New Republic Boldly Blames Tea Party for IRS Scandal

In the May 2013 issue of Reason, Matt Welch wrote an article about how the venerable (read: old) magazine The New Republic was returning "to its Progressive roots as a cheerleader for state power."

Despite cashiering the longtime, widely mocked, and out-of-touch vanity publisher/editor Martin Peretz and installing a hip new Facebook gazillionaire at the top of the masthead, getting a graphic redesign, and even sitting down for a pillow fight cum interview with Barack Obama, Welch argued, this latest iteration of The New Republic is looking pretty much like the same-old same-old.

So what can we expect from the new New Republic? Judging from its output since the redesign, this is a magazine that is prepared to spend (and therefore lose) more money than it has in a generation, which is good news for liberal journalists at least. Top-shelf writers Michael Lewis, Walter Kirn, and Michael Kinsley graced the Obama interview issue; Sam Tanenhaus and Julia Ioffe anchored the next.

But the political discussion proceeds as if the failed liberal experiments of the 1960s, ’70s, and ’80s never happened.

Rather than drawing useful lessons from a tradition of bracing contrarianism embodied by Washington Monthly founder Charlie Peters (who trained many writers and editors who would go on to work at The New Republic in its late '70s and '80s heyday), Welch prophesied

The reformist urge to cross-examine Democratic policy ideas has fizzled out precisely at the time when those ideas are both ascendant and as questionable as ever. Progressivism has reverted to a form that would have been recognizable to Herbert Croly and Walter Lippmann when they founded The New Republic a century ago: an intellectual collaborator in the “responsible” exercise of state power.

Which brings us to a truly amazing article up at tnr.com, "Notes on a Trumped-Up Scandal," by Noam Scheiber. Despite the president himself acknowledging that the IRS acted improperly in subjecting tax-status applications of Tea Party groups to politicized scrutiny, Scheiber writes,

The crime here had nothing to do with “targeting” conservatives. The targeting was effectively done by the conservative groups themselves, when they filed their gratuitous applications. The crime, such as it is, was twofold. First, in the course of legitimately vetting questionable applications, the IRS appears to have been more intrusive than justified, asking for information about donors whose privacy it should have respected. This is unfortunate and intolerable, but not quite a threat to democracy.

Second, the IRS was tone deaf to how its scrutiny would look to the people being scrutinized, given that they all subscribed to the same worldview, and that they were already nursing a healthy persecution complex. 

Scheiber makes great hay out of the idea that 501(c)4 groups don't have to get cleared by the IRS before they can start their engines. If they want to, they can file at year's end and hope for the best. In Scheiber's take, to pre-emptively apply - that is, to try and actually follow the law - is a sign of a persecution complex and "neurosis."

In passing, Scheiber repeats the claim that "the IRS was unexpectedly flooded by dodgy 501c4 applications and was at a loss over how to manage them." Which turns out to be, um, not true.

But that shouldn't matter, should it? Because you know what's really funny about this whole thing, according to Scheiber? That Tea Party groups are mostly on the right and lots of people on the right are in favor of racial profiling. And really, isn't what the IRS was doing just a variation on profiling:

You know who is reliably enthusiastic about profiling? The conservatives who are hopping mad about the IRS Tea Party flap.

Read the whole piece here.

And then go check out early issues of The Washington Monthly to get a sense of what liberal opposition to unjustified state power used to look like.

I first learned of Scheiber's piece from the Twitter feed of Kirsten Powers. Read also Hot Air's Mary Katharine Ham on the story.

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  • Citizen Nothing||

    That picture of Scheiber. What's the German word I'm looking for?

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Fuckface?

  • Citizen Nothing||

    NEEDZ MOAR UMLAUTZ!

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Perhaps this will make it past the squirrels; fückfäce?

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Heh heh

  • ΘJΘʃ de águila||

    Concentration camp apologist?

    "Why, concentration camps are hardly a threat to democracy except in the minds of the overly sensitive....."

  • ΘJΘʃ de águila||

    "STALAG"

  • WTF||

    "Backpfeifengesicht"

    Noam Schieber: Punchable face, or most punchable face?

  • Citizen Nothing||

    That's the one.

  • SonofSanfordandSon||

    Backpfeifengesicht: face in need of a fist

  • deified||

    Dude was just a beta version of Ezra Klein, who still sports the "most punchable face" championship belt.

