Ethiopian Government Slashes Foreign Adoptions

Today the Ethiopian government announced that it is dramatically reducing the number of foreign adoptions it approves each year, ostensibly to improve supervision and ferret out corruption. This is bad news both for waiting parents and for thousands of children who will languish in orphanages for longer than necessary. Ethiopia has an estimated 5 million orphans and homeless children [see addendum], of whom about 4,000 were adopted by foreigners last year. Of those, according to the U.S. State Department, 2,513 now live in the United States. That made Ethiopia the second biggest source (PDF), after China, of foreign children adopted by Americans. But while the number of Chinese children adopted by Americans peaked (PDF) at 7,906 in 2005, falling to 2,591 in 2009 before rebounding to 3,401 last year, the number of Ethiopian children adopted by Americans has been rising steadily since 2000.

This trend has aroused mixed feelings in Ethiopia. When my wife and I adopted our youngest daughter there in 2008, we were instructed not to appear in public with her. Suspicion of Americans and Europeans snatching up Ethiopian children is also reflected in some of the comments below the Voice of America story about the government's decision to precipitously cut foreign adoptions by about 90 percent. An Ethiopian writes:

Finally...this decision is long over due, now the government should encourage child sponsorship which would allow the rest 90% to be cared for in their own country and being raised in orphanages among thier own country men.

An American expresses a similar sentiment:

This is amazing! I think it is a very necessary step in making sure NO more children are trafficked to meet the demands of American and European couples. Enough is enough and this has been going on for far too long already.

Trafficked? It may seem like there's a fine line between buying a child and adopting one after shelling out $20,000 or so in fees and travel expenses. But there are a couple of important distinctions: These children are not property, since becoming their parents entails a host of duties vis-à-vis their care and upbringing, and they cannot legally be adopted unless their biological parents have died or relinquished them. It may well be that some Ethiopian adoptions have involved fraud of one kind or another, which is the official reason for the slowdown. But with so many orphans who need homes, there does not seem to be much incentive for fraud. As for the notion that Ethiopian children are better off in orphanages "among their own countrymen," it is hard to understand how anyone who has visited Ethiopian orphanages can believe that.

Given the numbers involved, foreign adoption is obviously not the solution to the predicament of Ethiopia's orphans, let alone to the poverty in which they live, which can be addressed in the long term only through institutional changes that create the conditions necessary for prosperity. But foreign adoption is a solution for a small but by no means insignificant share of those children, who can live better, happier lives in families who would be delighted to have them if only the government would allow it.

I wrote about the Chinese foreign adoption program in a 2007 Reason article.

Addendum: Both A.P. and Voice of America cite the estimate of 5 million orphans and homeless children in Ethiopia, which the latter attributes to the Ethiopian government. "There are an estimated 5 million orphans in Ethiopia," says an October 2010 press release from UNICEF. "Of these, around 650,000 have been orphaned due to AIDS. According to national statistics, over 2 million orphans live below the poverty line." But note that UNICEF's definition of orphan includes children who have lost one or both parents. It says only 10 percent of African children classified as orphans have lost both parents. If that proportion holds true for Ethiopia, the number of children with no parents there would be more like 500,000.

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  • aeronathan||

    "I think it is a very necessary step in making sure NO more children are trafficked to meet the demands of American and European couples"

    Oh yes, god forbid that people who want to be solid loving parents take a child and bring them someplace where they can grow and flourish in safety. Better that they rot in obscurity in some orphanage where nobody knows they exist much less cares about them....

  • Pun||

    Sarcasm? And they say I'm the lowest form of wit.

  • ||

    Shut the fuck up.

  • Pun||

    Make me.

  • ||

    Mmmmm that bitterness is tasty.

  • ||

    This X 100

  • Honest Libertarian||

    Anyone else look down the girl on the left's shirt?

  • rather||

    Fuck, you're sick and the argument why foreign adoptions are risky for these kids.

    These governments are selling them for cash and the lack of supervision of freaks like yourself is an issue.

    The social service system is screwed up enough for American children in the system.

  • Fluffy||

    Oh, bullshit.

    There is ONE reason and ONE REASON ONLY that restrictions on foreign adoptions come about:

    Because there are worthless scum in the world who are willing to consign children to hellhole orphanages for the sake of national pride.

    That's it.

    Some people who [because they're fucking morons] base a portion of their personal pride on national pride become upset when confronted by the fact that affluent foreigners adopt children and take them out of the country. They would rather see those children rot - or, rather, NOT see them rot, since they can just ignore them.

    There is no other reason. Every other reason offered is a rationalization and a lie.

