The Absolute Latest on the War Between Public & Private Sector Workers or, The Next Time Someone Tells You Educators Don't Make Enough, Tell Them About This $26 Million Dollar Man

Via Mark Hemingway's Twitter feed and Michael Barone's Examiner blog comes this nauseating tidbit:

Via Tom Elia of the New Editor, here’s a list of the top 100 pensions of Illinois school administrators. The valuations represent the worth of the pension assuming the beneficiary retired at age 56 with a life expectancy of another 29 years. The average value of these pensions is $8.879,257.90. The number one pension goes to Neil C. Codell of Niles Township Community High School District (a suburban area just north of Chicago and just west of the lakefront). Mr. Codell’s salary is $885,327 and his estimated first-year pension is $601,978. The pension is valued at $26,661,604.


You got that? More from the original New Editor piece, which headlines its bit "And you thought California's pensions were out of control?" and notes "The total estimated cost of these pensions is almost $1 billion -- at $887,925,790 -- for 100 people!"

Previous discussions of the massive, growing, and unsustainable differences between public and private sector economics.

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  • ¢||

    Why do these people deserve a bailout again?

    Lifetimes of selfless service to the people. Or, because ha!
    Depends on the audience.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: c,

    Lifetimes of selfless service to the people.

    Can't selfless service be less expensive?

  • AlmightyJB||

  • ||

    How is it stealing?

    Saying hookers for unions is stealing is like saying flour for a baking shop is stealing.

  • ||

    ha!

    Sifl: Precious Roy?

    Precious Roy: Suckers!

  • lunchstealer||

    Neil Codell
    Neil Codell
    Makin' lotsa suckers out of girls and boys!

  • ||

    I live in NW suburb of Chicago. There are a lot of idiots that think throwing $$ at these people equates to a good outcome for "the kids". Then again, there are a lot of (formerly) $1M properties in foreclosure in my area.

    Good luck collecting a**holes. The pension trust is hopelessly underfunded.

  • ||

    They're in "Dick Fuld Mold". Dance til the music stops.

    They'll be left behind.

  • Suki||

    He can buy a lot of . . . whatever retired teachers have to buy that they used to find in desks and lockers.

  • z||

    It's my money and I want it now.

  • ||

    I went off on my 59 year old sister who is retiring next year with a hefty Mississippi state pension. She believes the actuaries are correct with their predictions of 6% returns into the future. Goddamn liberals.

  • ||

    You went off on her for retiring? Or for being smart enough to make a lot of money?

    Hopefully she told you to kiss her ass.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: DanT,

    Or for being smart enough to make a lot of money?

    Most tax-consuming leeches are smart immoral enough.

  • ||

    Well, we can't all be saints like the CEOs out there who are making $800k in a month instead of a year.

  • Barfman||

    *barf*

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: DanT,

    Well, we can't all be saints like the CEOs out there who are making $800k in a month instead of a year.

    Exactly - considering the CEO's are given those salaries in a voluntary transaction, wheres tax-consuming parasites are fed with stolen money. Good call there, Dan T.
  • ||

    In old Mexican's defense i can't even get quotes to work incorrectly.

    I have to use italics

  • High School Dropout||

    Last time I checked school budgets were voted on by the public, one of the few appropriations we actually have a say in.

  • ||

    Dear Dumbass

    There is an important distinction - shareholders are the ones that suffer if CEO is overpaid.

  • Ted S.||

    You went off on her for retiring? Or for being smart enough to make a lot of money?

    She's a government worker. She didn't make one red cent; she took it from the productive sector.

  • ||

    Don't hate the player. Hate the game.

    She played by the rules. It's the rubes that bought it that are the fools.

  • Mango Punch||

    They probably are - but only because we'll be getting to 8% inflation before too long.

  • Yonemoto||

    8%??

    You're an optimist =)

  • ||

    Seriously. We're already at 8% using the old CPI formula. Subtracting the costs with the highest rates of inflation fabricates the more conservative figure reported today.

  • Always Look At The Sunny Side ||

    Mr. Codell’s salary is $885,327

    we have to keep pace with private sector community college salaries or we could lose this guy.

  • .||

    Since when are community colleges private sector?

  • Slut Bunwalla||

    Some are, some aren't.

  • Yonemoto||

    Don't worry. After we inflate away these pensions, it will be less of a taxpayer burden.

  • Barf man||

    *barf*

  • Virginia||

    My prediction is the only legislation from Governor Quinn's office related to this horseshit will be a law barring actuarial figures from being made public.

