Poll: 50% Oppose, 45% Favor Allowing Cell Phone Calls During Flights

As Ed Krayewski noted earlier and CNN reports today, "The Federal Communications Commission voted 3-2 Thursday to consider lifting its ban on in-flight cell phone use. On the same day, the federal Department of Transportation and three members of Congress took steps to block those calls."

The latest Reason-Rupe poll finds 45 percent of Americans are in favor of allowing cell phone calls during flights, with 50 percent opposed. This level of support is considerably higher than the AP-GfK and Quinnipiac polls this week. AP-Gfk found 19 percent favor allowing passengers to use their cell phones to make calls on planes, 48 percent oppose, and 30 percent don’t have an opinion. Quinnipiac found 30 percent favor and 59 percent oppose such a policy.

However, these questions do not make clear whether Americans want the government to ban their fellow passengers from talking on cell phones during commercial flights, or if they think that decision should be left to the individual airlines. What is clear is that Americans are not enthusiastic about listening to neighboring passengers’ cell phone conversations during flights.

Differences in age significantly impact support for a policy change. 56 percent of Americans under 35 favor allowing people make calls on flights while 41 percent are opposed.   In contrast 60 percent of those over 55 years old oppose allowing cell phone calls on flights while 33 percent are in favor.

Slim majorities of Republicans and independents oppose their fellow passengers making cell phone calls, and Democrats are evenly divided. Among Republicans who don’t identify as tea party supporters, 57 percent oppose and 39 percent favor allowing cell phone calls on flights, while tea party supporters are evenly divided.

Nationwide telephone poll conducted Dec 4-8 2013 interviewed 1011 adults on both mobile (506) and landline (505) phones, with a margin of error +/- 3.7%. Princeton Survey Research Associates International executed the nationwide Reason-Rupe survey. Columns may not add up to 100% due to rounding. Full poll results, detailed tables, and methodology found here. Sign up for notifications of new releases of the Reason-Rupe poll here.

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  • playa manhattan||

    "The Federal Communications Commission voted 3-2 Thursday to consider lifting its ban on in-flight cell phone use"

    That's weird. I don't remember any of these commissioners showing up on my ballot.

    Independents thread!

  • playa manhattan||

    Look what Frank dAnconia made me do. It's not even on tonight.

    Damn you, Frankie D!

  • SweatingGin||

    You can watch the Womb Broom.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    I had it typed in waiting to hit submit. I've been robbed!

  • playa manhattan||

    Sorry to bother you on such a lovely eve, but I have a career question. I'm thinking of becoming a pilot. Would you recommend it?

    About my personality: I don't make mistakes, and I get bored easily, but not bored enough to neglect my duties.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    How are you planning to do it, civilian or military? Are you planning on doing it for a living or are you just looking to get your private pilots license for recreation?

  • playa manhattan||

    Civilian. I have the means to pay for the training to get a commercial pilot's license. I just don't know if it is worth the time or money.

    I will get a private pilots license for recreation at some point, I'm 100 percent sure of that.

    I'm considering a career. Salary isn't that big a deal to me; I'm 34 and I already have my house paid off. My real concern is the quality of life of commercial pilots. Is it fulfilling? I know the travel benefits would be awesome once my kids are on their own, but I have heard some pretty horrific pilot stories.

  • Paul.||

    Large commercial aircraft? Very hard to get the experience and hours logged to even get behind the wheel of one if you're not ex-military/airforce.

    Last I heard, all the Airlines tend to lean towards former military pilots, because they're everything you'd expect from years of government training.

    /Rip Torn.

  • SweatingGin||

    No real knowledge on the subject, but...

    Isn't it pretty much commercial is flying cargo in the middle of the night, unless you have such massive amounts of hours that you were in the military?

    I got the impression from an old college roommate/buddy that the hour requirements were so high that most would never get to commercial passenger flights, and that other levels didn't pay well.

  • Paul.||

    Isn't it pretty much commercial is flying cargo in the middle of the night, unless you have such massive amounts of hours that you were in the military?

    It certainly was when I last was kicking around the idea (80s). My father (former Airforce Colonel) said to me, "Yeah, you're really going to want to be ex-airforce/military/navy pilot to be a commercial airline pilot, because you'll never get the required hours".

    Now, I know/knew a guy whose brother was a commercial airline pilot without being ex-military, and even he admitted that his brother was extremely driven, and took every flying job in every podunk air-cargo system there was from coast to coast to get his hours. It can be done, but my understanding is it's hella hard.

  • SweatingGin||

    Do you like gladiator movies, Playa?

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    have you ever been…in a Turkish Prison?

  • playa manhattan||

    Thanks to everybody (excluding the Airplane! movie comments) for your input, much appreciated.

  • ||

    Playa, this will take a while and I don't want to garbage up the thread. I just updated my moniker to give you an email address. Click on it and email me and I'll answer any questions you have.

    Going the civilian route is a long hard grind to get the hours required. Particularly if you want to fly for a major airline.

  • playa manhattan||

    Thanks. I will email you from my personal email account (not my fake one) tomorrow.

  • ||

    Oh and I seldom check that address so let me know when you hit send.