  • LTC(ret) John||

    Wait, you left Sad Beard out?!

  • DaveAnthony||

    Sad beard says far more intelligent things than Ezra Klein ever has.

  • LTC(ret) John||

    But we are just talking about faces in need of fists?

  • fish||

    ....Ezra Klein, who still sports the "most punchable face" championship belt.

    My ass!

    Oh wait....my apologies I didn't know we were discussing the womyns division.

  • fish||

    Noam Schieber: Punchable face, or most punchable face?

    Punchable yes....but until E.J Dionne dies he will forever hold the "Most Punchable Face" title.

  • Brandon||

    Um, Krugman?

  • DaveAnthony||

    Nah Krugman doesn't get punchable because he is too squirrelly looking. Krugman is the kind of guy you want to lock up and throw the key away. Klein you would never get tired of punching that smug, self satisfied face.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Good god! Every picture I see of Obama makes me want to smash his fucking face. That New Republic cover photo is the worst.

  • Almanian!||

    Violence against our President? Nice, EDG.

    When did you join the Chechyen brothers in hating America?

    I don't even know who you are any more...

    Fuck Michigan! And California!

  • deified||

    Comments like this make me want to never visit Almania

    Your people will be sorry, you wait.

  • Almanian!||

    Your people will be sorry, you wait.

    Oh, what a giveaway that was! See, that's what I'm on about! Now we see the violence inherent in the system! HELP! HELP! I'm bein' repressed!

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Almania isn't a country, it's an Islamic version of a relatively common psychological condition typified by excess time spent on the internets.

  • Almanian!||

    Who are you, who is so wise in the ways of science?

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Scruffy, King of the Nerfherders

  • Almanian!||

    My Liege!

    *kneels and bows head*

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Good Sir Knight, will you come with me to Tattooine, and join us at the Round Hut?

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Oh -- and I just noticed that Obama and Scheiber are sharing the exact same smirk. Good work, Nick.

  • Radioactive||

    probabaly share the same scrotum as well

  • Libertymike||

    "Cheerleaders for state power"?

    We have many right here.

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Oh, great. Libertymike is here. How ya' doin', Libertymike?

  • Sevo||

    BTW, CN, don't let him get too close; he'll hump your leg for the next hour or so.

  • Lord Humungus||

    bootlickers gotta lick something.

  • Almanian!||

    Ima guess "boots". Close?

  • Lord Humungus||

    that 'leather' ain't gonna shine itself.

  • WTF||

    "Authoritarian cock" would have also been acceptable.

  • Almanian!||

    Ain't no cock like Authoritarian cock, amirite?

    WARBONER, anyone?

  • Pro Libertate||

    Blame the victim. And ignore the blatant abuse of power that could come back around and bite you in the ass and the totally illegal viewpoint discrimination involved. What high standards we have today!

  • Citizen Nothing||

    They honestly must think they're never gonna lose another election.

  • NoVAHockey||

    They'll melt down if ken cuccinelli wins the VA gubernatorial race

  • deified||

    Isn't Cooch favored?

    I know the dude is like Santorum 2.0 but having these odd-year elections is, uh, very Republican-friendly.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    I'm so thrilled! I get to pick between Terry and Ken! Choices abound!

  • Sheriff Bart||

    I would have voted for Bolling, now I'm voting for Robert Sarvis.

  • Drake||

    It almost makes me wish for totally unscrupulous, popular, hardcore right-winger to win.

  • Tony||

    Or that Republicans, as they have in the past, will not use Democratic administrations' standards of conduct when they engage in their own misbehavior. "We have to set a good standard!" is silly bullshit. As long as you have a cowboy hat and Karl Rove, you can do pretty much whatever the fuck you want.

  • Almanian!||

    I'm here to pass out cowboy hats and abuse your rights....and I'm all outta cowbpy hats...

  • Sevo||

    Tony| 5.16.13 @ 10:56AM |#
    ..."We have to set a good standard!" is silly bullshit....

    "Most transparent administration in history; When a bill lands on my Desk, The American people will have 5 days to review it before I sign it...."
    Want more, shithead?

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Bite not the hand that trolls thee

  • UnCivilServant||

    Whose hand am I supposed to bite?

  • Radioactive||

    bite my scrotum...just not real hard

  • ||

    You really really really can't get away from the fucking TEAM mentality, can you? It's ingrained in your being.

    THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE FOR THIS IRS BEHAVIOR NO MATTER WHO IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE

    By even mentioning a political party when commenting on this, you express to everyone what a TEAM playing sycophant you are.

    GFY

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Although he is as cogent and concise as usual, I think Tony just restated my own point. Woooosh.

  • Bean Counter||

    Well, that's why they're cheerleading for the state to put down their opposition. Don't say these folks don't learn from history. They just learn how to be more evil. The first thing any authoritarian government does is disable the competition without outlawing it. After they consolidate their power, they can outlaw them as traitors to the new order, revolution or whatever term Tony likes.

  • Live Free or Diet||

    If the Tea Parties didn't want it done to them, they shouldn't wear those tight sweaters!

  • grey||

    But when the Socialist State becomes fully ascendant, the liberal press will have a special place on high, excempt from the government boot heel.

  • Almanian!||

    Yeah - had one of my HS friends pipes right up with, "You think I'm mad the IRS is harrassing te teabaggers? Fuck 'em - they deserve it."

    I noted RC Dean's "me today, you tomorrow" - ZOOM right over the head.

    Cause we'll have HILLARY in '16, and again in '20 (as a cadaver, I guess), and then...Valerie Jarrett, or someone....they've WON! It's OVER!

    I just don't talk to these people any more, cause THIS IS WHAT THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE!

  • Jeff||

    a pillow fight cum interview with Barack Obama

    Oh, I bet it was.

  • WTF||

    A "cum interview"?

  • Almanian!||

    Cum on
    feel the noise.

  • ||

    girls rock your boyz

  • Lord Humungus||

    us lowly peons do not understand the intricacies of journalistic Latin.

  • Ryan60657||

    I'm embarrassed to think that I subscribed to TNR at one point several years ago...

  • Almanian!||

    I blame Bush

  • ||

    My first magazine subscription when I was 16 was to the Utne Reader. I did it on a whim, and was absolutely horrified when I actually sat down to read it.

  • Almanian!||

    My first subscription as a yute was "Sports Illustrated". It lasted till I got to college and needed money for pot...

  • Lord Humungus||

    The Planetary Society newsletter was my first "subscription". /NERD

  • Almanian!||

    nice!

  • Lord Humungus||

    those days of watching Cosmos really paid off.

  • Houkt Un Fanixs||

    17 and it was Boating World.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    The targeting was effectively done by the conservative groups themselves, when they filed their gratuitous applications.

    "The nail that sticks up gets pounded down."

  • sarcasmic||

    "If you damn tea baggers don't want to be harassed and investigated, well then don't organize and draw attention to yourself!"

  • MJGreen||

    "Gratuitous" applications? Haven't they all or mostly been approved for tax-exempt status?

  • Almanian!||

    What difference, at this point, does it make?

  • Scotticus Finch||

    My god:

    Considering how right-wing conservatives beginning with Newt Gingrich have targeted the IRS for crippling budget cuts and rigamarole that prevent it from effectively auditing tax returns ... I would say this sounds like a case of turnabout-is-fair-play.

    [from the subscriber-only comments]

  • Tony||

    The most disturbing aspect of Scandal Week is how gleeful certain people are about it all. Not once during Bush's numerous fuckups did I feel good about it. There were too many dead people to be sad about. Speaking of things created by the Supreme Court, 501(c)(4)s are an abomination. Tax exemption is a government handout. I'm sure no Tea Partier has ever expressed an interest in prying into the private lives of other welfare recipients.

  • deified||

    501(c)4 have existed for a long time. They are not a product of Citizens United.

  • Tony||

    No, just their ability to make expenditures on political races.

  • Sevo||

    Tony| 5.16.13 @ 11:46AM |#
    "No, just their ability to make expenditures on political races."

    You mean like the teachers' unions, shithead?

  • Sevo||

    Tony| 5.16.13 @ 11:01AM |#
    "The most disturbing aspect of Scandal Week is how gleeful certain people are about it all."

    No, shithead, it's slimy turds like you trying every spin in your repertoire to shield that lying bastard.

  • Irish||

    The most disturbing aspect of scandal week is people trying to come up with excuses for why this was all okay.

    I also see you don't know anything about 501(c)(4)s. Think Progress is not a good place to learn about tax law, Tony.

