Parents Sue D.A. for Charging Their 6-Year-Old Son With a Felony After He Played Doctor With a 5-Year-Old Girl

Last week the parents of a Wisconsin boy sued Grant County District Attorney Lisa Riniker for charging their son with first-degree sexual assault, a Class B felony, after he played "butt doctor" with a 5-year-old girl. He was 6 at the time. When the boy's lawyer tried to have the charge dismissed, Riniker replied: "The legislature could have put an age restriction in the statute if it wanted to. The legislature did no such thing."

According to the complaint (PDF), the girl is "the daughter of a well-known political figure in Grant County," and her brother, who is the same age, also was involved in playing doctor but was not charged. In addition to Riniker, the lawsuit names as defendants retired Grant County Sheriff's Sgt. James Kopp and Jan Moravits, an investigator with Grant County Social Services "whose regional supervisor...is the political figure's wife's sister-in-law"—i.e., the aunt of the alleged victim.

Although the boy, now 7, is too young to be prosecuted or named in a juvenile delinquency petitition, Madison.com reports, county officials are using the felony charge to force his parents into accepting "protection or services" for him. The lawsuit says that once he turns 18, he will be listed as a sex offender.

I noted a similar case in my July Reason story on sex offender laws.

[Thanks to Kevin Bankert for the tip.]

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  • Scott Ritter||

    after he played "butt doctor" with a 5-year-old girl.

    I'll be in my bunk.

  • Penn State||

    Sign that kid up for a coaching contract -- STAT!!!

  • CalebT||

    This kid got a girl to let him do things to her butt? That's not a crime, dude. That's fucking awesome!

  • Roman Polanski||

    he played "butt doctor" with a 5-year-old girl.

    "... and, shortly thereafter, I directed Chinatown!"

  • Wargames83||

    That was after Chinatown numbnuts

  • Shorter Wargames83||

    "DERRRRRRRRRP!!!"

  • 5-year-old girl||

    To be honest, I just gave in because the bastard was begging, and begging for anal is a big turn-off.

  • Sick Mind||

    Dude, that was sick. Hilarious, but sick. Grow up. This is why people don't flock to libertarianism. For a magazine called "Reason".....

  • WWNGD?||

    That is the reason? That one joke is the whole reason why people don't understand flock to libertarianism? I thought it was the pure unsubstantiated hatred of roads.

  • Zombie Joe Biden||

    "TRAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNSSSSSS -- !!!"

  • ||

    I had a fun little public/private discussion about roads today. Then I was told that the government issuing bonds "creates wealth". Fun times.

  • Skr||

    >.

  • Anacreon||

    drink!

  • ||

    I have a 5 year old and honestly this isn't funny. If I found out another kid or person touched my daughter like that, they would no longer be breathing.

  • Andreas||

    You'd kill a 6 year old kid for playing with your daughters butt?

  • mlp||

    Her brother did it too according to the story. Would you make your son stop breathing as well?

  • nate||

    Then I would kill you...

  • Roy||

    They f'n kids dude. Chances are, 90% of all kids go through an experience such as these children have. It's just a natural sexual curiosity that leads children to behave like this. There is nothing sick or wrong going on here except for what the scumbag DA and poliitician are doing to these kids. The fact that we are making this a nonissue is what will scar this girl. I can tell by your comment you're probably a christian with little intelligence. It's you who needs to stop breathing. I would feel much more comfortable raising my kids away from people like you.

  • ||

    You were going great until the gratuitous insult based on nothing contained in his idiotic comment. Could help but include your own bigotry I guess.

  • ||

    I agree. How can anyone possibly tell by that statement whether a person is a Christian or not? I did agree until that sentence. Fighting hate with more hate shows "little intelligence". The end.

  • computerdude101||

    I agree with buzz and twstdlttlsistr. If you make a statement like "all christians have little intelligence" that is similar to saying things like "all muslims are terrorists" or "all kids who play butt doctor are sex offenders." So if you agree that the last statement is false you should also agree that the first two are also false.

    Giant over reaching generalizations never work which this article points out.

    But as you said Roy I also agree that kids being curious kids shouldn't be labelled as sex offenders or stopped from breathing.

  • Adam||

    To be fair Christians are typically the ones with an affinity for 5 year old butt touching.

  • anon||

    only sexual deviants didn't play doctor when they were kids. It's why they're now sexual deviants.

  • ||

    Derdrik, if you can't distinguish between the actions of a 6 y/o and an adult, you really should not have kids. But I think you're a troll. I refuse to believe anyone could be so stupid.

  • Dave||

    I also refuse to believe anyone could be so stupid ... even in the face of overwhelming evidence. Fer Chrissake, a goddamned District Attorney charged a 6 year old with a FELONY for doing something most kids do.

  • ||

    Derdrik, you're absurd. It's a six year old. You think he had "sexual" intentions even remotely? The kid was curious. MAYBE about girls because their different. But it was the same innocent curiosity that all other kids share. Hell, maybe this kid would really grow up to be a professional doctor!

    But that's when he grows up. For now he's six. He's a child. And he's definitely NOT a sex offender.

    JUSTICE!!!!

  • JohnD||

    So you are suggesting this 6 yr old be killed? You are one sick bastard. Little kids have been playing doctor forever.

  • iSynic||

    Oh, Jane.

  • Mr. Mark||

    When will Riniker be prosecuted for felony oxygen-theft?

  • JohnD||

    Rinker needs her butt kicked.

  • Not an Economist||

    Wow I didn't realize that playing doctor as a child qualifies one as a sex offender. I guess that most of the US probably should be listed as a sex offender so start reporting to your local police.

    As an aside, I'm wondering how the police found out about it and if politics played any role.

  • romulus augustus||

    Mike McQueary spotted them during a football scouting trip.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Those ow'ers are starting out young.

  • Lordmaul||

    Didn't get it, then read it aloud...then LOL'd heartily until I gave myself a double hernia. :D

    Win!

  • Dave||

    This is not a rarity. By the standards in use in the United States today, virtually every child qualifies as a felon and a sex offender. Hell, this is a country that has put virgins in prison for life for rape. I am not making this up.

  • Arf?||

    It's pathetic when government can't even do corruption correctly.

    You don't charge the kid. You wait awhile, then charge the dad with something bogus and unrelated, but that will fuck up his life regardless of whether or not the charges stick.

  • ||

    You charge the parents with child abuse based on the degree of unhealthy sexualisation exhibited by their abused 6 y.o. boy.

  • Arf?||

    Under normal circumstances I'd agree, but the girl's brother was involved as well. Charging the one boy and not the other is part of the problem with the case.

  • ||

    The brother was gay.

  • Barbara Yawp||

    This whole story reeks of compulsory heteronormativity. We should have these kids in special classes diddling and licking eachother at random, to explore their true bisexuality. This is why we must fully fund the schools, from Penn State on down.

  • Ema||

    But it is a NORMAL child behaviour to explore other childrens bodies. MOST of the time they are doing it based purely on curiosity and not based on anything about sexuality.

    It is very normal for children to be curious about other children and to do things like this. Treating a child like this and having it made such a big deal of could do more damage than anything to him. He could feel sexually ruined for life because of this.

  • hello?||

    I'm female, and when I was about 6 I initiated a similar game with the girl across the street and the two boys who lived next door to her. I won't even admit to what I called our game. I was never abused by my parents or anyone else. I was just a bit precocious. I don't think anyone was harmed by our game. I know for a fact that the other girl is happily married with several kids. OK, well maybe the boys ended up as serial rapists or something but it seems like I would have heard about it.

  • ||

    Kids have been playing doctors and nurses since before there were doctors and nurses. Its just part of growing up.

  • ||

    Kids have been playing doctors and nurses since before there were doctors and nurses. Its just part of growing up.

  • JoJo Zeke||

    I'm female, and when I was about 6 I initiated a similar game with the girl across the street

    I initially misread this as : "[...] and when I was about 61 I initiated a similar game [...]"

    You should have seen the resulting spit-take. ;)

  • Dave||

    Um, I remember being a child. Yes, it was normal, but no, it wasn't just curiosity. I seem to remember that most of the kids I knew in elementary school were interested in sex. Of course, everyone was too smart to admit it in the presence of grown-ups....

  • DaveDoveOffTheEdge||

    Dave, at 6 years old, he's in kindergarten. You remember other kindergartners being interested in sex?

  • ||

    Angus, were you born stupid or did you take lessons? Little children have a natural couriousity about their bodies.

    Wise up, moron.

  • JohnD||

    Are you serious? If so, you are an idiot.

  • JohnD||

    Oops there are apparently 2 JohnDs.

  • Tonio||

    I predict the suit will get dismissed before trial since the prosecutor and the cops all have immunity from prosecution.

  • ||

    They don't have immunity if the plaintiff can show the prosecutor personally and knowingly acted with reckless disregard for constitutional rights. There was a suit against Ashcroft by one of the guys who was held as a "material witness" after 9/11 while the feds tried to build up a case against him.

  • ||

    No, Tulpa, prosecutors enjoy almost absolute prosecutorial immunity. There is no cause of action sounding in tort with respect to a claimant's constitutional rights as against a prosecutor, in his individual capacity, that will survive a motion to dismiss premised upon absolute prosecutorial immunity.

    Courtesy of the state's monopoly on the administration of justice. With monopolies, chaos and inefficiecny and spectacular misallocations of resources and injustices are the inevitable result.

  • ||

    The prosecutor and the Sheriff might have immunity from money damages, but they don't have immunity from an injunction, which I figure is what the parents want, a court order telling these people to stop the insanity.

  • ||

    I think the DA needs a good beat down. Stupid bitch.

  • ||

    No, Tulpa. A prosecutors immunity is absolute. He might....only might lose his bar license, but that is all. Then you could make beaucoup bucks pretending to be an expert like that bitch on CNN.

  • ||

    Uh uh.

    Justices Block Suit Over Use of Material Witness Law Against Detainee

    The Supreme Court’s ruling was unanimous on a single, narrow point: that the policy Mr. Kidd described did not violate clearly established law, so Mr. Ashcroft was entitled to qualified immunity from the suit.

    “At the time of al-Kidd’s arrest,” Justice Antonin Scalia wrote, “not a single judicial opinion had held that pretext could render an objectively reasonable arrest pursuant to a material-witness warrant unconstitutional.”

    “Qualified immunity gives government officials breathing room to make reasonable but mistaken judgments about open legal questions,” Justice Scalia went on. “When properly applied, it protects ‘all but the plainly incompetent or those who knowingly violate the law.’ Ashcroft deserves neither label.” The justice’s quotation came from an earlier decision.
  • ||

    Not quite, because they are seeking an injunction, not damages.

  • Tonio||

    Is this the tipping point?

  • Coeus||

    We are a country of pussies. There is no tipping point. If there was, it would have happened in 1914.

  • Hi||

    Welcome to planet wuss!

  • ||

    If this is motivated by the parent of the girl, a "well-known political figure in Grant County", this is about as disgusting an example of abuse of power and the absolute scumbaggery of the political class that you can get.

  • ||

    I wouldn't be so sure of that. The political class is more full of surprises than a tranny with maggot issues.

  • RoboCain||

    ????

  • o3||

    no, but its damn sure the stupid point.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    The lawsuit says that once he turns 18, he will be listed as a sex offender.

    Like there will be anyone left off that list a decade from now.

  • ||

    ugh, it's frightening.

    register as a sex offender and then get to work paying off the debt we accumulated while you learned about the system the hard way.

    welcome to the radiant future.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Sex: Male
    Orientation: Hetro
    Add to the list

  • ||

    The sex offender registry is completely useless when they put kids on it for crap (ha ha) like this.

    Reminds me of that old joke (recently animated in a Red Bull ad).

  • ||

    that's a Red Bull ad on tv?
    good thing they stopped FourLoko when they did...

  • ||

    Doesn't mandatory registration require a conviction in a fair trial? Perhaps that is why the prosecutor is putting so much effort into forcing the boy to admit guilt? The boy and his parents need to resist that pressure at any cost.

  • Matt||

    Once, when I was 5, we were playing some stupid game in day care and somehow I ended up seeing down the back of a girls shirt. Note that I didn't touch the girl in any way, or actually get very close to her. I still got in a shitload of trouble for that, had to sit in the corner and I got a stern lecture in front of my parents when they came to pick me up. I'm still not sure what I was supposed to do differently in that situation other than keep a blindfold on at all times.

    But I'm sure glad that I'm not going up now, they'd probably give me the chair for what I "did".