  • playa manhattan||

    I'm leaving for my much anticipated vacation soon, so if I don't get to it tomorrow, it will be a few weeks.

    Thanks so much in advance.

  • ||

    No problem. If you can copy the email address now I can change it back to a website. Preview doesn't work if it's associated with an email.

    Thx.

  • playa manhattan||

    Got it. Easy to remember.

  • Bam!||

  • SweatingGin||

    Awesome, have to really go spelunking there.

    Just saw the fractional forum. I don't need a private jet, but a share that gives a few hours a week on one would be just fine.

  • playa manhattan||

    I have so many questions about this comment. For one, what would you need a private jet a few hours a week for? Renditions?

  • ||

    He's posting here, not Commentary. Clearly he needs to handily evade borders to bring in contraband exotic orphans for resale at a huge markup.

  • ||

    That's where I get my orphans. SG has the hardest working orphans in town.

  • ||

    That's where I get my orphans. SG has the hardest working orphans in town.

    I usually don't go for luxury orphan. Then you have to dedicate extra orphan effort toward orphan maintenance to preserve your investment.

    I usually just go to the local Ikea Orphanareum. Sure they fall apart quickly, but they're replaceable and flatpack orphan is so easy to transport.

  • Paul.||

    I have so many questions about this comment. For one, what would you need a private jet a few hours a week for? Renditions?

    No, Inceptions.

  • Sukkoi19||

    There aren't a lot of jobs out there right now. The usual order of progression is: Flight Instructor to Regional Airlines to Major Airlines. Once the Majors stop hiring everything grinds to a stand still. It has been really slow for the last 4 years or so.

    Getting your CFI would be a good start. If you have the funds ($30 or so) and the will that would be the best route to go. Get your total time up on somebody else's dime and try and get 100 hours or so of multi time. Go from there and see what the market looks like.

  • Sukkoi19||

    Heh heh I wish it was $30. Meant to say $30000.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    The site say M, W & F.

    But wasn't it on Tuesday night? I mean I was drunk and shit, but did I miss a whole day in there?

  • playa manhattan||

    Add that to my question above:
    I like beer. I mean I think I might be in love with beer, just not when I'm working.

  • SweatingGin||

    Monday THROUGH Wednesday, and Friday.

    You're drunk now, aren't you?

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    last time I was sober, man I felt bad.
    Worst hangover I ever had.

  • playa manhattan||

    Did you get your Sriracha?

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    no the 3 stores I checked don't carry it to begin with.

  • playa manhattan||

    That would never happen in Vancouver.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    They were chain markets too.

  • Ted S.||

    Is "sriracha" the latest trendy food, like quinoa or chai? I never heard anything about it until a couple of months ago, and suddenly it seems to be showing up everywhere.

  • playa manhattan||

    Hard for me to say personally. There are lots of southeast Asians here in LA, and it is manufactured here. As far as I know, it has been around forever . I'm sure other parts of the country are different, though.

  • ||

    It seems to have developed a cult status recently, but as playa said, it's been pretty ubiquitous around here for a while. We've been making jokes about putting cock sauce on our food since at least the mid-2000s.

  • playa manhattan||

    They used to have it on the tables at Panda Express in the 90's. I remember because one of my friends drank half a bottle on a dare in high school.

  • ||

    Is "sriracha" the latest trendy food, like quinoa or chai? I never heard anything about it until a couple of months ago, and suddenly it seems to be showing up everywhere.

    All I know is that it started showing up here in Prague a few years ago and is now pretty easy to get, which is awesome. I mean, was awesome.

  • SweatingGin||

    Worst 45 minutes of my life.

  • playa manhattan||

    That's called a 4-10 when you work for the government.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Ooops.

    Let's see it's Thursday at 7:30 pm, yep, I'm drunk.

  • Ted S.||

    Let's see it's Thursday at 7:30 pm, yep, I'm drunk.

    What makes Thursday at 7:30 PM (I presume you're in Moutain Time) different from any other time?

  • ||

    It's the time that's pertinent, not the day.

  • playa manhattan||

    I go by when the sun goes down. You guys in the north really have a leg up on me in the winter.

  • SweatingGin||

    Listen, and understand. That Emily is out there. She can't be bargained with. She can't be reasoned with. She doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And she absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are polled.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    DON'T BADMOUTH EMILY EKINS!

    I think sheee's purdy!

  • playa manhattan||

    I saw her in my neighborhood a while back. She looked familiar, but it didn't immediately register...

  • Paul.||

    How was the view from your vantage point, lurking behind the dumpsters as you followed her?

  • playa manhattan||

    So you are pretty much asking what she looked like from behind. Have you no shame, sir?

  • SweatingGin||

    That was a compliment.

    She's still a polling machine.

  • playa manhattan||

    Nice CYA dude.

  • SweatingGin||

    Actually on topic, I tortured myself a bit with the XM Marxist channel on my way to work this morning.

    Host was entirely opposed to calls on planes. Of course.

    This afternoon's Bitcoin /Casciscius (however it is spelled) really made me realize -- the flip to a society where you have to ask permission for everything happened. It was nice to have that delusion that it wasn't there yet. As it is, though, as one government agency loosens it's grasp on a tiny, inconsequential thing, another comes forward to regulate it.

