Drug War: Yet Another Failed Conflict The U.S. Must Continue, Says Clinton

The violence in the U.S. from Mexican drug gangs has been grossly overstated, for sure. Now here's another troubling commentary, courtesy of our Secretary of State Hillary Clinton:

"Clearly what we've been doing has not worked," Clinton told reporters on her plane at the start of her two-day trip, saying that U.S. policies on curbing drug use, narcotics shipments and the flow of guns have been ineffective.

"Our insatiable demand for illegal drugs fuels the drug trade," she added. "Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the deaths of police, of soldiers and civilians."

U.S. drug demand is not insatiable; it's relatively stable and predictable. And more to the point (and for the 10,000th time), the violence stems not from the demand itself but from the idiotic and counterproductive war on drugs. Outlaw butter and you'll see the same sort of black market enforced through violence. Outlaw, I don't know, booze and you'll see the same.

Hillary Clinton, like all too many pols, sees only one way to deal with this: More force. Which means more violence.

Clinton's comments came at the start of a U.S. blitz to emphasize support for Mexico's embattled government and improve relations with Latin America. The Obama administration announced Tuesday that it is sending hundreds more agents and extra high-tech gear to the border to intercept weapons and drug proceeds heading south. U.S. border states have become alarmed about a possible spillover of the drug violence, and Congress has held hearings on the drug war.

Clinton vowed to press for swift delivery of equipment promised under the Merida Initiative, a three-year $1.4 billion package of anti-drug assistance to Mexico and Central America. Mexican officials and U.S. lawmakers say there are long lag times for helicopters and other desperately needed gear. In addition, Mexicans complain that Congress has approved only $700 million of the $950 million that the Bush administration requested for the program since it began last year.

Whole story, via Wash Post, here.

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  • ||

    Judge: why do you hit your wife?
    abusive spouse: if my wife would just listen, I wouldn't have to beat her... the violence is really her fault.

  • @||

    Another WIN for the Obamatarians!

    Dumbasses.

  • Xeones||

    Yo, fuck Hillary Clinton.

    @, sup, brah? How's it hangin'?

  • &||

    Where are all the whiny little liberals to defend their messiah on this one?

    HOPE 'N CHANGE!

  • Carston||

    "Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the deaths of police, of soldiers and civilians."

    As always with the statists, its the inanimate objects that are the problem, not the idiots holding them and pulling the trigger.

  • Kyle Jordan||

    I live in New Mexico. I'm terrified beyond belief that all of this violence and mayhem that stems COMPLETELY from the US and it's lack of iron fist like control over EVIL, EVIL guns is going to come here to where I live and threaten the peaceful, wonderful children and all the people who support our amazing Government and our exhalted leader! PLEASE! Innocent blood is on our hands! We must realize and accept that what this country was based on is nothing more than a fantasy and that our leaders know what is best for the World. Oh, the humanity...



    A part of my soul just died writing that so I hope you people are entertained.

  • &||

    Heh, you could be a speechwriter for BO, Kyle.

  • ||

    "Our insatiable demand for illegal drugs fuels the drug trade," she added. "Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the deaths of police, of soldiers and civilians."

    I vote we all chip in an buy Episiarch a shirt with this quote. On the back, it'll say, "Guilty as charged."

    Is it even remotely possible that these drug warriors don't know that it's the "war" that creates virtually all of the violence? They just think that any attempt to end or reduce the "war" will get them in trouble with the public ("But who will stop little Johnny from smoking crack if it's legal?!").

  • &||

    Liberals and "progressives" started the drug war, and liberals keep carrying it on.

  • Kyle Jordan||

    "I vote we all chip in an buy Episiarch a shirt with this quote. On the back, it'll say, "Guilty as charged."

    In all seriousness, that's great idea! Not just for Epi but for a shirt in general.

    And thanks... strange shape I don't recognize posting at 8:31am. It's nice to be recognized.

  • ||

    Hello? Reason's still on cafepress, right?