  • Andrew S.||

    So not having to give your money to the government = getting a handout from the government. Alrighty then.

  • AuH20||

    The government owns all the money, because they printed it. Therefore, by not taking their money back so they can give it to new people, they are giving you something. It's three dimensional thinking, you wouldn't understand.

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Give unto Barack what is Barack's.

  • Bean Counter||

    Give unto Barack every freakin' thing you've got!!
    FIFY

  • Tony||

    Using the stuff taxes pay for without paying taxes is stealing.

  • Almanian!||

    You really are this stupid.

  • tarran||

    LOL! Tony just accused people on the welfare rolls who consume services of being thieves.

  • OldMexican||

    Re: Tony,

    Using the stuff taxes pay for without paying taxes is stealing.


    I agree - the only "stuff" that I use, I *do* pay for, all the time. Roadz! are paid for with the fuel taxes I pay at the pump. Other than that, I don't use any of those wonderful government services you talk about while totally ignoring the fact that most Federal taxes (and State taxes for that matter) go to pay for pensions, healthcare for people I don't know or care about and other obligations, and not "stuff" or "services."

  • Tony||

    Your problem is you lack imagination. You're "using" Medicare and Social Security right this very second in that you're benefiting from its existence by not having to contend with millions of poverty-stricken old people. I think it's worth the price, but if you don't, all you have to do is convince your fellow voters you're right.

  • tarran||

    Given the vast amounts of money being taken out of my pocket to fund Medicare and Social Security, I think I *am* being forced to contend with millions of poverty stricken old people. ;)

  • Bill Dalasio||

    Well, I'm glad you can at least concede that the proclaimed services OldMexican is getting from the government are imaginary.

  • Sevo||

    Tony| 5.16.13 @ 11:58AM |#
    "Your problem is you lack imagination."

    Your problem is you lack contact with reality, shithead

  • OldMexican||

    Re: Tony,

    You're "using" Medicare and Social Security right this very second in that you're benefiting from its existence by not having to contend with millions of poverty-stricken old people.


    You're BEGGING THE QUESTION, Tony. Who's really not using his imagination now? What makes you think that the only thing keeping old people from becoming poor is Social Security and Medicare? What makes you think that they would not be in much better shape financially if they had saved their own money instead of having it taken from their paychecks for YEARS?

    I think it's worth the price,


    What you think is worth is of no consequence to me. Value is subjective. Just because you think SS and Medicare have a worth to you does not mean it has worth to ME or someone else.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    you're benefiting from its existence by not having to contend with millions of poverty-stricken old people

    Talk about begging the question.

  • General Butt Naked||

    Using the stuff taxes pay for without paying taxes is stealing.

    So, all of the low income workers that pay no taxes are thieves to you?

  • T||

    Well, he's a democrat, and therefore hates poor people.

  • KPres||

    "Using the stuff taxes pay for without paying taxes is stealing."

    LOL! You mean the 47%?

  • Lord Humungus||

    this is one of the oddest paragraphs ever spewed from the 'brain' of Tony. It's like a computer generated anonbot comment.

  • sarcasmic||

    Tax exemption is a government handout.

    Not taking is giving.

  • Average Dude||

    Slam Dunk!

  • Tony||

    Not paying for shit you use is stealing.

  • sarcasmic||

    "There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him."
    — from Professor de la Paz's speech to Congress. 'The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress' by Robert A. Heinlein

  • Tony||

    You don't actually want to jettison large aspects of the civilization you enjoy. You just don't want to pay for it.

  • sarcasmic||

    Straw men are made of straw.

  • Radioactive||

    unless they're made out of green cheese...just saying

  • sarcasmic||

    unless they're made out of green cheese...just saying

    You're supposed to scare the crows away, not feed them.

  • fish||

    We got by quite nicely without "large aspects of the civilization you enjoy", for years. But you're right I would hate to lose my ObamaPhone.

  • Radioactive||

    or my Obama swimmies...

  • Almanian!||

    Further derp - you got some evidence of this?

    No. Fuck but you're an uneducated moron of below-average intelligence. Astouding. Bravo. You are a specimen.

  • KPres||

    "You don't actually want to jettison large aspects of the civilization you enjoy. "

    True, we don't want to jettison them. We want to privitize them.

  • Homple||

    A wisecrack from twittermeister Iowahawk, "DC is a crack addict who thinks he’s subsidizing the liquor store by not robbing it."