    Of all the dystopian worlds -- wouldn't have guessed Brazil. But here we are.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Here's an unofficial survey:

    99.5% of Reason commenters love Lobster girl.

  • ||

    I posted a story about a lobster on the last thread. Right when it died and was replaced by this one.

  • ||

    An "18" pound lobster.

  • playa manhattan||

    Hey, each of the saline bags were 9 lbs each!

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Right now I hate my family for choosing this location to immigrate to.

  • playa manhattan||

    go on...

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    it's been -25 for the last week.

  • SweatingGin||

    It's been in the teens (Fahrenheit) in MI this week.

    Look at it this way -- can go ice fishing on Christmas.... Because you won't be able to get through the ice in January.

  • ||

    I support whatever decision each airline makes for itself, being that they nominally own their business. Heh, just kidding! The whole thing belongs to the Executive Branch and we'll bend to their decision. All Hail the Great Alliance!

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Normally I hate these.
    But 26 facts about BEERS

  • playa manhattan||

    I only made it 10 seconds. I'm glad they gave that mentally disabled fellow a job, though.

  • Generic Stranger||

    I made it to 13 seconds. Fucking hipsters.

  • SweatingGin||

    I made it 1:43, and I hate everyone in it.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Dinesh D'Souza makes a joke about Obama being a grown - up version of Trayvon Martin, Michael Moore suggests a Secret Service investigation.

    http://twitchy.com/2013/11/27/.....tin-tweet/

  • Paul.||

    "The Federal Communications Commission voted 3-2 Thursday to consider lifting its ban on in-flight cell phone use.

    I'm all breathless... they voted, by narrow majority to maybe think about letting us do something which is perfectly safe.

    And as stated above, a five member pentabunal or whatever ominous name you could give it... a five member panel of unelected bureaucrats who have never been on a ballot, never will be and have zero accountability to the American public.

  • playa manhattan||

    I sort of said the same thing in the first comment, but of course, you said it better than I did. You must be angrier than me.

  • Paul.||

    Hey, I said 'as stated above'. Sorry I didn't call ye out buh name!

  • playa manhattan||

    I missed that. My brain isn't getting enough blood due to my vacation boner.

  • ||

    Are you in Hawaii yet? GET THEE SOME LAU LAU AT ONO'S.

  • ||

    Damn it, now I'm hungry for Tonkatsu Ginza Bairin.

    Eat there before they ban frying meat in delicious imported cottonseed oil!

    (Wiki says: some health experts claim that cottonseed oil’s high ratio of polyunsaturated fats to monounsaturated fats and processed nature make it unhealthy)

  • playa manhattan||

    I don't care if they fry it in asbestos. If it tastes good, I will eat it.

  • ||

    It's one of or THE original tonkatsu place in Japan and they have a second restaurant in the Waikiki area. It's very good. One of the options is they give you a bowl of sesame seeds with a mortar and pestle and you grind your own dipping sauce. Do that.

  • Warrren||

    Is that where my asbestos soaked orphans have been disappearing to?

  • ||

    There's a place that serves really good tonkatsu and BBQ pork in the International District here in Seattle. I haven' been there in a while. I should go.

  • playa manhattan||

    I fly out Saturday morning. Here is the weather report:
    http://www.accuweather.com/en/.....ast/337851

  • ||

    I know what the weather report is without looking. 82-86 and sunny every single day. You're welcome.

  • playa manhattan||

    What does it say about the chances of being drunk? Because I would like to be mildly drunk for 8 days straight.

  • ||

  • Paul.||

    LAU LAU AT ONO'S.

    Is that what the young people call it these days?

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    It's not safe if the person in the seat next to you gouges your eyes out with a nailclipper for talking on the phone the entire flight.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    And as stated above, a five member pentabunal or whatever ominous name you could give it... a five member panel of unelected bureaucrats who have never been on a ballot, never will be and have zero accountability to the American public.

    You do realize their common-sense decision is about to be overruled by a 535 member panel who have been on ballots?

  • ||

    James Bond should be dead from alcoholism

    The study authors calculate that the total elapsed time in the 12 novels added up to 123.5 days, during which 007 consumed 9,201.2 grams of pure alcohol. (That’s not the combined volume of his many cocktails -- that’s just the amount of 200-proof ethanol.) This works out to 521.6 grams of pure alcohol per week, or 74.5 grams per day.
    [...]
    But that’s just an average. The peak of 007’s drinking came on Day 3 of the mission described in “From Russia With Love.” During that 24-hour period, 007 drank a whopping 398.4 grams of pure alcohol, the study authors calculated. To consume that much alcohol, you’d have to down about 14 vodka martinis (assuming they’re made with the 100-proof vodka, the strongest option listed on this handy cocktail content calculator from the U.S. National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, one of the National Institutes of Health). If you’re drinking something more tame, like beer or wine, it would take about 25 glasses to get the same amount of alcohol.
    These drinking habits would put Bond at serious risk of some serious diseases, including hypertension, stroke, depression and sexual dysfunction, “which would considerably affect his womanising,” the study notes.

    Call Kenny Loggins James, because you're in the Danger Zone.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    What about Mad Men?

  • SweatingGin||

    Lightweight.