    Although, PL, I make it a punchy:

    "Our insatiable demand for illegal drugs fuels the drug trade."

    -Hillary Clinton
    (recto)

    Guilty As Charged
    (verso)



    I'll commit to buying one right now. And I'll ship in for Epi's too.

  • ||

    See, Kyle's on board.

  • anarch||

    It's an ampersand that was caught without his gorget.

  • ||

    It's an ampersand that was caught without his gorget.

    Really? It's such dirty talk like this necessary in the morning?

  • ||

    Cartels enabled by illegal trade of black market drugs create large amounts of violence. These cartels also create a huge demand for black market guns.

    Solution?

    Step up restrictions on guns!

    Yay! More ways for the violent cartels to make money!

  • Cabeza De Vaca||

    I should read,

    "Episiarch's insatiable demand for illegal drugs fuels the drug trade."

    Without Epi the GDP of Bolivia would drop by a third.

  • ||

    "Clearly what we've been doing has not worked," Clinton told reporters on her plane at the start of her two-day trip, saying that U.S. policies on curbing drug use, narcotics shipments and the flow of guns have been ineffective.



    So we need to do MORE of what we've been doing all along!

    Change! or politics as usual? You decide.

  • Cabeza De Vaca||

    *It should read*

    Preview is my friend.

  • ||

    Cabeza De Vaca,

    Or maybe, to encompass the entire idea:

    "Episiarch's insatiable demand for illegal drugs is destroying Mexico."

  • anarch||

    SF, lie down with the oxen, get up with the wolves.

    Or something.

  • Politician Reinmoose||

    If we would just allow domestic production of drugs then we wouldn't have to rely on foreign sources. We could create jobs, right here in Amerka, growing weed and opiates. Farmers could grow these cash crops to subsidize their family opperations and we could eliminate most of the farm bill. The extra economic activity and tax revenues generated would be enough to get us out of this crisis! Are you with me!?

    *looks around*
    *crickets*

  • Xeones||

    I'm with you, Senator Moose.

  • Kyle Jordan||

    So, wait, if our "insatiable" appetite for illegal drugs is destroying Mexico, wouldn't that solve the Illegal Immigration problem? Thus strengthening unions here in the US so they don't have to compete with the cheaper, skilled labor?

    The Leader and his administration are looking a gift horse in the mouth.

  • Politician Reinmoose||

    And also, the legal production of it would make it cheap enough so that crack hea... addicted folk can get their fix without having to resort to crime to pay for it.

  • ||

    What do you have against BrownPeople, MooseWacko? Don't you want them to have jobs?

  • Cabeza De Vaca||

    We need to stop the scourge of foreign methamphetamine. It's putting our domestic meth lab workers out of business. They're taking ur joobs.

  • ||

    **sigh**

    The t-shirt idea is awesome. And necessary, because the quotation is fucking depressing if you don't make fun of it.

  • Politician Reinmoose||

    I'm a congressman from central Pennsylvania - there's a quota of "DEY TOOK UR JERBS" that I have to fill each time I speak.

  • ||

    Oh yeah, I almost forgot -

    Props for the photo selection are very much in order.

  • ||

    And also, the legal production of it would make it cheap enough so that crack hea... addicted folk can get their fix without having to resort to crime to pay for it.

    Reinmoose just wants lower priced crack whores.

  • Kyle Jordan||

    Don't go jumping the shark now people. This is a Libertarian site. If Paco y Juana can cook me up some meth that's just as good and cheaper then the one Billy Dan and Lerleen can conjur up, I'm all for it!

  • ||

    Reinmoose just wants lower priced crack whores.

    And were supposed to believe you want to pay more for chicken-heads?

  • ||

    "Episiarch's insatiable demand for illegal drugs is destroying Mexico."

    This is scandalous libel. Episiarch doesn't smoke shitty mexican schwag.

  • Ska||

    Yo, fuck Hillary Clinton.

    Not even with your dick and saying that it was SoyTurd.

  • Politician Reinmoose||

    Reinmoose just wants lower priced crack whores.