  • ||

    You are well tuned to the mechanisms of government in the Land of Lincoln!

  • Barack Obama||

    What an excellent idea! How do you like the title of "Czar"?

  • ||

    Nicely played

  • ||

    No alt text Nick? For shame.

  • Yonemoto||

    Actually the interesting thing is, if you look at the individuals with the most years of experience, they are getting the least net pension estimate.

  • ||

    Mr. Codell’s salary is $885,327

    That is false. That's his projected salary after 14 years assuming a 7%/year increase. His 2007 salary was $343,345.

    In addition, although this spreadsheet projects liability, it does not account for employee contributions.

    This is a pretty piss-poor analysis.

  • Always Look At The Sunny Side ||

    that's good news. I thought we were close to overpaying this guy.

  • ||

    In addition, although this spreadsheet projects liability, it does not account for employee contributions.

    I see no mention of any. Typically beneficiaries of defined benefit plans do not make contributions.

    This is a pretty piss-poor analysis.

    So is failing to be mortified that a 7% annual increase is not insane.

  • ||

    Typically beneficiaries of defined benefit plans do not make contributions.

    I don't think that's "Typical" at all, but I'm no national expert. The public employee contracts that I'm familiar with all have a funding component for the pension plan.

    So is failing to be mortified that a 7% annual increase is not insane.

    It is insane. It's also not contractually obligated. It's an arbitrary value that's used to inflate the projections to make them scarier. But given today's climate, it's nowhere near realistic.

    Look, there's a lot of ugly numbers on this spreadsheet. But the projections are not done well at all.

  • Invisible Finger||

    It's an arbitrary value that's used to inflate the projections to make them scarier.

    Perhaps.

    Then the question becomes "scarier to what end?" To scare people into coughing up more money in property taxes? Or to scare teachers into voluntarily forfeiting some of their pension money?

    The answer depends on who's providing the statistics. The story was originally reported by the Chicago Sun-Times, and they filed a FOIA request to get the salary history of the listed people and never got the information.

  • Alan Vanneman||

    $343,345 is not too much for a school superintendent. A guaranteed 7% raise for the next 14 years, if that's what it is, is unreasonable. Public employees should retire after 40 years of service, not 34.

    A school superintendent is typically in charge of hundreds of people. If they do a good job, they're helping to educate thousands of kids. On Wall Street there are guys in their early twenties making $500,000, and more, ripping off investors.

    If the public sector should be run like the private sector, why is it necessarily outrageous for a first-rate executive to make more than, I don't know, Nick Gillespie? How about baseball players? They really make a lot of money. Why not get mad at them?

  • Herpes||

    You know, you really are giving the family a bad name, Alan.

  • The Gobbler||

    Shouldn't you be at home working on your next Hardy Boys mystery?

  • ||

    $343,345 is not too much for a school superintendent.

    According to the Chicago Sun Times he oversaw two schools, so yes, $343,345 is too much. Feel free to do some research on his other noble acts of gaming the system too.

  • ||

    If they do a good job, they're helping to educate thousands of kids.

    And if they do a bad job, can they get fired?

  • Thorisin||

    An administrator? Of course they can get fired. As soon as the school board votes them out they are gone. Administrators have no tenure.

    It is incredibly amusing that many people here don’t seem to know the difference between an educator and an administrator. Teachers don’t even come close to making the money that administrators do.

  • Invisible Finger||

    Public employees should retire after 40 years of service, not 34.

    No one should be allowed to be a public employee for more than 10 years.

  • Neil C. Codell||

    All I want is my fair share.

  • Death Panelist||

    If the market in the Illinois public school system will support these salaries/pensions, then who are we to complain?

  • ||

    The politicians got together with their union buddies, took money from taxpayers, and divided it up. No one asked the taxpayers if they wanted to do this, or if they wanted to look for teachers and administrators who would work for less.

    Thus there was no market.

  • ||

    I forgot there were no elections in Illinois. Poor taxpayers, they don't get a say in anything. You'd think they'd all leave.

  • Barfman||

    *barf*

  • ||

    Of course there are elections in Illinois. And there is never any vote fraud there! And taxpayers are always told about these deals with unions so they can consider them at election time.

  • ||

    Speaking of Illinois politics, isn't the Blagojevich trial going on now? If haven't heard a word about it from any news source. Are the media just ignoring it?

  • ||

    Except "the market" (i.e. the taxpayers) can't support that level of salaries and pensions. That's the problem.