  • Winston||

    People have been pointing this out for decades?

  • Bam!||

    But the car with machine gun headlights is real.

  • Ted S.||

    I've lost count. Have we hit Lou Reed's death level on the number of posts on one topic yet?

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Lou Reed died?

  • Winston||

    Social Tolerance?

  • Winston||

    Also is that budget deal proof of the Libertarian Era?

    Even if we were to assume that the GOP could propose something that results in smaller deficits how many people would support it and how many would oppose it because it cuts too little?

    Not to mention the Dems would refuse to compromise leading to a "shutdown" which benefits the Dems since the people want Congress to Get Things Done.

  • Irish||

    Salon will publish anyone, no matter how terrible their writing, provided they are willing to discuss the horrible racism lurking at the heart of the American Dream.

    I am currently the Fiction Editor at a magazine called The Good Men Project. I also teach for a program called Writers in the Schools, which matches writers to school systems. They look at our resumes or our faces or hear us talk or read our work and then they determine a “placement.” I have been matched to an all-boys Catholic school, fifth grade. Though I requested kindergarten to elementary, or in lieu of that, high school. Though I have a daughter and am far better suited to raising a daughter than I would be to raising a son. They saw what they wanted to see.

    Someone who writes like this is a fiction editor?

    The magazine has run into its own fair share of privilege problems, in fact, including publishing a string of essays on the subject of rape. Part of the problem in publishing these essays, even as a way into a conversation, is the privilege the male voice already has in defining and framing an act that is most often forced on women. The magazine didn’t offer a perspective sensitive to that position, or anticipate clearly what it would mean for a venue called The Good Men Project to run an essay by an unapologetic rapist.
  • SweatingGin||

    Brb, submitting epic troll to Salon.

    Anyone got a fake name I can use for this? They'll pick out Rusty Shackleford for sure.

  • Irish||

    There's no point. Every comment there is making fun of it.

    UnabashedProg 13 hours ago
    "... I have learned that some families call the day their adopted son/daughter arrived, “Gotcha Day.” I have been in shock over this term, too..." Dude, you seem to spend your life shocked and outraged - drink some tea and calm the fuck down...ps - you're boring as shit, too - now own that!
  • Irish||

    Also, given his strident lack of fake sympathy, I don't think that guy is actually an UnabashedProg.

    That's a pretty good fake troll name.

  • playa manhattan||

    Chad Henderson.

  • Irish||

    This is something I see all the time now, in this “post-racist,” “post-sexist” society: those with privilege trying to get out of responsibility for that privilege by claiming that we’re all equal now, or at least, “I’m a liberal/not racist/not sexist, so.” Or those with privilege displaying what is commonly referred to, as I understand it, as white guilt, saying “I’ll just never understand because I’m not like you” (read: why try?), or, “I don’t really have a better life” (don’t blame me!), or “Your culture is wonderful, I eat your food” (don’t blame me, I love kimchi!).

    Anyone thinking of becoming a writer should read this post, and consider what modern left-wing ideology does to the quality of a person's prose. It is impossible to write well when seriously using words like 'cisgendered,' cramming 'privilege' into every other sentence, and going over every word to make sure it didn't have a racist double meaning in 1864.

  • SweatingGin||

    Why do you have to be so niggardly with the word "privilege"?

  • ||

    Ideology is poison to art. Always has been, always will be. Thank Jeebus.

  • Winston||

    Witness Aaron Sorkin and the first two seasons of TNG.

  • Irish||

    He's a fiction editor Epi! Surely there must be some standards for a fiction editor.

    Then again, he is fiction editor at that fever swamp The Good Men Project.

    Read as The Good Men Project explains to you What Happens When Our Emotions Stay in Our Bodies.

    Most of us can recall a time growing up where we were discouraged from releasing a painful emotion by well-meaning adults. Parents tell little boys to “be a tough guy” or “shake it off” when they get hurt, while women are encouraged and socialized to discuss their feelings. Our bodies hang on to what happens with our emotions—even if we’ve “talked ourselves out of it.” The physical and emotional impact of unexpressed pain is one that lasts. Unexpressed pain sticks around.

    SCIENCE!

  • Winston||

    Where's Sybok when you need him?

  • ||

    Hasn't neuropsychology told us that by expressing and talking about our emotions we actually strengthen the neuropathways that make them operate so talking about our feelings makes them more intense and being classically British about them minimizes them?

    Or did I just imagine that?

  • Irish||

  • Warrren||

    Fuck!

  • Warrren||

    Fuuuck!

  • Warrren||

    Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    I get angrier when someone tells me I'm acting angry.

  • Irish||

    Stop being so fucking angry.

  • Warrren||

    Not COOL!

  • Tejicano||

    No shit. My step-mother has always told me I need to "let it out" more often. That it's good for me.

    She's the one on meds for high blood pressure. I'm the one, past middle age, and BP still holding at about 115/70.

  • ||

    Part of the problem in publishing these essays, even as a way into a conversation, is the privilege the male voice already has in defining and framing an act that is most often forced on women.

    You know, women should just start raping men, for equality! This bitching about how nobody understands because "privilege" is tiresome.