    Shows what you know.
    They're called interns - they don't get paid.

  • Frank||

    "Our insatiable demand for illegal drugs fuels the drug trade,"

    Since illegal drug user create the drug market, and the suppliers are killing people, then drug users are responsible for these deaths. If all users obeyed the law and got off drugs these deaths would stop, therefore how about we charge users with murder.

    "Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the deaths of police, of soldiers and civilians."

    Easy to solve, ban sales to non citizens.

  • Xeones||

    Frank, no offense, but you're kind of retarded, aren't ya?

  • BDB||

    Epi does pharms IIRC, so his money doesn't go to Mexico.

    Unless he is ordering online from Mexican pharmacies, which is possible.

  • ||

    Can't we just ban politicians and solve every problem at once?

  • ||

    no offense, but you're kind of retarded, aren't ya?
    just me, or is this another decent tshirt idea?

  • BDB||

    "Easy to solve, ban sales to non citizens."

    Don't we already do this?

    It's amazing how ignorant gun control advocates are of the controls we already have in place. If I had a $1 for everytime I heard "Well we should at least ban machine guns!" Newsflash: we already do!

  • ||

    Maybe Hillary's policy will be to allow Mexico to "satiate" or demand? that would solve the problem. Probably calm everyone down about the truck thing too..

  • ||

    I notice the Mexicans didn't put tariffs on beans, rice, flour or gold tips for cowboy boots.

  • ||

    What is there to say anymore? I mean really? Like Nick said, its been said about 10,000 times. The arguments for the drug war fail on every single level, be it practical or philosophical. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. How stupid does it have to get before people understand that legalization would solve these problems?

    As a side note, I was speaking with my Bill O'Reilly loving ultra republican grandfather a few days ago, and even he says "Duh, legalize it and this shit wont happen". So maybe there is a light at the end of the tunnel, where enough stupidity will eventually change even old people's minds. Or it could be the exception proving the rule. I hope for the former.

  • ||

    As a side note, I was speaking with my Bill O'Reilly loving ultra republican grandfather a few days ago

    Ha - that reminds me of my very own version of the same. Once in the 70's my mother actually got my grandfolks stoned. Granny went on a laughing jag. They never did it again, but he was never in favor of criminalization after that.

  • Kyle Jordan||

    "Can't we just ban politicians and solve every problem at once?"

    If only my friend, if only.

    And I agree on the "No offense, but you're kind of a retard, aren't ya?" shirt idea too.

  • BDB||

    Robbie-

    Really, what is it going to take to get people to realize it's an epic fail though? At this point I think even government officials know it privately but don't in public mouth the Drug War line. Kind of like Soviet government officials in the 80s who knew Communism failed but didn't know how to admit it and parroted the Leninist line in public.

  • ||

    The SoS didn't specify which drug, now did she?

  • ||

    I think I've found the right picture of the SoS to put on the shirt (with the background removed).

  • ||

    The SoS didn't specify which drug, now did she?

    Love is the drug I'm thinking of.

  • ||

    This is scandalous libel. Episiarch doesn't smoke shitty mexican schwag.

    Thank you, domo, for stating the obvious when I wasn't able to be here.

    Look, I'll take complete responsibility for the violence in Mexico, if Hillary will take complete responsibility for violence against women.

    And yeah, I'll take that t-shirt, especially if NutraSweet buys it for me.

  • BakedPenguin||

    The WoD is like bashing your head against a f*cking wall.

    It going to feel so good when they stop.

  • Xeones||

    I notice the Mexicans didn't put tariffs on beans, rice, flour or gold tips for cowboy boots.

    Nor did they patent the idea of putting 47 people in the back of a pickup truck.

  • ||

    Who can design an Episiarch "Insatiable Demand" shirt?

  • ||

    I support drug legalization as much as anyone else, but I'm not quite opposed to supporting the Mexican government in cracking down on the cartels. Even if we legalized drugs today, I surmise the cartels would not disappear tomorrow. They'd still use criminal violence to maintain their market share, and the Mexican government would still have to respond with force. Only by forcibly upholding the law against the cartels would legalization successfully bleed the cartels dry.