  • rather||

    You are a typical culturally ignorant American-Your certificate is in the mail

  • Fluffy||

    You are also a lying scumbag, if you dispute for one moment that the reason the Russian government restricted adoption is because it wounded the absurd and misplaced national pride of Russians to see Americans and Europeans adopt out their children.

    And for no. other. reason.

  • rather||

    The Russians are losing their population, and their concern is the declining birth rate.

    Why should the parenting needs of Mr.Sullum be put above the child's right to their culture?

    It is disingenuous to claim the sacred argument 'the child will perish' in an orphanage, while not offering to pay for the child's needs in a family living in their homeland.

    Prospective parents are looking for 'goods', and not the welfare of the child.

    The buyer and the seller are both rationalizing and lying. Regrettably, neither party cares about the child

  • Fluffy||

    It is disingenuous to claim the sacred argument 'the child will perish' in an orphanage, while not offering to pay for the child's needs in a family living in their homeland.

    No. It's not. At all.

    If I'm willing to adopt a child who would otherwise live in an orphanage, it is disingenuous of you to object unless you offer to pay to support the child in a manner equal to what he would enjoy while living with me.

    I'm already putting a benefit to the child on the table. You [or the Russian in our discussion] are the one objecting. If you object to MY plan, YOU get to come up with a better plan. Not me. You.

    Prospective parents are looking for 'goods', and not the welfare of the child.

    Actually, prospective parents are looking to acquire the experience of being a parent in exchange for providing for the welfare of the child. This is a perfectly fair, just, and moral trade, especially considering the fact that it's the trade every last biological parent undertakes with their biological children, too.

    The Russians are losing their population, and their concern is the declining birth rate...Why should the parenting needs of Mr.Sullum be put above the child's right to their culture?

    It's really pretty insipid to talk about a "right to a culture".

    I know that as long as I have political and economic freedom, it really means nothing to me if I speak English or French. Or if I drink beer or wine. Or if I eat pasta or potatoes. All of that nonsense means nothing, because I would probably embrace whatever culture I happened to be raised in. I like speaking and writing English, but if I spoke and wrote French I bet I'd think French was pretty awesome too. "Culture" washes out to zero outside of political and economic liberty considerations, because just about everybody becomes a booster of whatever culture they're in.

  • Vermont Gun Owner||

    I know that as long as I have political and economic freedom, it really means nothing to me if I speak English or French. Or if I drink beer or wine

    You lost me.

  • ||

    I know that as long as I have political and economic freedom, it really means nothing to me if I speak English or French. Or if I drink beer or wine

    You lost me.

    Arbitrary distinctions, how the fuck do they work?

  • rather||

    Let me know how your justifications work out when your kid is sixteen.

    Culture is more than wine, and cheese; it is innately-bound in a a person.

    Buying a book about China, or a doll from Ethiopia is not going to satisfy the need to know one's origin.

  • Paul||

    Buying a book about China, or a doll from Ethiopia is not going to satisfy the need to know one's origin.

    You know who else was utterly obsessed with a person origin?

  • JohnD||

    Fluffy, You do realize you are arguing with a freaking idiot, don't you? I have yet to see comment from Rather that had even a hint of common sense or intelligence in it. The man (or whatever it is) is a buffoon.

  • ||

    This, one is legitimately 'For The Children', rather. Do you realize how callous and idiotic your argument is?
    It's boiling down to 'I'm willing to deny the happiness that a stable, loving family would provide to a child in order to accomodate the nationalistic pride and jealousy of the child's home country'.

  • rather||

    the children? Lol, teh adult: whiny, childless, I need a baby because a dog won't do, let alone a child not 'babyish' enough for our ego, and fuck those kids in foster care that are too damaged for my precious idea of what a family should be.

  • dhex||

    culture is innate?

    where is it?

    i liked this comment:

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    Ethiopia to Cut Foreign Adoptions by Up to 90 Percent

    Peter Heinlein | Addis Ababa March 04, 2011
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    Ethiopia is cutting back by as much as 90 percent the number of inter-country adoptions it will allow, as part of an effort to clean up a system rife with fraud and corruption. Adoption agencies and children’s advocates are concerned the cutbacks will leave many Ethiopian orphans without the last-resort option of an adoptive home abroad.

    Ethiopia’s Ministry of Women’s, Children’s and Youth Affairs has issued a directive saying it will process a maximum of five inter-country adoptions a day, effective March 10. Currently, the ministry is processing up to 50 cases a day, about half of them to the United States.

    A copy of the directive provided to VOA says the reduction of up to 90 percent in cases will allow closer scrutiny of documents used to verify a child’s orphan status.

    Ministry spokesman Abiy Ephrem says the action was taken in response to indications of widespread fraud in the adoption process.

    "What we have seen so far has been some illegal practices. There is an abuse. There are some cases that are illegal. So these directives will pave the way to come up with [safeguards]," said Abiy Ephrem.