  • Winston||

    So has "privilege" officially become one of those words that are total gibberish and are now just a bunch of sounds?

    Oh wait "gibberish" might have come from Gaelic or Arabic! My privilege is showing!

  • SweatingGin||

    By way of Jesse Walker's twitter: Soviet Christmas Cards

  • From the Tundra||

    Sweet! I like the one where Santa is emptying his bag of nukes on the enemies of the state. Nothing says Christmas like explosions!

  • Bam!||

  • Generic Stranger||

    Soviet Santa is a massive dick.

  • Warrren||

    And what's with the blue-striped t-shirts. Is it a national icon with those people?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    No, just their naval uniform.

  • Warrren||

    Ah. Commie Claus is in the People's Glorious Navy.

  • MJGreen||

    Sheesh. They get one monkey into space, and then everything is about rocket ships.

  • ||

    Slate crime reporter, obsessed with accidental gun deaths, figures out a solution

    Again and again, kids shoot themselves or other kids with their parents' guns, guns that were left in the corner, or on a nightstand, or under a pillow. These firearms were put away loaded, or with a forgotten round in the chamber. The kids shouldn’t have been able to access these guns, but somehow still did. They die in red states and in blue states. They die in rural and urban areas. They die as toddlers and as teenagers.

    As much as anything else, these children are victims of faulty assumptions, all of which stem from the idea that the state has no business establishing and enforcing coherent gun safety standards.

    There are a few simple rules that, if followed, would almost entirely eliminate unintentional child shooting deaths. Always keep your gun on your person or at arm’s length. If it is not on your person, it should be in a gun safe, preferably unloaded. When you are unloading the gun, check to see if the chamber is clear. Never let your children use a gun unsupervised.

    These are not controversial rules. They’re common sense. But rather than make them explicit, we tend to assume that gun owners understand them.

    Brilliant. You think he can figure out some rules that, if followed, could stop drunk driving?

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    Not sure what your point is. Drunk driving is way down from where it was in the 1970s.

    I like the "obsessed with accidental gun deaths" line too. Change "gun" to "drone" and I suspect Reasonoids will suddenly get obsessed too (as they should be, of course, but you guys act like accidental gun deaths are no big deal).

  • ||

    My point is that he comes up with some common-sense gun safety tips that the vast majority of gun owners know.

    He then proceeds to complain at how the occurrence accidental shootings show that we can't assume people are smart enough to follow these rules.

    So he proposes laws to make that happen. But the laws only work IF FOLLOWED, which brings us right back to where we started.

    If the fear of losing your child isn't enough to make you lock up your guns, how will safe storage laws work? They can only prosecute after an accident has happened.

    Change "gun" to "drone" and I suspect Reasonoids will suddenly get obsessed too (as they should be, of course, but you guys act like accidental gun deaths are no big deal).

    It's very easy to stop drone bombing weddings: you simply stop drone bombing weddings.

    How can you possible stop accidental gun shootings without unworkable legislation that breaches basic privacy and gun rights?

  • Irish||

    I'd also like to point out that these same liberals never give credit to NRA efforts to teach gun safety.

    Those efforts do more to decrease accidental shootings than any government law would.

  • Redmanfms||

    I'd also like to point out that these same liberals never give credit to NRA efforts to teach gun safety.

    I used to volunteer as an Eddie Eagle gun safety program teacher in local schools.

    Not only do leftards not give credit, they clutch pearls and work quite hard to keep the NRA from teaching gun safety to children. They make up a bunch of blatant bullshit and then get the pearl-clutching idiot soccer mommies to have us barred from teaching children, even as "opt-in" classes (IOW, the parents have to sign up their children for the instruction). The lies usually involve claims that we "glorify gun ownership" and teach "marksmanship to grade-schoolers so they can better murder their classmates" (no shit, actually had a fat progtard bitch state that at a PTA meeting).

    What we actually taught:

    If you find a gun,

    1. Stop.
    2. Don't touch.
    3. Tell an adult.

    But because it was connected to the NRA, "Ermagerd, GUN LOBBY!!!11!1!111"

    Of course, I've never heard of a gun-grabber children's gun safety program, much less seen them volunteering in schools to teach kids. It's almost like they don't actually give a shit about children.

    Those efforts do more to decrease accidental shootings than any government law would.

    Like I said, it's almost like they don't give a shit about children, except as props for their politics.

  • Generic Stranger||

    but you guys act like accidental gun deaths are no big deal

    Compared to other things that cause far more accidental deaths and injury, and yet are completely ignored, it isn't.

    More people are struck by lightening each year than killed in a firearm accident. You are far, far more likely to be hurt or injured driving your car, falling off a ladder, or drowning in a fucking pool. But nobody goes into hysterics about those things.

    Fact of the matter is that the firearms community has worked pretty hard to create a culture of safety, and for the most part it's worked. But nannies with an axe to grind continue to try and use it as an excuse to institute more laws and lock even more people up, even though it won't make a damn but of difference.

  • Redmanfms||

    I like the "obsessed with accidental gun deaths" line too. Change "gun" to "drone" and I suspect Reasonoids will suddenly get obsessed too (as they should be, of course, but you guys act like accidental gun deaths are no big deal).

    Drone deaths aren't accidental you fucking moron.

