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Public Option: Mostly Dead?
So, the most
robust verison of the health care reform public option is
mostly dead:
After debating all morning and well into the afternoon, the Senate Finance Committee voted against an amendment, written by Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) that would have added a public option to the panel's health care reform bill.
The final vote was 8-15 with 5 Democrats--Sens. Kent Conrad (D-ND), Blanche Lincoln (D-AR), Tom Carper (D-DE), Bill Nelson (D-FL), and Chairman Max Baucus (D-MT)--voting with all Republicans to kill the proposal.
But, as Miracle Max points out in The Princess Bride, "It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive."
Next up, Chuck Schumer's more modest public option proposal.
Stay tuned.
Tomcat1066|9.29.09 @ 3:36PM|#
OK, extra points for managing to work The Princess Bride into a discussion about Obamacare. Of course, it's obviously racist, but bonus points anyways! ;)
|9.29.09 @ 3:38PM|#
Good. The longer the intra-democratic squabbling can be drawn out, the more likely the plan will be scrapped entirely. If this can be pushed back past Christmas, Congress goes into election mode for 2010 and they'll start feeling the heat from the tea partiers.
|9.29.09 @ 3:45PM|#
The public option was the least offensive part of the
bill.
Wake me when the mandates are dead.
Rich|9.29.09 @ 3:48PM|#
Sen. Grassley: "Medicare is part of the 'social fabric of
America.'"
Would someone *kindly* explain what this could possibly mean? For
instance, what are all the other parts?
Xeones|9.29.09 @ 3:52PM|#
Rich, the other parts of the fabric include: union labor, paying your taxes on time, baseball, American pie, your mom, Top 40 music, and tremendously obese people on Rascal scooters.
Dello|9.29.09 @ 3:53PM|#
Rich,
"Would someone *kindly* explain what this could possibly mean? For
instance, what are all the other parts?"
Duh! Motherhood, baseball, and apple pie; you fucking
Communist!
EscapedWestOfTheBigMuddy|9.29.09 @ 4:05PM|#
Goldfinger had a better version: "No, mister Bond, I expect you to die!". But then he pussed out on it.
Oz|9.29.09 @ 4:06PM|#
I just don't get it. If the reason for a public option is to keep insurers honest, why hasn't some liberal saint started his own insurance company that isn't so greedy?
|9.29.09 @ 4:07PM|#
Since there is no friggin' way this congress is going to pass positive health care legislation, I'd rather they load up the health care bill with so much shit it dies from an obesity related illness.
|9.29.09 @ 4:08PM|#
why hasn't some liberal saint started his own insurance
company that isn't so greedy?
Then he would be morally violated by his contact with filthy
lucre.
|9.29.09 @ 4:09PM|#
Sen. Grassley: "Medicare is part of the 'social fabric of
America.'"
Would someone *kindly* explain what this could possibly mean? For
instance, what are all the other parts?
I love the "social fabric" phrase, personally. It conjures images
of lots of lines of thread binding everyone tightly into a
proscribed position in society. Where they are forced to serve an
overall scheme or patern, such as a tapestry.
Anyone who uses it is betraying the fact that they implicitly think
people need to be "kept in their place", and used according to some
master plan.
|9.29.09 @ 4:13PM|#
Next up, Chuck Schumer's more modest public
option proposal.
Please tell me it includes eating the children.
Sweeney Todd|9.29.09 @ 4:16PM|#
Rich, the other parts of the fabric include: union labor,
paying your taxes on time, baseball, American pie,
your mom, Top 40 music, and tremendously obese people on Rascal
scooters.
I never heard of American pie. But I like the sound of it.
|9.29.09 @ 4:32PM|#
Next up, Chuck Schumer's more modest public option
proposal.
Sure it will be modest . . . as modest as the girls in
Cathouse.
Meta4|9.29.09 @ 4:33PM|#
"and tremendously obese people on Rascal scooters."
I'm very trim, but I see they have those for people to use at the
supermarket. On the one hand I think, riding around on one of those
in the grocery store would be fun. On the other hand I think, yeah,
but I'd be taking my first "step" towards being a citizen of fatty
land.
Cathouse Tuesday|9.29.09 @ 4:36PM|#
"Sure it will be modest . . . as modest as the girls in
Cathouse."
Stereotype much? How inherently lazy of you, Old Mexican.
|9.29.09 @ 4:40PM|#
Sen. Grassley: "Medicare is part of the 'social fabric of
America.'"
I do not think it means what you think it means.
kinnath|9.29.09 @ 4:48PM|#
Sen. Grassley: "Medicare is part of the 'social fabric of
America.'"
I haven't checked for a while, but I know Iowa for a long time has
had the third highest percentage of senior citizens in the US
(behind the retirement meccas of FLA and AZ).
So even a dyed-in-the-wool conservative like Chuckles has to suck
up to the old people.
|9.29.09 @ 4:51PM|#
I never heard of American pie. But I like the sound of
it.
Get Don McLean's Greatest Hits, it's 6 versions of "American Pie"
and a live take of "Vincent."
