Peter King Says Calling NSA Surveillance “Spying” or “Snooping” is Slander

one man's patriot another'sCBSNational security state enthusiast Peter King was very disappointed in Barack Obama last week for even countenancing concerns about the NSA’s massive Internet data collection programs, and he doesn’t like it when we call the NSA’s activities spying or snooping, because those people at the NSA are patriots. His comments on CBS’ Face the Nation, via Mediaite:

“These people in the NSA are patriots,” King said. “Probably what’s annoyed me the most over the last several months is people casually using words like ‘spying,’ ‘snooping,’ ‘what is the NSA up to now?’ Does anybody think General Alexander wants to snoop on America? I think that demeans the whole political dialogue, and that’s why I wish the president would be more outgoing and defend the NSA lot more than he did.” 

“This has really been a slander on the thousand of good men and women who every day dedicate their lives to our country, and particularly General Alexander, who is as patriotic as anyone I have ever met in government or anywhere,” King said. “There is too much loose talk here. Every time I hear ‘snooping’ and ‘spying’, it just drives me crazy. We know what these men and women are doing, and they’re absolutely dedicated patriots.”

“We know” what they’re doing thanks to disclosures from Edward Snowden, for which King and President Obama say Snowden is totally not a patriot. Instead he’s facing charges for espionage, or “spying.”

If I were to call Peter King a terrorist-supporting shit-bag that wants to destroy America, would he consider that slander? I wouldn’t.

h/t Jeff Patterson

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  • Tman||

    King/Kahn 2016!

  • Almanian!||

    "Hail to the King, baby..."

  • Ted S.||

    Don't blame me; I voted for Kodos.

  • some guy||

    Maybe one day we'll reach a point where each major candidate takes the other as their running mate.

    Vote Kang/Kodos or Kodos/Kang! It doesn't matter!

    We will finally have achieved the political singularity.

  • Almanian!||

    1) Does anybody think General Alexander wants to snoop on America? YES

    2) This has really been a slander on the thousand of good men and women who every day dedicate their lives to our country... NO IT ISN'T

    3) Every time I hear ‘snooping’ and ‘spying’, it just drives me crazy. GOOD

    Also, go fuck yourself with a railroad spike, you authoritarian, statist, bully offspring of Hitler and Stalin's hexed Satan baby.

  • ||

    If I were to call Peter King a terrorist-supporting shit-bag that wants to destroy America, would he consider that slander? I wouldn't.

    Apparently you just can't say he fucks sheep.

  • Live Free or Diet||

    The sheep around here wouldn't have him.

  • Loki||

    Willingly, they wouldn't have him willingly. Although I have it on good authority that he does rape sheep.

  • PH2050||

    Congressman: "Do you rape sheep?"
    Rep. King: (does James Clapper head scratch) "No. Not wittingly."

  • Bardas Phocas||

    Oh man, trigger warning!

  • Mr Whipple||

    Apparently you just can't say he fucks sheep.

    Only the consenting sheep.

  • Rrabbit||

    So there do exist people who fail the turing test.

  • Matthew Brown||

    The comments section of any blog or site that doesn't rigorously moderate out the stupid should have proved that to you long ago.

  • John||

    I am starting to think that Peter King is a really deep Libertarian mole whose mission is to completely discredit the defenders of the national security apparatus. I am hardly a doctrinaire libertarian on these issues. But even I find King embarrassing. Collecting people's email and listening to their phone calls is snooping dumb ass. Maybe it is legal or even necessary snooping. But that is what it ism. Please Representative King, stop raping the English language. Some of us value her virtue.

  • UnCivilServant||

    That bastard language was debased and disgraced centuries ago by French Speaking Vikings.

  • UnCivilServant||

    That bastard child of a language was defiled and disgraced centuries ago by French Speaking Vikings (led ironically by William the Bastard).

  • UnCivilServant||

    Sorry about that, I had an argument with some squirrels and reposted.

  • Killazontherun||

    English is a slut who'll bounce her ass and go down on any word that comes her way and still swallow with a smile. If she were a virgin like that autistic dork Esperanto noone would have any use for her.