    Investigations have turned up evidence of unscrupulous operators in some cases tricking Ethiopian parents to give up their children, then falsifying documents in order claim a part of the large fees involved in inter country adoptions.

    American couples often pay more than $20,000 to adopt an Ethiopian child. Such amounts are an enormous temptation in a country where the average family earns a few hundred dollars a month.

    U.S. State Department statistics show more than 2,500 Ethiopian orphans went to the United States last year. That is more than a ten fold increase over the past few years, making Ethiopia the second most popular destination for Americans seeking to adopt overseas, after China.

    Child protection professionals generally welcomed efforts to clean up the system.

    Some, however, questioned the motive behind the cutback. One adoption agency representative who asked not to be identified called the policy "ridiculous", and said it appears to be in retaliation for recent criticism of the government’s lax oversight of the process.

    Abigail Rupp, head of the consular section at the U.S. Embassy in Addis Ababa says the cutback is likely to result in a drop in adoptions to the United States from last year’s 2,500 to fewer than 500. She says the biggest concern is for the estimated 1,000 children currently in the adoptions pipeline, who may be forced to wait more than a year for their cases to be considered.

    "We share the government’s concerns about the vulnerabilities in the process. But certainly we have concerns about children who would be waiting longer for their adoptions to be final. That would mean they would be in an orphanage or transition home for a longer period of time," she said.

    Rupp said adoption agencies in Ethiopia should take the directive as a cue to be accountable for each case they bring forward, including knowing exactly how children in orphanages came to be there. She said government officials have indicated they may close as many as 45 orphanages as part of the effort to clean up what critics have labeled a “baby business”.

    Ted Chaiban, head of the Addis Ababa office of the U.N. children’s agency UNICEF, called the new rules “an important step” in rooting out irregularities in the system and finding family-based local solutions for what the government estimates are 5 million Ethiopian orphans.

    "What is important is that any child deemed to require care be looked at in terms of a range of options starting from family reunification all the way through inter country adoption. In that respect the work being done by the ministry needs to be strengthened and supported," he said.

    U.S. Embassy officials late Friday indicated they are posting an adoption alert on the State Department’s website addressing the concerns of Americans who will be affected by the Ethiopian government directive. The alert can be seen at www.adoptions.state.gov.

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    04-03-2011 Cindy (USA)

    This is amazing! I think it is a very necessary step in making sure NO more children are trafficked to meet the demands of American and European couples. Enough is enough and this has been going on for far too long already.
    04-03-2011

    Throwing the bathwater out with the baby. Politicians and lawyers making decisions with disregard for the children. Yet again.
    04-03-2011 Sarah (USA)

    "American couples often pay more than $20,000 to adopt an Ethiopian child. " This is GROSSLY inaccurate! The bulk of that amount is spent on professional and travel fees- only $2000-3000 is paid to the Ethiopian government. In fact, about $1000 goes to the US government!
    04-03-2011 Alex (USA)

    Good to root out corruption. Bad to slow down the process so much for children in the pipeline. Sometimes there is no family, so "family reunification" is NOT an option. Thanks, UNICEF, but who will be there when children die from disease & malnourishment? Great to prevent the NEED for adoption, but we are a long way from that world. So, until then, children will pay the price.
    04-03-2011 TP (usa)

    Cindy - did you read the article?! You say "to meet demands of American and European couples." - I think 5 million orphans vastly exceeds the demand of loving families abroad hoping to love and give opportunities to a child. By not means am I soft of human trafficking but I imagine there are other ways of going about this.
    04-03-2011 Kerri (USA)

    I'm glad to see Ethiopia making changes to protect children and families.
    04-03-2011 Mark (USA)

    @Cindy ... There are more then enough legitimate orphans that none need to be trafficked to fulfill any kind of need,,,, There are little children living on their own taking care of their siblings, they deserve a loving parents.
    04-03-2011 lal (ethiopia)

    finally...this decision is long over due, now the government should encourage child sponsorship which would allow the rest 90% to be cared for in their own country and being raised on orphanages among thier own country men. God bless all.
    04-03-2011 Kim (USA)

    Cindy, I wouldn't use the word "amazing" considering there are true orphans in Ethiopia who are desperate and may now be denied a loving family. Additionally, as a waiting parent, I wouldn't characterize myself as someone who is "demanding" an Ethiopian child. I thought I was opening my home and life to a child in this world who was in true need. Not sure what your agenda is.
    04-03-2011 Relieved (USA)

    The claim that "the cutbacks will leave many Ethiopian orphans without the last-resort option of an adoptive home abroad" rings hollow when considering how many of these "orphans" are healthy babies and toddlers relinquished by living parents. How arrogant to assume that the best place for impoverished young children is with strangers living halfway around the world. Hopefully the govt. will work to strengthen family preservation programs and seek out domestic placement alternatives.
    04-03-2011 david henderson (USA)