  • ||

    Illinois bond ratings were cut. Then they were cut again.

    The markets are complaining.

  • Dr. Peter Venkman||

    Janine, someone with your qualifications would have no trouble finding a top-flight job in either the food service or housekeeping industries.

  • Winston Zeddmore||

    But did you tell 'em about the Twinkee?

  • Ragin Cajun||

    The Twinkie is posting below, trying to defend Codell.

  • ||

    So let me get this straight - two parties freely come to a compensation agreement and this is a problem how?

    Because it's more money than you somehow think they deserve?

  • ||

    So let me get this straight - two parties freely come to a compensation agreement decide to divvy up somebody else's money and this is a problem how?

  • ||

    Somebody else's money? Whose?

  • Flyover Country||

    The taxpayer's money.

  • ||

    are you serious? where does the money to pay public employees come from?

  • ||

    The same place that the authority for government officials to hire people comes from.

    When you say it's the "taxpayer's" money, you're just saying it's the government's money. It no longer belongs to any individual.

  • ||

    and you think it is a good use of the "government's money" to pay some guy $800K to do a job that is worth no more than a $100K in the private sector. If this were a defense contractor making that kind of money you would be having a fit. But since it is a democratic voting teacher you are just fine with it. It is okay to steal as long as they agree with you, right Dan?

  • ||

    It's not stealing. What is being stolen? You're so jealous of this one guy making a lot of money that you can't think straight.

  • A Child Born in 2085||

    "It's not stealing. What is being stolen?"

    My future, asscunt.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: Dan T.

    You're so jealous of this one guy making a lot of money that you can't think straight.

    Oh, and you're not? Read:

    Dan T: Well, we can't all be saints like the CEOs out there who are making $800k in a month instead of a year.

    Are you a perfect being, Dan?

  • ||

    No but he is a perfect douche

  • ||

    Dude, I wouldn't wash your stanky feet with that, much less anything of mine.

  • Ray Pew||

    Here is a perfect example of the differences in perception of reality that people have. To people like DanT, taxation is not theft, since he favors this form of "transaction", yet private sector transactions are often theft, since he perceives such transactions to be created through economic coercion (capitalist man has something that non-capitalist man doesn't, but wants).

    I don't think that anything can bridge this ideological divide.

  • ||

    Taxes are not theft, by definition.

    "Private" transactions sometimes are, sometimes are not.

    It is true that capitalism only works when there are people to be exploited, but this is not theft, necessarily.

  • ||

    7% raises.

    Earned?

    The markets just react to bad deals. It will cost Illinois much more to finance these raises. Those funds will be witheld from taxpayers through increased taxation.

  • Invsiibel Finger||

    Taxes are not theft, by definition.

    Depends on who's doing the defining. If only we could get a disinterested third party to define it for us...

  • Ray Pew||

    Taxes are not theft, by definition.

    Only because of legal mandate, nothing more. Just as slavery wasn't imprisonment and a violation of individual rights, at least while government said it wasn't.

    It is true that capitalism only works when there are people to be exploited, but this is not theft, necessarily.

    Another example of contortion of definitions: "exploitation". There is NO system possible that would not allow for this definition of "exploitation". If you have people work for any good or payment, then you are "exploiting" them. Only in a fantasy world where everything can be instantaneously created with no cost would "exploitation" disappear.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: DanT,

    When you say it's the "taxpayer's" money, you're just saying it's the government's money. It no longer belongs to any individual.

    Of course - just like my money is no longer mine, it's the robber's . . . in DanT's world.

  • ||

    Old Mexican, if you go to the barber shop and get your hair cut, the money you pay the shop is no longer yours...it is their's. You paid them.

  • Old Mexican||

    Re: Dan T.

    Old Mexican, if you go to the barber shop and get your hair cut, the money you pay the shop is no longer yours...it is their's. You paid them.

    Barners do not point guns at one to get my business, Dan T. Governments do. One steals, the other does not. Which one is which, the barber, or the tax-fed parasite?

  • ||

    LOL. So if you got a haircut and refused to pay, you don't think the barber shop would "point guns" at you to get their money?

    BTW, I've never had anybody from the state of Illinois try to collect taxes from me. Because I choose to live elsewhere.

  • Invisible Finger||

    BTW, I've never had anybody from the state of Illinois try to collect taxes from me. Because I choose to live elsewhere.

    Well it's obvious Dan T. had public schooling with air-tight logic like that.

  • Troll Feeder||

    Yep. The nasty ol' barber done exploited that Mexican.