  • Boisfeuras||

    Thus from a mixture of all kinds began,
    That het'rogeneous thing, an Englishman:
    In eager rapes, and furious lust begot
    Betwixt a painted Britain and a Scot.
    Whose gend'ring off-spring quickly learn'd to bow,
    And yoke their heifers to the Roman plough:
    From whence a mongrel half-bred race there came,
    With neither name, nor nation, speech nor fame.
    In whose hot veins new mixtures quickly ran,
    Infus'd betwixt a Saxon and a Dane
    While their rank daughters, to their parents just,
    Receiv'd all nations with promiscuous lust.
    This nauseous brood directly did contain
    The well-extracted blood of Englishmen.

    - Daniel Defoe, The True-Born Englishman

  • John||

    That gave the language most of its good parts. That wasn't debasing. It was improving.

  • Loki||

    Please Representative King, stop raping the English language.

    That's not all he rapes. See above comment re: sheep.

  • Cdr Lytton||

    Is saying Peter King gave material support to terrorists slander? Just asking.

  • John||

    No. Truth is an absolute defense to such charges. And King did exactly that.

  • Cdr Lytton||

    I know. I just want to make sure it's next to his name every time he comes up. But if I had read the article first, I would have seen Ed was already on the case.

  • robc||

    A week of so after 9/11 when Bush gave the speech about fighting terrorists anywhere and everywhere, my response was "Fuck, we are going to invade Northern Ireland."

    Or maybe Long Island, since King is there.

  • John||

    The IRA had pretty much stopped their shit by 2001. But up until the Easter Accords they were one of the worst terrorist outfits on earth.

  • robc||

    I dont think there is a statute of limitations on acts of terrorism, at least not murderous ones.

  • ||

    ETA would like to have a word with you, John.

  • robc||

    Oh yeah, if we were following Bush's doctrine, we should have invaded Basque country too.

  • John||

    I said one of the worst, not the worst.

  • John||

    And the irony of this asshole's support of the IRA is just too fucking much. Apparently bombing and killing innocent people is just fine as long as it is white people killing limeys or something.

  • robc||

    killing limeys

    I think Jefferson would have approved.

  • sarcasmic||

    Almost, but not quite. Bombing and killing innocent people was OK because it was the IRA and because their intentions were pure.
    Just as when the NSA and such snoops on Americans it's OK because their intentions are pure.
    You have this silly notion that what a person does is what matters.
    No, it's who the person is that matters.

    Principals trump principles.

  • John||

    I guess no one told King that the IRA was a Marxist organization who wanted to overthrow the Irish Republic's government as well as unite the island.

  • Killazontherun||

    Pretty mind blowing, they have been a bunch of nihilistic Marxist for King's entire adult life. If I knew that as a six year old, what is his fucking excuse?

  • Gladstone||

    Extremely rich of you sarcasmic to attack the IRA.

  • Pro Libertate||

    I don't care if every employee of the NSA loves America more than his mother--illegal is illegal. Lack of oversight is lack of oversight. Wrong is wrong. I don't give a fuck how many NSA people are good and decent people.

  • Almanian!||

    All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to say and do nothing, you know

  • sarcasmic||

    Good people tend to have families that they can't support from prison, which gives them quite the incentive to say and do nothing.

  • Almanian!||

    Yep, that, too.

  • Pro Libertate||

    I wish people would get that the only way we can even hope to escape an oppressive government is to make sure the system and processes operate within set bounds regardless of the quality of the people in government. In fact, knowing the qualities of most politicians and bureaucrats, we should expect the people to suck, not the other way around.

  • Almanian!||

    Exactly. But, as Epi always points out, people are so TEAM oriented that they become CERTAIN that if they just got THE RIGHT PEOPLE - THEIR people - in charge....

    I think it must be something deeply embedded in most people's DNA or something. I don't get it.

  • Pro Libertate||

    There are no right people. The right person to rule over me is me. I have the most to lose if I fuck up.

  • Pro Libertate||

    There are no right people. The right person to rule over me is me. I have the most to lose if I fuck up.

  • Pro Libertate||

    I hate posting at 3:00 p.m.

  • robc||

    They must be running some backup or other timed process, but why 3 PM instead of 3 AM?

  • Pro Libertate||

    It's a mystery to me.

  • Almanian!||

    I hate people who want to rule me, any time of day

  • sarcasmic||

    I wish people would get that the only way we can even hope to escape an oppressive government is to make sure the system and processes operate within set bounds regardless of the quality of the people in government.

    How does that work? Rule of law? Sorry, but restraints don't work.

    The only thing that restrains our rules is their owns self-restraint. That quality is why George Washington stepped down after two terms. That quality is why for the first century or so of this country, people went to Congress and then after a couple terms they returned to their personal lives. Career politicians didn't exist.