  • WWNGD?||

    Don't know why but I was reminded of "Pee-Wee's Playhouse", he put mirrors on his shoes and tried looking up his female playmate's dress. She asked what he was doing, and he said, "Trying to see your underwear." She said, "I am not wearing underwear", Pee-Wee sighed and walked away disappointed.
    The "child" character didn't know any better.

  • squishua||

    I remeber that, but it was The Pee Wee Herman Show, not Pee Wee's Playhouse.

  • ||

    Funny this was brought up, because it's the first thing I thought of.

  • Ice Nine||

    That's nothing; I used to look down Miss Yvonne's blouse every time she leaned over.

  • Atanarjuat||

    You kinda got screwed. In kindergarten a girl said "come here" and showed me her vagina under the fiberglass shell of a boat in the playground. I think we might have gotten sent to time out for it at most.

  • Zuo||

    On the other hand, 7 year old boy, you can rape and molest freeley in the future and your record will be no different than it is now.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    The state is just mad they didn't get to collect a medical license fee from the kid beforehand.

  • ||

    Wow. It's rare that an internetz is won so quickly.

    Bravo!

  • Mensan||

    Damn, beat me to it. That'll teach me to take a couple days off from H&R to spend the holiday with the family.

    I was going to write: I'm surprised they didn't charge him with practicing medicine without a license.

  • WWNGD?||

    There was a teen couple in Georgia a few years back, he was 16 she was 15, they did what teenagers do when they are "in love." They were caught, he will have to register as a sex offender for life. He was also an honor student, etc.
    Another story about a college kid who drank a little too much, he had to relieve his bladder and did so in public. He was spotted by police and has to register as a sex offender. There are many stories like this.

    So I will remind people, “There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible to live without breaking laws.”
    ~ Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

  • mad libertarian guy||

    You Rand worshipping wingnut!! I bet you're stocking your gun safe now, ready to revolt on Bill O'LimBeckitty's marching orders.

  • Old Salt||

    Only the dead girl in my head can give me my marching orders!

  • ||

    Also, it seems like the kid might want to grow up to be a proctologist.

    ASSMAN

  • The Angry RPh||

    Seinfeld reference FTW!

  • Gojira||

    Seinfeld is marginally less funny than the Holocaust.

  • ||

    So what you're saying is that Seinfeld is hilarious.

    You know, Jim, you're like the A-bomb. Everyone's laughing, having a good time, and you show up BOOM! Everything's dead!

  • Gojira||

    I enjoy the comparison.

    Actually I thought of you earlier today; I picked up The Stuff and all three It's Alive movies (on one dvd) and plan on having a very Michael Moriarty Thanksgiving. I thought, "You know, I bet Epi would appreciate this."

  • ||

    Oh, I always appreciate Larry Cohen. You were correct, Jimbo. Now you're making me want to have my own Larry Marathon over the holiday.

  • Dr. Rather||

    Tell us all about your epi fantasies

  • ||

    +1 Jim

  • ||

    ASSBOY?

  • chris||

    My dad caught me spanking the monkey to the blond drummer in the Jose and the Pussy Cats cartoon when I was four. I wonder if the blinds were closed. Lucky no prosecutors or cops happened to be walking by.

  • JoJo Zeke||

    Hey... at least it wasn't Scrappy-Doo.

  • chris||

    I just looked up the video of the intro theme on Youtube. oh, I remember her. I can honestly say I haven't changed at all in nearly forty years. BRB!

  • Sabrina, the Teen-Age Witch||

    I can't believe you've been cheating on me with that... that... tiger-eared trollop! You BASTARD -- !!!

  • mad libertarian guy||

    There were any a times I'd watch Sabrina only to be found later on in my bunk.

  • Apatheist||

    +1 childhood spankbank entry

  • Rasputin the Great||

    Sabrina, want me to show you how to make a penis disappear?

  • JoJo Zeke||

    Show it a picture of Helen Thomas, nekkid...?

  • Rasputin the Great||

    Even *I* don't sorcery enough to protect from that kind of evil!

  • ||

    Try to put Tara Reid out of your mind...

  • ||

    Damn squirrels won't let me post a picture of "dicktits" anymore, which should be required when Tara Reid is brought up.

  • Fred Flintstone||

    "Yabba-Dabba-DO ME -- !!!"

  • Pokemon Venereal Diseases||

    "Gotta catch 'em ALL!!!"

  • Brock da Rock||

    I'm a pokemon breeder!

    Just me and my friends all alone in the wilderness BREEDING!

    ...

    Why are you looking at me like that?

  • CalebT||

    Am I racist, or did the negro tambourine ruin the band's sex-appeal?

  • Old Salt||

    Black Kittie had more rhythm than both the Pink Pussies combined and they STILL wouldn't let her play a real instrument!

  • Archie Andrews||

    Oh, I let her play with a "real instrument," all right...

  • Old Salt||

    Hate to break it to you, but if you DON'T cloe the deal with TWO horny little hotties like Betty and Veronica (or even that ball of fire Sheryl) within a 70 year time frame, then you MUST be gay!

    Or a eunuch...

  • Betty Cooper||

    This one time, at Band Camp...

  • "Jughead" Jones||

    Christ! That was YOU -- ?!?

  • Mr. Weatherbee||

    Christ! That was YOU -- ?!?

  • The Groovie Ghoulies||

    Christ! That was YOU -- ?!?

  • ||

    I am a fan of your music.

  • Ziggy||

    This one time, at Band Camp...

    Meh. I've had better.

    That weird-lookin' little dog, kept following me around all the time...?

    Oh. Fucking. YEAH.

  • chris||

    No, the animators were racist for not drawing a hotter black chick, and for not giving her a fucking real instrument.

  • Ian Malcolm||

    Am I racist, or how the fuck did I have a dark-skinned negro daughter?

  • Sarah Harding||

    What'd I tell you? Don't ask questions!

  • John Hammond||

    how the fuck did I have a dark-skinned negro daughter?

    Two words, Ian: "Chaos. Theory."

    Oh... wait. Wait. Sorry. What I actually meant to say was: "Frog. DNA."

  • Mr. DNA||

    "From your butt...er...I mean blood!"

  • John "Ray"Arnold||

    Hold on your butts!

  • Ray||

    That's what got this kid in trouble in the first place.

  • ||

    Joseand the Pussy Cats

    Um, is this your way of telling us something, chris?

  • Xenocles||

    Also "blond."

  • chris||

    Uhm . . shit . . Freud was a fucking asshole!

  • ||

    Big Bugs Bunny fan too, aren't you, chris?

  • ||

    Also, it seems like the kid might want to grow up to be a proctologist.

    Colorectal surgeon is the preferred nomenclature these days.

    I wonder if the kiddos had the game Operation handy as well.

  • ||

    I propose they use Butt Doctor instead.

  • ||

    Ass Tech would suffice.

  • Montezuma||

    Say what?

  • ||

    "dunphy doc" is appropriate.

  • ||

    troll-o-meter:.000001

    can't address ideas like a rational person, so attack the messenger

  • ||

    Ah, I finally got it!

    I'm an idiot.

  • ||

    The lawsuit says that once he turns 18, he will be listed as a sex offender.

    Like a 7 year old is going to be able to understand the gravity of such a future consequence. Disgraceful.

    "Johnny, here a new word for you. Can you say pariah?

  • ||

    It's not a punishment, it's a means of protecting society (or so the story goes). So by that logic the age of the person when the offense was committed is irrelevant.

  • ||

    Admit it Groovy Pie, as fun as the thrill of playing Operation is, ultimately you were more influenced by playing "Doctor" with the sweet neighbor girl.

  • Shin Nohara||

    Not if your girl next door is Ms. Penny Milfer!

  • Old Salt||

    I love Shin Chan, the phrase "Ouchie Sex" has become a pet favorite!

  • ||

    Thanks a LOT, Old Salt, now my husband is watching that show and will likely watch every episode he can until he passes out.

    Bastard!

  • Old Salt||

    Ain't Netflix great?

  • ||

    "Under seven years of age indeed an infant cannot be guilty of felony; for then a felonious discretion is almost an impossibility in nature: but at eight years old he may be guilty of felony." IV William Blackstone Commentaries on the Laws of England 23 (1769). I guess Blackstone was just soft on crime.

  • ||

    Operation is, ultimately you were more influenced by playing "Doctor" with the sweet neighbor girl.

    Actually, it was this game that had the most influence. The folks started in on the medical indoctrination fairly early. Everything else was just a bonus.

  • ||

    I had this. And it wasn't indoctrination; it was really fun.

  • ||

    Nice, I rocked the fuck out of this one. Viruses didn't stand a chance against my mad skills.

  • ||

    Viruses didn't stand a chance against my mad skills.

    So many ways to go with this, petite one...

    I still have that old Intellivision console somewhere, believe it or not.

  • ||

    Me too... I actually know exactly where it is at my parents' place too. I've been thinking lately of bringing it back when I visit at xmas to see what it looks like on my big Aquos

  • mad libertarian guy||

    Shit.

  • DK||

    It almost makes you want to become a governor and not do a fucking thing other than grant pardons and expungements.

  • Old Salt||

    And fire people!

  • ||

    Here is the stupid cunt's email address.

    Lisa.Riniker@da.wi.gov

  • ||

    Providing somebody's email is lame.

    Calling a woman the "c-word" is lame twice over.

    Thanks for makin' us look bad.

  • ||

    She's a cunt. Not in the colloquial sense of the word, either, Ken. "Making us look bad"? What the fuck is this, Catholic school? Telling it how it is, or at least being honest as to one's reactions and opinions, is certainly a welcome break from the daily avalanche of bullshit I (and, I suspect, all the rest of you) get from your politically correct average Joes.

  • ||

    Surely there must be some way to criticize this prosecutor without making ourselves look stupid.

    Just so you know? Using the c-word makes you look stupid.

  • ||

    No, it doesn't. "Cunt" is a word -- it's got a definition. That definition describes Riniker perfectly, and that's why the word was used. And it'll be applied with abandon without concern for any perceptions you (or anybody else) may harbor as to its appropriateness, and rightly so.

    You could write a book addressing and explaining everything that's wrong with what this cunt did, and it would still be incomplete without calling her what she is -- a cunt.

  • ||

    "Cunt" is a word

    Do you get a thrill up your leg when you say "cunt"? I'll bet you get a boner. Do you get a boner, little boy, when you type "cunt" repeatedly?

  • ||

    Absolutely. It turns me on like you wouldn't believe. I'm just hoping this Riniker chick's a mind-numbingly attractive MILF.

  • Beloved Rev. Blue Moon||

    I'm just hoping this Riniker chick's a mind-numbingly attractive MILF.

    Probably not.

  • jacob||

    I dunno, I kind of dig the "innocent secretary" look

  • ||

    Do you get a thrill up your leg when you say "cunt"? I'll bet you get a boner. Do you get a boner, little boy, when you type "cunt" repeatedly?

    Drop your pants, bend over, and find out.

  • Art Vandelay||

    Do you get a thrill up your leg when you say "cunt"?

    Do you get a thrill up your leg, play purse-lipped 'net nanny?

  • Art Vandelay||

    ... playING...

  • ||

    If somebody was workin' for me was so out of it, he didn't realize that using that word in public made him look stupid?

    He wouldn't be workin' for me for very long.

    I'd rather hire somebody that walks around with toilet paper stuck to his shoes.

  • ||

    1) It's a fucking internet comments section. "Public"? Is this a spoof?

    2) Might make him/me look rude, look like an asshole, whatever, sure, but stupid? I don't see the connection.

    3) Making decisions on whether to hire or fire people based on words they use -- a fantastic strategy, and a sure demonstration of an employer's capitalistic aptitude.

  • ||

    Ken is a moron and a humorless twit, dude. Just thought you should know that.

  • ||

    And Episarch's not a troll at all.

  • ||

    Ken, you are genuflecting at the altar of sacrificing substance for form. It is not a good trait and it is not an attribute of a gentleman.

    I agree that profanity and snarkiness and ad hominem attacks are not best path; however, when dealing with state actors who are all about aggression and violence and parasitism, I think it is better that you focus on that and not the cussing of libertarians.

  • ||

    "I agree that profanity and snarkiness and ad hominem attacks are not best path; however, when dealing with state actors who are all about aggression and violence and parasitism, I think it is better that you focus on that and not the cussing of libertarians."

    The word he used isn't like cussing.

    That's about the closest thing we have to a racial slur against women. If he'd used a racial slur, I'd have said more or less the same thing.