    Who knew that barbers were racists, too?

  • ||

    Yep. The nasty ol' barber done exploited that Mexican.

  • ||

    Don't be his porn.

  • ||

    Dan,

    Poor people are paying property and sales tax so that this guy can make $800 thousand a year. Fuck you. You are a miserable piece of shit hack if you will defend this shit.

  • ||

    Obviously in Dan T's world we owe the British an apology for whining about that whole "taxation without representation" thing - turns out it was the gubmint's money anyway.

  • ||

    Taxation without representation is one thing.

    You selfish children whine about taxation with representation.

  • ||

    But according to you, it's the gubmint's money anyway - why would representation matter? If it belongs to them anyway, we shouldn't have a say.

    Trying to redirect the argument when you've made a fallacious argument isn't going to cut it boy.

  • ||

    We pay taxes to the government, and we also choose who we want to disperse those taxes.

    So in a sense, yes, the money is "ours"...but it is also being spent by "us".

  • ||

    If you put this guy's salary and pension up for a vote in his school district, what percent of voters do you think would be OK with it? 20%, maybe? Just because elected officials made a decision doesn't mean "we" did.

  • Barfman||

    *barf*

  • Tim||

    I'm looking forward to Obama stepping in and seizing teacher union assets until they clean up all of the ignoramuses they've spilled on America's streets.

  • The Gobbler||

    Nice.

  • Tim||

    Meanwhile, in the Land of the Lotus Eaters:

    "Sam Wormer of Middlebury and a man who identified himself as “Doggy” (right) sit outside Burlington City Hall on Wednesday. “It’s not like we have any other place to hang out,” Doggy said of the proposed city ordinance that would have made sitting within six feet of downtown buildings a civil offense."

    http://www.burlingtonfreepress.....ewalk-plan

  • ||

    If the people in Illinois are fine with it, then what do either of us care?

  • ||

    They are not "fine with it" dumb ass. They don't know about it. These deals were done in secret by crooked politicians. If people knew about it, they would be having a fit. By your logic there was no point in complaining about the $100 toilet seats back in the 1980s. It was the government's money and the people re-elected Reagan so they must have been "fine with it".

    Really Dan, you are hitting new levels of stupid here. Is it that hard to condemn someone on your side? Is there any salary a public employee makes that would shock your conscience? Anything a public employee could do that you wouldn't defend?

  • ||

    Interestingly, people do seem to be finding out about shit like this and when they do they get really pissed. There are a few news stories out there to the effect that taxpayers are starting to rebel against the whole public pension issue. My Dad lives in California and he tells me that a few people he knows are catching on to how cops, techers, firefighters, etc have raped the taxpayers on the pension issue, and they are all furious.

  • ||

    So now your argument is that the people of Illinois are too dumb to run their own state?

    If you had proof of corruption, bribes, etc, then it would be up to the people of Illinois to clean their own house.

    I'm not defending anybody except the people of Illinois to make their own decisions about how they compensate public employees. You're the one who seems convinced that you know better.

  • ||

    So now your argument is that the people politicians of Illinois are too dumb crooked to run their own state?

    Why, yes, yes it is.

  • ||

    Again, I forgot that the people of Illinois don't choose their leaders.

    Sorry.

  • PicassoIII||

    No, not really. Nobody i've voted for has ever landed in office.....

  • De Tocqueville||

    Can't say I didn't warn ya'

  • JEP||

    My God, Dan.

    You're allowed to disagree with politicians, even the ones you voted, at any time you want - not just when an election is coming up.

    And sometimes, measures more drastic than voting are needed to purge corruption - things like criminal investigations.

    My dad was a special agent in the FBI and worked on a case in Chicago were a local mob boss was getting kick backs from parking meter fines because he had city officials on the pay roll. It cost the city millions and millions of dollars.

    How do you fix that with an election?

    Also, you're advocating that a democracy should be able to vote itself into a tyranny simply because "that's what the majority of people wanted."

  • ||

    Well, at least they aren't being exploited by the Man.

  • Invisible Finger||

    So now your argument is that the people of Illinois are too dumb to run their own state?

    If they're too stupid to enter into private transactions without someone else looking out for their best interests, then by logical extension they are too stupid to know how to vote in their own best interests.

  • Barfman||

    *Baarrrrrrrfff*

  • ||

    two parties freely come to a compensation agreement

    By not even the lamest stretch of the imagination can the collective bargaining agreements between the various teachers' unions and school districts be considered freely arrived at. You are embarrassing yourself.