    Every once in a while I give one of your posts a chance and read it, but you never fail to post something incredibly stupid.

  • Warrren||

    And now proggies will claim they invented gun safety rules.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    How about this: you're allowed to use your cell phone on flights, but if anyone within 10 feet of you asks that you get off the phone, and you fail to do so, they are allowed to drag you back to the bathroom and give you a swirlie.

  • Generic Stranger||

    How about this: mind your own fucking business.

  • ||

    I'd probably choose non-Handy-talking flights over those that allowed it, and I'm sure airlines will provide them.

    At a small premium of course.

  • Generic Stranger||

    I just don't see how it is any different than someone carrying on a conversation with the person next to them, unless they're an asshole who thinks you have to shout into a phone to be heard. But then those types of people are likely to be annoying assholes with or without a phone.

  • ||

    The problem with cell phones is people interpret their use as a private space even while they're in public. The topics of conversation get weird fast.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    If I can hear your conversation, it's my business.

  • ||

    Look bro, I'm just trying to tell my bro about the gnarly case of the clap I got from the donkey hooker in TJ, could you mind your own fucking business ya perv?

  • Warrren||

    Why hello!

  • ||

    ;)

    They say the donkey clap infected are the best lovers.

  • Irish||

    It's 2013, Jessie, not the '50s anymore.

    There's nothing 'transgressive' about having the donkey clap. Pretty much everyone has it these days.

  • ||

    Oh really, Irish? And do you have donkey clap?

    If you do I might go all The Sneetches and go get it treated.

  • Warrren||

    Awww...

  • Paul.||

    You know, if people would learn cell phone conversation technique, no one would ever complain about a cell phone conversation happening to them. Well, except in a movie theater...

  • Paul.||

    Happening near them... ok, almost the same thing.

  • Warrren||

    Well, with the Wartyfoner it's the same thing.

  • playa manhattan||

    RAAAACIST!

  • Paul.||

    Oh, and if you want cell phones banned, then I want fucking "service chihuahuas" banned the fuck right now.

    If your ass isn't blind, feeling your way along the aisle with a red and white striped cane, with an absolutely docile golden retriever who's better behaved than 100% of the children on board, you don't have a service animal. The end. No more discussion. You may leave by the nearest exit or be thrown off the nearest exit. The choice is yours, counting down from five now...

  • playa manhattan||

    I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

  • Paul.||

    Next month's edition:

    Getting kids off your lawn in 3 easy steps.

    And bonus feature: Remembering back to getting laid. Was it worth it?

  • playa manhattan||

    Last year there was a woman at the airport with a "therapy" dog, obviously because she was the type of person who can't get along with human beings. A little rat looking yappy dog, totally ugly. My 2 year old (then one) walked up to it and said "Dada! Look! A cat!" The woman flipped the fuck out that my toddler/baby mis-identified her companion animal and proceeded to have a long and drawn out meltdown. They ended up not letting her on the flight, for which I am very grateful.

  • BiMonSciFiCon||

    Any dog under 50 lbs is a cat. And cats are useless.

  • Sevo||

    So, you reckon Lil Kim just got pissed at him yacking on the damn phone?
    "NKorea executes leader's uncle as a traitor"
    Or is Lil Kim a raging, paranoid maniac?
    http://www.sfgate.com/news/wor.....to-5577719
    Oh, yeah: OT.

  • ||

    This is after he executed his ex-girlfriend in front of her entire family, so I'd go with psychopath.

  • Sevo||

    It doesn't take a lot of reflection to see that if Kim believes his uncle was part of some cabal, there's going to be a lot more heads rolling.
    Stalin and Mao got away with that sort of stuff because the reserve of sycophants was as large as it was; does Kim have that 'luxury'?

  • Warrren||

    Maybe they'll try for him before they get whacked. NorKo civil war!

  • ||

    He might get away with purging some diplomats or the guys in charge of iron production, but there's no way he could go after the brass without any resistance from them.

  • Warrren||

    And I'm sure the Chinese have their own interests they'll be looking out for.

  • Sevo||

    "And I'm sure the Chinese have their own interests they'll be looking out for."

    This prolly trumps any aces Kim's got in his hand.
    No way China allows a nuclear war on the Asian mainland and I'd doubt they'd let him attack SoK even with conventional weapons.
    China has enough problems on their own.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Forget the selfie, make way for the lelfie

  • Warrren||

    How about The Elf on the Shelfie?

  • Warrren||

    No?

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    How the hell did Hammacher Schlemmer find my new address??
    |

  • Sevo||

    Quit spending $110K with them each year and they'll start to ignore you.

  • Sevo||

    'Scuse me.
    The threshold is $100K, not $110K.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Someone tried to tell me the Chargers beat the Broncos.

  • Warrren||

    'Tis the truth milord!

  • Sevo||

    It was the cold weather...

  • Warrren||

    Shrinkage!

  • ||

    Callous libertarians say: Bah-Humbug

    Todayʼs liberals and progressives...still believe the American conservative who espouses a free market-I got mine-you get yours philosophy can be changed if only shown the damage such a viewpoint engenders. They believe the Dickensian myth that care for others and love of social justice lies just below the surface of callous disregard for the common good.
    [...]
    Change did not come to mid-19th century English society through the conversion of the moneyed classes to altruism. It came about through struggle and vision of how economic and technological forces could be used to temper the power and greed of those who would hold onto wealth at the cost of a depressed and growing underclass...

