Radley Balko | August 8, 2008

The violent drug raid on Berwyn Heights, Maryland Mayor Cheye Calvo is now making national headlines. Calvo was also on CNN yesterday.
In the raid, police in Prince George's County, Maryland intercepted a package addressed to Calvo's wife that contained about 30 pounds or marijuana. Undercover officers completed the delivery to Calvo's home, then stormed the place in SWAT gear when Calvo brought the package inside. During the raid, the police shot and killed Calvo's two black labs, including one Calvo says was running away to hide. Calvo and his mother-in-law were then handcuffed and questioned at gunpoint while his dead dogs lay nearby in pools of their own blood.
Since the raid last week, we've learned that police have arrested two men in conjunction with a scheme using delivery services to ship marijuana across the country. The plan was for operatives within the companies to intercept the packages before they reached their targets. The destination addresses may have been random, or simply chosen because of their location along routes convenient to the scheme. In fact, the Washington Post reports in the story linked above that some packages were accidentally delivered, at which point operatives went to the houses of the innocent people who'd received them to ask for their return.
Despite all of this, Prince George's County police refuse to apologize for the no-knock raid, for the tactics they used in the raid, or for killing Calvo's dogs.
Prince George's County Police Chief Melvin High said Wednesday that Calvo and his family were "most likely ... innocent victims," but he would not rule out their involvement, and he defended the way the raid was conducted. He and other officials did not apologize for killing the dogs, saying the officers felt threatened.
High told the Washington Post that the raid "was conducted responsibly, given what deputies and officers knew at the time." That's absurd. High doesn't even seem to consider the possibility that perhaps the officers didn't know enough to conduct the raid when they did, and that maybe they should have done a bit more investigating before going all commando on the Calvo family.
Interestingly, the state of Maryland does not issue warrants for no-knock raids. However, police may determine at the scene that a no-knock entry is necessary if one of two conditions are present. The first if the police have reasonable suspicion that the suspect may pose a threat to the officers' safety. The second is if police have reasonable suspicion that the suspect may destroy the evidence.
Though these two "exigent circumstances" exceptions carve gaping holes in the knock-and-announce requirement, it's difficult to see how this situation fit either exception. Prince George's police say they heard Calvo's mother-in-law scream as they approached, which they say made them fear someone inside may grab a gun or dispose of the marijuana.
Both prospects are dubious. If the police had done any surveillance or investigation at all, they'd have realized that this was the home of the local mayor, an unlikely candidate to engage in a suicide shootout with raiding cops. And unless the Calvos own an industrial strength toilet, it's unlikely that he'd have been able to flush 30 pounds of marijuana in the time it takes police to knock and announce themselves.
Moreover, even if seeing the cops approaching did tip off Calvo and his mother-in-law, that's the whole purpose of the knock-and-announce requirement—to give suspects notice that the police are coming, and to allow them the opportunity to consent to a peaceful search and avoid the violence of a forceful police entry.
Still, courts have in the past been loathe to question police officers who find exigent circumstances at the scene of the search. Perhaps the high profile of this raid will lead to more scrutiny.
Finally, I guess I'd just add that the national media coverage of the Berwyn Heights raid seems to be predicated on the assumption that the most troubling aspects of the raid—the killing of the dogs, the violent tactics, the lax investigation, the likely innocent victims, and the police obstinacy after the fact—are unusual. They aren't. The only thing unusual about this raid is that its victim happened to be an elected politician.
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Not even an apology for shooting the dogs?
If they invaded my home and shot my dogs dead and put me in
handcuffs for hours at gunpoint in fear for my life, for a botched
drug raid, I'd at least like an apology. An apology would go a long
way towards fixing the situation, don't you think?
So did the cops realize the recipients were unwitting recipients
or not?
If they knew or suspected the sender's methods, how could they
think the recipients were in on it?
Or an industrial-strength bong with which to smoke 30 lbs of marijuana. Hotbox the whole house.
Must ... resist ... urge ... to ... mail ... marijuana ... to ... young ... blond ... women ...
The police chief's name is High? That's mighty suspicious. So long as they're raiding prominent officials, why not raid this guy's home? No-knock raid, of course.
BAHGASH! AFERNILLY GIBBLE GARF! BIZ QUISKEM FARNITTLE
DUSH!