  • General Butt Naked||

    The most disturbing aspect of Scandal Week is how gleeful certain people are about it all. Not once during Bush's numerous fuckups did I feel good about it. There were too many dead people to be sad about.

    Awwww, poor wittle Tony is disturbed. You poor thing, you fragile flower of a man to be surrounded by the multitudes of coarse and unfeeling monsters. A man with a soul so deep and so filled with empathy that he still mourns the deaths of those murdered by the evil Bush so far away and so long ago. Others, of more rough temperament, have moved on or never felt the heart-crushing melancholia that Tony felt for those victims of the Bush monster.

    Tony, a man whose infinitely ethical character allows him to scrape and claw his way atop any available pile of bodies and claim the moral high ground. You truly are a product of our age.

  • Tony||

    Like those four bodies in Libya?

  • fish||

    Last time I checked no one here was standing on those bodies in an attempt to strip their fellow citizens of a constitutional right.

    But by all means please continue.

  • Tony||

    Only because there is no explicit constitutional right to be free of Republican grandstanding.

  • Sevo||

    Tony| 5.16.13 @ 11:52AM |#
    "Only because there is no explicit constitutional right to be free of Republican grandstanding."

    Shithead, are you truly so stupid as to presume the constitution "grants" rights? Is that the level of grammar-schoo0l ignorance we're seeing here?

  • General Butt Naked||

    You're mourning them too?

    That's good, at least you're consistent.

  • Irish||

    Like those four bodies in Libya?

    Compare the media reaction to the Newtown parents to the media reaction to the mother blaming Hillary Clinton for the death of her son in Libya.

    Why did one get widespread media attention, and the other get ignored?

  • Jeff||

    Speaking of things created by the Supreme Court, 501(c)(4)s are an abomination.

    My god, you are so fucking stupid.

  • LTC(ret) John||

    C'mon Jeff, how is he supposed to know that "501(c)(4) is, like, some sort of reference to a statutue or a code or something - no siree! The SCOTUS made it up!1!1!! CITIZENZ UNTIED!!!! DERP!!

  • VG Zaytsev||

    The most disturbing aspect of Scandal Week is how gleeful certain people are about it all.

    Those people being the progtard rank & file. Fascist blackshirts at heart.

  • OldMexican||

    Re: Tony,

    The most disturbing aspect of Scandal Week is how gleeful certain people are about it all.


    You're right - the realization that the government is being managed by either incompetent morons that know nothing of the day-by-day business of government or by corrupted partisan hacks who use the power of government to step over and make hash of people's rights generates orgasmic ripples on people's bodies, like in an S&M session.

    You pinhead.

    Speaking of things created by the Supreme Court, 501(c)(4)s are an abomination. Tax exemption is a government handout.


    Sure, because it's not like regular people make the money, it's the government's money. Just like it wasn't the serfs' harvest, it was the baron's harvest.

    You putz.

  • Tony||

    Tax exemption is tantamount to a subsidy by government for you to do some activity, specifically in this case engage in "social welfare." Tax rate differentials do not result in subsidy only if you believe that all taxes are illegitimate, in which case you're an anarchist and the conversation can go nowhere.

  • sarcasmic||

    Not taking is giving.

  • Tony||

    Wisdom is simplicity.

  • sarcasmic||

    Problem solvers know that even the most complex issue can be broken down into relatively simple component parts.

    You of course would not understand this because you're stupid.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Well, you certainly are a simple-minded moron.

  • OldMexican||

    Re: Tony,

    Tax exemption is tantamount to a subsidy by government


    You're equivocating again, Tony. Not taking is NOT "giving", otherwise the robber that passed by without taking my wallet would be "giving" me money.

    Tax rate differentials do not result in subsidy only if you believe that all taxes are illegitimate,


    I don't believe all taxation is illegitimate, only that it is immoral. You can have legitimate taxation as long as the totality of a community of people agree to pay the taxes. The problem starts when you do NOT have total agreement, because taxation becomes then involuntary or compulsory and, thus, stealing.

    in which case you're an anarchist and the conversation can go nowhere.


    What a ridiculous copout, Tony. You're acting like a spoiled child for no reason.

  • Sevo||

    Tony| 5.16.13 @ 11:49AM |#
    "Tax exemption is tantamount to a subsidy by government for you to do some activity,"

    As mentioned above, shithead would presume to be subsidizing a liquor store by not robbing it.

