hearing it in scripted dialogue on TV shows. To me it seems like such a simple rule, either side of the "and" must be able to stand on it's one. Putting them together doesn't change the grammar. "She went to the mall" joined with "My sister went to the mall" becomes "Her and my sister went to the mall"

  • sasob||

    And stood on their one? :-)

    Joe's Law strikes again?

  • Pulseguy||

    I have been homeschooling he? Or, I have been homeschooling him?

    But, congrats for homeschooling your two kids.

  • Invisible Finger||

    The problem is healthy 20-somethings DO want to buy health insurance, but even at the subsidized prices they are actuarially exorbitant and thus drive the customers away in droves.

    This was the #1 problem ACA was trying to solve: how do we force people to overpay because the state laws mandating insurance companies overcharge isn't working.

    That problem is by definition impossible to solve. And even if coercion does force people to overpay, it's essentially nothing but a gigantic tax increase which can do nothing but ruin the macroeconomy.

  • sasob||

    ...which can do nothing but ruin the macroeconomy.

    Some will insist that this has been the plan of this administration all along - to take the US down a peg, cripple it as a world power. Whether that's true or just a conspiracy theory, that is what is actually happening.

  • Sevo||

    ..."how do we force people to overpay because the state laws mandating insurance companies overcharge isn't working.

    Well, the INTENT is that they will become the New Soviet Man. It WILL work this time!

  • sasob||

    Did they really think it would be easy to sell a product to people who are not already looking to purchase it?

    No, that's why they passed a law making it mandatory that people buy it.

  • Sevo||

    This is heartening:
    "A few were hostile at the mere mention of President Obama’s health care law."
    Well they should be.

  • Marshall Gill||

    Really. Hostile that they have to subsidize the "insurance" of others? Hostile doesn't begin to describe what one of these turd polishers would hear from me.

  • SusanM||

    Or were they hostile that it wasn't the free ride they thought it was?

  • Sevo||

    "Or were they hostile that it wasn't the free ride they thought it was?"

    Like the woman in CA who knew somebody had to pay for it and was pissed to find out it was her?

  • sasob||

    Just say no.

  • Jackand Ace||

    It would be a mistake, in my opinion, to underestimate what micro-targeting can provide along with a campaign. And the last two elections should have taught you that, if nothing else. It was a huge success back then, whether you like the results or not.

    That Times article points out that Enroll America alone has hired a couple of hundred people, along with 14,000 volunteers. And your number of 2600 contacts resulting in 25 sign-ups is exactly how this kind of thing works. Those 25 start to speak with their neighbors, and it just spreads from there.

    One way or the other, we will see on April 1. That is when we will know "real interest in the product." Until then, we are just guessing.

  • blcartwright||

    Why are enrollment periods necessary? I don't have them for my car or life or home owner's insurance. With those, I can shop around for a new policy and dump my old company any day of the year.

  • ||

    They are trying to forestall the obvious answer to ObamaCare -- don't sign up until you need the coverage. If someone could sign up whenever they wanted to, I imagine it would be 15 minutes after the automobile accident.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    Yeah! They're organizing for REAL now! Oddly enough that micro-targeting wasn't enough to take the House back. And if the election were held now are you so confident your savior would win?

  • Sevo||

    ..."Those 25 start to speak with their neighbors, and it just spreads from there."...

    Uh, Jack, most people aren't as dumb as you.

  • Pulseguy||

    Jack...you are writing like someone who has never done anything in his life. Getting people to volunteer for an election campaign hoping to elect a charismatic leader is not the same as selling door to door. Which is what they were trying to do. Selling door to door is tough, you need a really good pitch. But, more than that, you need to be hungry. You need to have a couple of kids at home, and a wife, and rent to make, and have no other way of getting that money. Then, you can actually talk people into signing up for something that costs them money.

    There is no such thing as a door to door viral SALES campaign. Talking people into voting, which costs nothing, for the guy who is going to give them free stuff, is easy. It's a piece of cake. Talking people into handing over $300 to someone at the door. That takes something most people don't have.

  • Jackand Ace||

    OK, pulse, you questioned so I will briefly tell you. I have in my life quit a job on a Friday and started a business on the next Monday, and I still own that business 25 years later. And let me tell you, I did that because I got on the phone, cold called company executives to set up meetings to introduce my company, and then sold them consulting services.

    You are naïve if you don't think that is how things work. EVERYTHING is sales, everything. You sell ideas to your boss, you sell product to your clients, you sell the dream of being successful to the people you want to do business with.

    If you don't understand that, you don't understand business. And they are correctly doing that with a government program that will determine the success or failure of this man's administration. But go ahead, be naïve...he already proved your naievete...twice.

  • Eggs Benedict Cumberbund||

    Sales is a necessary but not sufficient condition.

  • Sevo||

    "You are naïve if you don't think that is how things work. EVERYTHING is sales, everything. You sell ideas to your boss, you sell product to your clients, you sell the dream of being successful to the people you want to do business with."

    Yes, but before you can sell, you must have a product.
    O-care isn't.

  • Pulseguy||

    I didn't vote for him, so he proved nothing about me.

    Everything is not sales. A lot is. But, you were successful because you had a stake in it. You had to be. If you believe everything is sales you must know what it takes to write a deal. Which I do. 100,000 volunteers can't sell anyone anything they don't need and can't afford. Maybe a handful of people can get talked into anything, but they will stop paying after the first or second month.

    Thousands of volunteers will do nothing other than be a great base for the next election campaign.

  • Carolynp||

    Ridiculous. Conservatives give twice as much to charity as liberals do. They give three times as much blood. It's idiotic to assume that people who support this president would actually spend their own money to sign up for this monstrosity. This guy got elected to make someone else pay for their well being. I wouldn't want my well being contingent on the liberal capacity to actually do what they say they believe in.

