Obama Wants You to Respect the Zimmerman Verdict, But That Does Not Mean He Will

Video via The Orlando SentinelVideo via The Orlando SentinelYesterday President Obama urged Americans dismayed by George Zimmerman's acquittal to respect the jury's verdict:

The death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy. Not just for his family, or for any one community, but for America. I know this case has elicited strong passions. And in the wake of the verdict, I know those passions may be running even higher. But we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken. 

But Obama's stance against rioting does not necessarily mean that he is prepared to accept the outcome of this case. The New York Times reports that his Justice Department is looking into the possibility of trying Zimmerman again for the same crime. Sounds like double jeopardy, doesn't it? Not according to the Supreme Court, which says serial prosecutions do not violate the Fifth Amendment as long as they are undertaken by different levels of government. The rationale for federal intervention in this case would be that Zimmerman targeted Martin based on his race, thereby committing a "hate crime," which under current law is pretty much all the Justice Department needs to get involved.

The evidence of racial animus was so thin in this case that the judge did not allow the prosecution to mention it, so it's highly doubtful that the feds can show, or even plausibly allege, that Zimmerman was motivated by bigotry. Furthermore, the jury acquitted him based on a self-defense claim, meaning he is not guilty of attacking Martin, let alone attacking him because he did not care for his skin color. The Obama administration's willingness to consider a second prosecution means it is prepared to say the state jurors got it wrong and try to override their decision. So much for respecting the verdict.

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  • Night Elf Mohawk||

    Obama Wants You to Respect Obamacare, but That Does Not Mean He Will

  • anon||

    Obama wants you to respect the Government's privacy, but that doesn't mean he'll respect yours.

  • Rufus J. Firefly||

    Obama wants everyone to respect him. But he has not earned that distinction.

    Especially with the way he implicated himself in this case.

    It's kinda rich him asking to respect the verdict after he dove into the crappy narrative with that idiotic 'trayvon would look like my son' comment.

  • Jon Lester||

    This conservative New Zealander has kept score better than most Americans. Only reason I came across it via Legal Insurrection is because it's been so difficult to find coverage of Alan Dershowitz's objections to the prosecution:

    http://halfdone.wordpress.com/.....man-trial/

  • anon||

    Very good summary.

  • Paul.||

    Good link. Pretty spectacular breakdown of the shoddy prosecution witnesses, or the reliable prosecution witnesses that essentially confirmed every detail of the Zimmerman defense.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Wrong board.

  • cavalier973||

    Love this part:

    After hearing detailed case law arguments from Mantei, and a rather wishy-washy counter by O’Mara, Judge Nelson allowed all the evidence into the record, with the exception of some modest redactions. It seemed like an utter loss by the defense, and one couldn’t help but wonder why O’Mara had not fought back with his customary vigor.Events were to reveal that he may never have truly intended to do so. Indeed, it very much appears now as if O’Mara had successfully convinced the State to toss him into the briar patch.
  • nailzer||

    Local Fox news in Tampa says there may be a retrial for Zimmerman because he violated Martin's constitutional rights.
    I suppose that would be Martin's right to beat the shit out of someone without repercussions.

  • anon||

    But as A. Barton Hinkle reports, others are challenging the notion – and thereby undermining the case for their own hard-won victory.

    I wish I knew about that right a whole lot earlier in my life. Man do I have some catching up to do...

  • Paul.||

    Someone was following him. It's the obvious response to anyone following you.

  • nailzer||

    I could give a rats butt if someone is following me. When they do more than follow I react.

  • Paul.||

    I attack anyone who's behind me.

  • Rich||

  • Paul.||

    Notice the guy at 00:24 with a sweater tied around his neck. It tells you how far Kirk had fallen by that point in his career. The Kirk that I remember never would have allowed someone with a sweater tied around his neck to even appear on the bridge. Serial uniform violizzle.

  • Agammamon||

    Yeah, the guy with the sweater around his neck isn't actually *in* Starfleet dude. That's Kirk's son.

    Sheesh its like you've never seen the movie a thousand times yet.

  • Paul.||

    So it's worse. Kirk allowed his son to disgrace him by showing up on deck with a sweater tied around his neck. If I were Kirk, and my son showed up on deck with sweater tied 'round the neck, he'd get a stern talking to.