  • Doctor Whom||

    Speaking of things created by the Supreme Court, 501(c)(4)s are an abomination.

    Holy mother of Cthulhu, but you're a maroon. You give the subsection of the statute (you know, something passed by a legislature), and then you say that it was created by the Supreme Court.

  • tarran||

    It's Tony - he floats above such pedestrian things as facts. :)

  • Tony||

    The ability of these groups to engage in political spending is what was created by the Supreme Court. I also realize the Supreme Court didn't give birth to George W. Bush, it just made him president.

  • Sevo||

    Tony| 5.16.13 @ 11:50AM |#
    "The ability of these groups to engage in political spending is what was created by the Supreme Court."

    No, shithead, is was 'created' by the fact that they are humans and it was recognized as such by the founders in A1, and then confirmed by SCOTUS.
    I would have sworn you claimed to be educated.

  • Forbes||

    SCOTUS decided the appeal of a lawsuit initiated by Al Gore to selectively recount only certain counties in the state of Florida, in order to determine the state-wide result, i.e. seven justices found an equal protection clause violation. But don't let facts spoil your fevered imagination, Lord only knows the hallucinations that would result...

  • AuH20||

    pillow fight cum interview

    Start your word processor, SugarFree.

  • LTC(ret) John||

    No, no, please no!

  • Almanian!||

    I think "Pillow Fight Cum" is the working title of Prince's next album...

  • The Late P Brooks||

    First, in the course of legitimately vetting questionable applications, the IRS appears to have been more intrusive than justified, asking for information about donors whose privacy it should have respected.

    "The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests - we did."

  • The Late P Brooks||

    this is one of the oddest paragraphs ever spewed from the 'brain' of Tony.

    Poor little guy; he's deep into word salad territory.

  • Average Dude||

    "This is unfortunate and intolerable, but not quite a threat to democracy."

    No one ever said it was, toolbag. It is, however, illegal and certainly unethical.

    "...they were already nursing a healthy persecution complex."

    Well, if the Tea Party and others did have a "persecution complex", turns out they had a good reason to.

    What a smug, illogical moron.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Hey, I'll say using the IRS to harass and punish your political opponents is a threat to democracy.

    This was not just the IRS selectively denying tax exempt status, which is how the media is spinning it.

    No, the IRS went on fishing expeditions of the groups filing for that status, including membership lists, demanding personal correspondence and thinly veiled threats regarding future behavior.

    And it goes beyond the groups filing for 501(c)4. The IRS was handing personal information to private partisan groups for the purpose of harassment and auditing people that publicly spoke against the Obama administration.

  • sarcasmic||

    Liberals will mock someone for being paranoid about the government, even as the government gives good reason to be paranoid. It's as if they have no concept of irony.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Kind of how a few months ago they kept saying we don't want to take your guns away while simultaneously trying to take our guns away.

  • sarcasmic||

    In the case of guns it's not irony, it's downright dishonesty.

  • Drake||

    It certainly isn't a threat to Democracy - we'll still get to vote.

    It's a threat to freedom, which I value much more than taking a "who is the least horrible" survey every 2 years.

  • ||

    It's the Tea Party's fault for wearing such a short skirt.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    You don't actually want to jettison large aspects of the civilization you enjoy.

    I do not find the majority of our civilization as currently constituted particularly enjoyable.

  • tarran||

    I would argue that much of what Tony considers civilization is that ancient barbarism known as feudalism with a fresh coat of paint hastily slapped on.

  • Tony||

    You wouldn't find a libertarian society particularly enjoyable either. But that's OK, right, since freedom is all that matters? You're willing to take on all the extra risk a minimal state entails, right? Or do you like all libertarians assume it will be a much better place for you?

  • sarcasmic||

    In a libertarian society I, and everyone else, could engage in economic activity without having to ask permission and take orders from idiots in the government.

    I think that that would be a much better place for everyone. Well, except rent seekers and such who profit from the government punishing their competition.

    But overall, yeah, I think it would be a much better place.

  • Homple||

    History is full of the horrors of maximal states and Obama is pushing us toward one, so yes, I'd be happy to try a minimal one for a change.

  • OldMexican||

    Re: Tony,

    You wouldn't find a libertarian society particularly enjoyable either.


    Why not?