    The promise of hope and change proclaimed in the 2008 elections has been blocked by an unchanging minority in the legislative branch of government with the collusion of moneyed interests and gerrymandered voting blocs. Hoping for change will change little or nothing. It is the hopers who must change finding the courage to risk upsetting the recalcitrant opponents of a fairer and more just society. Take the ball away from the Lucy's and use a tee or find someone else who can be trusted to hold the ball in place.

    Social justice is Charlie Brown beating up Lucy and taking the football.

  • Irish||

    It's staggering how anti-intellectual everything written on HuffPo is. There is not a single fact uttered nor an argument advanced. They start from the belief that their argument is self-evidently correct, and that no one could ever come to a different conclusion except through callous indifference to human suffering.

    Listening to these nitwits try and call themselves 'reality based' or 'pro-science' is like watching a 4 year old try to tell you he's a grown up.

  • playa manhattan||

    This.
    I guessed Thomas Friedman before I checked the link. Especially with the non-sequiter football analogy.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Let's recap. A senile old hippie is oblivious to the fact that A Christmas Carol is Dickens just plagarizing the old Medievil fables about the miracle of the "greedy" Jew converting to the TRUE FAITH*. Then, he claims this is the message he gets from the story:

    Perhaps Dickens, in fooling us into believing people change of their own accord, did point out a truth that the soft "Charlie Brown" like left could learn in dealing with money obsessed right. Do not be afraid to use power in isolating them in their own obsession. If you want change, then you must become the agent of change.


    That's some straight up scary Final Solution/Gulag Archipelago shit, right there. A perfect summary of the mind of a Progressive.

    *For extra fun, read up on the reactions of Dickens many Jewish friends who read the draft. Basically they were like "First you pull Fagin on us, and now this shit?" Of course, the audience of the time would have picked up on that Scrooge was Scottish, another ethnic group having the stereotype of being "frugal".

  • Sevo||

    If they didn't have lies to promote, they wouldn't have anything. Look at Tony...

  • Irish||

    Tony's gotten more and more hilarious. His sentences don't even make sense anymore.

  • Warrren||

    When Obamacare cures global warming and reintroduces the wooly mammoth he'll have the last laugh!

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Seriously. A combination of buzzwords and gibberish. Meaningless drivel.

  • Warrren||

    You hate the poor and want to pull the ladder up behind you and use the government you get rid of to oppress the people you want to have a fair chance of success and prosperity.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Ladies and gents, we've found our puppeteer.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Change did not come to mid-19th century English society through the conversion of the moneyed classes to altruism. It came about through struggle and vision of how economic and technological forces could be used to temper the power and greed of those who would hold onto wealth at the cost of a depressed and growing underclass...


    Absolutely right, the growth of economic liberalism allowed British (Scottish, really) free enterprise to attempt to kill off the vestiges of feudalism that allowed the British government to rape the land to feed their cronies.
  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Wow, I fucked that formatting up!

  • playa manhattan||

    Yeah, but what has Scotland done lately?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Walked 1,000 miles?

  • Warrren||

    It has been proclaimed!

  • ||

    It'll be interesting to see Scotland gain independence and go full-on commie next year.

  • playa manhattan||

    My grandma was born there but moved here as a young child. My grandparents went back there on a trip in retirement, and she concluded that any Scotsman worth 2 shits no longer lived in Scotland.

  • ||

    They have a really, really strong socialist bent for some reason I can't figure out. Maybe the gene pool really was hollowed out by immigration and centuries of being British canon fodder.

    Also, I've never seen a hot Scottish woman.

  • ||

    Also, I've never seen a hot Scottish woman.

    I assume you mean in person. Because...

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Mmmmmmm Rose Leslie.

    I likes em touched by fire!

  • ||

    I'm pretty sure she's the only one. But then I've only seen one hot Irish woman also, well pretty hot, in real life. Something went very wrong with the Celts, or at least the ones that stayed.

  • Tejicano||

    Yeah, it's like they never learned about their own history and then when seeing the movie Braveheart the only thing they took away was that wanting to be free will get you eviscerated in front of a crowd of cheering people.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Take the ball away from the Lucy's

    Really, bro? You possess the grammatical skill of a 12 year old posting a comment on an Xbox forum.

  • playa manhattan||

    I noticed that. Even my iPhone would catch that.

  • ||

    Note that he's a psychotherapist and teacher. What the fuck does he know about economics, history, or politics?

  • playa manhattan||

    I just got the new Cheaper than Dirt catalog in the mail. I'll be in my bunk.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • playa manhattan||

    I'll be that woman one day, god willing.

  • Warrren||

    You're probably more attractive.

    No homo.

    Ok, some homo.

  • playa manhattan||

    It's a low bar. Nothing wrong with stating the facts.

  • Warrren||

    I assume Jesse has met you so I'll go with his appraisal.

  • ||

    He and I have never met even though we live within walking distance of each other (although he did almost run me over). I blame sloopy.