    And being 'in' starfleet has nothing to do with it. I'm Captain of the Ship Paul... no one, and I mean no one shows up on my deck with a sweater tied around the neck.

  • Inigo M.||

    I bet you wonder why you are always the very last one in the checkout line at the grocery store even when the place is packed with people.

  • KPres||

    "Someone was following him."

    Nobody was following him.

  • Zeb||

    Huh?

  • ||

    According to Zimmerman's account, he had lost track of Martin and was walking back to his car when Martin came out and confronted him. The confrontation/attack was after he had been following Martin. Obviously nobody except Zimmerman and Martin know with certainty what happened, but there you have it.

  • Loki||

    "The unalienable rights to life, liberty, and kicking ass."

  • Hugh Akston||

    I would keep an eye on the skies if I were Zimmerman. Obama has never been one to let little things like Reasonable Doubt or Due Process get in the way of sending in the drones.

  • Mike M.||

    He has to keep an eye above him, and also to both sides of him and behind him, as Andrew Breitbart found out the hard way.

    Basically he had better evolve about four new pairs of eyes in a hurry, or else seriously consider pulling a Snowden and fleeing.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Bratfart croaked from natural causes, you loon.

  • wareagle||

    40 year olds die of natural causes all the time.

  • Drake||

    Right after dining with Bill Ayers...

  • sam the man||

    Sure about that? Guy was doing his fair share of coke, but that's not gonna make someone croak in the middle of the street at age 43.

  • wwhorton||

    You'd be surprised. A local guy who used to go to my neighborhood bar and was just sort of a known guy around town died of a heart attack last summer. Was just walking out of a bar to meet his friends down the street and keeled right over. 37 years old, no drug use, no smoking, and good physical shape. No preexisting conditions (that anyone knew of, at least). Sometimes your card gets pulled, apparently.

  • Agammamon||

    Yeah, stimulant use has never lead to heart failure in 40 year olds.

  • Zeb||

    Meh. It happens often enough. I see no reason to see anything suspicious about Breitbart's death. It's not like he was all that high profile or threatening. Most people don't even know who he was.

  • ||

    Chris Farley, John Belushi, and John Candy would like to have a word with you...

  • Inigo M.||

    In that case, Zimmerman's teenage son, if he has one, needs to keep an eye out as well.

  • Zeb||

    Fortunately, he has, so far, let people being in the US get in the way of sending in the drones.

    I bet Zimmerman moves to another state and everyone forgets about this in a few months.

  • setTHEline||

    There's a first time for everything. A drone strike would be messy though. Better to use a DOJ strike, which kills you slowly, financially, and painfully.

  • Brandon||

    You just leave everything to daddy, america. As soon as the polls come in telling him what to do, he'll take care of this. Don't you worry your pretty little head about it. Why don't you go donate to Organizing for Action while you're here?

  • SIV||

    An all white jury of racist crackers in a former Confederate state nullified Trayvon Martin Emmet Till Obama's civil rights and gave that white Mexican Jew Zimmerman a no bag limit hunting license for African American childrens.Our flawed justice system shackles the state's right to appeal so the Federal government has to take control and show our intolerance for these self-appointed 21st century slave-catchers.

  • Hyperion||

    An all white jury of racist crackers in a former Confederate state nullified Trayvon Martin Emmet Till Obama's civil rights and gave that white Mexican Jew Zimmerman a no bag limit hunting license for African American childrens.Our flawed justice system shackles the state's right to appeal so the Federal government has to take control and show our intolerance for these self-appointed 21st century slave-catchers.

    Do you write for Salon? If not, I'm pretty sure there's a job waiting there for you if you can keep that up.

  • nailzer||

    Of course Zimmerman knew Martin was a black child by the way he was punching him in the face and banging his head into the concrete.

  • Rich||

    ?

  • sam the man||

    +1 for Mexican Jew

  • Loki||

    You should go post that, word for word, on Daily Kos just to see how many like you get.

  • wwhorton||

    Oh my god. Lights would flash, bells would ring, and coins would come flying out of the side of his monitor.

  • cavalier973||

    My kids to me: "What? What are you laughing about?"