  • ||

    Well, at least they aren't being exploited by the Man.

    Oh, crap... have I already used that one?

  • Mayor||

    [to Venkman] Is this true?
    Dr. Peter Venkman: Yes sir, it's true. This man has no dick.

  • ||

    There is a $150,000 limit on federal salaries in the GS system. General freaking Petreus is only making that. Yet, some clown administrator of some Shermer High School in Illinois is making $885K. Even in the private sector you would have to be a senior VP of a major corporation to make that kind of money. These people are literally looting the country. Shame on every liberal who defends them.

  • Virginia||

    I expect that GS ceiling to be lifted in the near future. You know, because of merit.

  • ||

    Let's hope not. The other little rip off that never gets reported is the double retirement. It used to be if you were getting a government retirement, you couldn't work a full pay GS job. Your pay was limited. But after 9-11, they declared an emergency and did away with that limit. Now tons of military retirees are retiring one day and going back to work the next as a GS employee doing the same job in the same office and getting retirement and full GS pay.

  • ||

    How is that a ripoff? They have earned their retirements and if they go back to work, then they are earning a paycheck as well. Retirement money is just deferred compensation.

    Damn, John, do you ever use your noggin?

  • ||

    It is a total rip off. We pay them to work. When they retire, we are paying them for that work they did. They shouldn't be able to double dip by doing the same job for 30 years, get the retirement, and then continue to do the job at full pay. You get retirement because you no longer work for the company, not as a bonus at 20 years service.

  • ||

    So if we're paying them for the work that they did, what's the problem with paying them also for the work they're currently doing?

    I mean, if somebody retires from a position they probably have to hire somebody else to replace them, and that person will get paid as well.

  • Barfman||

    *barf*

  • ||

    Can I count on your support for clawing back on this pay?

    If the voters go for it. You're on board right?

  • ||

    Except you could probably fire every school administrator in the state, cut the salaries in half and the pensions by 3/4, and still get 50 applicants for every position. And the schools would not be any worse.

  • ||

    Don't be his porn, John. He just wants to use you, abuse you, and then wipe on his chest with a tube sock. Don't be his porn.

  • ||

    You are correct.

  • Barfman||

    *barf*

  • ||

    Do you have a newsletter?

  • ||

    I'd like to be exploited by your newsletter. Yes, I would.

  • Invisible Finger||

    Retirement money is just deferred compensation.

    Once again, Dan T. making up new definitions to suit his ideology.

  • Tim||

    I suspect members of congress are already exempt.

  • Congress||

    You bet your sweet bippy we are! Looting Legislating is hard work, and we deserve just compensation!

  • ||

    Of course.

  • NoVAHockey||

    It's even higher for the senior executive service

  • Tim||

    The president of the fvcking US only makes about half that.

  • ||

    The president gets a lot of perks, however. Free use of a big house, an airplane, and the world's top bodyguards probably should count in there.

  • Kenneth Feinberg||

    You're right, I need to cut his salary. Thanks Dan T., I neglected to factor that in!

  • Chinny Chin Chin||

    Yeah, but Obama makes a killing on all his endorsement deals.

  • ||

    From Kool.

  • ||

    Careful there

  • ||

    Who been puttin' they Kools out on my floor?!

  • Warty||

    You people who respond to Dan T as if he were arguing in good faith are just causing yourselves unnecessary rage. Here, let me help you relax with some wonderful prose.

    “Mommy, where to kitties go when they die? To Heaven?” asked six-year-old Janet Yelton.

    Terri Yelton took a slow drag from her cigarette and exhaled. “Doubt it. They just die and they’re gone. Now shut up.” She was trying to watch her soap operas.

    Janet ignored her. “I bet they go to Heaven, at least the nice ones.”

    Terri flicked her cigarette ash in her daughter’s direction. “I said shut up, smart-ass. Why aren’t you outside?”

  • ||

    Kittens do go to heaven Warty. Animals are just in the same state as man was before his fall and knowledge of good and evil. As Milan Kundara says "dogs are our links to paradises". Same goes for kittens.

  • Warty||

    You know where I get this garbage, right John? Look at the author information.

  • Syrup of Ipecac ||

    So Dan T. can be arrested for dispensing medication without a license?

  • The Gobbler||

    I live it!

    Moments later, Janet returned to the living room, this time holding the limp, lifeless body of Precious, Hallie’s pet cat. Its gray fur was matted and had fallen out in patches, and its open eyes, normally yellow, were the color of blood. It appeared to have been dead for several days, even though Terri had shooed it off the couch less than an hour ago.