*head explodes*
*bits of brain go 'splat splat splat' on screen*
The cops in this case are just criminals. What kind of sick sadistic bastard goes and kicks in someone's door and kills their dogs? I know the kind actually, someone in a combat zone. Now in a combat zone, you have leadership to knock Pyle in the head and court martial him if necessary and ensure that he doesn't fuck up but even then crazy shit still happens. Here you have people who have that fucked up kick in the door kill everything that moves mentality but they have no leadership, responsibility or supervision. They are just free to terrorize people. Honestly at this point, I would rather be an Iraqi dealing with an infantry squad coming to my house than an American dealing with a drug team coming to my house. I am not kidding. I don't know what we are going to do to stop it. The only sollution is for a lot of cops to be locked up for a long time because clearly they are not fit to live in a free society. But I have no idea how you get the political will to do that.
unless the Calvos own an industrial strength toilet, it's
unlikely that he'd have been able to flush 30 pounds of marijuana
in the time it takes police to knock and announce
themselves.
You can't be too careful. He might have an aluminum smelter in his
basement which would allow him to burn it all in a matter of
seconds.
You can't be too careful. He might have an aluminum smelter in his basement which would allow him to burn it all in a matter of seconds.
Block party!
If the Barr campaign is smart, they should issue a "war on drugs is insane" press release on this... but will they? who knows...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_George%27s_County_Police_Department
That is the wikipedia entry for PG county police. For anyone who
edits on wikipedia, they might want to add in a paragraph or two
describing the police's mayor mother law terrorizing and dog
killing exploits.
Why, oh why, won't someone really crazy boobytrap their house and get raided? If cops start falling into pits filled with snakes (snakes--why did it have to be snakes?) or moats filled with sharks with frikkin' laser beams on their heads, they might think twice about doing this.
Unless you are just a sick bastard who likes killing dogs, how
do you shoot dog? These dumb motherfuckers must have been hyped up
beyond belief. People can become adreniline junkies. My guess is
that these fuckers go out and get hyped up like it is a combat
situation and see the dog and go "oh my god it is a dog kill
it!@!". It is just a game at this point to see how hyped up you can
get on adreniline when you go on one of these raids.
At that point they are a danger to themselves and the world. It is
a wonder they don't shoot each other more often than they do.
home alone: police state edition
paintcans with "live free or die" stenciled on them...hundreds of
anarcho-syndicalist marbles...
and so forth.
If cops start falling into pits filled with snakes
(snakes--why did it have to be snakes?) or moats filled with sharks
with frikkin' laser beams on their heads, they might think twice
about doing this.
1) Judges that do their fucking job when issuing warrants
2) Surveillance video piped offsite where the pollice can't get to
it without a warrant
3) Re-invigorated castle doctrine and an armed population
Nah, crazier even than Epi's ideas.
"If the Barr campaign is smart, they should issue a "war on
drugs is insane" press release on this... but will they? who
knows..."
If only it were that simple. You could legalize drugs tommorow and
the SWAT teams would be out kicking in doors looking for stolen
cars or child porn. It has become an end in itself. The drug war is
just the excuse.
they might think twice about doing this
Or, you know, just proceed directly to the "Nuke 'em from space"
option.
Apparently the FBI has started an ivestigation.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/08/fbi.opens.probe.ap/index.html
Seems like a good step.
Apparently the FBI has started an ivestigation
Saw that, however, I can't imagine anyone in the Bush Justice
Department stomping on these "well-meaning" cops.
I suppose we could hope that the investigation drags out into an
Obama adminstration.
1) Judges that do their fucking job when issuing warrants.
This is not the judges fault. They clearly had a right to get a
warrent. It was the way they executed it. A better way would be to
change the law and define exegent circumstances down to literally a
hostage situation or a capital murder suspect and ban the use of
SWAT teams in all other searches of homes and require a knock and
at least 1 minute delay before kicking in the door and further make
it illegal for a cop to have a chambered round unless it is a
special exigent circumstances raid. Lastly, make it a criminal
offense to have a chambered round or not wait the full minute
before entering a home absent a exegent circumstances
warrent.
2) Surveillance video piped offsite where the pollice can't get to
it without a warrant.
Good idea but would only make a difference if you changed the law.
Right now it is illegal for them to kick in the door and shoot the
dogs and anything else that moves.