  • Paul.||

    If I were Zimmerman, I'd be thinking about pulling a Snowden along about now.

  • anon||

    Please. They all look the same! He'll be alright.

  • ||

    It's all talk. The feds have no case. This is just more political bullshit from the king of political bullshit. There were no riots, there will be no re-trying.

  • John||

    ^^THIS^^ They have no case. They couldn't survive a directed verdict. Remember a federal trial would be before a lifetime tenure judge, not some elected Dem hack in Florida.

    They are just talking shit to keep Zimmerman's name in the media and further milk this case as a way to get black turnout up and get retarded progs to have something to get their minds off the NSA scandal.

  • anon||

    Yeah, if they had a case at all, they probably should/would have tried to make it while GZ was actually on trial, rather than wait until the prosecution failed miserably.

    Also, it's sad that even with the full faith and backing of the federal government they couldn't even create a reasonable doubt in my mind of GZ's innocence.

  • Paul.||

    Full faith and backing of the federal government is the reasonable doubt.

  • JWatts||

    Yeah, if they had a case at all, they probably should/would have tried to make it while GZ was actually on trial, rather than wait until the prosecution failed miserably.

    This seems likely. The talk is just pandering to the base.

  • ||

    a federal trial would be before a lifetime tenure judge, not some elected Dem hack in Florida.

    Why is a hack who isn't accountable to anyone somehow superior to a hack that gets rubberstamped by voters every few years?

  • dinkster||

    I'll buy the cop argument hook and bait, but tenured judges are a bit better than the chaff in the bottom of the bag.

  • anon||

    What about an accidental drone strike? Do you rule that out yet?

  • Troglodyte Rex||

    Nah. Uncle Barack promised us that armed drones won't be flying over the US.

  • JWatts||

    Of course, if an unarmed drone were to accidentally crash into Zimmerman's house, that would just be bad luck.

  • Pro Libertate||

    This DOJ? I'm not so sure. They may do the exact same thing the state attorney's office did--walk the case all the way through, knowing all along it's a loser. How does DOJ lose, politically speaking, by harassing Zimmerman? All the right people despise him, after all.

    I'd say that the evidence on hand actually somewhat favors Zimmerman's explanation of events, so there's really no standard of proof that should result in Zimmerman being convicted of anything or having to pay money to anyone.

    As always, this is a separate discussion from whether he's actually guilty or not. It's just a question of the known evidence, which is worse than shitty.

  • anon||

    As always, this is a separate discussion from whether he's actually guilty or not.

    You shouldn't have even bothered to say that! His actual guilt or innocence is impossible to know.

  • Pro Libertate||

    In this case, it surely looks that way. I suppose some new evidence might pop up (too late for the murder trial, of course), but it seems unlikely.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    Impossible to know? Why?

  • John||

    Not only would they have to reprove the manslaughter murder charge, they would also have to prove Zimmerman was a racist who did it because Martin was black and he intended to deprive him of his civil rights.

    It would be absurd. I wouldn't put it past them. But I think recharging Zimmerman would be a very bad political move for Obama. Most people are not foaming at the mouth progtards. There are a whole lot of soft dems and Is who would find such an action distasteful and petty. Meanwhile it would drive the Republican base insane and further drive their turnout up.

    The only reason to do it would be to drive up black and progtard turnout. But they can do that without charging Zimmerman. The NAACP will whine a lot. But what are they doing to do if Zimmerman isn't charged? And it is not like the White House and the Journolist won't be able to find a new racial outrage to manipulate black people.

  • Pro Libertate||

    This is not an administration driven by rational anything, even self-interest.

  • John||

    If DOJ charges Zimmerman it will be very strong evidence that this administration is not just evil or craven or self interested but actually insane.

  • Rich||

    This. Ditto with using the case to further gun control.

  • Pro Libertate||

    They want to twist and bend people's rational perception of reality. Maybe they think the prosecution itself will accomplish that.

    Obama had no business injecting himself into this case in the first place. But he did it, anyway.

  • anon||

    If DOJ charges Zimmerman it will be very strong evidence that this administration is not just evil or craven or self interested but actually insane.

    A group of people is limited to the lowest common denominator in intelligence.

    You mistake ignorance for malice.