    And if somebody's makin' libertarians look bad, I'm not about to shut up about it in the name of libertarianism.

  • Coeus||

    The word he used isn't like cussing.

    That's about the closest thing we have to a racial slur against women.

    Does it get hot wearing all that armor? Maybe you can slap Res with a gauntlet to defend that cunt's honor.

  • ||

    Shut the fuck up Ken. Pull your sniveling head out of your self-righteous ass. Don't condescendingly try to protect me from a fucking word you uppity prick. This women is a grade A cunt, and if she was a guy, he would be a grade A dick. It's nothing more than a crude word for genitals. Get the fuck over it.

  • ||

    Shut the fuck up Ken.

    No.

  • Art Vandelay||

    Don't condescendingly try to protect me from a fucking word you uppity prick. This women is a grade A cunt, and if she was a guy, he would be a grade A dick. It's nothing more than a crude word for genitals. Get the fuck over it.

    +1. And then +1 again.

  • Pete||

    You misspelled "derp."

  • ||

    And if somebody's makin' libertarians look bad, I'm not about to shut up about it in the name of libertarianism.

    Defending this stupid cunt's honor for the offense of not using the proper Ken accepted nomenclature is hardly defending libertarianism.

  • ||

    Where do you stand on "gash"?

  • KPres||

    "The word he used isn't like cussing...That's about the closest thing we have to a racial slur against women...And if somebody's makin' libertarians look bad."

    Are you kidding me? The fact that libertarians aren't a bunch of politically correct tightwads is one of the most attractive features. You're the one making us look bad.

  • ||

    I don't have any problem with the word "cunt." I use it all the time, and I have a cunt. In fact, when I was 25, a guy I was dating had to take me aside and tell me that women didn't like that word. And here I was, a woman, using it all the time. It's an awesome word, with all its hard consonants that cause expulsions of air from the throat, that it relieves stress just to expel it out of off the mouth. The utterance of the word is almost as pleasurable as the confluence of hard consanants in "cocksucker." These words, when used masterfully, are delightful to utter.

  • ||

    felt you were channeling George Carlin there...

  • ||

    Libertarians do not force their will, or opinions on others. At least it seems they shouldn't, if inline with the philosophy.

  • ||

    I agree that profanity and snarkiness and ad hominem attacks are not best path;

    From Radley' blog:

    In justification for the charge, Riniker is quoted in the lawsuit saying “the Legislature could have put an age restriction in the statute … the legislature did no such thing.”

    First of all, didn't this stupid cunt learn about the concept of mens rea in law school? Do you really think a 5 years can grok the proper mental state of sexual gratification for a sexual assualt? He is probably more confused about why she doesn't have wiener than about satifying his own libido which I am sure he doens't even know he has. That piece of shit lawyer (oh sorry, that is a redundancy) threw out the concept of mens rea, makes her stupid. And that she went ahead and prosecuted him anyway, makes her a fucking cunt.

    Secondly, under this stupid cunt's logic, if indeed the youth of the perpetrator is indeed no barrier at all, then a breastfeeding child could be charged with sexual assualt. The mind numbingly stupidity, inhumanity, all make her worthy of the moniker, stupid cunt.

    And if anyone is offended... fuck you too.

  • Adult Libertarian||

    And if anyone is offended... fuck you too.

    Ladies (all two of you) and gentlemen, I give you the voice of Reason. You must be so proud.

  • ||

    1. It's safe to assume that a fair number of the people who have posts written about them here at Hit & Run--come here and read it.

    Hell, you read posts about other people--even when the post isn't about you. If the post was about you, you don't think...?

    2. Just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean you're not...

    3. Yeah, anybody who's not smart enough to protect me from the negative consequences of the stupid things they didn't need to say?

    There's no way they're smart enough to work for me.

  • ||

    Ken, I once lost a very good customer who I liked very much even though he was a big government liberal on account of my employee preaching Jesus, hard core. The irony was that the customer was a born again christian himeslf with an MBA and prep school background. My employee was a motorcycle mama, single mother, recent convert to Jesus.

    The point? Most of us here, even me, agree that one would not want an employee to be mouthing such things as "cunt bitch" to a pain in the neck female patron / prospective patron / employee of a company whose business one was seeking.

    However, please read my post at 8:12. This prosecutor is not a patron nor is she a prospective patron. She is a parasite who has no inhibitions about using her office to do violence to a family.

    Perspective. Context.

  • entrepreneur||

    nor is she a prospective patron

    Categorically unverifiable.

    Just sayin'.

  • ||

    1) That's wasn't my point -- my point, to put it delicately, is who the fuck gives a shit?

    2) Utilization of politically incorrect (descriptively accurate) terms to describe despotic governmental officials = stupid. Got it. Thanks, man, you cleared that up for my underdeveloped, dysfunctional mind. I'll send you a postcard.

    3) You must be a campaign manager, or Susan Sarandon's publicist. Wow, Ken. Tough living! Stay strong there!

  • JoJo Zeke||

    There's no way they're smart enough to work for me.

    Even better: they're both smart enough NOT to.

  • ||

    If somebody was workin' for me was so out of it, he didn't realize that using that word in public made him look stupid?

    He wouldn't be workin' for me for very long.

    Cuz you know folks....lawyers has themselves a good reputation. Down there above pedophiles but below Used Car Salemen. And we don't want to fuck up our privleged postion being the punultimate step on the ladder of societies scumbags. We don't want to fuck that shit up.

    Ken, here some free advice, shut the fuck up while you are ahead.

  • ||

    You think I'm a lawyer?!

  • Shultz Dipshit||

    No, Ken, turns out you are a cunt.

    What kind of a retard spends his time being erudite while we're discussing a 6-year old's life being ruined.

    Yes, Ken, you are a weak spined, third rate cunt. That's all you are.

  • Millenial Hater||

    What a fucking childish piece of loathsome shit you are. Fuck yourself with something septic, you cankerous imbred sucker of the necrotic dicks of tertiary syphilus patients. Resume your bedpan licking duties, you training-wage loser, you utter waste of space and time. May your buboes swell and fester, may your feet decay and slough away, may the stabbing ache of the knowledge of your own worthless self leave you impotent and enfeebled, containing the racid DNA within the loathsome dribble with which you threaten the future through the reproduction of your sort of inbred, crooked-toothed, microcephalic clan of Time magazine readers.

    Fuck you.

  • Tom Hanks||

    If somebody was workin' for me was so out of it

    ... what was the first thing you was do?

  • Dave||

    I disagree.

    I like cunts. They're very nice.

    I do not like Lisa Riniker. Can't we come up with nasty names to call such people without continuing the tradition of associating sexual organs with things that are bad? I tend to think that that habit is part of the problem.

  • Jay||

    Yes, right on. Why do people feel that calling someone a sexual organ is bad? It should be a compliment.

  • ||

    Using the c-word makes you look stupid.

    So, Ken, how do I sesquipedalianize "stupid cunt" enough to satisfy you with to adequate quantum of erudiation?

    Fuck this cunt. I tell you what Ken, I will check my anger. If i was a good and proper douchebag, I might say something really fucked up like, "I'd like to see this stupid cunt anally assaulted with a baseball bat so she knows what the fuck a real sexual assault looks like." But I won't cuz even as an egregious bully cunt that she is, violence isn't going to make this situation any better.

  • ||

    Do you talk like that every time somebody criticizes you for using the c-word or saying something stupid?

    Or just sometimes?

  • ||

    I haven't seen him do that before -- I'm assuming he was outraged at what he'd just read in the article, reached for his keyboard to rightfully start criticizing and insulting the living shit out of Riniker, and saw you quivering in earnest concern about how rightly scorned, angry libertarians/constitutionalists/anarchists REALLY OH MY LAWD REALLY REALLY SHUDN'T be using "slurs", lest they scare off some Democrat.

    Who can blame him?

  • ||

    Rhetorical questions are fucking stupid, Ken. Get some fucking balls and just say what you mean.

  • ||

    That's not a rhetorical question!

    If somebody in a movie theater told you that using the c-word in public made you look stupid, would you say the same shit?

    If i was a good and proper douchebag, I might say something really fucked up like, "I'd like to see this stupid cunt anally assaulted with a baseball bat so she knows what the fuck a real sexual assault looks like." But I won't cuz even as an egregious bully cunt that she is, violence isn't going to make this situation any better."

    That's how you roll? ...when people criticize the stupid stuff you say?

    Nothing rhetorical about that question.

  • Homer Simpson||

    Do I know what rhetorical means?

  • KPres||

    It's not a movie theatre, it's the internet. Different protocal, dipshit.

  • ||

    Do you talk like that every time somebody criticizes you for using the c-word or saying something stupid?

    Do you always answer questions with questions? Fuck you law professor.

  • Arthur Alan Wolk||

    Sooo...what's new around here?

  • ||

    Baaaaaaaa!

  • mad libertarian guy||

    Either way, NOT being a collectivist, what someone else might say has any bearing on me.

    Fuck off slaver!

  • ||

    Sorry Ken, RPA is right and you're wrong on this one. If we can't use obscenities to describe public officials, what's the first amendment good for?

    Oh, and fuck you too.

    -jcr

  • ||

    Hey man, she's not a cunt. She lacks both the warmth and the depth to be called a cunt.

  • Dave||

    +1

    And I tend to think our use of sexual terms as slurs is itself part of the problem. It encourages the idea that there is something wrong with a couple kids playing "butt doctor", for instance.

  • ||

    Well, Ken, seeing as you're the lamest, shouldn't you take some of the responsibility for that?

  • ||

    Vile troll.

  • ||

    Concern troll is concerned.

  • Adult Libertarian||

    The funny thing is that "Episiarch" is a troll, and he doesn't even realize it.

  • Spartak||

    For that you need to eat a deep dish pizza and watch 3 Micheal Bay movies.

  • ||

    For that you need to eat a deep dish pizza and watch 3 Micheal Bay movies.

    That's beyond cruel.

  • ||

    Trolling for Epi while insisting he's a troll. You have no self-awareness, do you rectal?

  • Dr. Rather||

    mikielk@gmail.com, I did not write any of the above but for the Dr. Rectal, and I used my link; I have a feeling I won't have to prove it.

    Good luck

  • BakedPenguin||

    +1 Mad Scientist

  • ||

    It's not her email. It's the people's email (note the .gov domain).

    And in any case, "providing" an email, address, phone number, etc that's obtainable with 30 seconds of googling and following links isn't invasion of privacy at all.

  • ||

    Great, so there's no reason to post other people's contact information on Hit & Run then.

    Inviting people to email somebody--in a post where the c-word's getting thrown around...

    That's not makin' us look any better either. Actually, didn't Gillespie or Welch put up a post asking us not to do shit like that not so long ago?

  • ||

    Yeah, but except for the local trolls, I'm willing to wager nobody here would spam her/curse her by email. If somebody WERE to contact her, it would be a genuine complain.

    Like I said, fuming to each other on a website is one thing -- doesn't mean people follow the same pattern when seriously confronting somebody like her.

  • ||

    *complaint

  • ||

    Who's this "us" shit? Speak for your fucking self.

  • ||

    "Us" in this case is "us libertarians" who give money to the Reason Foundation.

    The reason we give money to the Reason Foundation? Isn't to give you a forum from which to make libertarians look bad.

    P.S. Episarch apparently thinks we donate to provide trolls like him a forum to drive non-libertarians away from the site--which is even more bizarre.

  • ||

    Let's get one thing straight -- anybody that seriously believes it isn't acceptable, even RIGHT, to refer to a fiendish, tyrannical prosecutor chasing a six-year-old kid with noxious bullshit that has potentially (likely, in fact) life-destroying consequences as a cunt isn't going to be interested in a libertarian publication anyway.

  • ||

    You have to be the most confused, stupid fuck on this forum, Ken, if you think I'm a troll trying to "drive non-libertarians away from the site". Are you really this stupid and unobservant? Are you really this blind to what handles say what and when people are spoofed?

    How fucking stupid are you, Ken? This is a serious question. Do you even comprehend what I'm talking about?

  • ||

    Trolls not realizing they're trolls is pretty standard.

  • ||

    Morons not realizing they're morons is pretty standard, Ken. Especially for you.

  • ||

    Vile troll.

  • alienrants||

    Trolls not realizing they're trolls is pretty standard.

    Said without even so much as a scintilla of evident irony or self-awareness.

    Delicious.

  • ||

    The reason we give money to the Reason Foundation?