    UNICEF and Save The Children are ANTI-Adoption groups that work inside governments to close down inter-country adoptions. Everywhere these two groups go, they act like they are FOR the children and end up leaving the majority of them in horribly run government orphanages all the name of "caring for the children." SHAME ON YOU UNICEF! SHAME ON YOU Save the Children"
    05-03-2011 Steve (USA)

    Hey Cindy, Ethiopian children taken to civilized countries win life's lottery...I feel bad for the ones left behind. and Lal, get a reality check. An orphan's life in Ethiopia is a dismal prospect
    05-03-2011 J (USA)

    #'s don't add up...add them! There are 250 work days in a year. Let's say only 200 of them are work days for MOWA. That means that 50 X 200 is 10,000 cases processed. That means that 7,500 cases are for other countries besides the US. That doesn't add up: If 1/2 of the cases that are processed are for the US that would mean 5,000 were processed for the US...but, wait...only 2,500 adoptions were for the US in 2010.
    05-03-2011 Autumn Beck (USA)

    This is so very heartbreaking for the hundreds of families waiting for their children. I am stunned.
    05-03-2011 Michael (USA)

    Every country should be encouraged to care for and find permanent homes for their own children, but not all are capable. Our family sponsors five children in Ethiopia now, but we have adopted two who are home with us. Encouraging child sponsorship will not address the need for childcare, never address the need for children to be in a loving family environment and sustained economic development is decades away for Ethiopia.
    05-03-2011 JLS (USA)

    I believe the "demand" to which the article refers is for healthy infants. @Sarah, you quoted the article, but misunderstood the quote. American families DO often pay more than $20k in total for the adoption. Most of the fees go to the American adoption agency which may promise money or work to Ethiopian families in exchange for their children. To some of those agencies, the money is all-important and that's where the corruption begins.
    05-03-2011 JH (USA)

    Oh please. Never mind that millions of Ethiopian parents have been killed by HIV and the lucky orphans are being cared for by orphanages. Aren't they so much better off in their own country - NOT. Child sponsorship is not going to re-raise the generation of parents who are gone. Wouldn't you much prefer to be raised by a loving family than on the street by no one?
    05-03-2011 CT (USA)

    Living in an orphanage is not what God intended for his children. I hope this decision will encourage more people in country to adopt and care for the children and also that news articles like these with so many errors will be rooted out. There is very little money that goes to the Ethiopian Gov't in an intl adoption; Praying for holistic programs to address the needs of the people, love/serve the people in the name of Christ, provide small business loans, education and prayer. CT
    05-03-2011 Missy (USA)

    First off, to address the inaccuracies of the article: The original announcement said the slowdown was due to short staffing. Why was this not addressed? 50 adoptions a day would equal at least 12,000 adoptions a year, which is no where near the reality which is closer to 4000. Must be that new math.
    05-03-2011 Chris (USA)

    The agency we are with reunifies 80% families who attempt to relinquish their child, offers medical and social services so families can remain intact when possible. They also operate a medical clinic responsible for saving 1000's of lives each year. The adoption fee I have paid helps fund all these programs as well as the adoption itself. Adoption should always be an option, in Ethiopia and the United States. Adoption saves lives - ask my brother who thanks God he was adopted by my parents.
    05-03-2011 Mimi (Ethiopia)

    I agree by the new policy. Many children and parents are crying today because they are not educated and they are deceived by most adoptive agencies. Example take Angelina Golie child as an example as well I have a friend I know in Ethiopia who gave her child for adoption after she discuss with agency that her child knew her presence, but deceived after her son departure that she notified her signature confirmed that her son has no parents and family.
    05-03-2011 Emy

    So so so sad and frustrating! There are so many children already living and DYING in these orphanages that desperately need families! And now this already horrific number of children is just going to increase. Adoption costs $20,000 whether you are adopting a healthy white infant in the good ole USofA or if you are adopting a child that is WAITING- waiting in an ORPHANAGE in a poverty stricken country!
    05-03-2011 Emy

    We have done our research and brought our sweet 21/2 year old WAITING daughter home 9 months ago from Ethiopia. We thank God we were able to bring her home and give her the CARE she DESPERATELY NEEDED before these crazy delays were put into effect, but what about the MILLIONS of children still waiting? This is certainly NOT for their benefit!!! Our hearts are broken for them!
    05-03-2011 TLB (USA)

    Until you have been to an Ethiopian orphanage and seen the poverty across the country....don't judge. I've been there and seen it all, it is heartbreaking. There are children living in the streets.....there is no reason to traffic children, there are more than enough true orphans.
    05-03-2011