  • crashland||

    Like we need any additional evidence to prove the depth of insane depravity.

  • RBS||

    Seriously, the NAACP has been "boycotting" my state for decades yet we still attract hundreds of thousands of black people for Bike Fest.

  • Jon Lester||

    They'll make a go of it, anyway, if for no other reason than to further distract us from the Bradley Manning trial.

  • John||

    No one but a few Libertarians care about Manning.

  • Jon Lester||

    That's the real injustice.

  • Rich||

    I'm somewhat surprised at the lack of airplay concerning his sexual orientation.

  • John||

    He is a gay guy who embarrassed Obama. That makes him a traitor to the cause and no longer really "gay" or at least not gay gay.

  • Marshall Gill||

    Auntie Tom?

  • Agammamon||

    Uncle Brucie.

  • wwhorton||

    Just like George Zimmerman is as white as Mitt Romney for the purposes of the Progressives, Bradley Manning is straight enough to not merit any mention.

  • Loki||

    They'll make a go of it, anyway, if for no other reason than to further distract us from the Bradley Manning trial.

    and the NSA spying, and the IRS targeting of conservative groups, and...

  • Sevo||

    Episiarch| 7.15.13 @ 12:11PM |#
    "It's all talk. The feds have no case."

    Prolly true. If Obozo says he's going to do X, it's an odds on bet he won't. Doing so would sully his record of lying.

  • thom||

    Could the Feds force a change of venue? There are places where this case could be a winner.

  • Rich||

    Stop giving them ideas!

  • RBS||

    No, only the defendant can move for a change of venue.

  • Rich||

    But The People of America *is* the defendant against the Zimmermans of the world!

  • Hugh Akston||

    Wait, why would Zimmerman want to pull a Snowden train? Is he gay as well as racist? Is he gaycist?

  • Paul.||

    Well, he's still 'white' while the DOJ considers a double-jeopardy charge so, he could be racist.

    Actually, what Zimmerman really needs about right now is a cop to give him a beatdown, then he'd become hispanic again.

  • Hyperion||

    Good advice. He should go back to Peru, with the rest of those damn white Hispanic racists.

    After all, there are worse things than eating llama and potato stew and drinking warm beer made by women spitting chewed up corn into a bucket, every day.

    If I were the Z, I would set myself up a throne at Machu Picchu and claim that I am Viracocha returned. Then I would demand 10 virgins a day be brought to me, or else I will bring drought to the land and kill all the potato crops.

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

  • kinnath||

    For George Zimmerman, the system worked

    An acquittal might've been legally correct, but it only happened because of who Zimmerman is and who he killed

    ALEX PAREENE

    I won't bother to post a link to Salon, you know where to find it if you want to chase down this rabbit hole.

  • anon||

    And yet these same people complain of innocent blacks being locked up. Go figure.

  • Neoliberal Kochtopus||

    Alex Pareene is a slobbering retard. That said, that article isn't the worst thing I have seen him drool. Now, THAT said, I am sure he'll draw exactly the wrong conclusions and policy prescriptions from all this.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Why does Reason hate Obama's son.

  • anon||

    He's black and libertarians are racist?

  • Andrew S.||

    This is why there are no libertarian women black libertarians!

  • Hyperion||

    Heroic Mulatto is half black, right? Doesn't that count? It works for Obama.

  • Paul.||

    I thought we were all Trayvon Martin.

  • Hyperion||

    Not unless you are black or a fat whining white liberal chick. Otherwise, you're a racist.

  • XM||

    Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell, Deroy Murdock, Walter E Williams are libertarians or sort of libertarians.

  • JWatts||

    Uncle Tom's don't count.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    The Obama administration's willingness to consider a second prosecution means it is prepared to say the state jurors got it wrong and try to override their decision. So much for respecting the verdict.

    Stupid juries, what do they know?

  • AlmightyJB||

    Everyone knows juries are racist

  • John||

    I just read something very funny I didn't realize. You know the Marissa Alexander case of the black women sent to prison for firing the "warning shot" at her "abusive husband" the left has been flogging on Facebook and other places where trolls can be found all weekend? It turns out Angela Corey prosecuted that case too. That is just too rich for words.