    Now self-restraint is no longer judged to be an admirable quality by society, and this is what we get.

    We get the government we deserve.

  • sarcasmic||

    *rulers* not rules

  • robc||

    Career politicians didn't exist.

    Ah, isnt that cute.

  • sarcasmic||

    Not to the extent that they do today.

  • Raston Bot||

    I thought evil always triumphed because good is dumb.

  • ||

    I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.

  • Loki||

    So what's that make us?

  • ||

    Absolutely nothing!

  • JParker||

    How much must an NSA employee hate his mother to qualify as loving America more?

    Or is it a matter of sheer idiocy (and perhaps ignorance of very new or very low level employees, such as those who provide janitorial services)?

  • Ken Shultz||

    "I wish the president would be more outgoing and defend the NSA lot more than he did.”

    “This has really been a slander on the thousand of good men and women who every day dedicate their lives to our country."

    I hope the NSA lays off those thousands of good men and women, and they all end up working the drive thru at Burger King. Then they can dedicate their lives to the intimate details of how I like my cheeseburger.

  • John||

    In fairness, since most people on both sides are pretty pissed about this, I wish Obama would spend more time defending the NSA as well. But that is not because I wish Obama well.

  • Ken Shultz||

    I want the program to die.

    I want thousands of them to have nothing to do.

  • Matthew Brown||

    The surveillance state employs many talented and able individuals who would be much better off working on stuff that had commercial value.

    Even the lowest of dumb entertainment would offer much more to society.

  • Hugh Akston||

    I'm trying to decide whether King looks more like a ventriloquist dummy made from orange Play-doh, or a beta-carotene-filled tuber brought to some horrible semblance of life.

  • Almanian!||

    Oooo - that's a good question.

    Now that you mention it, and upon further reflection and observation, I'm going with "beta-carotene-filled tuber".

  • jesse.in.mb||

    Do we have any Jewish mystics in the house to answer whether he may be a yam golem?

  • ||

    I don't see the words carved into his forehead to bring him to life, but perhaps they're carved on his ass instead, since that's what he apparently talks out of.

  • ||

    I thought the words were printed on a piece of paper that was placed in the golem's mouth. You're a terrible Jew, JJ.

  • Almanian!||

    A bad Jew? You should see his Buddhist - HORRIBLE

  • ||

    If you bothered to do ANY research before mouthing off, you'd know that there are several stories about how to bring the golem to life.

    I went with the one that let me make a, "talking out of his ass" joke, and I stand by that decision.

  • Killazontherun||

    I especially like the ones written by Avram Davidson.

  • Generic Stranger||

    You could have done it with the other version, too. You'd just have the piece of paper being shoved up his ass.

  • Loki||

    I'm gonna go with orange puss filled polyp that somehow came to life after being struck by lightning after it was removed from someone's ass.

  • Ted S.||

    Is it legally possible to slander the government?

    Fuck you, Peter King.

  • Pro Libertate||

    OBEY

  • ||

    Every time I hear ‘snooping’ and ‘spying’, it just drives me crazy.

    Good, we should say it 100x more then.

    This guy's head is so far up the NSA's ass that I have to wonder what his motivation is. Why does this shit give him such a stiffy?

  • Pro Libertate||

    They showed him video of him dealing with known Irish terrorists?

  • Zombie Jimbo||

    Nope, video of him boning leprechauns.

  • ||

    Maybe they have something on him, and are blackmailing him to be their mouthpiece.

  • SugarFree||

    Is this asshole gearing up for a presidential run? Because this is the kind of derp that wins primaries.

  • Loki||

    Is this asshole gearing up for a presidential run?

    Yes.

    Because this is the kind of derp that wins primaries.

    Thanks for the nightmares, asshole.

  • Cdr Lytton||

    Peter King to introduce new legislation!:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.....ition_Acts

  • robc||

    Nah, the A&S acts were supported by the pro-limeys like Adams. The anti-limeys like Jefferson opposed them.

  • Cdr Lytton||

    Thomas Jefferson, upon assuming the Presidency, pardoned those still serving sentences under the Sedition Act, though he also used the acts to prosecute several of his own critics before the acts expired.

    As long as it's there, might as well use it!

    ADAMS!1!! BOOSH!!!

  • Almanian!||

    But he OPPOSED them while using them. THAT'S DIFFERENT.