I once had a DJ friend claim that the popularity on the radio of
"American Pie" was solely based on the fact it was long enough for
the DJ to go take a leisurely dump.
CAPITAL LETTERS|9.29.09 @ 4:52PM|#
The Schummer ammendment is also dead.
it took a dagger to the heart
|9.29.09 @ 5:19PM|#
Somehow I think it's fitting that Congress is in the Thieves
Forest.
The Senate floor being the Pit of Despair, of course....
The Schummer ammendment is also dead.
it took a dagger to the heart
Shit. I wanted it to be "to the pain."
EscapedWestOfTheBigMuddy|9.29.09 @ 5:23PM|#
Shit. I wanted it to be "to the pain."
Ooh! Ooh! Ooh!
Can I choose who gets to wallow in freakish misery? Please!?!
|9.29.09 @ 5:27PM|#
Can I choose who gets to wallow in freakish misery?
Please!?!
You're looking for the DEA. Down the hall and to the right.
Mike M.|9.29.09 @ 5:27PM|#
Ah, I see that the Senate Finance Committee is paying close attention to the Rasmussen polls. That's very good. Even better, this vote means that even their internal polling must be showing that the democrats are in serious trouble for the midterm elections next year. Outstanding.
|9.29.09 @ 5:34PM|#
Ooh! Ooh! Ooh!
Can I choose who gets to wallow in freakish misery?
Please!?!
OK, but only if that miserable, vomitous mass, Chuckles, gets to
tag along.
kinnath|9.29.09 @ 6:50PM|#
OK, but only if that miserable, vomitous mass, Chuckles,
gets to tag along.
I've met him a couple of times. He's actually a pretty decent
guy.
Now Tom Harkin, he should be hog-tied and stuffed in a barn where
he can do any more damage.
JB|9.29.09 @ 7:57PM|#
If any Americans want all government, all-the-time, in every
orifice, they have plenty of options to choose from.
Move to some socialist country where you can fist yourself and
shout 'yeah, socialism OBAMA-MY-MAMA!' all day long.
You want to bring that shit here? You are likely to end up with a
rifle butt caving your face in; we will be saving the ammo for real
opponents.
Joel|9.29.09 @ 9:45PM|#
You want to bring that shit here? You are likely to end up
with a rifle butt caving your face in; we will be saving the ammo
for real opponents.
Your way is not very sportsmanlike.
|9.29.09 @ 11:04PM|#
I've met him a couple of times. He's actually a pretty
decent guy.
I had a "Meese is a pig" t-shirt back in college in the 80's.
Didn't care for the guy and thought he was facist swine and would
have done a little dance if he keeled over while delivering a
speech on how porn is turning us all into vicious, killing, raping
monsters.
Fast-forward about 15 years and I'm working with Ed Meese. He's
like a nice grandpa. He was hard to hate.
Fuck.
|9.29.09 @ 11:05PM|#
I want my free-market healthcare back you son of a
bitch!
We had that? Shit! I missed it!
MJ|9.29.09 @ 11:11PM|#
"Can I choose who gets to wallow in freakish misery?
Please!?!"
Obviously that's Waxman.
EscapedWestOfTheBigMuddy|9.29.09 @ 11:55PM|#
I've met him a couple of times. He's actually a pretty decent guy.
I had a "Meese is a pig" t-shirt back in college in the 80's. Didn't care for the guy [...].
Fast-forward about 15 years and I'm working with Ed Meese. He's like a nice grandpa. He was hard to hate.
Fuck.
The 'ole no one's a villain in their own eyes thing.
Often the most effective advocates genuinely believe what they say,
and are really trying to help. It's the bit where people who say
"...if only we could sit down together and really listen
to one another..." have a point.
But they're still annoying pansies. NTTATWWT.
|9.30.09 @ 2:51PM|#
Rockefeller and Schumer YOUR FANTASTIC! :-)
ATTENTION!! Congress Has The Votes Needed To Pass A Public Option -
TODAY http://bit.ly/TCq7O
Why A Strong Public Option Is Essential - By jacksmith - Working
Class
Robert Reich explains the pubic option: http://bit.ly/dDYSJ
http://robertreich.blogspot.com/
Hollywood Supports The Public Option :-) http://bit.ly/3XLwPi
It's not just because more than two thirds of the American people
want a single payer health care system. And if they cant have a
single payer system 77% of all Americans want a strong
government-run public option on day one (86% of democrats, 75% of
independents, and 72% republicans). Basically everyone.
It's not just because according to a new AARP POLL: 86 percent of
seniors want universal healthcare security for All, including 93%
of Democrats, 87% of Independents, and 78% of Republicans. With 79%
of seniors supporting creating a new strong Government-run public
option plan, available immediately. Including 89% of Democrats, 80%
of Independents, and 61% of Republicans, STUNNING!!
It's not just because it will lower cost. Because a strong public
option will dramatically lower cost for everyone. And dramatically
improved the quality of care everyone receives in America and
around the World. Rich, middle class, and poor a like.
It's not just because it will save trillions of dollars and prevent
the needless deaths of millions more of YOU, caused by a rush to
profit by the DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT MEDICAL
INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!