    Facebook indicates he's a good looking guy and he's got FiOS Quantum Business, which makes him downright dreamy.

  • ||

    That is excellent.

  • Generic Stranger||

    The howdah pistol was a nice touch.

  • Generic Stranger||

    Hmm, looking again it looks like it was just a sawed-off double barrel. Still cool, but not quite as much.

  • Warrren||

    12 cases of facile tissue only 2.99!

  • Warrren||

    *facial

  • playa manhattan||

    I never made it to the kleenex page. So much other stuff to drool over... Maybe I need some kleenex.

  • ||

    Why hello!

  • ||

    Buzzfeed challenge for the cold-hearted: 8 moments guaranteed to make you happy cry

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Sorry. A man is only allowed to shed a tear, one single tear, at his mother's funeral. You cry at any of that other shit and even (Uncle?) jesse* up there will gay-bash you. Sissy.

    He's this one, not that one.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    Crying: Acceptable at funerals and the Grand Canyon.

  • Warrren||

    10 minutes after my mom's rites I was in a small-town Texas dive having one of the best hamburgers I've ever eaten. If there was a tear, it was one of happiness.

  • ||

    A man is only allowed to shed a tear, one single tear, at his mother's funeral.

    Not even for this?

    Or this?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Not even if you were this guy.

  • ||

    You SF'd the link.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Old Yeller?

  • ||

    Brian's Song and The Champ.

  • Warrren||

    Also the original Rollerball.

  • Warrren||

    The end of the movie Plague Dogs was pretty emotional.

  • ||

    That video was weak. Heartstrings not tugged.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Heartless bastard!

  • ||

  • ||

    Shorter version: Aww honey you're wearing an off pink shirt and weeping like a girl, I've known you were gay since you were 3.

    Why is this 11 minutes long!?

    (I am happy for him that this went well for him, but tears have not been jerked)

  • ||

    Tough crowd, tough crowd.

  • ||

    Play the end credits for a Disney movie and I'll suddenly have very bad allergies, but most emotionally cloying things just annoy me.

  • ||

    For some reason I'm unaffected by Pixar or Disney. Even as a kid The Lion King didn't get to me. Ditto more recently with Up.

  • ||

    Sometimes I'm not even invested in the story and I'll get misty at the end of it. It's one of my mid-level shames.

  • ||

    You cried at the end of Cars?

  • ||

    I never saw Cars. Also I don't CRY, there are no rolling teardrops. My eyes get watery and my throat closes up. I'm clearly allergic to the ends of Disney Movies. Wall-E was a bad one for me.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    I love you, man.

    In a strictly, platonic sorta way.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Mom's cool, but he's a pussy. Grab your sac dude.

  • playa manhattan||

    "I thought you had run over a pedestrian."

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    I cried at the end of Terminator 2.
    But I was young.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    I cried at the end of Terminator 2.
    But I was young.

  • ||

    This Ron Burgundy-Peyton Manning taped interview seems ill-timed given that he just lost to a .500 team at home and now will most likely have to beat Tom Brady in Foxboro to get to the Super Bowl.

  • Brian D||

    I'm having a hard time thinking a team that needed tons of help to just barely squeak by a Jason Campbell-led Browns team has much of a chance to win out the rest of the regular season, much less pose a serious threat in the playoffs.

    And I'm a Patriots fan.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    ZOMG!!! CLIMATE CHANGE!!!!

  • ||

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    is it wrong I laughed hard?

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

  • Brian||

    Poll: 50% Oppose, 45% Favor Allowing Cell Phone Calls During Flights

    Now that you mention it... I can' think of about a few thousand places where the government hasn't decided cell phones should or should not be allowed. How in the hell did we let this happen?

    Anarchy! Chaos!

  • Warrren||

    Anarchaos!

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Roadless Somalia!

  • Warrren||

    Roadlessomalia!

  • ||

    http://www.bravotv.com/princes.....-to-amanda

    If you didn't hate humanity before...

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    why would you even know that existed?

  • ||

    Roommate sent it to me while screaming in a rage about how much she hated people. I figured I'd pass it on.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Who, exactly, are these people?

  • Warrren||

    Kim Kierkegardashian https://twitter.com/KimKierkegaard

    Can't wait for you to try my new fragrance. It reeks of modern life's nauseating air.
    Weary of people, weary of myself, so weary that I need an eternity to rest. That's why I always carry a pillow when I'm traveling.
    I am in the profoundest sense an unhappy individual; my suffering borders on madness. But when Destiny's Child came out, that made my life!
  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas. A bankrupt age disguises itself in extravagance.
    To regard your neighbor as yourself, see that he is as real as yourself. He also wants to look tan & glowy, especially through the holidays.
  • ||

    I followed that account for a while, but its repetitive nature started to cause ennui. Plus she gives poor makeup advice.

  • playa manhattan||

    After last night, we all know that her secret is photoshop. Some of Matt & Trey's best work yet...

  • ||

    Oh yeah, the new South Park is out. Need to totally legally download that.

  • Warrren||

  • General Butt Naked||

    The second one is even funnier.

    "They should put birth control in red wine, they'd never forget to take that sheeit... don't eat the grass!"

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