  • mnarayan||

    Did you know that a Cleveland Browns fan requested that members of the team be his pallbearers so that the Browns could "let him down one last time"?

  • RBS||

    Outstanding.

  • Spartacus||

    Yeah, that came up when she first was assigned to the Zimmerman case, about a year ago. She's a real piece of work.

  • ||

    She's a real piece of workfascist cunt.

    FTFY

  • shamalam||

    +1 double jeopardy.

  • Guy Laguy||

    It's like a brother can't even go get a skittle before some cracker star chasin him for some gay sex.

  • ||

    He should have bought a Snickers, it's a much more manly candy. No one bothers a man with a Snickers in his hand, Zimmerman would have been too frightened and awed to approach or even to consider him a thief.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    I haven't heard the "It takes a village" mob's take on this.

    Aren't we all responsible for keeping our fine young men on the straight and narrow? Isn't it our solemn duty as good communitarian busybody villagers to ask, "Pardon me, young man, but shouldn't you be home, studying for that math quiz?" if we see some child wandering the streets?

  • John||

    Of course. And they have a slogan made just for the Zimmerman case. You ready for it Brooks?

    What if George Zimmerman had just offered Trayvon Martin a ride?

  • Andrew S.||

    He would have been arrested for trying to lure a minor into his car?

  • sarcasmic||

    What if George Zimmerman had just offered Trayvon Martin a ride?

    Child molester! Creepy kid-toucher! Serial killer!

  • John||

    But that statement is such a perfect storm of prog smugness and ignorance. I fucking love it.

  • Rich||

    What if George Zimmerman had just offered Trayvon Martin a ride?

    Then Z could have blown M away for *carjacking*!

    /sarc

  • Jon Lester||

    Anyone who repeats that will immediately give away their ignorance of the circumstances. Martin was something like 200 yards from home, right?

  • Rich||

    So, Z would have been implying Z was "lazy", hence HATE CRIME!

    /sarc

  • Rich||

    *M*

    Out.

  • cavalier973||

    The lack of an "edit button" is racist.

  • MJGreen||

    I blame Melissa Harris-Perry for all of this.

  • Jon Lester||

    I just left a comment at HuffPo (pending arbitrary moderator approval, of course) about H-P's comments, reminding everyone it wasn't long ago when she suggested that our children should be raised by the collective, something that hasn't been attempted since the time of ancient Sparta.

    Seriously, why aren't more people put off that all these pundits and celebrities are using this case as a platform for their own self-importance?

  • Brandon||

    The "It takes a village" mob's take:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....95503.html

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    ""I will never forget... the relief I felt at my 20 week ultrasound when they told me it was a girl," Harris-Perry recalled on Sunday. "And last night, I thought, I live in a country that makes me wish my sons away, wish that they don't exist, because it's not safe.""

    According to the protesters in Texas, if you didn't like the sex of your 20-week-old fetus, you could have simply killed "it."

    If "it" had been male, you could have killed the fetus to protect him from the horrors of being a black male.

    Not to be confused with genocide, since it's only genocide when Republicans do it.

  • Hoofddorp Haarlemmermeer||

    Wow, the HuffPo village never bothers to at least read the testimony transcripts before posting. They make such simple, ignorant mistakes, basically parroting the media's line.

  • lap83||

    It's the villages' responsibility to make sure children don't become tea partiers. It's the tea partiers' responsibility to make sure black kids have the OPPORTUNITY to pass the math quiz by lowering standards. To ask them to study is akin to slavery.

  • ||

    Not according to the Supreme Court, which says serial prosecutions do not violate the Fifth Amendment as long as they are undertaken by different levels of government.

    Can someone point me to this decision?

  • Rich||

    Yes, I was wondering about that, too.

    I suppose it's different levels all the way down.

  • RBS||

  • trshmnstr||

  • ||

    Thx...

    I think.

  • trshmnstr||

    You're welcome...

    I try not to think as much any more, they tell me thinking too hard is racist.

  • Rich||

    "R E S P E C T -- Find out what it means to me!"

  • RBS||

    Dear Mr. President,

    Shut the fuck up.

    Sincerely,

    RBS

  • OldMexican||

    NSA Is Watching You

  • The Late P Brooks||

    What if George Zimmerman had just offered Trayvon Martin a ride?