It's not just because every expert in every field, including
economist, and Nobel laureates all agree that free market based
healthcare systems don't work. Never have and never will. The US
has the only truly free market based healthcare system in the
World. And as you all know now, IT IS A DISASTER!
It's not just because providing or denying medically necessary care
for profit motivations is wrong. Because it is WRONG! It's
professionally, ethically, and morally REPUGNANT!, Animalistic,
VILE and EVIL.
THE REASON THE PUBLIC OPTION IS ESSENTIAL:
The public option is ESSENTIAL because over 200 million of you are
trapped in the forest of the wolves. Which is the forest of the
DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL
COMPLEX! With no way out except through needless inhumane
suffering, and DEATH. While the wolves tear at your flesh, and rip
you limb from lib. Then feast on your lifeless bodies like a dead
carcase for transplant parts.
At the most vulnerable times of your lives (when you were sick and
hurting), millions of you have had to fight and loose cruel, but
heroic battles. Fighting against the big guns of the DISGRACEFUL,
GREED DRIVEN, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX! in the
forest of the wolves. All because you have no place else to go. You
have no other CHOICE!
But the PUBLIC OPTION will give you someplace safe to go. And it
will give us someplace safe to take you. The public option will be
your refugium (your refuge). Where the wolves cannot get at you
when your down, hurting, and vulnerable. Where everyone who needs
it can find rest, security, comfort and the care they need.
Protected by the BIG GUNS of We The People Of The United States.
THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE AND COUNTRY ON EARTH.
This is why it is so critical that we do not lead another 50
million vulnerable, uninsured Americans into the forest of the
wolves, without the protections of a Strong Government-run public
option. We The People Of The United States MUST NOT LET THAT HAPPEN
to any more of our fellow Americans. If healthcare reform does not
contain a strong public option on day one. YOU MUST! KILL IT. Or
you will do far more harm than good. And millions more will die
needlessly. Rich, middle class, and poor a like.
To those who would continue to obstruct good and true healthcare
reform for the American people, and who seek to trap millions more
vulnerable Americans in the forest of the wolves. We will continue
to fight you. We are prepared to wage all out war against you, and
will eagerly DESTROY! you. Time...is...UP! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! No
Co-op's! No Triggers! NO INDIVIDUAL MANDATES! without a Strong
public option on day one.
Healthcare reform can be the GREATEST! Accomplishment of our time
and century. A time when future generations may say of us, that we
were all, AMERICAS GREATEST GENERATIONS.
BUT WE MUST ACT!
I therefore call on all my fellow Americans and the peoples of the
World. To join us in this fight so that we may finish becoming the
better America that we aspire to be for everyone.
SPREAD THE WORD!
I have been privileged to be witness as many of you fought, and
struggled to take your first breath, and your last breath on this
earth. Rich, middle class, and poor a like. Life is precious.
Whatever the cost. WE! MUST SUCCEED.
God Bless You My Fellow Human Beings
jacksmith - Working Class
Things You Can Do To Help NOW!
http://www.everydaycitizen.com/2009/09/tired_of_watching_people_die_n.html
No Triggers!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jason-rosenbaum/a-trigger-for-the-public_b_277910.html
Triggers
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/weve-seen-these-triggers_b_283583.html
Krugman on heathcare
(http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/25/why-markets-cant-cure-healthcare/)
Senator Bernie Sanders on healthcare
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSM8t_cLZgk&feature=player_embedded)
John Garamendi on the Public Option and the Grassroots:
http://bit.ly/TJMty
Howard Dean on the Public Option
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SKfW2dUnow&feature=player_embedded
We're Number 37! in quality of health care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4&feature=player_embedded
Twitter search (#welovethenhs #NHS #hc09 #hcr #healthcar #obama #p2
#topprog #) Check it out.
aaron dunn|9.30.09 @ 5:02PM|#
My concern with this health care reform, as an Independent, is that it's all over the place, there are not enough specifics and it must be put into writing and as if "written in stone" so that not every illegal that comes to the US will get free healthcare and those that work hard all their citizen life in US pay for every "Tom, Dick and Harry"
|9.30.09 @ 5:56PM|#
Here is proof of the public "option" being a trojan horse to
create a single payer system. Joey Panto calls advocacy groups and
uses one of his many alter egos to pose as supporters of their
statist causes, and draws out their hidden agendas without much
prompting. Here he gets a prominent universal healthcare advocacy
group's director (I wish he would reveal her name and her
organization) to admit that their hidden agenda is a single payer
system, elimination of fee for service, and public health benefits
for illegal aliens.
http://02e56fa.netsolhost.com/blog1/index.php/2009/09/21/first-post-of-the-new-era-pickle-1-advoc
Gregory White|10.4.09 @ 4:37PM|#
BUSTED! Government Healthcare Advocate Admits Public Option is
Trojan Horse!
http://02e56fa.netsolhost.com/.....le-1-advoc
Gregory White|10.4.09 @ 4:37PM|#
BUSTED! Government Healthcare Advocate Admits Public Option is
Trojan Horse!
http://02e56fa.netsolhost.com/.....le-1-advoc
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