    I absolutely agree that measures should be taken to eliminate fraud in all adoptions (both domestic and intercountry). I disagree that this particular action with MOWA is going to be the most effective way to do that in Ethiopia. I am a waiting parent, but as much as I desire to be a parent, I am willing to wait as long as it takes to ensure that our adoption is not fraudulent. Adoption is a necessary evil in a not-so-perfect world, and it should always be the last resort.
    05-03-2011 Lori (USA)

    I am a parent of an Ethiopian child adopted in 2007 before the large wave of adoptions. Our adoption was ethical. Not everyone was so lucky. The Ethiopian adoption program became successful b/c people wanted to give a home to a child in need. Sadly the success of the program created corruption & overwhelmed the small Ethio gvt agency, the Ministry of Womens Affairs, that approves adoptions. IMHO the slowdown reflects the Ethiopian gvt commitment to an ethical adoption program.
    05-03-2011 Joely (USA)

    Don’t be so ignorant to think if adoptions are closed everything will be better for the children. Family preservation is ideal & I support it IF it is an option, it often isn't so what then? Where do you think the child will best be cared for, an orphanage in their country or a by a loving family in another? Where will they have the best chance of survival? Is it fair to deprive a child of a loving family? What do you think they DESERVE? Ask yourself these questions before you judge so quickly
    05-03-2011 Betsy (USA)

    Well said, Michael- as the parent of a 3 year old boy from Ethiopia, my greatest hope is that, as he grows up, conditions in his home country will facilitate communities being able to take care of their own kids- having seen orphanage conditions 3 years ago, I can tell you that unless things have changed, this is NOT the case today- babies will be neglected and some will die if they remain in orphanages, and this is maddening, and so sad.
    05-03-2011 Postman (USA)

    Until you've walked the streets of Addis and looked into the eyes of a street kid or hung out in a gov. orphanage or stood in a hut with a double widow who's husbands and locals die from drinking the lake water, too poor to feed her own children or stood on the filthy street of Addis where your daugther was born; please don't say another word, for it is spoken out of ignorace
    05-03-2011 des

    As usual the wolves are the one is take the bulk of the money. I met a lady from Florida in the plane I traveled to Ethiopia. She told me her business is to broker between parents and adopters all over the world. She said she has keeping centers, yes that is the word she used, in Assosa, Ethiopia. I was stunned, to her its a meat market, Its inhumane. whenever you hear a hint of moneymaking effort is in full swing, watch out.
    05-03-2011 Lynn (USA)

    The truth is, even with strong family preservation programs and grannies taking in orphaned children there are still 1,000's of children who need a family. It's very sad a few unscrupulous people have created a situation where so many children will have to stay in an instituition longer than should be necessary. Let's pray that Ethiopia is able to correct this problem quickly for the benefit of the children.
    05-03-2011 Alex (USA)

    Heartbroken.
    05-03-2011 Willow (USA)

    How sad! I know something has to be done to clean up the process (I am the mother of two Ethiopian born children) but to do something like this effective immediately is so heartbreaking for the waiting children and families, many who have been waiting for years already.
    05-03-2011 Gail

    as an adoption professional I support MOWA and the courts in Ethiopia. Unfortunately the pendulum will swing too far the other way in trying to clamp down on the process. The demand for adoption programs is driven by prospective adoptive parents that are not satisfied with what is available in our own countries. Think about it.....what if the shoe was on the other foot???
    05-03-2011 justin (USA)

    I think the government was initially naive about many of these adoption agencies from the West. It assumed if they are from the West, they must be well regulated and vouched for in terms of their professionalism and ethics, But they found out the hard way many of them are neither ethical nor professional!
    05-03-2011 justin (USA)

    But I don't think the long term solution is cutting back by 90%. That's is a drastic cutback given the enormous need to find homes for the so many orphans. The real solution is to dramatically increase the capacity of the government body which processes adoptions so they can effectively discharge their duty in processing all adoptions in waiting without undue delay.
    05-03-2011 jwy (Canada, Toronto)

    i agree with government, UNICEF and Save The Children to limit the child adoption network which is a money making organization regardless how they get, with exception of very few individuals who care very much, but rest so diverse in behaviors including sexual preferences who are not fit to adopt a child as far i am concerned ; i talk from what i have seen thousands of families ,couples of gays and lesbians , and households. .jwy
    05-03-2011 Ndg (Usa)

    A child in a loving home is better than being raised in an orpanage ...and I don't care where they were born !! And if you disagree with that than someting is really wrong !! And if you don't want other countries to adopt your babies than stop giving them away or better yet stop getting pregnant !!!!!!
    05-03-2011 Susan (USA)