    Maybe that is the reason "you" give money to Reason, but it isn't the reason I give to Reason. Don't speak for me anyone else with that collectivist bullshit.

    Isn't to give you a forum from which to make libertarians look bad.

    I hate to give you a pearl necklace, but libertarians already look bad. Freedom isn't exactly a cherished ideal anymore. If OWS shows anything, americans are a bunch of collectivist fucks willing to give up freedom to make you share your pie.

    Episarch apparently thinks we donate to provide trolls like him a forum to drive non-libertarians away from the site--which is even more bizarre.

    I would to Reason to fucks from Mother Jones and Jezabel will come over.

  • ||

    P.S. Episarch apparently thinks we donate to provide trolls like him a forum to drive non-libertarians away from the site--which is even more bizarre.

    Epi a troll? Are you fucking serious? Look Ken, drop the Black's Law Dictionary. Look Ken, I have a lot of respect for your opinions, but if you are afraid you are gonna look bad, if your afraid some client is gonna say, "oh you assoicate with those douchebags at Reason.com, I'm not going to hire you," then go somewhere else.

  • ||

    BTW, and for the record, Epi should be banished for skullfucking Warty and openly associating with Pro L and Sugarfree. Hell, even I have standards.

  • Beloved Rev. Blue Moon||

    Ken, I get from time to time this place gets a little too locker room-esque. But if there were a time and a place for that word, then this is it. She's going after a six-year old, Ken. Six. Years. Old. This is only one step away from indicting a baby because it has its hands downs its pants (like babies do). Like I said, if there ever were an appropriate target for the word "cunt", then she is it.

  • ||

    Aha! We agree.

  • ||

    "But if there were a time and a place for that word, then this is it."

    Like I said, I don't think so.

    I think the c-word's basically like the n-word.

    The only appropriate time to use either one is when you're describing something someone racist and/or stupid said that was amazingly dumb.

  • ||

    1) It's just the female version of "dick", so, really, it's practically enlightened to use it and unenlightened to refrain from using it. You wouldn't want to be unenlightened, would you?

    B) There's always "gash".

  • ||

    The n-word is just based on a latin adjective for the word "black".

    Does that somehow make it okay to use?

    The correct answer is "no".

  • Yosemite Sham||

    Ken's right. Lisa Riniker is not a cunt. She's just an evil bitch who might or might not fuck sheep and small children, and who possibly deserves to die slowly in a horrific fire, and then dwell for eternity in the special rung in hell reserved for evil bitches like her, getting perpetually raped in her every orifice by demons with dicks of molten lava, screaming not in pleasure, but in excruciating pain - possibly. But she's definitely not a "cunt" as you say.

  • JoJo Zeke||

    I think the c-word's basically like the n-word.

    ... and, demonstrably, the majority of respondents on this thread do not.

    Now what?

  • KPres||

    "Like I said, I don't think so."

    Well I think so, so fuck off and die.

    "The only appropriate time to use either one is when you're describing something..."

    Or when some cunt ruins and innocent kids life.

  • Warty||

    P.S. Episarch apparently thinks we donate to provide trolls like him a forum to drive non-libertarians away from the site--which is even more bizarre.

    Heh.

    Oh wait, you're serious? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    You're too dumb to make fun of, Ken. It's not sporting.

  • ||

    Apparently, we should all courteously submit poetic objections, written in the most gentlemanly words and accommodating way that can be attained to ensure no offense is caused, until the fucking cows come home, and ungodly scum of her ilk tug us into a wholesale police state with a vicious, totalitarian judicial system. Red Russia was enough for us -- no fucking thank you.

    These people wield extraordinary power that they use to siphon MORE extraordinary power to themselves, often violently and brazenly, from the people, or from the legitimate functionaries of government. Bowing your head and polishing your fucking tongue (ready for the bootlicking) isn't going to achieve anything with these people, and you know it.

    If it takes pissing on the graves of people like her, then that's what should be done.

  • ||

    "Apparently, we should all courteously submit poetic objections, written in the most gentlemanly words and accommodating way that can be attained to ensure no offense is caused, until the fucking cows come home,..."

    When I said that using the c-word makes you look stupid, is that really what you heard?

  • ||

    Every single person I've ever met, heard, or seen that obsesses over this sort of bullshit the way you do is either 1) trying to change the subject and invalidate their opponent's argument by fallacious proxy, or 2) convinced that the only way to discuss, judge, and comment on important subjects, especially political issues, is to be respectful and cautious, and that expressing outrage directly makes somebody lesser/stupid/below you.

    Was that what I heard when you said calling a cunt a cunt makes me look stupid? Yeah, right after "does not compute -- what the fuck?" rang in my head for a few seconds.

  • real internet tuff gai||

    Ken is a cunt. There, I said it.

  • another internet tough guy||

    Agreed. Total cunt this Ken is.

  • real internet libertarian||

    A cunt full of sand.

  • ||

    "2) convinced that the only way to discuss, judge, and comment on important subjects, especially political issues, is to be respectful and cautious, and that expressing outrage directly makes somebody lesser/stupid/below you."

    If I think I'm superior to you because I'm better at resisting the urge to use the c-word--and using the c-word make you look stupid?

    That doesn't necessarily mean I'm not superior to you.

    I'm not responsible for maintaining your self-esteem.

    If your parents raised someone who's proud of using the c-word, then you should be ashamed of your parents.

  • Anthony Comstock||

    [::gestures towards Shultz::] This is my son, in whom I am well pleased.

  • KPres||

    "If I think I'm superior to you because I'm better at resisting the urge to use the c-word--and using the c-word make you look stupid?"

    No, that makes you a spineless, sniveling PC snob. The kind of person that everybody hates.

  • ||

    What an unctuous prick you are.

    "If your parents raised someone who's proud of using the c-word, then you should be ashamed of your parents."

    So, now you're an etymological expert, since you clearly have no problem drawing extraordinary conclusions about my parents based on my use of a profane term on an internet comments board?

    "then you should be ashamed of your parents."

    Eat shit.

  • ||

    IF the shoe fits, wear it!

    I've never heard anyone in my family use the c-word.

    No one I work with uses that word.

    My friends don't use that word--even about people they hate.

    If you come from some family or some place where that's okay? Sorry to hear that!

    Doesn't mean I have to pretend your disgusting behavior is okay.

    What are you--some kind of ethical relativist? Nobody's supposed to think they're better than anyone else?

    Got news for you! If you and your friends and your family go around using the c-word? I'm way better than you.

  • ||

    You just jumped the shark in a way the Book of Deuteronomy never could. Congratulations.

  • Mensan||

    "If you come from some family or some place where that's okay? Sorry to hear that!"

    Can you imagine if Ken ever spent any time in England? He'd be walking around in a constant state of slack-jawed exasperation upon witnessing the frequent casual use of this word that he finds so unnerving.

  • Ice Cream Bunny||

    You'll have to forgive our Ken: he's still in sackcloth and ashes over the tragic loss of Little Miracle -- the Immaculate Imaginary Infant.

    Be gentle. He's hurting.

  • Ice Cream Bunny||

  • Ice Cream Bunny||

    The technical term for creatures such as Jennifer Fox is, I believe: cunt.

  • Tom Hanks||

    the urge to use the c-word [...] using the c-word

    Big boys and girls don't use kiddie playground euphemisms such as "poopies," "wee-wee," or (as in this case) "c-word."

  • Ayn Rand||

    "Us" in this case is "us libertarians"

    You know nothing of me, or my work.

  • TI||

    I just want to say that I have never commented on this website before and rarely been here but Ken, you're making this place look bad.

    The word "cunt" is used by everyone in Britain the way Americans use the word dick, and they use it for men as well.

    Get over yourself. Also, in the younger generation's parlance, you're what they call a "faggot" which also doesn't mean what you think it means. There is no American word that the older generation uses that describes you very well, but the British word "wanker" is nearly perfect.

  • JoJo Zeke||

    Welcome to the board. ;)

  • ||

    Ken,
    I am one of the few in this conversation who actually has a cunt. It's a delightful word that I use frequently. That posters on Reason use the word cunt freely and in sometimes imaginitive ways keeps me here on this site. I WANT to be around people who will call a cunt a cunt. So please do the female gender a favor and not to fucking presume that we are all offended by the use of cunt. Don't stereotype us as a bunch of uptight cunts who cringe at the use of the word. Your presumption that we cannot handle the use of profanity, as if it scalded are pristine ears is insulting. IOW, stop acting like a cunt.

  • JoJo Zeke||

    Game, Set & Match: sailshonan.

  • ||

    It's true. My fontanel never did seal up properly.

  • ||

    Actually, didn't Gillespie or Welch put up a post asking us not to do shit like that not so long ago?

    Yeah, because cocksucking bootlicking lawyers can't take some verbal criticism. God lawyers are so fucking spineless.

  • Coeus||

    Some are. Don't forget about "he who shall not be named"

  • ||

    As a proud co-defendant, I shall never forget "he who shall not be named."

  • Adult Libertarian||

    "Proud"? Because you spout obscenities on the internet like a punk adolescent grafittis a wall? You're a pathetic nonentity.

  • ||

    Who's more pathetic -- the obscene nonentity, or the gap-shot dipstick incessantly chasing the obscene nonentity around all day pointing out its faults?

    What a fucking idiot.

  • Pathetic Entities||

    £ µ © × &yen Ö µ

  • BakedPenguin||

    +1 Troy

  • JoJo Zeke||

    You're a pathetic nonentity.

    ... said the anonymous message board troll.

  •  ||

    said the anonymous message board troll

    Like you're not anonymous! So funny.

  • JoJo Zeke||

    Like you're not anonymous! So funny.

    Shhhhhhh, little sock puppet. Shhhhhhhhhhhhh.

  • ||

    I wondered who the bigger pussy was, the person committing the misdemeanor crime of graffiti, or the wanker that faints when they read the graffiti if it includes the n-word or cunt.....

  • ||

    Great, so there's no reason to post other people's contact information on Hit & Run then.

    Not even remotely similar. She put her name and office out there in public, and a quick google search using this publicly available information gives the contact information (for her govt email and office, not her home address).

    Whereas, coming up with contact information for one of us anonymous commenters would require some detective work (or a betrayal of trust).

  • ||

    Don't you dare tease the Reasonatti about our secret trysts.

    What is in poorer taste, employing a redundancy as I just did or using the c-word?

  • ||

    Thanks for makin' us look bad.

    You're about 5 years too late, Ken.

  • ||

    Do you people even TRY anymore?

  • ||

    No it isn't fuck her. She is fucking up some innocents child's life for some fucked up reason. And if you are going to use the power of the state to fuck up a child's life for some fucked up lame reason, that makes her a fucking cunt. A particularly egregious fucking cunt.

  • Adult Libertarian||

    Little boy likes to swear! Most adults get that out of their system long before they become adults. How old are you, "Troy"? 14?

  • ||

    I'm not sure that insult's going to work the way you intended it to; there's plenty of mindful, knowledgeable, steadfast 14-year-olds NOT living in Los Angeles or Chicago whose shit you wouldn't be worthy to scrape off the bathroom floor.

  • Adult Adult Libertarian||

    "Most" and yet you conclude that he is necessarily a child. Good job. For the record, I didn't start swearing until I was about 20 and finally "got" politics.

  • ||

    I didn't conclude shit, asshole:

    "Most adults get that out of their system long before they become adults."

    According to whom? Your sanctimonious ass?

    "there's plenty of mindful, knowledgeable, steadfast 14-year-olds NOT living in Los Angeles or Chicago whose shit you wouldn't be worthy to scrape off the bathroom floor."

    Where in that paragraph did I make any assumptions as to Troy's age?

    "For the record, I didn't start swearing until I was about 20 and finally "got" politics."

    Until you were about 20? Yeah, being a condescending prick does that to you.

  • Adult Adult Libertarian||

    Preaching to the choir. Threaded comments. Poor name choice. etc.

  • BakedPenguin||

    +1 Troy

  • Jerry Falwell||

    Little boy likes to swear! Most adults get that out of their system long before they become adults.

    We are not so very different, you and I.

  • KPres||

    "Little boy likes to swear! Most adults get that out of their system long before they become adults. How old are you, "Troy"? 14?"

    I'm an adult and I swear when it's appropriate. Like when describing this cunt.

    Who the hell let the puritans in here? I mean, they do such a good job of defending the socon name...

  • ||

  • ||

    Pointing out that using the c-word is pathetic and stupid causes an uproar?

    Why?

    Defending the use of the c-word is actually important to some people?

    Wow.