  • robc||

    Gah.

    Acton was a fucking genius.

  • ||

    Do you want to live in a country where our president can be called a bald hermaphrodite with impunity?

  • Almanian!||

    Yes, please!

  • JParker||

    Yes, but I would hate to see bald hermaphrodites tarred by presidential inclusion.

  • LifeStrategies||

    yes indeed. It's called free speech and is defended by the Constitution...

  • AlmightyJB||

    Face. So. Punchable.

  • Brian D||

    You tell 'em, Pete! The NSA certainly isn't 'spying,' they're just covertly obtaining and examining information that wasn't intended for them to see. God, get a dictionary, people!!!

  • Drake||

    He's gone full-retard, he is immune to things like your fancy dictionary.

  • Loki||

    Just whater you do, don't make eye contact with him, puts him on edge...

  • BiMonSciFiCon||

    Sounds like someone needs to check their literacy privilege.

  • Dave Krueger||

    “These people in the NSA are patriots,” King said.

    Okay, everyone. He used the magic word, patriot, so it's time to set aside all your rational thinking skills and don the blank lifeless stare of a state indoctrinated automaton and slowly nod your assent to everything he says.

  • Agammamon||

    "One man's patriot another's" . . . peter?

  • Loki||

    If I were to call Peter King a terrorist-supporting shit-bag that wants to destroy America, would he consider that slander?

    It's not slander if it's true.

  • Dave Krueger||

    I think the 2016 republican clown show has started. Every day Peter King sounds more and more like a presidential candidate, although it is admittedly going to take dedication and hard work to beat the idiocy of the 2012 line-up.

    DISCLAIMER: This should not be taken to mean that I believe democrats are any less capable of being clowns than republicans.

  • Drake||

    Every day he sounds and looks more like Leonid Brezhnev. Just substitute "NKVD" for "NSA" and enjoy.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Does anybody think General Alexander wants to snoop on America?

    Whether he "wants" to is irrelevant. Whether he has is the real question. The answer, of course, is yes.

    “This has really been a slander on the thousand of good men and women who every day dedicate their lives to our country

    For which they are generously compensated.

    General Alexander, who is as patriotic as anyone I have ever met in government or anywhere,”

    What does patriotism have to do with legality?

    “There is too much loose talk here. Every time I hear ‘snooping’ and ‘spying’, it just drives me crazy.

    King shits his nappies every time you say snooping.

  • Xenocles||

    "I'm saying that when a patriot does it, it isn't illegal." /nixon

  • wwhorton||

    The real patriots will be the scientists who develop feasible time travel, thus allowing someone to go back in time and push the nascent Peter King's pregnant mother down a flight of stairs.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    The irony about your handle is that it sounds like Horton from "Horton Hears a Who," where the most notable line is "a person's a person, no matter how small."

    This is for you:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00y1khs

  • Xenocles||

    To be fair, not everything the NSA does is spying. They also make the crypto material for military communications.

    But come on, it's very obviously a spy agency and part of the intelligence community. When they gather information it's correct to call it spying. When they collect information on Americans they are spying on Americans. DIRNSA's desire to do it has nothing to do with the question.

  • DaveSs||

    Good ol' double speak.

    Don't piss down my back and tell me that its raining.

  • Invisible Finger||

    Can you imagine this idiot in a debate with Hilary Clinton? They would have to up the idiocy to make it look like they don't actually agree on everything.

  • Enjoy Every Sandwich||

    Every time I hear ‘snooping’ and ‘spying’, it just drives me crazy.

    A short drive, I'm thinking.

    Yeah, they're snooping in our business and spying on us. Now go fuck yourself.

  • MappRapp||

    And Peter King should be called a fat, pompous idiot.

    www.AnonTactics.tk

  • datcv||

    This guy looks like a mean Dick Clark.

  • plusafdotcom||

    King said. “There is too much loose talk here. Every time I hear ‘snooping’ and ‘spying’, it just drives me crazy. We know what these men and women are doing, and they’re absolutely dedicated patriots.”

    I think we've discovered a new breed of fundamentalism here... I'd call it the "Patriotist Movement."

    Blind adherence to extreme viewpoints and images of "what makes a 'Patriot'"

    And scary-dangerous, I think!

  • LifeStrategies||

    Has Peter King sworn to support and defend the Constitution. If so, then he needs to be impeached...

    His defence will presumably be that he doesn't know how to look up the meaning of words in a dictionary.

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