    Bud: "Hey Kid, wanna make ten bucks?"

    Otto: "Fuck you, queer."

  • Pro Libertate||

    Plate o' shrimp.

  • Mr Whipple||

    8th Grader Trayvon Martin is walking home in his graduation cap and gown

    Aryan Nation member George Zimmerman driving around in his Confederate Flag draped pickup

    Zimmerman spots Trayvon through the night by the glow of his halo

    The Klansman takes chase

    The football star nearly outruns him, but he is trapped by a "do not enter" sign

    Faced with certain death or disobeying the law, he makes his stand

    Trayvon attempts to reason his attacker, but the illiterate racist will have none of it

    Zimmerman steps out of his vehicle and asks "Any last words?"

    Trayvon looks his executioner in the eye and replies "World Peace"

    "WHITE POWER!" exclaims Zimmerman as he unloads with his fully-automatic assault rifle

    If not for the Republican party he may have survived, but the skinhead's extended magazine, unfettered by their legislation unloads hundreds of rounds into the future Nobel Peace Prize recipient

    Zimmerman then bashes his own head into the curb repeatedly screaming "help me!"

    When he is finished, Hitler himself steps back into his gas-guzzling vehicle

    As Trayvon lay dying, the last thing he sees is the "Bush Cheney 2004" bumper sticker disapear into the night

  • Floridian||

    Bravo Mr. Whipple

  • anon||

    Somehow, I don't think this is that far off of what proglodytes actually believe.

  • Mike M.||

    "Two thumbs up!"
    -Roger Ebert's Ghost

  • Hyperion||

    When you and SIV are both writing for Salon, I will start reading their articles.

    That would be hilarious, I can only imagine the comments of the progtrards agreeing with you and saying what a great article it was.

  • Bill Door||

    A+ on this one! I just about died laughing. Gah... I'm still crying, it was that well done.

  • ||

  • ||

    Dammit:

    fully-automatic assault rifle weapon

    There, not it's inaccurate.

  • ||

    Fuck, nevermind.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    "WHITE POWER!" exclaims Zimmerman as he unloads with his fully-automatic assault rifle

    Needs moar night vishun gogglez.

  • Floridian||

    And suppressors oops, I mean super deadly silencers. To silence the lower classes.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    And that thing that goes up.

  • KPres||

    "The evidence of racial animus was so thin in this case"

    Not on Trayvon Martin's part, cracka-ass cracka!

  • The Late P Brooks||

    They may do the exact same thing the state attorney's office did--walk the case all the way through, knowing all along it's a loser. How does DOJ lose, politically speaking, by harassing Zimmerman? All the right people despise him, after all.

    It's not like Obama and Holder are going to be spending their own money to keep the thing going.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Yes, it's hard to see much disincentive here. Zimmerman so far hasn't seemed to have been picked up as a victim by the Hispanic community, and the left hates him. So why not?

  • free2booze||

    Zimmerman so far hasn't seemed to have been picked up as a victim by the Hispanic community

    Not yet. Let's see what happens if this case is still going on leading up to the 2014 mid-term elections. It will be interesting to see what level of faux-outrage the GOP will try to kick up, in an attempt to get the Hispanic community to turn on the Dems.

  • free2booze||

    Based on the facts leading into the GZ trial, I thought that the White-Hispanic was innocent of killing a young, black male. Based on the facts presented in the Aaron Hernandez case, I think the White-Hispanic is guilty of killing a young, black male.

    I can't figure out which type of racist I am.

  • AlmightyJB||

    It doesn't matter what kind. Just that you are.

  • Loki||

    I do not look down on niggers, kikes, wops or greasers. Here you are all equally worthless.

  • itsnotmeitsyou||

    Did your parents have any children that lived?

  • The Late P Brooks||

    What are the odds Martin's parents are "special guests" at next year's State of the Union extravaganza? And permanent fixtures at Mayors Against Legal Guns' next five hundred events?

  • Floridian||

    Is there something larger than 0?

  • Floridian||

    Hmm... Should say 100 percent. Not sure why that happened.

  • ||

    Eric Holder giving speech now saying that this case gives us a chance to speak honestly. Holy shit, how laughable is that?