  • Coeus||

    Defending the use of the c-word is actually important to some people?

    Why would you find it odd that people on a libertarian site defend their right to speak freely?

  • ||

    I'm not attacking their right to speak freely.

    I'm pointing out that some of them spoke stupidly.

    If they get bent out of shape because I pointed out they're making themselves look stupid, that doesn't turn it into me attacking their right to speak freely.

  • ||

    Announcing our stupidity, youalso specifically said that people here shouldn't curse, that it scares unconvinced and fragile flowers of the netherworlds of the political spetrum away, and then appealed to the editors' authority, all wrapped in several stern declarations that cursing makes people stupid/look stupid.

    Here's a counter for you: guarding your tongue on subjects of politics and government as if chains sat on your shoulders makes you sound and look like a coward.

  • ||

    "Announcing our stupidity, youalso specifically said that people here shouldn't curse..."

    Where?

  • George C||

    Wow, Ken, You are so lame.

    c-word c-word... oh, white knight, get off your horse you cunt.

  • KPres||

    "Defending the use of the c-word is actually important to some people?"

    No, but attacking pretentious PC twits like yourself is important to me.

  • Art Vandelay||

    This has been as violent and unrelenting a communal beat-down versus one, lone message board troll (Shultz) as has ever been my wide-eyed witness.

    Me likey.

  • A Serious Man||

    And in other news, Obama uses silly White House Thanksgiving traditon to revel in his new power as a petty tyrant.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com.....laterally/

    "'Some of you may know that recently I’ve been taking a series of executive actions that don’t require congressional approval,' Mr. Obama said. 'Well, here’s another one. We can’t wait to pardon these turkeys — literally. Otherwise, they’d end up next to the mashed potatoes and stuffing.'"

  • what a fucking pig...||

    ....falls right in there with threatening the Jonas Bros with killer drones. I would say he has gone well past Bush in swinishness in only three years....

  • ||

    Hunting turkeys with Predator drones is not very sporting. Besides, you ruin most of the white meat that way.

  • ||

    You got something against dark meat?

    My two beautiful mulatto nieces would not approve.

  • Coeus||

    You got something against dark meat?

    My two beautiful mulatto nieces would not approve.

    I don't. You got an email address? Assuming that they're over 16, of course.

  • ||

    You refer to your nieces as "dark meat"?

    That's wrong on several levels.

  • .||

    "After the pardoning, Liberty and Peace were to be driven to George Washington’s Mount Vernon estate in Alexandria, Va.. They will be on display for visitors during 'Christmas at Mount Vernon,' a special program through Jan. 6."

    Indeed.

  • Sevo||

    "Otherwise, they’d end up feeding people"

    Just so we know what's important to Obama

  • ||

    "The legislature could have put an age restriction in the statute if it wanted to. The legislature did no such thing."

    You're a fucking animal -- a power-abusing, cataclysmically immoral piece of shit. Political steamrollers like you are the reason scoped crossbows with dynamite attached to the bolts are a fucking extraordinary idea.

    I can't believe this shit is real.

  • Bingo||

    I can. If you grant any sort of power there is always someone, somewhere ready to abuse the shit out of it while relishing every moment.

    And they are usually the type of person most attracted to political office.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    scoped crossbows with dynamite attached to the bolts

    I saw Wile E. Coyote try something similar once. It didn't end well... for the coyote.

  • ||

    We just have to avoid the ACME dynamite.

  • Coeus||

  • Anonymous Coward||

    I thought it was well established by now that ACME products are shit.

    Oh dear, did I just use profanity? OH NOEZ!!!!

  • cynical||

    Don't be such a cunt.

  • Mr Whipple||

    When the boy's lawyer tried to have the charge dismissed, Riniker replied: "The legislature could have put an age restriction in the statute if it wanted to. The legislature did no such thing."

    Asshole never heard of prosecutorial discretion?

  • ||

    She probably savages baby owls with carving knives. Prosecutorial discretion? She's heard of it -- but it's for pussies! Right, Riniker, you dipshit?

  • ||

    Prosecutorial indiscretion is a lot more fun.

  • Butt Nurse||

    This is like the worst chat room ever.

  • Rabbler||

    I would say he was abusing his cisgender privilege.

  • Bingo||

    The commentariat deserves a weekend thread for drunken pre-turkey-induced-coma musings! We, the 99%, demand the thread that we are entitled to!

  • ||

    When the boy's lawyer tried to have the charge dismissed, Riniker replied: "The legislature could have put an age restriction in the statute if it wanted to. The legislature did no such thing."

    But it did. Wis. Stats. § 939.10 says that "The common law rules of criminal law not in conflict with chs. 939 to 951 are preserved." One of those common law rules is the one that Blackstone (whom I quoted above) mentions, that children seven years old and younger can't be charged with felonies.

  • cynical||

    You might want to send that one to the parents, if they intend to mount an appeal.

  • Jerry Sandusky||

    The idea of mounting a 6 year old is appealing.

  • ||

    I didn't hear that.

  • ||

    its all just horsing around until someone mounts an appeal...

  • Mr Whipple||

    Off topic:

    Thanksgiving caption contest from our comrades at The People's Cube

  • MNG||

    Good luck to those parents. I mean that in earnest, because I'd like to see justice for them, but I also mean it in the sense of their chances are dim. The conservatives on the SCOTUS LOVE them some prosecutorial immunity, especially prosecutorial immunity. It's one of those many areas that really puts the lie to the idea that Clarence "the Most Libertarian Justice" Thomas, Scalia et al., are somehow "anti-government." Qualified immunity is the most pro-governmental official doctrine that I can think of.

  • ||

    Clarence Thomas would uphold the conviction of the the 5 year old boy. According to Thomas, going on a fishing expedition down a little girl's pants is the prerogative of a school administrator.

  • Nipplemancer||

    Unfortunately, this.

  • randomness||

    So, commit a murder at that age, and get released when you're 18. But play butt doctor with the neighbors daughter and get caught, when you turn 18 your a sex offender. Only in America.

  • ||

    Give it a good 20 years, and we'll be just as shitty as the rest of the world. And THEN where the fuck are supposed to go?

  • cynical||

    Hint: We'll be going in a handbasket.

  • ||

    ...imported from China.

  • ||

    I think the money will run out long before it gets that bad.

  • Spartak||

    Will Everyone just chill the fuck out?

  • Rhet Orical||

    Serious topic inviting thoughtful commentary, and 98% of the replies are crude wisecracks, personal attacks and adolescent obscenities.

    Why won't anyone take libertarians seriously?

  • ||

    Personal attacks, adolescent obscenities, and crude wisecracks are about the most thoughtful sort of commentary anybody who doesn't their head firmly up their ass can give when a DA prosecutes 6-year-old children for felony sex crimes.

    Pull yourself off the fucking pedestal.

  • ||

    *have

  • Robert||

    They got a pedestal for that now?

  • ||

    Yes, it places them at a more convenient height.

  • ||

    *lalalalalalalalala* I can't hear youuuuu.

  • Arf?||

    Hi, Banjos.

  • ||

    Heeeeey Arf.

  • ||

  • ||

  • PantsFan||

  • ||

    I guess that's kinda like going Into The Great Wide Open.

  • ||

    I guess that's kinda like going Into The Great Wide Open.

  • Arf?||

    Almost didn't see you all the way up here.

  • ||

    Which Jerry? If you're talking about this one, he was a wild one.*

    Didn't he play butt doctor on a tween for realz?

  • ||

    Oh and Ken, Since you are so fucking smart with your oxymoronic legal reasoning and all, answer the question about a 5 year old having the proper mens rea. Oh, and if age and intent is not an issue, please explain why a breast feeding infant couldn't be charged with sexual assault. C'mon bro, use some of them fancy words you charge $450.00 an hour for and make "us" all look good.

  • Who Ya Gonna Call?||

  • PantsFan||

    Let's lighten up the mood
    Al Gore was in town today, and he THREW DOWN THE GAUNTLET to students:
    "We have to stop treating the atmosphere as an open sewer," he said.
    "Young people can do things that others have never dreamed of," Gore told the celebration of volunteerism and social justice organized by Free the Children.
    http://www.winnipegfreepress.c.....79598.html

  • ||

    "Now, children, FIRST, we stop using electricity and GAMBOL!"

  • ||

    ...organized by Free the Children

    Oh, sweet Jebus. I mean, NO. Fucking. Way. That is done right cartoonish.

  • ||

    I got to go to work, so this will be my last post tonight.

    I've had this stupid cunt's job. I was the Juvenile Prosecutor in Mohave County. If I had gotten a referral for this, I would have dressed down the probation officer and asked them why they were hyper-sexualizing the activities of a 5 year old and ask them whether they were projecting some kind of latent pedophilia. And I am 99% sure that my boss, still Jace Zack, would have supported that decision.

  • DEA strikes again||

    Trying to shut down an 88-year old man's business of selling bottles with iodine crystals for backpackers to purify water with: http://www.mercurynews.com/sar.....source=rss

    "Methamphetamine is an insidious drug that causes enormous collateral damage," wrote Barbara Carreno, a DEA spokeswoman. "If Mr. Wallace is no longer in business he has perhaps become part of that collateral damage, for it was not a result of DEA regulations, but rather the selfish actions of criminal opportunists. Individuals that readily sacrifice human lives for money."

  • WWNGD?||

    This was covered elsewhere, remember "If it saves the life of just one person it is all so worth it." We need to remove salt from people's homes, it contains iodine.

  • ||

    From the PDF, "D" is the accused:

    In the Fall of 2010, three children, namely "D" and two other children, each 5 years-old (brother & sister) were playing "Doctor" with their guest, D. Two of the three children, one of which was D, exhibited behavior that according to retained experts, is normal childhood behavior; however, the Grant County District Attorney (Defendant Lisa Riniker), asserts that the behavior was felonious.

    (Emphasis mine).

    According to this, the kiddo was engaging in childhood play that is not outside the scope of pre-school aged children engaging in child sexual play that is not considered out of the normal scope of child psychosocial and psychosexual development, according the writings of Paiget, Erickson, and Schacter & Singer. It's hardly uncommon for children to act out situations involving their genitals with peers their own age. If "D" was a pint-sized Khaddafi molesting the girl with a Barbie doll, hyperbolic, I know, but that would certainly qualify as aberrant behavior, not simple touching.

    Apparently, the power hungry prosecutor here disagreed and has an axe to grind, as does the sister-in-law (of the prosecutor), Jan Moritz, a social worker, who interviewed "D" in a professional capacity and lodged the complaint.

    (1) "D" is 6-year-old child who previous to the alleged criminal act in issue, had medical issues that necessitated rectal examinations by medical personnel.

    Without the kiddos chart handy, I cannot ascertain to the nature of the tot's chief complaint, but as a physician who deals in that end of the world, so's to speak, I offer conjecture the kid had an internal haemorrhoid or more likely a fistula, thus necessitating a DRE. Which, wisely or not, this group of pediatric inquirers acted out upon each other and such behavior is not, IMO, out of the realm of what is considered "natural childhood curiosity."

    (2) In the Fall of 2010, "D" was charged by Grant County District Attorney Lisa Riniker, with 1st Degree Sexual Assault because while playing doctor with a 5
    year-old girl and her 5 year-old brother, he (D) allegedly inserted his finger into her anal cavity.

    Ok, so they were talking about "D's" trip to the procto and was asked to demonstrate what the doctor did during the exam. Conjecture here, but I didn't in the PDF see anywhere that forceable insertion was initiated. If "D" had been examined by a urololgist and said to the girl, "The doctor touched my pee-pee," and the girl touched "D" on his penis, would the girl be charged with sexual assault? Tulpa?

    (3) The 5 year-old female and her 5 year-old brother are the children of a significant political figure in Grant County. The 5 year-old children's mother, who is the wife of the aforementioned political figure, is described by Defendant Kopp as having witnessed the act. See Wisconsin State case no. 2010JV000068.

    Ok, she walks in on the kids playing "doctor", sees "D" playing around with the girl's tush, and freaks out. Understandable, but looking over the other case, I'm still not seeing anything that rises to the level of sexual assault, with malice or otherwise. Yes, Tulpa, age does matter in this context and mens rea appears non-existant.

    (4) The brother (not named because of his age) engaged in an act upon "D's" body; however, he was not charged as was D.

    This is crucial: This is the girl's brother and can be inferred that the brother was also demonstrating a DRE on "D". Why wasn't he charged with a crime?

    1 This Facts section is a condensed version of facts for reasons which include that some of the omitted Facts may not be appropriate for a public Complaint but more appropriate to be filed under seal if necessary.