    Using the UNICEF numbers is a pathetic attempt to derail the real conversation. True orphans are not having their needs met through IA. Instead children are being recruited, Ethiopian families are being lied to. Children who would not be orphans are being made orphans to meet the demands placed by PAP's who feel entitled to another human beings child. What about the children who have been trafficked? Is their pain to be accepted for " the greater good"? I think not.
    05-03-2011 bridget (germany)

    There seem to be inaccuracies in this article. The numbers are incorrect. Obviously changes need to be made in Ethiopian adoptions but wouldn't it make more sense to have a plan of what to do with the children who are in orphanages and living on the street BEFORE making drastic changes?
    05-03-2011 Mira (USA)

    This is what the request for infants/toddlers in the adoption market has created. Agencies began wait lists backed up with hundreds of waiting families. Is this the new form of child welfare? Creating wait lists nener furthered the mission of finding homes for the "5,000,000 orphans" already waiting in orphanages. It simply bred corruption looking for children to fill the demand.
    05-03-2011 Mira (USA)

    Postman - that doesn't mean we are entitled to their children.
    05-03-2011 Stace (USA)

    Our son was 3 1/2 when he came home to us. Our adoption was all legal. We've made contact with birth family... letters/photos back and forth.What is in the best interest of the CHILD? Children who "age out" of the orphanages at the age of 14 are often not equipt with the skills necessary to live a good life.Orphanages will provide medical care and an education,skill. Many who "age out" are left to fend for themselves on the street doing what is necessary for survival.
    05-03-2011 Critical Minds

    It's not only a matter of money, but it also has to do with some Ethiopian children ending up with gay/lesbian couples (the legalization of homosexuality in the West has PARTLY created this huge demand for adoptions). Adoptions are as important (if not more) for prospective parents as they allegedly are for orphans. So, let's stop pretending that it's always in the interest of orphans. There are better ways to help orphans and inter-country adoption is not one of them."

    gay parents are a fate worse than dying young

  • dhex||

    oh motherfuck me i only meant to quote this:

    "It's not only a matter of money, but it also has to do with some Ethiopian children ending up with gay/lesbian couples (the legalization of homosexuality in the West has PARTLY created this huge demand for adoptions). Adoptions are as important (if not more) for prospective parents as they allegedly are for orphans. So, let's stop pretending that it's always in the interest of orphans. There are better ways to help orphans and inter-country adoption is not one of them."

    gay parents are a fate worse than dying young

  • sevo||

    "gay parents are a fate worse than dying young"

    Prove it.

  • ||

    Fucking computers. HDTW?

  • GILMORE||

    dhex|3.10.11 @ 8:35PM|#
    oh motherfuck me

    Mike, I think that offically went Full Retard.

    Welcome to the club.

  • dhex||

    i'm not only the club president, i'm also a member.

    ho ho ho.

    "Prove it."

    ask the commenter, not me. some serious bullshit going on in that thread.

  • Robert||

    No, I think there's probably something to what rather wrote, but not exactly that way. Here's how I see it playing out:

    A: We're broke! Broke, broke, broke! Not a pot to pish in!

    B: At least rich foreigners can adopt the children.

    A: Yeah, but what good does that do us? We're grown up already, and just as needy, but not cute & cuddly.

    B: I know -- we'll hold the children hostage! Nobody gets one unless they bribe us first. They're rich, they can afford it.

  • ||

    on second thought, i shall not respond to u. u r just an ignorant ass

  • Honest Libertarian||

    See? This is what I get for being an honest libertarian.

  • Zeb||

    Holy crap. You don't think that kids get abused in third world orphanages? That's something that only rich Americans do?

  • rather ||

    Zeb, do you think anyone who sells a child gives a fuck what happens to it afterwards?

    Adoptions inside the US involve case studies, and follow-up and shit still happens.

    Those sellers take graft, and walk away.

  • Gregory Smith||

    I love that line from Bruno about a black baby from Africa being the latest fashion accessory.

    But seriously, do we not have enough kids waiting to be adopted right here in America?

    Can we not cut through the adoption red tape here to encourage more adoptions of Americans?

    Can we not ask parents that maybe adopting a teenager or an 8 year old can be just as cool as an Ethiopian baby?

    Rand Paul Fights for Freedom and Tells Uncle Obama to Lay Off the Toilets and Light Bulbs.
    http://libertarians4freedom.bl.....y-off.html

  • Pink Cosmotarian||

    But seriously, do we not have enough kids waiting to be adopted right here in America?

    Oh. A patriot. How droll!

    *sniff!*

  • Gregory Smith||

    Oh, a Citizen of the World, how predictable. Tell me, comrade, why not try to look for work in France without having a work visa and speaking French, I'm sure they will welcome you with open arms.