3) Re-invigorated castle doctrine and an armed population
I agree completely.
You could legalize drugs tommorow and the SWAT teams would
be out kicking in doors looking for stolen cars or child porn. It
has become an end in itself. The drug war is just the
excuse.
I think John is right about this. Now that the SWAT teams are in
place, they have to justify their existence, and will fight tooth
and nail to not be disbanded, even if we completely abandon the
WOD. SWAT is for the children, after all.
Yup, once the SWAT raids become "too dangerous" (for the cops of
course they don't care how dangerous it is for the innocent) they
likely will adopt some sort of "I say we take off, nuke the site
from orbit. It's the only way to be sure." policy.
Just blow up the buildings with everyone inside, sort through the
rubble and "find" evidence of massive drug operations justifying
the whole thing . . . every . . . time.
Is the Mayor a Republican? How large, and to whom, have his political contributions been? We must delve deeply into the truly important aspects of this case.
Unless you are just a sick bastard who likes killing dogs,
how do you shoot dog?
Like you said, you're in a SWAT raid situation, and you react. I
imagine that these two dogs acted like dogs as strangers broke into
the house violently - running into the room, barking and growling
at them.
Then, once they homeowners are "taken down," they are not only drug
suspects, but people who "assaulted" the cops by setting their dogs
on them.
This is exactly how I would expect cops to act when conducting a
raid like this.* Like that marine in Haditha - I'd expect a marine
who's told "Clear that house" in the middle of a firefight to crash
in and shoot the place up.
That's why the fine points of raid etiquette isn't the issue here;
the fact that cops are being sent on these raids is the
issue.
*except, you know, the part about not actually having a warrant to
conduct a raid like this.
black labs > black grandmother
Gotta love the media.
Wasn't Kathryn Johnstom a great-grandmother? I mean she was 88 or
92 depending on the report. The MSM (I apologize for using that
tired acronym) needs to do an honest self-examination about
priorities.
Just blow up the buildings with everyone inside, sort
through the rubble and "find" evidence of massive drug operations
justifying the whole thing . . . every . . . time.
Sounds like the Lebanon War.
If people are going to tolerate criminals living in their building
and setting up their illegal operations...
This is not the judges fault.
I disagree, John. The warrant process for these things is at best a
rubber stamp. If that isn't the judges' fault, then the threshold
for evidence required has to be made higher than the word of a
crackhead.
...the fine points of raid etiquette...
Always offer a mint to your arrested suspects!
Be sure you don't shoot the dogs *in the face* for easy
cleanup!
Only break furniture that they were considering getting rid of
anyway!
You are right Joe. The SWAT team has the same hyped up mentality
as the Marine kicking down a door in Iraq. The differenses are that
the Marine is in a situation where the danger justifies being that
hyped up, as opposed to the cop who has invented most of the danger
and hyped himself up because he is an adreniline junkie, and the
Marine actually has some training in dicipline. Only someone in a
combat mindset is going to shoot the dogs. Anyone else is going to
look at the dogs and realize they are not a threat and not shoot
them unless they were going to attack.
I was not kidding above. I would rather take my chances with an
infantry squad coming to my house in Iraq than I would with a SWAT
team coming to my house in the US.
I would rather take my chances with an infantry squad coming
to my house in Iraq than I would with a SWAT team coming to my
house in the US.
I'd be curious on a side-by-side statistical analysis of whose
raids go bad for their targets more often, SWAT cops or infantry
patrols?
Radley, why the last paragraph? One of your two pet issues is
rightfully getting national attention and it seems to me that you
ought to be ingratiating yourself to the press who are covering
this in order to make the wider case about police tactics. This
particular case isn't going to just go away. It's the kind of thing
that would get more traction on Nancy Grace or Gretta or
whatever.
In fact, I went to Greta's blog and posted a request to cover this
story on her latest open thread:
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/08/08/open-thread-302
If enough of us did the same to spark wider interest in this story,
the problem might get the attention it deserves outside our little
echo chamber here.
"I'd be curious on a side-by-side statistical analysis of whose
raids go bad for their targets more often, SWAT cops or infantry
patrols?"