  • ||

    I can easily supply a simple word graphic (all cafepress really requires,) but I'd suck at any art to accompany it.

    It took me just a few minutes to get this ready for a T-shirt.

  • ||

    Who can design an Episiarch "Insatiable Demand" shirt?

    Hmm, maybe a picture of a hot chick with a line of blow on her naked ass? That would do nicely.

  • ||

    That seems fair. That should go on the back, I think. Do you have any photos of that nature?

  • Xeones||

    I don't think it needs art, unless Epi wants to submit a picture of himself giving a thumbs-up.

  • ||

    Heir, Epi.

  • Reinmoose||

    Hmm, maybe a picture of a hot chick with a line of blow on her naked ass? That would do nicely.

    Episiarch is Neil Patrick Harris!?

  • ||

    By the way, in googling around for a suitable Epi graphic, I found something that popped up a lot and I'd like to state, for the record...

    I hate you, Britain.

  • ||

    Well, the Obamanauts have been casting around for a hook to hang their gun control proposals on, and now they have it, facts be damned (again).

    So, so pleased that the new M1A showed up earlier this week (with high-capacity mags!). Now to upgrade the stock while I can still get a Fulton Armory SOPMOD (with the evil, evil pistol grip).

    Grinding my teeth over the cost of decent .308 ammo, but like the man says, freedom isn't free.

  • ||

    That seems fair. That should go on the back, I think. Do you have any photos of that nature?

    I do, but she'd kill me if I shared them.

    I don't think it needs art, unless Epi wants to submit a picture of himself giving a thumbs-up.

    Here you go.

  • The Angry Optimist ||

    Hmm, maybe a picture of a hot chick with a line of blow on her naked ass? That would do nicely.

    Sorry, with the economy the way it is, we have to cut costs. I've got...let's see...a fat chick in a thong with crushed-up OxyContin on her ass.

  • Kyle Jordan||

    Congrats RC! I'm thinking of biting the bullet (ha!) and just picking up a DPMS .308 and then having it fixed up over time to something respectable. I fear the rifles I want won't be available in time before another ban and I can't afford anything more right now.

    As to the shirt, what type of lettering do you all think? And if that coke chick pic is a go, I have a graphic design buddy that can draw something up. Anime/Hentai style, Comic Book, Pin-up, stuff like that.

  • creech||

    Frank may be on to something. Users get an automatic death penalty. Users, knowing they face death if caught, will attempt to off any cops that try to arrest them. Cops soon learn it is best to ignore users.

  • ||

    How about this picture?

  • ||

    I've got...let's see...a fat chick in a thong with crushed-up OxyContin on her ass.

    Make it a skinny trailer trash chick instead and you have a deal.

    Episiarch is Neil Patrick Harris!?

    I don't get you, moose. Neil would be doing the blow off of a dude's ass.

  • ||

    We need a War on Guns, so the cops can break down doors and terrorize families who might have lead objects in the house, that could be melted down and recast into illegal bullets.

  • Reinmoose||

    I don't get you, moose. Neil would be doing the blow off of a dude's ass.

    Not in Harold and Kumar he wouldn't

  • The Angry Optimist ||

    Epi - it's a Harold & Kumar reference. NPH comes blazing over a hill top doing coke off of a woman's ass standing in the sunroof.

    Make it a skinny trailer trash chick instead and you have a deal.

    I hereby grant you Fairuza Balk's character in The Waterboy. Don't do anything I wouldn't do.

  • Corvair||

    Frank may not be as far off base as ya think. If we can be charged with drunk driving without actually driving, it doesn't doesn't sound so outrageous to charge users with murder. Heck maybe sentences for drug users would get shorter in Texas.

  • ||

    I suppose I should see the Harold & Kumar stuff.

    I hereby grant you Fairuza Balk's character in The Waterboy. Don't do anything I wouldn't do.