  • Law Student||

    Why should a child be adopted simply because by random luck they were born here? American orphanages are significantly better than Ethiopian ones.

  • American Orphan||

    We have all the luck!

  • Rod Stewart||

    Some orphans have all the luck
    Some orphans have all the pain
    Some orphans get all the breaks
    Some orphans do nothing but complain

    Alone in a crowd on a bus after work
    And I'm dreaming
    The guy next to me has a Ethiopian baby in his arms
    My arms are empty

    How does it feel when the Ethiopian baby
    Says she loves you
    It seems so unfair when there's orphans everywhere
    But there's none for me

    Some orphans have all the luck
    Some orphans have all the pain
    Some orphans get all the breaks
    Some orphans do nothing but complain

    Someone to take on a walk by the lake
    Lord, let it be an American orphan
    Someone who's shy
    Someone who'll cry at sad movies

    I know I would die if I ever found out
    She was actually Canadian
    An American orphan is just a dream and as real as it seems
    I ain't that lucky

  • Sarcasm||

    Lyrics? And they say I'm the lowest form of wit.

  • ||

    F

  • ||

    Because maybe even American orphans stand a slightly better chance at having a stable, healthy childhood than the kids in a country where social services are non-existent? Nah. can't be that.

  • dhex||

    Can we not ask parents that maybe adopting a teenager or an 8 year old can be just as cool as an Ethiopian baby?

    i don't know if i'm enjoying dondero 2.0 or not. this is a little too po-faced for such satirical material.

  • val||

    "to be cared for in their own country and being raised in orphanages among thier own country men."

    Racist!!

    Wait an Ethiopean wrote that about white people? Nevermind then.

  • ¢||

    Anyone else look down the girl on the left's shirt?

    You trafficked me into it.

  • rather||

    asshole

  • silent v||

    So you have adopted a Chinese girl and an Ethiopian? Are those your girls in the picture?

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    That's nothing. You should see his shoes.

  • ||

    I born and grow up in Ethiopia. And I knew what things looks like for children without parents in Ethiopia. There are thousands kids living on street of Addis Ababa, feeding on stink,dirty Garbage that thrown out.

  • rather||

    Because woman don't have access to abortion-end of story

  • Sarcasm||

    Or internet.

  • ||

    Oh I get it. It would be better for those kids to be aborted than adopted to the U.S. It makes perfect sense now.

  • Fluffy||

    But street kids eating stuff they find by picking through garbage dumps with a stick are experiencing their culture.

  • Sheila Jackson Lee||

    Exactly!

  • Liberal American Tourist||

    But street kids eating stuff they find by picking through garbage dumps with a stick are experiencing their culture.

    I went to India and it felt so... so spiritual!

  • ||

    @fluffy
    @shella
    what do u know about culture, white trash

  • rather ||

    BD, it is better that women have access to birth control, and not have to abort. Perhaps, you think that they should breed babies for American tourists?

  • sevo||

    rather |3.10.11 @ 8:39PM|#
    "BD, it is better that women have access to birth control, and not have to abort."

    Which, as is your norm, is totally irrelevant to the issue.

  • rather ||

    totally irrelevant to the issue

    I guess you still think orphans grow in cabbages?

  • sevo||

    "I guess you still think orphans grow in cabbages?"

    I guess you can't read?

  • rather ||

    I guess you can't REASON

  • rather retarded||

    You called?

  • Robert||

    Oh I get it. It would be better for those kids to be aborted than adopted to the U.S. It makes perfect sense now.


    This is one of those questions that depends on facts that it's not clear we'll ever be able to get -- namely, the nature of pre- and/or post-bodily existence. If you get aborted, do you lose your chance at life, or do you catch the next bus, in the form of another body about to gestate? That is, would you simply wind up as someone else, somewhere, some time? Or not? Hard to get evidence on literally vital questions like this, yet the answers would seem to have the most profound effects on our decisions.

  • Paul||

    Finally...this decision is long over due, now the government should encourage child sponsorship which would allow the rest 90% to be cared for in their own country and being raised in orphanages among thier own country men.

    So Ethiopians aspire to be an aid-based economy? Shoot for the stars, that's what I always say.

  • rather ||

    There is a movement to use a fostering system in impoverished countries, and it offers the child a home life over the cruelty of an orphanage.

  • sevo||

    rather |3.10.11 @ 8:43PM|#
    "There is a movement to use a fostering system in impoverished countries, and it offers the child a home life over the cruelty of an orphanage"

    Yeah, you sleazebag, there's one that hopes to give them all a unicorn, too!
    Until then, why, they can just starve, right?