I would to. Now of course you would have to correct for the fact
that the infantry raids are more likly to have targets that shoot
back. What I would like to see is how many raids happen every year
and how many times anyone actually shoots at a cop. These raids are
just not dangerous. Give me a gun and a badge, a warrent and five
buddies with the same and I will walk into any house in this
country. I will just walk up and knock on the door.
it's unlikely that he'd have been able to flush 30 pounds of
marijuana in the time it takes police to knock and announce
themselves.
Just to point out that this was completely irrelevant in this case.
The cops delivered the drugs. There was no need for the
evidence to be recovered and giving them time to try to flush it
would have been much more damning in a trial if they'd tried.
I'd be curious on a side-by-side statistical analysis of
whose raids go bad for their targets more often, SWAT cops or
infantry patrols?
Apples and oranges. Infantry patrols are out there to make sure
things go very, very bad for their targets. SWAT cops are out there
to serve warrants. You know, wartime v. peacetime, that whole
thing.
I've said it before and every one of these raids just amps up my
plans - when we build our new house in a few years, it will be
hardened. Shatterproof film on the windows, steel core doors with
multi-point locks, surveillance cameras (I like the off-site
storage for those babies - I'll put it on the list).
Apples and oranges. Infantry patrols are out there to make
sure things go very, very bad for their targets.
You clearly haven't been paying much attention to Iraq, have
you?
Infantry patrols who are tasked with *looking for terror suspects,
materials, and plans* in people's homes (something fairly analogous
to looking for drugs in people's homes) are not, so far as I know,
ordered to go in guns blazing "to make sure things go very, very
bad for their targets" as you so pithily put it.
Hearts and minds, and all that. The one infantrymen I've had the
privilege to talk to who actually did this sort of thing actually
compared the task directly to a police raid. And spoke of the
delicate nature of relating to the occupied peoples while carrying
out raids...a problem I understand that police depts. also have in
areas of high crime.
I've said it before and every one of these raids just amps
up my plans - when we build our new house in a few years, it will
be hardened. Shatterproof film on the windows, steel core doors
with multi-point locks, surveillance cameras (I like the off-site
storage for those babies - I'll put it on the list).
Not a bad plan. Of course, if you increase the SWAT team's
frustration level, they'd just be that much more likely to want to
kill you on the other end when they finally do break through.
You could legalize drugs tommorow and the SWAT teams would
be out kicking in doors looking for stolen cars or child porn. It
has become an end in itself. The drug war is just the
excuse.
QFMFT. The drug war was the catalyst, but this bullshit will take
hundreds of more tragedies before the public starts questioning
their love affair with SWAT teams.
For all who think Hollywood displays a strictly leftist lean, think
about how cops are treated by the TV and film industries. SWAT
teams are lionized daily on the idiot box.
For all who think Hollywood displays a strictly leftist
lean, think about how cops are treated by the TV and film
industries.
Oh yeah. I can't even watch crap like CSI or the other cop
shows, because of how they portray the pigs as fucking angels
including sickening doses of moral superiority. Just watch Caruso
for 5 minutes on CSI: Miami and you'll lose your lunch
(not just from the scenery chewing).
Hollywood's authoritarian love affair with the badge is
repulsive.
"""I'd at least like an apology. An apology would go a long way
towards fixing the situation, don't you think?"""
Yes, but assholes don't apologize for being an asshole.
If this happened to more Politicians it would be stopped. The
only way anyone gets coverage of being fucked by the police is when
they are in office or the relative of a politician.
This just shows that we could call in all the tips we want to
judges and pols families and friends homes and they do ZERO
investigationg before calling out SWAT. Another 3 or 4 of these
raids on the RIGHT peoples homes would end all this bullshit for
the rest of us mere citizens.
when we build our new house in a few years, it will be
hardened.
If I had the money, I'd get myself one of those houses built from
an abandoned nuclear missile
base.
when we build our new house in a few years, it will be
hardened
Sounds mighty suspicious to me. What are you hiding, R C?
"""Hollywood's authoritarian love affair with the badge is
repulsive."""
Hollywood just gives us what we want. America has an authoritarian
love affair with the badge when applied to other people. That's why
this isn't an issue for a lot of people. They think the Mayor got
what he deserved. A SWAT team is what you get when drugs are
delivered to your door. They don't look further than that.
I'd like to see an analysis of these raids that determines the
number of times:
police are shot at
police are wounded
police are killed
And the number of times "suspects" of the raid are:
shot at
wounded
killed
And we could add dogs as well
Not to defend Big Media on this, because I think they're
dropping the ball on showing the real world, but...