  • ||

    He tops it. His department will continue to act consistently with the law.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Which law is that?

  • Jon Lester||

    Honest question: have there been any more burglaries at that particular Sanford apartment complex in the last year or so?

  • AlmightyJB||

    Does this count? Or is that robbery?

    http://articles.orlandosentine.....-zimmerman

  • AlmightyJB||

    NO, probably extortion.

  • Marc F Cheney||

    Does anybody remember what Obama had to say about the Casey Anthony verdict? He must have said something, right?

  • Incredulous||

    "The evidence of racial animus was so thin.."

    Thin????

    It was nonexistent.

  • Andrew S.||

    The prosecutor, never one to shy away from trying to advance her political career, tells CNN that Zimmerman is a "murderer". http://www.hlntv.com/article/2.....?hpt=hp_t1

    I'd be suing her for slander if I were GZ, though I'd understand why he wouldn't.

  • Floridian||

    I'd sue the ballz off of everyone who tried to railroad me. Revenge: A dish best served while I am pissed.

  • AlmightyJB||

    I'd sue Obama for trying to influence the case by saying that if he had a son it would look like Trayvon. I would consider that criminal.

  • ||

    "Sounds like double jeopardy, doesn't it?"

    I've long argued it is, and it is used against cops a lot (see: Rodney King) et. It is de facto double jeopardy, but the case law says it isn't, so the state gets TWO bites at the prosecutorial apple and it's a gross injustice when they do so.

    I predicted Zimmerman would be acquitted. I am going to make another prediction and predict there will be no federal trial.

    "Actually, what Zimmerman really needs about right now is a cop to give him a beatdown, then he'd become hispanic again."

    exactly. If Z was shot by a cop, he would be a "person of color" and a Hispanic victim of police violence, not a "white Hispanic".

    Similar to the hate crimes classifications, where Hispanic is a victim class, but if the Hispanic is an offender, not a victim, then the class goes by race (Hispanics can be any race, but most Hispanics in the US happen to be white).

    Iow, if Z was a victim of a hate crime, the DOJ would tally that as a Hispanic victim.

    If Z was a perpetrator, he would be tallied as a white perpetrator.

    Sowell et al have commented on this.

    Anyway, there is zero evidence of racial animus here. I was reading an article yesterday saying the FBI did an investigation, interviewed like 30 people and found ZERO evidence of any racial bias on Zimmerman's part

  • Floridian||

    That is shocking. You would think out of 30 people someone would claim to have heard him use the N-word, even if he never had.

  • ||

    W3rd. Found the article:

    (MIAMI HERALD) — After interviewing nearly three dozen people in the George Zimmerman murder case, the FBI found no evidence that racial bias was a motivating factor in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, records released Thursday show.

    Even the lead detective in the case, Sanford Det. Chris Serino, told agents that he thought Zimmerman profiled Trayvon because of his attire and the circumstances — but not his race.

    Serino saw Zimmerman as “having little hero complex, but not as a racist.”

    The Duval County State Attorney released another collection of evidence in the Zimmerman murder case Thursday, including reports from FBI agents who investigated whether any racial bias was involved in Trayvon’s Feb. 26 killing.

    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/fbi.....AmGCerR.99

  • Zeb||

    What the fuck is with referring to Zimmerman by his last name, but Martin by his first? Don't newspapers have style manuals?

  • ||

    Good point. I totally missed that. It's subtle, but a good example of bias.

  • Seamus||

    It's a holdover from Jim Crow days, when blacks were denied the respect of being addressed by their last names. IOW, the newspapers are racist.

  • Kreel Sarloo||

    I think it's part of the narrative. They wanted us to think of poor Trayvon as a child, hence the old pictures.

    Thus when one witness said "the bigger man was on top" the public thought it was GZ.

    The whole thing has been to portray GZ as not just a racist but a child-killer.

  • shamalam||

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07......html?_r=0

    "It's unlikely that the government will pursue criminal civil rights charges in The case: The Times explains why.

    Three former Justice Department officials who once worked in the department’s Civil Rights Division, which is handling the inquiry, said Sunday that the federal government must clear a series of difficult legal hurdles before it could move to indict Mr. Zimmerman.