    Not surprising given the sensitive nature of the case involving minors, i.e. children under the age of 7.

    In conclusion, and sorry to say, Ken, but the word "cunt" more than encompasses the scope of this vile woman.

  • Nipplemancer||

    Doc, It gets worse.

    Among the suit's claims is that the boy was selectively accused of a felony for playing doctor with the daughter of a Grant County political figure. It also alleges that the investigations by Kopp and Moravits were haphazard and biased in favor of the girl's father because of his political status and that Riniker did not act reasonably in charging a 6-year-old with first-degree sexual assault.

    Read more: http://lacrossetribune.com/new.....z1eaugRAVL
  • ||

    Yes, Tulpa, age does matter in this context and mens rea appears non-existant.

    Don't drag me into this. The only things I insert anally are peanut-butter covered tampons.

  • ||

    Talk about wrong on several levels.

  • anonymous||

    It's not that all women are cunts, it's just the ones who abuse their power. Is that about right?

    I'd venture to say most of the guys chiming in here view almost any power vested in government as tending towards abuse and tyranny. If that's so, this usage of the word *cunt* differs from a reactionary sexist slur exactly how?

  • Shorter anonymous||

    "I play silly, dishonest word games, in order to derp."

  • ||

    Unlike for me, there's no age limit on who the state can screw.

  • ||

    This is for Ken Schultz. Have a nice day, you fucking cunt.

  • ||

    D.A. Riniker pulled a stunt,
    By charging a seven year old runt.
    For playing butt doc,
    without using his cock.
    Yes, Ken. This woman's a cunt.

    My work? Yeah, it's done.

  • Art Vandelay||

    This should be immortalized. In bronze.

  • ||

    Banjos, et al, this seems appropriate given the subject..

  • ||

    You Sugarfreed the link, Groovus.

  • ||

  • ||

    Keep your pepper. I'll take a double dose of sugar.

  • ||

    and that is dedicated to banjos, Lucy Steigerwald, nichole, Dagny T and any other poon chicks who spend time on here.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I dedicate this song to rather and all her multiple personalities.

  • ||

    Ewoks Cant Touch This.

    Stop. Vader Time.

  • Arf?||

    Speaking of Vader.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    See? That is why little girls join the Dark Side.

  • ||

    Bullshit. They joined it to hang around with John Cafferty and the Beaver Brown Band

  • Arf?||

    LMFAO

    spam filter, how I loathe you.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Really?

    By the way, a whole generation of butt doctors were spawned by this.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Really?

    By the way, a whole generation of butt doctors were spawned by this.

  • Arf?||

    I want to punch that cartoon dude in the face.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I want to punch that cartoon dude in the face.

    Who, Tulpa?

  • Arf?||

    Now, now, play nice.

  • ||

    That's a year too old for Billy Idol.

  • Arf?||

    So's this. Yeah. I went there.

  • PantsFan||

  • Arf?||

  • ||

    I'll see your Archies and raise you some Veronicas.

    Quite the Sloopy's Choice, no?

  • ||

    One Veronica is enough for me.

  • ||

    What about the best Veronica ever?

    (...swoon).

  • Arf?||

    You SF'ed the link. (Or is it only a SF if it's completely missing?)

  • ||

    :-( I effed the cunt up.

  • PantsFan||

    At risk of another deletion, here's how to talk like Michael Caine

  • ||

    I'd not heard of that but Steve Coogan is absolutely hilarious. I've listened to the original Knowing Me, Knowing You radio show about 1000 times.

  • Apatheist||

    Man, who put all the sand in Ken's vagina? What a worthless cunt he is. I'll give him this though he's not as big of a cunt as this prosecutor.

  • ||

    Sloopy's Choice:
    1. Stanhd by Lisa Riniker's side as she holds her press conference defending her decision.
    2. Go down on Courtney Love.
    3. Share an apartment with dunphy for six months.

    You have 60 seconds. Go!

  • ||

    I'll take Dunphy for 600, Alex.

  • ||

    I'd feel dirty, but #2. As long as it's this version of her.

  • ||

    jesus dude. are you so childish that you correlate a person's likeability and personality with their ideas?

    seriously. childish
    and trollish. as usual

    you can't address the ideas like an adult so you attack the messenger

    grow up.

  • cynical||

    At least you could probably get an interesting reality show contract out of #3. That's better than getting super-AIDS or being dragged down to Hell.

  • ||

    One Veronica is enough for me.

    sloop, you magnificent bastard! GMTA! I nearly posted that instead! I've seen that performed live. Costello is an excellent live musician.

  • Arf?||

    You know you love it.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I saw Wesley Willis in concert once. It was awesome. He rocked the heyna's ass off.

  • BakedPenguin||

    I love WW Fiasco's version of Girls on Film.

  • ||

    Sloopy's Choice:

    3) That's a dunphy! Fo' Sho'.

    _______________________________

    1) Would require seppeku afterwards.

    2) Would require seppeku beforehand.

  • ||

    Sloopy's Choice

    How long till this gets added to the "wiki called reason?" I've been waiting for a fucking year now.

  • ||

    Well of course she gets around. The Girl Cant Help It

  • Arf?||

    Guilty Pleasure

    *stop judging me!*

  • ||

    It's only because She Can't Help It.

  • ||

    Is Jesus's Playmate a Chrysler by any chance?

  • Arf?||

    Could be. She sure gets around.

  • PantsFan||

    I'm thinking 08 or 09, but that game you mention didn't exist.

  • ||

  • Mensan||

    Is Smokey from Lost actually in the band, or is it just making a cameo in that video?

  • ||

    I still can't believe one of my best Limericks ever went unnoticed.

    Lucy didn't bestow this title upon me for no reason.

  • PantsFan||

    Help: Need to settle an argument.
    Does anyone remember which game Joe Buck called Tony Romo the greatest Dallas QB ever causing Troy Aikman to almost die on live TV?

  • Arf?||

    Would so love to get bombed tonight.

  • Arf?||

    You guys are fun and all, but I sure wish Banjos were here.

  • Arf?||

    Fucking squirrels. And Banjos is here now.

  • ||

    Well if you do and get locked up, put up the sloop-signal and wait for the Jailbreak.

  • Arf?||

    Wouldn't the first time I flirted with disaster.

  • ||

    That sounds like more fun than just plain Flirtin' with The Osmonds.

  • Arf?||

    Kill it with fire!

  • ||

    Even when necessary to kill the Osmonds, it's dangerous to play with fire.

  • ||

    November 23, 2009. Cowboys vs Redskins, IIRC.

  • ||

    I still can't believe one of my best Limericks ever went unnoticed.

    I noticed, sloop. What were you expecting, a barrage of wet panties and nude cartwheels?

    Oops, I should be careful, some unscrupulous DA might consider that some level of felonious assault.

    Give that man a Michael Hartnett Award.

  • ||

    What were you expecting, a barrage of wet panties and nude cartwheels?

    This actually was my response. I just didn't know how to manifest it into the form of a comment.

  • PantsFan||

    the squirrels are randomly placing replies now

  • Arf?||

    Indeed. My past self somehow replied to my future self.

  • ||

    A Hillbilly Thanksgiving

  • ||

    Grrr. I missed! Unthreaded FAIL.

    Reverend, forgive me.

  • ||

    Fuck yeah! Love the Reverend!

  • ||

    I grew up living up the street from his mum.

  • Arf?||

    It's not your fault, it's the squirrels!

  • Mr. FIFY||

    It's Martini Time!

  • ||

    This actually was my response. I just didn't know how to manifest it into the form of a comment.

    I'm fluent in Banjospeak.

  • ||

  • ||

    Man, tonight seems to be all about ass, cunt, and cock.

  • ||

    Man, tonight seems to be all about ass, cunt, and cock.

    Well, there's fuck all else to do.

  • ||

    That was fucking awesome!

  • ||

    This has been stuck in my head for three day now.

  • ||

    Why is it always 80s pop songs that get stuck in my head, seriously, wtf??

  • Arf?||

    They are evil. But not as evil as the Dr. Mario music.

  • PantsFan||

    Beats this

  • ||

    Challenge met.

  • PantsFan||

    Oh no, I'm not getting sucked into this again.

  • ||

    If you lack a cock, Bang Your Head.

  • ||

    Turn down your speakers a notch, but this has not left my head since it was burned into it a couple days ago.

  • Arf?||

    I fucking love music.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    That poor kid is gonna be so fucked, if this isn't turned over, he's gonna wind up BEING an actual sexual criminal.

    Fucking prosecutors. How do they work?

  • ||

    I just bought this on vinyl tonight. Original release, mint condition and signed by Mr. Reid, himself.

    Enjoy the title track.

  • Arf?||

    Play nice or this happens.

  • PantsFan||

    You bastard.

  • Arf?||

    Are you implying something about my mother?

  • PantsFan||

    Your mother was a bit odd, is all.

  • Arf?||

    My mother is a saint!

  • ||

    Can anyone beat Bach on Ukulele played by a hot chick?

  • PantsFan||

    I'd give up Kraft Dinner for a month to see this live again

  • Arf?||

    How about two hot Italians on marimba?

  • ||

  • Arf?||

    Time to relax with a little steel guit.

  • Mr. FIFY||

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Bonus link from the hillbilly version of the B-52s:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  • ||

    Let's see if the squirrels will let me post Chili Peppers this time.

  • Arf?||

  • Arf?||

    Squirrels and spam filters everywhere.

  • PantsFan||

    You kids don't know Grand Funk? The wild shirtless lyrics of Mark Farner? The bong-rattling bass of Mel Schacher? The competent drumwork of Don Brewer? Oh, man!

  • Arf?||

    Don't mess with me. I've got the kung fu grip.

  • ||

    Then let's get down to some Kung Fu Fighting.

  • Arf?||

    I said PLAY NICE.

  • ||

    I never new Mississippi 1870 was so vibrant and gay.

  • Arf?||

    That was just a warning. I have worse. Much worse!

  • ||

    You've gone too far, man. Too. Far.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    See you and raise you this, sloop:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoUOZVTq33Q

  • ||

    I know when I've been bested.

    But this is not one of those times.

  • PantsFan||

    Silver Medal again, sloop
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGultrg7l0I

  • ||

    Silver Medal again, sloop

    Judges, can I get a ruling?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Sorry, sloop, but if you're gonna go, go Kraftwerk:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gChOifUJZMc

  • Mr. FIFY||

  • PantsFan||

    If you go German, then don't go half assed.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qnug5_h6DJQ

    Play on your next birthday.

  • PantsFan||

  • Arf?||

    Oh, like we care!

  • PantsFan||

  • ||

  • ||

    Thats what I like about you, banjos.*

    *Except for all of the lyrics in this song in no way applying to me in any way, shape or form.

  • ||

    This thread is going off the rails.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    I'd like to hear a full version of it this way:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UApNEoF3fZc

  • PantsFan||

    Paul Anka makes everything better.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Someone had to take over that slot after Mel Torme died...

  • Judge Harry T Stone||

    The Velvet Fog died?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    1999. Sad, sad day.

    But at least he got to spread his wings:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6Xt-u6ptWA

  • Arf?||

    This was directed at me, wasn't it?

  • ||

    I always preferred this version.

  • Arf?||

    Somehow I think I already knew that about you.

  • Arf?||

    Somehow I think I already knew that about you.

  • ||

    I'd give up Kraft Dinner for a month to see this live again

    Put down that Timbit!

  • PantsFan||

    you Nutrasweeted that one.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Brick House, Dread Zep style, yo.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFvr6b0OYfs

  • Arf?||

    This almost beats hot ukulele chick.

  • Mr. FIFY||

  • PantsFan||

    I think in 30 years Justin Bieber's eyebrows will rival only those of Eugene Levy.

  • PantsFan||

    Dear Server Squirrels, I have been far nicer here than in the Penn State thread. Please have mercy on me.

  • ||

    you Nutrasweeted that one.

    Sonovabitch! It's bunnies all the way down...

  • PantsFan||

  • ||

    Ooh, a holiday music thread!!!

    Can I play?

  • ||

  • Mr. FIFY||

  • ||

    Nice.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Richard Cheese does Closer:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5m_CdCzKYY

  • Mr. FIFY||

    A tiny snippet of Closer in this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0g_LYOFJ1I

    'round 1:50 in.

  • PantsFan||

    I meant Paul Anka makes everything better

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Sweeeeet.

  • Arf?||

    Please forgive me. None of you have done anything to deserve this, but I just can't help myself.