@ Episiarch
@ J sub DFor all who think Hollywood displays a strictly leftist lean, think about how cops are treated by the TV and film industries.
Oh yeah. I can't even watch crap like CSI or the other cop shows, because of how they portray the pigs as fucking angels including sickening doses of moral superiority. Just watch Caruso for 5 minutes on CSI: Miami and you'll lose your lunch (not just from the scenery chewing).
I suspect this is partly to do with the structure of a TV show.
It's hard to build a believable series out of "Bad Cop, Good Little
People".
With Good Guy cops and Bad Guy robbers we can produce 12 (or 20, or
50) shows a year. The conflict is already set up, the audience
knows who's who. It is easy, reliable, and profitable.
Bad Cop stories show up more in the movies. The longer format gives
you time for the set up, and its a once- (or twice-, or thrice-)
off. 'Course, there is generally a Good Cop to bring them
down.
Not that this makes the portrayal any less nauseating. It's like
the writers have never heard of subtlety, or allowing the message
to be inferred.
"Wheel of morality, turn, turn turn..."
RC Dean,
Don't forget the gator or pirrana filled moat. Are there are any
highly dangerous ENDANGERED animals? That would make for a fun case
endangered species protection laws v. swat thugs.
I can't even watch crap like CSI or the other cop shows,
because of how they portray the pigs as fucking angels including
sickening doses of moral superiority.
Wouldn't COPS on Fox be a much better show if they occasionally
showed an event where the fleeing suspect gets away, or the cop
makes a mistake? Maybe someone hanging his head, banging the
steering wheel because he screwed up. A guy's who's sorry or
frustrated because of how much hostility there is between the
police and the public.
It would make them humans instead of supermen. We'd relate to them
instead of being awed or afraid. Can't have that.
Are there are any highly dangerous ENDANGERED
animals?
I'd go with a Komodo Dragon for the proper effect.
And what will change as a result of all this publicity about
PG's Finest Thugs? Will anyone extrapolate this out to a damning
statement on the pointless futility of the WoD? Will handsome
anchors put on the Very Serious Face™ when talking about the
incident?
My money is on:
1) Not a god-damn thing.
2) No.
3) And the Very Concerned Furrowed Brow™ as well.
black labs > black grandmother
Black grandmothers scold you and yell at you. They generally make
you feel like a whiny POS who's ass they could easily (and could)
kick. Labs are cuddly, warm and loyal. They play fetch much better
than grandmothers.
No contest.
You clearly haven't been paying much attention to Iraq, have
you?
Sure I have, El. For an infantry patrol, targets are enemy
hostiles, not necessarily the people whose houses they may be
searching for evidence.
For SWAT teams, though, the only "target" is the poor bastard whose
about to get a warrant served via Jackboot Express.
I was having a little fun with the way each group defines, and
treats, "targets", El. Geez.
What are you hiding, R C?
An increasingly bad attitude toward the police, that's what.
Don't forget the gator or pirrana filled moat.
Well, the place will be in the country, and well back from any
road, with likely only one approach for vehicles. Some kind of
drawbridge isn't entirely out of the question, depending on
terrain.
This is dry country, though, so I suspect a moat will be a
non-starter. Plus, I couldn't keep the idiot dogs out of it, which
would be trouble after they got et.
Black grandmothers scold you and yell at you. They generally
make you feel like a whiny POS who's ass they could easily (and
could) kick. Labs are cuddly, warm and loyal. They play fetch much
better than grandmothers.
Black grandmothers play fetch pretty well, too. They'll send you
running down the street to bring stuff back for them all day if you
let 'em.
I can just see RC sitting in a hole in the floor with two shotguns waiting for the cops to come through the door a la Death Hunt.
1) Judges that do their fucking job when issuing
warrants.
This is not the judges fault. They clearly had a right to
get a warrent. It was the way they executed it.
I would like to believe you John. But I fear the process for
getting a warrant has become far to lenient. That's got to be the
judges' fault. They respond to public pressure just like everyone
else, but in our system they are the next to last defense against
tyranny (where an armed population is the ultimate last
defense).
I was having a little fun with the way each group defines,
and treats, "targets", El. Geez.