    More than acceptable; shit, that's perfect. And trust me, I would do plenty of stuff you wouldn't do.

  • Reinmoose||

    It's not really a good movie though, Epi. I wasn't compelled to see the new one.

  • ||

    Fairuza Balk should be in more movies.

  • The Angry Optimist ||

    the seminal (ha!) moment of my yearning for trailer trash was her in that character.

  • ||

    I think growing up with trailer trash effectively kills an attractiveness you might find for them later in life.

    And they all smell like mold and Doral cigarettes.

  • Buck O\'Five||

    ...like the man says, freedom isn't free.

    Damn right.

  • ||

    I think growing up with trailer trash effectively kills an attractiveness you might find for them later in life.

    You don't get involved with them, NutraSweet. You merely play with them.

  • The Angry Optimist ||

    yeah, "later in life"? What are you, lavender?

  • Reinmoose||

    I think growing up with trailer trash effectively kills an attractiveness you might find for them later in life.

    Just my two bits

  • ||

    TAO,

    In high school it's inevitable you might punch the tickets of a couple of trashy girls. But age should have you running screaming from ragged teeth and stringy hair.

  • ||

    Ah, shit guys... what's that quote about "even the proletariat can be attractive briefly in their youth?"

  • ||

    How about this picture?

    It would appear there are some creative differences WRT your t-shirt idea, ProL. Hookers n'blow, or HRC n'the Spitz? Decisions, decisions.

  • ||

    In high school it's inevitable

    Or after a divorce. Or when you get trashed. Or on friday night...

  • Reinmoose||

    ragged teeth and stringy hair.

    Don't forget the leathery skin and saggy....eyes.

  • ||

    ragged teeth and stringy hair.

    Don't forget the leathery skin and saggy....eyes.


    jeez people - no one said you had to hump someones granny, the young ones aren't nearly this bad...

  • ||

    and saggy....eyes.

    Seriously. Does anyone have a clue as to what is on the floor that trashy girl's tits seem to always be looking for? Loose change? Cigarettes?

  • ||

    Dagny T.,

    How about a faked-up photo of the Spitz snorting blow off of a skanky chick's ass? An attractive skanky chick, in deference to Episiarch and to sales. I like the idea of the chick being a nun, but that's asking a lot.

    We could make the chick Hillary Clinton, but no amount of photoshopping would make her attractive enough.

  • ||

    Mattthew T.-

    So, how would the cartels maintain their market share under legalization?

  • ||

    Pro Lib and others-

    Honest now, tell me what you thought of Hillary's attractiveness in 1992-1993.

  • ||

    ProL,

    Excellent. Maybe the Spitz giving the thumbs-up during the act?

    The only upside to using the Hilbot is that she'd scare the kids enough that they'd need to use more drugs. And isn't that, after all, the libertarian dream?

  • ||

    "Frank may not be as far off base as ya think. If we can be charged with drunk driving without actually driving, it doesn't doesn't sound so outrageous to charge users with murder."

    It's the war on drugs that cause the violence and murder just as alcohol prohibition did. If anybody should be charged with murder, it should be people like Frank who supports the war on drugs which has caused all the violence and murder.

    How dare the government tell us what we can put in our bodies! Is it our body or does our body belong to the government?

  • The Angry Optimist ||

    LM - she was doable in 1993.

    You guise don't believe me?

    http://www.daylife.com/photo/0g0E5INclf9o9

  • ||

    She was never particularly attractive, but she's aged pretty badly. She looks like she used her Force lightning on someone who reversed the flow on her.

    I thought she was marginally attractive in the 80s and early 90s, but that's not saying much. I mean, compared to Palin or other actually attractive women in politics, she's a joke. Which, in her case, is consistent with the idea of her being a senator or, shudder, a Secretary of State.

  • ||

    "We could make the chick Hillary Clinton, but no amount of photoshopping would make her attractive enough."

    There would be plenty of ass to put the blow on.