    “Jesus Christ!” Terri exclaimed, jumping to her feet. “What the hell happened to Precious?”

    “Precious is in Heaven,” the little girl explained as she continued to walk towards her mother with the feline corpse held out in front of her. “She was one of the nice ones, but she got the Pox. The Pox, the Pox, the Pox…”

    “Get that thing away from me!” Terri screamed, backing away towards the front door, her face contorted with fear.

    “Mommy, don’t you want to eat Precious? That’s the only way to get immunity from the Pox. I can eat half of her, and you can eat half, and then we won’t get the Pox.” Janet opened her mouth and clamped her teeth around one of the cat’s hind legs, struggling to tear off a piece of its flesh.

  • Horde_4_Lyfe||

    +1

  • ||

    Warty is persistant if nothing else.

    I find his obsession with me a little strange, though.

  • Tim||

    "You don't come here for the hunting, do you?"

  • Warty||

    “Negative, captain! The third ulogginaucht basin has snapped and I can’t grott the poletination spheres without some sort of virrulaumo retractor!” Faavrogg was in a near panic, a large chunk of sharp yuloplasm embedded in his lower tranjular region.

  • Tim||

    I like the cut of your Jib.

  • Slut Bunwalla||

    I banged my lower tranjular region on a table the other night. Hurt like a bitch.

  • ||

    Go jack off somewhere else, shitbrains.

  • Warty||

    Also, you misspelled "persistent". Idiot.

  • ||

    Is he exploiting you? Perhaps there's a czar for that.

  • Pot ||

    Hello Kettle! Your right, black is a remarkably slimming neutral!

  • ||

    Get your head out of your ass, Dan.

  • ||

    He won't do that. It smells like his mom in there.

  • Dan T.'s Mom||

    I made it out of there in the nick of time! Sit, I have stories..

  • Dr. McCoy||

    "You green blooded son of a bitch!"

  • Spoonman.||

    Pointy-eared inconsiderate brute!

  • ||

    You know, if the Libertarian agenda is ever going to make any headway whatsoever you folks have gotta learn not to get so bent out of shape just because somebody disagrees with your political opinions.

  • ||

    Don't be his porn. He just wants to cum on your face.

  • Tim||

    When "Reason-the musical" hits broadway, "Don't Be His Porn" will be your big show stopping number Shug.

  • ||

    "...Raped-in-the-face!"

    *lights fade*

  • ||

    SugarFree, nobody is listening to you.

    They must like be used and abused a little.

  • ||

    Everyone likes a little exploitation.

  • Tim||

    Meh. All the action's on the Olbermann thread now...

  • ||

    $8.879,257.90

    Is that even a number?

    why is there a dot between the two eights?

  • ||

    New math.

  • ||

    Internet punctuation. It's exempt from all those old rules.

  • Rhywun||

    "So now your argument is that the people of Illinois are too dumb to run their own state?"

    His eyes uncovered!

  • writenow||

    School administrator ≠ educator

    In fact, administrators are one of the biggest obstacles between teachers and the educating kids. Not just because of the obvious reason: the wages & budget that admins consume, but also because administrator's basic job is to enforce political decisions and inject them in to the curriculum.

  • ||

    Do you part. Dissolve your local PTA or PTO. It's a tool created by unions with the full support of your local district administration.

  • Mr. Soul||

    I stopped by to pick up a reason.

  • Invisible Finger||

    If these people can't do something as simple as spend no more than what they earn. why are they allowed anywhere near children?

  • ||

    "So now your argument is that the people of Illinois are too dumb to run their own state?"

    Actually, my argument is that society is too big and too complicated to be "run" by anybody.

    A State that is restricted to its legitimate functions, though, could be run tolerably well.

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    Comment to Dan T:

    Your comments are valid except for one problem: as 99.999% of the actuarial world knows, expected mortality wreaks havoc on defined benefit pension plans-- they are a concept that has been completely invalidated by real life experience. Do any of these plans meet their investment and mortality targets? No...which is why the private sector no longer offers them. The plans are a fiction, the obligations can't be paid and defending them is just an exercise in futility as anyone but the public sector and the collectively bargained sectors know. It is time to move on. True, the top employees of private companies get paid extremely well... until the company goes bk.

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    I don't mind the vitriol, but Neil C. Codell doesn't make $885,327, that's a projection if he continued to get 7% annual raises for the next 14 years.

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