  • Pulseguy||

    And Conservative backed charities tend to be feeding poor kids, etc. Liberal backed charities are more often the Opera, the Symphony, etc. Liberal hobbies usually. And, I think it is closer to 3x, not twice.

  • Knutsack||

    Am I too cynical to believe that the Obamacare website will continue to have problems up until the moment that they are sure they have enough enrollments?

    What's a better excuse than "Uh, we're having technical problems, or we'd be hitting our numbers."

  • ||

    Additionally, by constantly putting out changes to the law that postpones enrollment requirements Obama is making sure people are going to wait until at least the last minute -- perhaps you will be next on the postponement list if you hold out long enough.

    I think the refrain will also be "we would have hit the numbers but for the postponements."

  • ChanningHulustoe||

    my classmate's step-aunt makes $66 /hour on the internet . She has been without a job for 7 months but last month her check was $19162 just working on the internet for a few hours. official website.....
    http://www.Jobs84.com

  • epsilon given||

    Hey, look! One of ObamaCare's door-to-door recruiters has come to join in the conversation!

  • sasob||

    One way or the other, we will see on April 1. That is when we will know "real interest in the product." Until then, we are just guessing.

    Yup, what an appropriate day to find out how many fools there are in this country.

  • Pulseguy||

    Let's spend $600 million dollars on a website without actually knowing if there is a market for the product. Good business strategy.

  • sasob||

    A few were hostile at the mere mention of President Obama’s health care law.

    I think I'd rather see the Jehova's Witnesses or Mormons coming up to my door.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    They're fun to play with. Haven't seen one in years though even though there's a Jehovah's Witness place only a few miles away.

  • epsilon given||

    And as a Mormon who has knocked on more than a few doors, I happen to know that this is one of the worst ways to find people interested in what you're selling...indeed, going door-to-door was typically a last-resort activity, when you had nothing else to do.

    Even *if* there was interest in the "good" news of ObamaCare, I'm not at all surprised by the lack of success they've had.

  • PRX||

    PP, ACORN, OFA, OWS. it's the same turtles all the way down.

  • Ayn Random Variation||

    "A few were hostile at the mere mention of President Obama’s health care law."

    I hope on my xanax if I ever come across one of these people.

  • Carolynp||

    Heh, I think it would be one of the funniest conversations I've ever had. There's no law that says I can't mess with you if you're pestering me at my house.

  • ||

    So somehow, even though the administration tells us they can't figure out who has actually signed up and paid for ObamaCare, they can figure out who hasn't!

  • Carolynp||

    Exactly. I've worked for two major insurance companies as an underwriter. One thing I promise you the insurance companies know: who has paid.

  • Pulseguy||

    I supported a family selling vacuum cleaners door to door 38 years ago. Toughest job in the world. Another example of a bunch of people who know nothing and have never done anything. To make a door to door sale requires a hunger that a volunteer can't have. I doubt anyone was signed up that actually had to fork out any cash themselves. I'm sure the signups were all fully subsidized.

    Anyone who had done door to door sales, or been a commission salesman would know this could not work. But, none of these people have done anything except collect pogie in one form or another.

    I bet they thought it would be the same as getting someone to vote for someone who was going to give them something free!! Whoopee!!

  • Jackand Ace||

    For a guy who has sold, you don't understand how ubiquitous sales is. I answered you above, and I will do so differently here.

    Back in 2001, the Bush administration SOLD this country on a war that cost us $2T and 4,000 American lives. They SOLD it. They got on TV, went on every Sunday morning show, they fed disinformation to reporters, never failed to say "9/11" in the same sentence as they uttered "Iraq." They SOLD it.

    The fact that the ACA is being sold door to door just means they are going even more grass roots than Bush did, but it still was grass roots for both.

    Everything is sales. You are even trying to sell your notion of the imminent failure of what they are doing with the ACA. Its just that I'm not buying it.

  • Sevo||

    "Everything is sales."

    And yet, strangely, you can't sell your bullshit here.
    Wonder why?

  • Carolynp||

    Never worked in sales. I did, however, work as an underwriter for a major insurance company. The ACA isn't an imminent failure, it has already failed in an actuarial sense. The question is how much money will the tax payer continue to shovel into this monstrosity. We could theoretically give every home in the US a nuclear reactor if we billed it to our grandchildren. At least that would be more useful than this project has been.

  • Pulseguy||

    No Jack....everything is not sales. Sometimes something is explanation and conversion through logic and reason.

    However, you missed my point. Even if I agreed with you 'everything is sales' GWB selling the Iraq war is easy. Selling people on Obama is easy. NO ONE PAYS ANYTHING!! Try and get someone to pay $25 to vote for Obama and they wouldn't do it. Try and get someone to sign up for something that costs them $300 pm, that they likely will never use, and that is tough. As they're finding it is nearly impossible.

    I love the ACA. It is the first government program that has an immediate price tag people have to pay. 'You want a big medical system, great! Your share is an extra $200 pm over and above what you were paying. Oh, you don't like it now.' I wish wars were fought the same way. 'We're about to go to war in Iraq it will cost each and every one of you an extra $150 pm taken right out of your paycheck and given to the DoD. So, yes sir, you will have $750 pm taken from you because you and your wife have three kids...every month. Okay, now let's vote who wants to go to war?' We'd never go to war.

  • RishJoMo||

    Jo Didy Samsung is not going to like that much.

    www.Anon-VPN.com

  • croaker||

    I wish someone had called the cops on them for soliciting without a permit just for the lulz. I have no problem with using laws against the fascists.

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