  • ||

    Die in a fire you asshole. Don't post that repugnant shit on here.

  • ||

    You cunt!

    Can I say that?

  • Arf?||

    Why are you asking me? Consult a lawyer!

  • Ken Shultz||

    "Oh, no! Now look at what you've done, you wretched little guttersnipe! You've gone and ruined libertarianism -- !!!"

  • alienrants||

    We can't have nice things.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    I believe I can say, without qualification, that you absolutely SUCK!

  • ||

  • Mr. FIFY||

    bArf

  • PantsFan||

    Shat's best

  • ||

    That is glorious!

    But I'm just gonna go ahead and win the internet now.

  • ||

    Fuck me.

  • ||

    It would be an honor.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Take it. *ptooey* I spit on the haircuts of your ancestors.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Wait! I may have some suckage here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbtAWHheHAE

  • Arf?||

    You magnificent bastard!

  • PantsFan||

    That's not Nimoy. This is Nimoy.

  • ||

    Fuck me sideways with a pogo stick.

  • ||

    High rated comment:
    "You'll have to excuse Leonard Nimoy for this as he was suffering from a side effect of the Pon Farr."

  • ||

    Jesus Titty-fucking Christ.

  • ||

    Hahahahahahaha, it's Sulu FTW!!!

  • ||

  • Mr. FIFY||

  • Mr. FIFY||

  • Arf?||

    I warned ye! Didn't I warn ye!

  • Mr. FIFY||

    It makes me want to bite my own head off!

  • Arf?||

    Have I been left on my own?

  • ||

    Let's do some Social D.

  • Arf?||

    Soak it up.

  • ||

    This is my favorite song of their's.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    I win:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NON6UeNXWyg

    Tell me THAT doesn't suck.

  • PantsFan||

    Thanksgiving always makes me want to play this

  • Arf?||

    The Ultimate Timesuck™

  • impressive web||

    what the f*** dude he was 6 year old child how can he can be sex offender

  • ||

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Possibly worse than Nimoy AND The Shat, combined:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQmln-WNhvw

    How many internets is that worth?

  • Arf?||

    Just remember, you made me do it.

  • Mr. FIFY||

  • Mr. FIFY||

    She was woman, heard her roar:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmifO2sKT7g

  • PantsFan||

    Are you annoyed yet?

  • Arf?||

  • PermaLurker||

    OMG Mr. FIFY that is going TOOO far! H ave you no humanity left?

  • ||

    Still not as bad as this.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Anyone remember Ann Magnuson?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkClQXMwVg0

  • PantsFan||

    This thread is going to make even less sense after the squirrel purge in the morning.

  • ||

    And knowing the squirrels, they will specifically target the comments that I am replying to so I look crazy.

  • Arf?||

    This thread is the girl you take home and regret.

  • ||

  • Mr. FIFY||

  • Arf?||

    I'm trying to be nice, I really am. You're not making it easy.

  • Mr. FIFY||

  • Arf?||

    A cheap shot I know.

  • Mr. FIFY||

  • PantsFan||

    I hate you. I really really hate you.

  • Arf?||

    Tub thumping? That's the best you can do? Weak.

  • Mr. FIFY||

  • PantsFan||

    No. Schnappi rocks. Schnappi is cool. You cannot hate Schnappi.

  • Arf?||

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Schnappi did not even get me mildly moist, Pants.

    Oh, and Arf? I have ten copies of that Chumbawumba CD. I'll custom-destroy one for you, for a low low price...

  • Mr. FIFY||

  • Arf?||

    Sorry, FIFY, I dropped that one last time Banjos and I barfed all over a thread.

  • PantsFan||

  • ||

    The original.*

    *well, originally recorded

  • ||

    How will I know my old lady will become a crackhead?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Shat, Arf, how's a guy s'poda read every thread?

    Oh, and...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkxAf6RxC-g

  • Arf?||

    First to file, bitches! And...

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Laurel and Hardy did something cool, and they didn't know they did it:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgwuHYSoiAg

    ...'cuz they was dead.

  • ||

    Wow, look what I found over here.

  • PantsFan||

    Damn you guys are going to the old school.

  • Arf?||

    Sticks and stones might break my bones, but Snoopy will never hurt me.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    [insert anything by Nickelback here]

  • Arf?||

    Uncle!

  • ||

    Winnah!

  • Mr. FIFY||

    I'll take my internets now.

  • ||

    **cough** **cough**

  • Mr. FIFY||

  • Arf?||

  • PantsFan||

    Or not.

  • Mr. FIFY||

  • PantsFan||

    Weak Sauce

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Wow! Someone made a more-suck version?

    +42 for you, sir.

  • Arf?||

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Former Keel frontman, after he went cuntry:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad3lyUxosxo

    And here I thought his other career sucked...

  • Mr. FIFY||

  • ||

    I bombed a thread with this once before, don't make me do it again.

  • Arf?||

    Please. That's not scary.

  • PantsFan||

    But I fell asleep before I could trump you.

  • ||

    I want to know what you're thinking posting that song.

  • Arf?||

  • ||

    "We have $100 and need to make a music video, what do we do? Got it! Construction paper!"

  • ||

    Some retards are more equal than others.

  • Mr. FIFY||

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Argh! Me hit comma instead of period! Me suck.

  • ||

  • ||

    Not all 80s pop is created equal.

  • PantsFan||

    Nope. Not at all.

  • Mr. FIFY||

  • PantsFan||

    +1 minute me

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Shit! Missed it by THAT much.

  • Arf?||

    I actually like this one. It's terrible, but still.

  • ||

    A beautiful one.

  • Arf?||

    Pass the brain bleach, please.

  • PantsFan||

    Really? You take that back. That is a great cover. She was handpicked by Sir Paul himself to perform it

  • Arf?||

    To each his own, I guess.

  • Arf?||

    How about this version?

  • PantsFan||

    right. that's awful.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    I'd let Fergie make me some fuckin' breakfast, but she'd have to keep her yap shut unless it's to ask where I keep the Dave's Insanity Sauce.

  • ||

    OK, everybody. Last post of the night, because Im tired, and I have my last race of the year tomorrow morning (Only a 5k, so no biggie).

    Those of you that don't come on here tomorrow, or the rest of the weekend for that matter, have a wonderful Thanksgiving.

    I don't think we thank each other enough on here for what we do, or try to do, to spread liberty. Keep up the good work, and fight the good fight and hopefully someday the people will listen, cause God knows the dickholes running the country into the ground won't.

    My Thanksgiving wish for all of you:
    Be safe. Stay away from pigs. Enjoy your families. Eat, drink and be merry. Get laid.

  • PantsFan||

    Watch the Grey Cup.
    America One if you don't get TSN.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    I'm eatin' ham tomorrow, so I kinda hafta be around at least part of one pig.

    Same for ya, sloop. Drag thee down not, the bastards.

  • Arf?||

    It is late. Have a good one.

  • ||

    Good night, dear sloopy.

  • ||

    I'm thankful for being nearly undefeated in the Reason FF league, only spoilt by Mike McCarthy yanking A-Rodg in the fourth quarter. Curses!

  • ||

    ah. had to get some gratuitous anti-cop bigotry.

    it's the pigs that keep your ass safe

  • Mr. FIFY||

    If I were a cop, I would have refused to be involved in anything connected to this case... unless it were to put the prosecutor in handcuffs for fucking up that kids' life.

  • ||

    Orders. Just following. Etc. Etc.

  • ||

    I thought he was talking about the four legged variety.

    I don't know about sloopy but in my case Smith & Wesson is keeping my ass safe.

  • ||

    For me, it's Magnum Research and Colt.

    But he can keep talking out of his ass about "keeping us safe." The only interaction I've had with a cop today was when one on a motorcycle blasted his horn at me and my kids as we were crossing a street this morning warming up for our race. Of course, the road was closed to traffic and he was going the wrong way, but whatever.

  • ||

    We have to have a revolver vs. semiauto thread war one of these days. That will be funny.

    Six for sure, baby! Though I just got an SR9c yesterday because Gander had a sale on them.

  • ||

    Disbar this lady now...

    Wisconsin state bar association:
    http://www.wisbar.org/

  • ||

  • Mr. FIFY||

  • Arf?||

    Good night, Banjos.

  • Arf?||

    I think I just won. And you've all left. :(

  • Mr. FIFY||

  • Mr. FIFY||

    I can do this a while longer if necessary... heh.

  • ||

    Once the government has registered all Americans as sex offenders, keeping track will be much easier...

  • Mr. FIFY||

    I'm doin' MY part! Why, I had sex with a woman a few days ago, and we didn't even *try* to make a baby!

    Then, afterwards, we watched a Lisa Lampanelli DVD and ate no-bake oatmeal cookies, which may have been the more immoral acts...

  • ||

    Aw. hell. I couldn't leave without leaving this behind.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    "How can I leave this... behind?"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8yA2iLE15g

  • ||

    You always do have to leave something behind before you call it quitz, don't you.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Wish I didn't hafta work tomorrow, but someone's gotta pour the wine...

    "Good night! Stay pink, soft and oily!" - Crow T. Robot

  • anonymous||

    Sullum finally finds a case of gross injustice involving the registration of sex offenders, and one suspects if he could focus the discussion exclusively on such indisputable wrongs he might be able to repair his credibility enough to change some minds and have a positive influence on public policy. The case is such a brilliant illustration of the libertarian view that government officials can't be trusted to wield power wisely for the common good, one might even hope to win converts to the cause of limited government.

    And then there's the comment thread.

    That's some perverted justice for you.

  • ||

    Jesus Christ, is there a worse generation than the baby boomers? I mean, I am one and I detest us.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    It just hit me... use a snippet from the soundtrack of The Worst Movie Ever Made That Isn't Plan 9 From Outer Space:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmK8h5nt5hA

    Electro remix:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qvm6a2cd6w

  • Mr. FIFY||

  • Jess||

    The parents and the District Attorney that are having this LITTLE BOY prosecuted are disgusting!! They should be ashamed of themselves!

  • Jake||

    What? This is outrageous. Do they know what the consequences are for being labeled a sex offender? This kid's future has already been disadvantaged thanks to a bunch of lunatics who think politics are more important actual life. George Washington was right, politics will be the end of this country.

  • MaximilianKohler||

    I've read about a lot of injustices having to do with sex offender laws, but this one definitely takes the cake...

    As sad as it is that there are laws like this it's even more sad that there are people willing to enforce them.

  • ||

    Isn't this whole thing dumb? People still do think about things, right????

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    If they discussed elephant books during the incident, the kid should get hammered for IP infringement.

  • booga booga liberal||

    IN-DI-GO VAGINA
    THE MOTHER GAIA
    IN-DI-GO VAGINA
    I LOVE PAPAYA

  • ||

    Funny how she thinks a cartoon about little kids playing doctor is worth a 'share' on her facebook page. Oh, the delicious irony. http://www.facebook.com/permal.....1113357323

  • ||

    Don't worry, I screenshotted it as well in case she pulls it.

  • ||

    Reminds me of the guy recently prosecuted for having cartoon porn on his computer. IIRC, it was Simpsons porn, and he was prosecuted under child pornography laws.

    Perhaps this woman needs to be reminded that she just posted child pornography on her facebook page. It is a boy propositioning a very young girl, who happens to be showing her bare ass.

    Perhaps she needs to be reminded by a sheriff's deputy wielding handcuffs. But that's unpossible since she's one of the "Top Men."

  • ||

    Technically he wasn't prosecuted, he plead guilty (which was absolutely insane on his part in view of Ashcroft v Free Spech Coalition).

  • ||

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2011.....-one-sign/

    The writer asks, is the girl with the "It's time for a cultural revolution" sign, the dumbest person in America or is she really advocating that? I vote for the former.

  • Spoonman.||

    She probably thinks that it should be done again "without the excesses" or something.

    Of course she'd be the first to torture the counter-revolutionaries. It's for the people.

  • ||

    Hey, the current president of the European Commission is an ex-Maoist. Maybe she's just planning for the future.

  • ||

    Welcome to America, where 6-year olds can be sex offenders. Un-fucking-believable!

  • ||

    The entire country has gone insane.

  •  ||

    If not hyperbolic.

  • ||

    Dude thats messed up man. I mean like seriously. What a joke.

    www.anon-surfing.tk

  • Joe M||

    I see Sullum slipped in a Wednesday nutpunch before the four day weekend. Well played, sir, well played.