I had a humordectic lobotomy this morning. The part when my sense
of humor once resided still itches, if you know what I mean.
;)
My point was that you could define a comparable set of cases where
the missions were similar (searching for stuff in people's houses
for whom you do not have technical leave to simply level the place)
non-ridiculous comparisons could be made.
I wasn't arguing we should be comparing infantry units in direct
combat or search-and-destroy missions to SWAT teams. That *would*
be apples and oranges.
OK lawyers out there:
If having your name in the SHIP TO field on a shipping label on box
containing dope constitutes probable cause for a search warrant,
then why do the police need to wait for you to take possession to
search your house?
I'm with RC. When we build our next house, I'll make some "adjustments" for general security. It's not that I expect a "no knock" raid (or have any reason to), but in the unlikely event of a forced entry, I think I can build something that would allow me to pop some corn and wait comfortably.
The only thing unusual best
thing about this raid is that its victim happened to be an
elected politician.
Fixed.
Since the police already knew the drugs had been taken inside
the house, the rationale for breaking the door down just doesn't
wash, especially since they were wearing masks, carrying guns and
not in uniform but in street clothes.
I can only assume that if this mayor had a gun upstairs he and his
mother would both be dead, right along with the two dogs and PG
police would be making up a whole new set of lies about the mayor
being a weed kingpin.
Re: COPS
I'm convinced that Cops has 2 purposes: 1) Show average Americans
how terribly dangerous everything is, so they will continue to
support the police and 2) Show the criminally minded that the
police always win (and that criminals are really stupid) so there
will be fewer "I'm going to take as many of you bastards with me as
I can" incidents out there.
Re: home "improvements"
Good minefields make for good neighbors. Decorative fougasses are
going to be THE lawn accessory of the 21st century.
Set up a camera to alert you when unwelcome armed visitors show up;
when they approach your door, go out to them and say "Thank God
you're here, I think they (point at least liked neighbor's house)
are running a meth lab/child porn studio/terror cell/Nader for
President meeting"
It won't help you, but it will make them pause, and it'll teach
your neighbor not to let his dogs crap on your lawn. You've got to
look for the silver lining, after all.
black labs > black grandmother
Gotta love the media.
Does it matter? You still support the drug war that makes such
things inevitable, all the same. Reserve your judgment for folks
who aren't doing your dirty work.
I've only read about this story on this site. Prior to this post that included a picture, indeed I had assumed that the mayor and his wife were black, being that it was a drug raid in PG county and all.
in the unlikely event of a forced entry, I think I can build
something that would allow me to pop some corn and wait
comfortably.
Of course, its also security against the usual burglary as well,
but, in the unlikely event the cop feel the need to break down the
door, I expect to have enough time to get on the intercom and ask
them just what the fuck they think they're doing, and if they want
serve the warrant like civilzed people, I'll be happy to meet them
around back. As soon as my lawyer gets here. And the press.
I may be a lone voice here, and it may be because it's a mayor, and it may be because the wife's statement to the media was so over the top, but I don't think this is a great injustice. The SWAT officers have to be prepared that the suspect may be armed, and the officers must be prepared that the suspect may have some way to dispose of the drugs. Also, the officers have no way to know whether or not the dogs were trained to attack - being a mayor does not disqualify the possibility. The SWAT officers acted according to their training - whether or not you disagree with those tactics is another question. After all, another SWAT officer didn't mistaken the shots at the dogs for gunfire coming from the suspect and shoot them(as what happened in Lima). No one got hurt - the mistake here was they targeted the wrong people. But in terms of mechanics, I don't think you can say it was a gross injustice in and of itself.
PG county is a liberal (and criminal) bastion with a bunch of liberal politicians. Utterly shocking this would take place in that cesspool.
. . . but I don't think this is a great
injustice.
And a great many Russians were dismayed by their loss of a sense of
security when the Soviet Union collapsed.
"Saw that, however, I can't imagine anyone in the Bush Justice
Department stomping on these "well-meaning" cops."
I call partisan bullshit!