    Or do you like all libertarians assume it will be a much better place for you?


    You're quick to assume the contrary as your previous assertion proves and then have the gall to accuse others of being the same.

    The fact is that people tend to migrate from places where there's less freedom to those they feel there is more freedom, as proven by the migration statistics of many countries, which means people do expect to live better lives than what they had.

  • Sevo||

    Tony| 5.16.13 @ 11:56AM |#
    "You wouldn't find a libertarian society particularly enjoyable either."

    Assertion absent evidence, shithead. Just sos you know.

  • Jordan||

    Like the risk of speaking out against the government and finding yourself at the mercy of unaccountable thugs? Oh wait, that's a risk under your preferred system.

  • Drake||

    There is no such thing as a "libertarian society". Just free people doing as they please.

  • ΘJΘʃ de águila||

    Childish, narrow-minded. state-worshiping cultist Tony at it again.

    All atrocities and crimes are excused as long as they are committed by the state. "Virtuous" if committed by -- sigh -- "Obama". Government corruption is Democracy in action.

  • Average Dude||

    Just think of all those thousands of NEW IRS agents that will get hired once Obamacare fully kicks in to high gear!

    Obama - Job Creator.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Wisdom is simplicity.

    Simpleton is simple.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    You wouldn't find a libertarian society particularly enjoyable either.

    Now do the lottery numbers.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Change “felons” to “dodgy 501c4 applicants” and “demographic groups” to “ideological groups” and you see the relevance of this quote. The IRS was doing a far more benign version of what George Will would have police do when they stop a suspect and search a vehicle.3 For my money, the agency should have worked over a few token progressive groups so that they could show the scrutiny wasn’t ideologically motivated, just like the police should periodically stop a middle-aged housewife in a Volvo and root around in her trunk.

    So, Noam doesn't object to wielding the IRS against Barry's political enemies, what he objects to is that the IRS insufficiently covered its ass against protests that it was being wielded against Barry's political enemies?

    Does the term "partisan hack" have any meaning?

  • The Late P Brooks||

    root around in her trunk.

    Is that what the kids are calling it, now?

  • Sevo||

    On topic:
    Even the SF Chron is pissed?!?! Yep:
    "Eric Holder’s lame answers"
    " Holder lamely deflected any responsibility for his department’s secret subpoena to obtain phone records covering 20 lines used by 100 journalists over two months."
    http://blog.sfgate.com/opinion.....e-answers/

  • ΘJΘʃ de águila||

    Here's a chance for Obama to make Holder fall on the sword for the "team".

    Then Obama will appoint another criminal to the AG post and proclaim "Problem solved, nothing left to see, let's look forward."

    Obama will exculpate Holder from any wrongdoing and Fast-and-Furious Eric will land an eight-figure consulting position for the Mexican Drug Cartels.

  • WomSom||

    Sounds like a very serious plan to me dude. Wowl

    www.Secure-Web.tk

  • LTC(ret) John||

    Don't you have some beautiful bean footage to be rolling?

  • ||

    Know what's sad in all this? I mean strictly from a human perspective in what we value in terms of right and wrong is the inability to just say, "hey, man. That's just wrong."

    The Tony's and writers like the one mentioned in the article of this world display their utter lack of honor and sense of decency by not standing up for their fellow citizens choosing instead to let politics drive their beliefs. By spinning this unfortunate episode by turning it on the victims, by employing a certain "two wrongs make a right" logic and applying versions of tu quoque fallacies and so on.

    It's fucking a shame.

    Judge the ACTION.

  • ΘJΘʃ de águila||

    "Her miniskirt invited rape!" exclaims the black-robed government employee.

  • ΘJΘʃ de águila||

    Sheiber might be blinded by Eric Holder jizzum on the lens of his eye-glasses. Or maybe by a big steamy Obama turd on his nose.

    Hey Sheiber, how about a George-Bush/Alberto-Gonzalez initiated IRS audit of YOUR finances???!!! Hardly a threat to democracy.

  • ||

    There should be a caption contest for that Obama cover on TNR.

    Yeesh. Something is off in that pose. Shifty.

    "You? You're gonna question me? Cute."

  • ΘJΘʃ de águila||

    "Would YOU buy a used car from this man?"

  • Bruce Majors||

    Little Jewish dweebs get to be Nazis. Another glass ceiling broken. Kristall Deckenleuchte

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