    “It is not enough if it’s just a fight that escalated,” said Samuel Bagenstos, who until 2011 served as the principal deputy assistant attorney general in the division. “The government has to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the defendant acted willfully with a seriously culpable state of mind” to violate Mr. Martin’s civil rights.

    A former U.S. Attorney explained to the Associated Press what that means in this specific case: "They'd have to show not only that the attack was unjustified, but that Mr. Zimmerman attacked Mr. Martin because of his race and because he was using a public facility, the street." That the killing occurred in a gated community may be enough to block any action by the Department of Justice."

  • Loki||

    Three former Justice Department officials who once worked in the department’s Civil Rights Division, which is handling the inquiry, said Sunday that the federal government must clear a series of difficult legal hurdles before it could move to indict Mr. Zimmerman.

    And now we know why they're former Justice Dept. officials. They think "legal hurdles" are there for something other than keeping the proles in check.

  • Rufus J. Firefly||

    Well, they just have to change those laws because they're racist laws.

  • Seamus||

    Of course Zimmerman was motivated by racial bias. When white guys jump him, break his nose, and smash his head against the sidewalk, he just lies back and takes it like a bitch. He's been concussed by honkies dozens of times, because he defers to and helps to enforce White Privilege. But let just one of the brothers lift a finger and its BAM BAM BAM. Racist POS.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Looks like there are more reporters than protesters.

    "they marched around the block three times."

    I hope like hell they sang We Shall Overcome, cause if not they suck.

    "My heart is truly heavy because our young people are saying that they don't feel safe"

    Well don't let them read about the double shooting at the after hours club on this ame newsite which happens here all the time but no ever protest about.

    http://www.nbc4i.com/story/228.....rtin-trial

  • cavalier973||

    ZIMMERMAN COMPLAINED ABOUT SANFORD POLICE IN DEFENSE OF HOMELESS BLACK MAN

    George Zimmerman accused the Sanford police department of corruption more than a year before he shot Trayvon Martin, saying at a public forum the agency covered up the beating of a black homeless man by the son of a white officer.
    "I would just like to state that the law is written in black and white," Zimmerman said during a 90-second statement to city commissioners at a community forum. "It should not and cannot be enforced in the gray for those who are in the thin blue line."
    The forum took place on Jan. 8, 2011, days after a video of the beating went viral on the Internet and then-Sanford Police Chief Brian Tooley was forced to retire. Tooley's department faced criticism for dragging its feet in arresting Justin Collison, the son of a police lieutenant.
  • anon||

    That irony is worthy of this forum. +1 to you, good sir.

  • Skip||

    Attention White Women: MSNBC is comparing you to racist southerners from the Jim Crow Era. Still think voting for Democrats will end well for you?

  • Rufus J. Firefly||

    I'm surprised no one has brought back my friend, the Benign Dictator, Jean Chretien:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX6XMIldkRU

    By the way, he was asking the Americans for proof about WMD's.

  • Kreel Sarloo||

    So what about the black woman on the jury?

    I'll bet those five white bitches intimidated her with their white privilege.

  • Mr Whipple||

    These liberals got it all wrong. Zimmerman is a closeted homosexual that is into young, black men (not that there's anything wrong with that). Zimmerman was actually trying to solicit a blowjob from Trayvon, and wanted to perform a little rear entry. But Trayvon was a "bottom" and wasn't having any of that. In the heat of the argument, Trayvon pushed Zimmerman to the ground and started performing a little rear entry of his own, which caused Zimmerman's head to inadvertently hit the concrete. Zimmerman, who became slightly discombobulated from the trauma, thinking the gun in his pocket was a battery operated pocket pussy/anus, held it up to Trayvon and "turned it on".

  • ||

    He thought the rainbow-colored Skittles was "signaling". Trayvon Martin would probably still be alive if he had been carrying a straight, manly candy, such as a Snickers.

  • flpbr||

    Like an election,keep counting until you get the result you want. DOJ wants to keep prosecuting until they get their desired result.

  • anon||

    Initially read as "like an erection." Way less funny this way.

  • Tanya||

    To charge him with a hate crime, they'd have to bring up the subject of racism, which they avoided in the trial. As soon as that happens, the defense finally gets to show just how decidedly *not* racist Zimmerman is. It would ruin the narrative.

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