  • ||

    Rather is fucking cunt idiot. "Prospective parents are looking for 'goods', and not the welfare of the child." My 5 yo from China is the most precious thing in my life and I would die for her - unlike the fucking Chinese who wouldn't give a shit what happened to her and she would not not even be an "official" person. Fuck you, cunt. How and why my family came to be are none of your FUCKING business.

  • rather ||

    Good luck to your little girl whose daddy calls females a fucking cunt because he disagrees with them.

    I'm happy you love your daughter but you don't love her enough to respect all women.

    The irony of going from the frying pan to the fire!

  • I Heart Capitalisms||

    She's lucky to have a dad who tells fucking cunts what they are for villifying his decision to become her father. When she's old enough, I'm sure she'll happily call people like you fucking cunts as well.

  • rather ||

    I'm sure she'll happily call people like you fucking cunts as well.

    Sadly, that is a prophetic statement

  • I Heart Capitalisms||

    ... unless they're men, in which case she'll call them fucking assholes.

  • ||

    He doesn't respect all women, it's true.

    He only respects the ones that aren't cunts. Given that you've rather presumptiously told him that he doesn't actually love his five-year-old daughter but rather regards her as a fashion accessory, would not appear to include you.

    If you were male, you'd be a prick and not a cunt. Does that make you feel better?

  • rather ||

    I have no doubt he loves his child but this issue is not about the adoptive parents. It isn't about their needs, nor the fact that they can be a better parent that the impoverished people of her own country. Are we deciding that parenting a child is based on wealth?

    The insinuation is that parents in the US can give more to a child and therefore they are the best option; I know that's not true.

  • rather retarded||

    nor the fact that they can be a better parent that the impoverished people of her own country

    Except that orphans aren't being parented by anyone. That's why they're fucking orphans. The distinction is between parents or no parents, not between foreign and local parents. But I guess that's why I'm rather retarded.
  • rather ||

    I hate you

  • rather retarded||

    I hate me too. Fat fatty not good enough for Daddy!

  • The Ingenious Hidalgo||

    Yeah, but he probably just doesn't respect you because you're an idiot, not because you're a woman. And I'm sure he only called you a fucking cunt because he thinks you're a fucking cunt.

  • sevo||

    rather |3.10.11 @ 8:50PM|#
    "Good luck to your little girl whose daddy calls females a fucking cunt"

    No, shitbag, he called *YOU* a fucking cunt.

  • ||

    It's absurd that single people and those who can't have children are forced to pay tens of thousands of dollars to corrupt 3rd world governments and shysters to adopt a kid. The options are orphanages or a well off family in the US? How is this even a question? Ethiopia will slide further into poverty and despair. Good on Sullum for calling it out for the ridiculous sham it is.

  • Robert||

    I hadn't realized (or forgot) you'd adopted again, Jacob. Mazel tov!

  • I Heart Capitalisms||

    The only remotely positive thing about this is that it reminds us that the West is full of middle class idiots who think that 'authentic' culture is more important than escaping crushing poverty and awful governance. Have they considered how offensive this attitude is to the millions of people who have emigrated to the West?

  • ||

    The Onion pretty much gutted these people with this one:

    http://www.theonion.com/articl.....ich,11539/

  • I Heart Capitalisms||

    That Nigerian is a victim of Western cultural imperialism. He'd be enjoying his life if we hadn't infected him with our capitalistic ideas about 'clean water' and 'getting to live past the age of 30'.

  • Ben Yeshua||

    5,000,000 orphans and homeless children? I think the numbers are exaggerated (please indiacted your source). Even if they weren't - and if you see what we see here in Ethiopia, the government shoudl have acted long time ago. And they did the right thing by slowing down. Just come and see how the adoption agency 'owners' make a living out of the whole process. It's a full fledged 'business'. And it's said that the adopting parents are told by the agencies that nobody will come later saying that they're parents....and the adopting agencies tell the birth parents (yes, many of them are alive) are told they can see their children later. I know of a foreign couple who adopted a child and they were given a certificate by the agency which shows that the kid had taken all the necessary vaccinations. But it was not so. They bribed the hospital officials and got the paper....and thousand of similar fraud stories....so the government made the right decision

  • rather ||

    Ben, I have heard those stories too often to believe that they are not common in occurrence.

    I think that some well-intentioned people are so desperate to be parents that they'll ignore obvious fraud.

    Their justification is that the child's quality of life will be superior in America, the child will be educated, and loved but ultimately their goal is to parent, and not consider the rights of others

  • rather retarded||

    Gosh darn, I'm rather retarded.

  • chaussures puma||

    so cute girls

  • ||

    it is near trafficking b/c the western parents are given children who got parents to take care of them but give them to adoption for money and hope of better future, and offcourse some are stolen from rural areas. respect the gov't decision and back off. this is a sovereign nation, never colonized, u cant impose ur will

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