  • Tuppluren||

    Land Of Idiots, formerly known as United States of Idiots. You guys don't need any muslim terrorists as enemies, your laws and lawyers are worse...

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    I would like to move to the paradise in which you obviously live - unless, of course (which God forbid!) it's actually a corrupt country like all others. But that can't be, otherwise you wouldn't be singling out America as uniquely stupid.

  • ||

    it's the pigs that keep your ass safe

    ::giggles::

  • ||

    Good morning and happy Thanksgiving all...even spineless douchebag Ken.

    Wow. So Ken, nor anyone, got around to answering my "serious" questions: 1) Can a 5 year old have the requisite mens rea and 2) if age and mens rea legally irrelvant to prosecuting a perp, what's to stop a DA from prosecuting a breastfeeding infant for sexually assaulting the mother?

    So, for all you "No wonder no one takes libertarians seriously," .... You whine about me being vulgar but then don't answer these legitimate non-histrionic questions. So please, go fuck yourself in the ass with a broom handle slathered in slick Ben Gay santorum.

    Oh, and let me leave these awesome words. They came from the greatest philosopher of the end of the 20th century:

    1. Shit.
    2. Piss.
    3. Fuck.
    4. Cunt.
    5. Cocksucker.
    6. Motherfucker.
    7. Tits.

  •  ||

    You've forfeited any right to be taken seriously.

  • 8.||

    "give me your hump, give me your hump."

  • ||

    Well, nothing, it doesn't really matter what nothing thinks. So go fuck yourself.

  • anarch||

    what's to stop a DA from prosecuting a breastfeeding infant for sexually assaulting the mother?


    Ya mean, like, twenty years ago, or like now?

  • purple||

    Under those standards, I guess I am a sex offender--and I'm a woman.

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    Oh, doctor!

  • Butt Doctor||

    This country has gone to shit. Also, fuck that cuntbag D.A.

  • Butt Doctor||

    This country has gone to shit. Also, fuck that cuntbag D.A.

  • Yeah||

    Men are finally getting their balls back: http://www.scribd.com/doc/3455.....Competence

  • Andy Rooney||

    Ya' ever notice how many libertarians are into anal rape fantasies? Why is that? When I was a boy we caught pollywogs and kept them in a jar. They never grew into frogs. They died, and I always felt bad about that. But we never tortured them by inserting rods coated with slick Ben Gay santorum into their rectums. I guess we were old-fashioned like that.

  • It's shit like this...||

    This is why the entire world fucking hates America... What a fucking joke of a society. I'm so glad your shit is crumbing down around you. The world will be a nice place once you're gone.

  • ||

    Good luck with the Chinese or Russians running things. You dumb asses should thank God every day there is a USA around to run things because none of you can.

  • ||

    He doesn't understand how truly, genuinely lucky to all the stars in the universe his sorry ass is that the United States, even as broken as it currently is, defines the international culture and flow.

    Maybe he wants the reds in charge -- or perhaps he's just the typical anti-American ravager, burning Old Glory in the company of similarly ignorant troglodytes and watching the President of Dumbfuckistan, Mr. Ahmedinejad, on his American, corporate-made iPod Classic.

  • ||

    Just like the 5 year old boy and his family.

    Just like Ryan Fredericks.

    Just like Jose Guerena.

    Just like Duke Lacrosse.

    Just like Jeremy Hill.

    Just like Randy Weaver.

    Just like Waco.

    Just like the half a million Iraqi children who starved.

    Just like Kelly Thomas.

    Some of you guys still jerk off to the flag.

  • ||

    1) I was referring to American society, not governments. Jose Guerena was murdered by a government. Kelly Thomas was murdered by a government. This kid was charged by an agent of a government.

    2) I "jerk off" to the flag, not to any government -- your equating one with the other means you don't know what the flag represents, and that's pretty sad. You're one of those internationalist anarchists, aren't you?

  • ||

    neoconfederate != anarchist

  • ||

    I'm pretty sure Mike's a stern anarchist, from what I've read of him. Did I miss something?

  • ||

    I "jerk off" to the flag, not to any government

    Personally, I like to jerk off to amateur lesbian porn, preferably when it is on live webcam, they are under the age of 24 and they are not really sure what the hell they are doing.

  • ||

    That would be a good flag.

  • ||

    That's pretty kick-ass, but you know what's even better? Make sure it's 3 or more lesbians at once. More action and diversity at once = more fun.

  • ||

    Better than jerking off to the Stars and Bars like you.

  • Joe||

    "You dumb asses should thank God"

    Thank the tooth fairy while you're at it.

    I guess you've got a proven track record of running things successfully... yeeh..

  • Art Vandelay||

    What a fucking joke of a society. I'm so glad your shit is crumbing down around you.

    What a coincidence. I was just thinking the exact same thing only this morning, only about Greece.

  • ||

    Did you know the Greek national motto is "Live Free or Die"?

  • Michael Z. Williamson||

    Really? Germany is going to feed Africa?

  • Amakudari||

    This is why the entire world fucking hates America... What a fucking joke of a society. I'm so glad your shit is crumbing down around you.

    Look around you, retard. If you were to name societies that are crumbing down or, dare I say it, even crumbling down, wouldn't you look around Europe?

  • Melker Lindborg||

    Hahahaha. Only in America!

  • This is one of two things.||

    A "conservative" DA enforcing "progressive" law [this appears to be true] or a "progressive" DA enforcing "conservative" law.

    The New American Police State either way. The government acts with complete impunity.

  • ||

    So since he's a sex offender, does that mean he's not allowed to go within 1000 feet of a school? This might actually be useful for him.

  • ||

    I think we have a threadwinner.

  • ||

    1,000,000,000,000 points.

  • ||

    That settles it. Tulpa wins. Everyone go home.

  • Batboy||

    Children of that age have not yet reached the age of reason. Why is anyone be charged or getting a record for? The case should be dropped, use some common sense.

  • ||

    common sense

    -------------

    No way, Jose! There's lives to be ruined and skulls to be cracked by the power of the state! Screw common sense and decency and base morality, man!

  • ||

    Then, afterwards, we watched a Lisa Lampanelli DVD and ate no-bake oatmeal cookies, which may have been the more immoral acts...

    You...YOU MONSTER!!! Foul, unclean creature!!!

  • ||

    Only in America, the land of the free. Or was it the laughing stock of the world. Can't really remember.

  • ||

    The world is the laughing stock of the world. We're not nearly as bad yet, but we'll probably get there at some point in the near future.

  • ||

    It's not that all women are cunts, it's just the ones who abuse their power. Is that about right?

    The abuse of power is not endemic to gender, your concerned anonymous-ness.

    I'd venture to say most of the guys chiming in here view almost any power vested in government as tending towards abuse and tyranny. If that's so, this usage of the word *cunt* differs from a reactionary sexist slur exactly how?

    Concern troll is concerned. I submit the word "cunt" is devoid of gender connotation WRT to the tyrannical abuse of power and station. How long have you been a sexist?

  • anonymous||

    Devoid of gender connotation? I'd remind you that you came out of a cunt just like all the rest of us, only from what they say about your mother, there's reason to wonder. That would explain a lot.

  • ||

    And in case anybody cares, I know I'm getting old when I can't run a 5k in under 20 minutes.

    21:47 today (which is my slowest time ever), but I'm telling myself it's because I ran with my 11 year old son.

    Next up...Napa Valley Marathon in March. (My first attempt to qualify for Boston 2013)

  • ||

    Maybe it's because I've never been a strong runner, but I'd say 5k in 20 min is still pretty damn good, dude, and I'm in my mid-20's. But then again I smoke like a chimney.. and eat ridiculous amounts of pizza.. and haven't run a 24:00 3-mile in years.

  • ||

    21:47 today (which is my slowest time ever), but I'm telling myself it's because I ran with my 11 year old son.

    Careful what you post, Grandpa; some over-zealous DA may misinterpret that the wrong way, and then, DHS city for you!

  • ||

    "The legislature could have added "it has to actually be a sex crime to qualify as a sex crime", but it did no such thing. Therefore, URNRJWIERWFWJFIFW"

    - Lisa Riniker

  • ||

    "The legislature could have added "running" as a euphemism for child rape, but they didn't. It's my job as a DA to interpret the law when the circumstances are necessary."

  • ||

    "The legislature could have passed legislation making it illegal to tap-dance on Wednesdays, but they did no such thing, so I'll just prosecute mother-fuckers anyway, because I'm a DA.

    Best regards, EWUFHOWEHQUEHQ @ew3or hoewtnowa towowet wr wr wbrw wbr wr

    Lisa qwr wetrhg etert ert Riniker *mental spasm*"

  • Kellic||

    Why the fuck would anyone choose to live in that POS state. Seriously. WI new motto should be: Wisconsin: Not as fucked up as the deep south.

  • ||

    But that might not be true. In fact, NASCAR does better in the deep South, their football and basketball teams are better, and they still horse whip stupid idiots.

  • Kellic||

    PS- How can one be a sex offender when they do not know what sex is? What part of age of consent does this fucking idiot DA not get...oh right...political power rears its fugly head again.

  • ||

    I dunno!

  • SpectreWriter||

    Can we finally admit it now? This country is neurotically obsessed, repressed about all things even remotely sexual. We got issues!

  • Dave||

    Yes. Serious issues. Evident even in the fact that we insult Lisa Riniker by calling her a "cunt" - as if there is something wrong with cunts.

    I respectfully suggest that we come up with new non-sexual words for insults. Perhaps "prosecutor" or "Riniker" would do.

  • Taylor||

    This is seriously screwed up. When I was 6, things like this were things kids just did. And now it's a problem? We've all played "you show me yours, I show you mine" with our friends when we were little. Sometimes we did worse. Lol

  • Henrik||

    This world is officially dead to me. If you'll excuse me, I'm gonna barricade myself in the basement while reading 1984.

  • ||

    I'm occupying Hit & Run.
    Forever, bitches!

  • ||

    Try harder.

  • AIrons||

    This is ridiculous. Would it be better for the children to watch reality TV? Anyone who's taken Psychology 101 recognizes the harm the court is doing these kids. http://www.psychologytoday.com.....ing-doctor

  • ||

    This shouldn't even be a crime. The kids don't even know what sex is.

    Definitely sue the DA for grievously harmful stupidity.

  • otherhmm||

    You'd be surprised what I knew when I was 6... I did very much know what sex was. Not so much romantic love, but sex yes.

  • Slap the Enlightened! ||

  • ||

    I just can't believe what I read.
    Forcing child services on parents and planning to ruin a kid future because he played doctor at 6 ??
    I knew sex offenders law was broken in the U.S. but this is retarded ...

  • ||

    How assinine

  • ||

    Where do people learn this games?

  • jay c||

    I hope the prosecutor is disowned by their family, ostricized by their communty, and blacklisted by their peers.

  • Michael Z. Williamson||

    The prosecutor is a wimp. If he were a man, he'd have called for the death penalty.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    How do you know she *isn't* a man? You just have your word for it that she's female, and how much is her word worth?

  • ||

    Well, maybe there was something wrong with her butt, he was just trying to help. It's probably because he wasn't licensed in the state or somethin.

  • ||

    Kids have been playing doctors and nurses since before there were doctors and nurses. Its just part of growing up

    Which makes me wonder.....what WAS it refered to before the medical profession arose?

    "Hey, wanna go play shaman?" Wait, no, it was probably "Priest".

  • ||

    They need to consult with the new Human Growth and Development the school district has implemented. Is any of this suggested in that Planned Parenthood material?

  • ||

    so, since age doesn't matter, if a 2 weeks baby tries to suck someone's nipples who isn't his mother, he can be charged as a sexual offender when he's 18?

  • Andie||

    Where's the "like" button?

  • suetiggers||

    Too few people realize how insane these sex offender laws are and WHO is actually on the registry. MOST are not dangerous, and especially not to pre-pubescent children. Garrido proves the laws don't work ..18 years people !! But, they're feel good laws that appeal to ignorance& too much of it fueled these laws in the U.S....ripe for unscrupulous politicians, and drama-driven media, esp. Fox. If you care about justice,go to http://ilvoices.com/media/2394.....ffe415.pdf and reform sex offender laws (above site)

  • ||

    I am perplexed beyond words! This grown woman--the DA--should be ashamed of herself. She actually charged a 6 year old child with sexual assault! And she's probably proud of it, too. I'll say this with absolute no reservations or guilt. This is the kind of people who neeeds to get ran over 3 times by a big semi [by accident].

  • Big Cock||

    The Prosecutor should get buttfucked.