  • ||

    "LM - she was doable in 1993."

    If you put on a wig and pretended to be a chick.

  • T||

    Congrats RC! I'm thinking of biting the bullet (ha!) and just picking up a DPMS .308 and then having it fixed up over time to something respectable. I fear the rifles I want won't be available in time before another ban and I can't afford anything more right now.

    I've got 3 stripped .308 lowers in the closet just waited on a collection of back orders to ship, including cases of old german surplus ammo. Woohoo!

  • jtuf||

    Speaking of the durg war, several of the top ranked questions for today's online town hall meeting at the White House ask Obama when he is going to legalize marijuana for recreational use. We'll see if and how he answers those questions.

  • ||

    Liberals and "progressives" started the drug war, and liberals keep carrying it on.

    Yeah Nixon was a real liberal. Well, compared to the holy crusaders Reagan and Bush, I guess he was.

    Trust me, &, Republicans are not your friends on this issue.

  • jtuf||

    Obama just answered the a blogger question about leagalizing marijuana. He brought it up kind of appologetically, explaining that he wanted to address it just because it ranked so high on his website and that he's not sure what the question indicates about the people who logged onto his website. The press corps bursted out laughing at the blogger's suggetion that we legalize recreational marijuana. Obama answered the internet question with, "No, I don't think that is a good way to grow our economy."

  • ||

    so it seems legalization is still not a "serious" point of view.

  • passivatedObserver||

    Obama answered the internet question with, "No, I don't think that is a good way to grow our economy."

    Compared with rewarding failure?

  • jtuf||

    Tony, yeah drug war support is bipartisan. Republicans have their share of blame for it, but they receive more than their fair share of criticism for it. A Democratically controlled congress sent drug war bills to Nixon for signing. Regan and Bush ramped up the drug war, but Clinton doubled the number of marijuana related arrests. Clinton drawfed the Ragan's arrest record. I also read more editorials calling for an end to the drug war in the Wall Street Journal than I find in the New York Times.

  • TDoc||

    Say whatever you like, I'm giving two thumbs up for Hillary on swallowing the American pride and admitting to the world about what they already knew is one of the country's biggest problems. To let down your guard means you're likely to achieve a higher level of collaboration.

    Don't let the problem get out of hand, if it hasn't already.

    See how the media cover snippets of the issue.
    http://www.newsy.com/videos/on_the_border_of_the_drug_war

  • ||

    Pro Lib and TAO-

    I asked because my best friend used to think that she was fairly attractive back then. Obviously, he no longer feels that way.

  • ||

    Hillary Clinton, like all too many pols, sees only one way to deal with this: More force.

    Whatever else I knock Obama for, he did spare us from the threat of a Hillary Clinton presidency, at least for for years and hopefully forever.

    -jcr

  • ||

    Yeah Nixon was a real liberal

    Ending gold convertibility, imposing wage and price controls...

    Not sure if "liberal" applies, but he was certainly a pinko rat bastard.

    -jcr

  • ||

    Even if we legalized drugs today, I surmise the cartels would not disappear tomorrow. They'd still use criminal violence to maintain their market share,

    They'd still exist, but their funding would be drastically cut back. The mob in the USA lost a hell of a lot of money and power when we repealed prohibition. They had to give up the liquor rackets and make their money from prostitution, gambling, and shaking down laborers for union dues.

    -jcr

  • Joel||

    Pro Libertate | March 26, 2009, 9:32am | #
    I think I've found the right picture of the SoS to put on the shirt (with the background removed).


    Pro Lib, you will be receiving the bill for my therapy.

    As soon as it shows some results.

    Don't fret if the envelope is addressed with a crayon.

  • ||

    "Yeah Nixon was a real liberal

    Ending gold convertibility, imposing wage and price controls...

    Not sure if "liberal" applies, but he was certainly a pinko rat bastard."

    He also said "Aren't we all Keynesians now?"

  • Xeones||

    He also said "Aren't we all Keynesians now?"

    Wait, Obama is Nixon?

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