I may be a lone voice here, and it may be because it's a mayor,
and it may be because the wife's statement to the media was so over
the top, but I don't think this is a great injustice. The SWAT
officers have to be prepared that the suspect may be armed, and the
officers must be prepared that the suspect may have some way to
dispose of the drugs. Also, the officers have no way to know
whether or not the dogs were trained to attack - being a mayor does
not disqualify the possibility. The SWAT officers acted according
to their training - whether or not you disagree with those tactics
is another question. After all, another SWAT officer didn't
mistaken the shots at the dogs for gunfire coming from the suspect
and shoot them(as what happened in Lima). No one got hurt - the
mistake here was they targeted the wrong people. But in terms of
mechanics, I don't think you can say it was a gross injustice in
and of itself.
------------------------------------
1) The police had no reason to suspect anyone in the house would be
armed, it was a middle class neighborhood and the mayor waived to
them earlier that day. The police do not ALWAYS assume that any
warrant they are serving is going to turn violent and there was no
reason here to use a swat team.
2) The police are the ones who delivered the drugs and there is no
way I know of to destroy 30 POUNDS of pot in the time it would have
taken for them to knock on the door and show the warrant.
3) It appears the dogs did NOT attack, even the police have not
said the dogs atacked, only using vague words like 'engaged' and
the police feeling threatened. The mayor has said the 2nd dog was
shot in the back while running away and has challenged the police
to release the photos. So, far the police have not released any
evidence that backs up the need to shoot and kill the two
dogs.
4) Yes, someone got hurt, the two pets were killed for no reason
and the mayor and his mother were terrorized for two hours. I
suspect IF the mayor had a gun he and his mother would both be
dead.
5) The issue here is that a SWAT team was totally inappropriate
given the situation and what police knew: a package of pot
delivered to an address with no known history of drugs or criminal
activity in a middle class neighborhood where the suspect had
waived at them earlier while walking his dogs.
There is no defense for the shoddy investigation and police
overkill. Even IF he was a pot dealer this would still be complete
overkill and inappropriate use of force.
I call partisan bullshit!
Huh?
I've voted libertartian for the last six presidential cycles; so I
have roughly equal animosity for both the democratic and republican
parties.
My point is that the Bush adminstration was busy pushing career
prosecuters out of the justice department to install
"right-thinking" attorneys with the "proper" set of
priorities.
I don't see persuing a case against police for violating the civil
rights of a citizen during the serving of a "legitimate" warrant as
being high on the list of things that Justice will worry about
during the remainder of the Bush adminstration.
The Prince George's County Police Chief is black; the county administrator is black. Let me ask this...assume they were white and the mayor was black. How big of a demonstration do you think they would be having in Prince George's country this weekend? I'll tell you, you would not be able to drive down Route 1! this is really bad; really bad; and both the county administrator and the police chief should be FIRED! PERIOD!
Isn't the mayor a republican? Maybe that is why the FBI/DOJ
already has opened an investigation...which is lightening speed to
get the Feds involved in a local police matter.
It's also worth remembering that all these thugs were in plain
clothes and as the town police chief said, if any of his own
officers had seen them they too would have assumed it was an armed
home invasion and may have fired on the SWAT team.
It may also be that given the numerous other high profile screw ups
by PG police that the Feds already have been investigating
them.
The SWAT officers have to be prepared that the suspect may
be armed,
We have this thing called the second amendment. Despite some
controversy over whether constitutional amendments are enforcible
outside a "federal district"... due to this second amendment, we
are all potentially armed.
(1)Thirty two pounds of marijuana is about half the size of a
bale of hay. That much cannot be easily destroyed before the police
can get in and find it. (2)Maryland has strict gun control laws.
The police would have known if guns were present, since the mayor
was a known liberal. Therefore the assumption must be that the
reason that the police were acting as jack-booted thugs is because
they are jack-booted thugs.
The War on Drugs is a war on the Constitution. While I dislike drug
users, I'd rather put up with junkies than fascism.
This was the County Sheriff's Department, NOT the County Police. The Calvos need to get Sheriff Michael Jackson to apologize, not Melvin High.
"Huh?"
Right. My bad. Of course the Bush admin will block/hinder/squash
the FBI's investigation. They can't help it. It's what reptilian
shape-shifters do. It's in their DNA. I gotta get me a fuckin' tin
hat pronto!!!
PS I forgot that Libertarians are incapable of being partisan.
Of course the Bush admin will block/hinder/squash the FBI's
investigation.
Do you normally have reading comprehension problems?
It doesn't matter whether or not the FBI investigates.
It matters whether or not the Justice Department (the prosecuters
not the investigators) choose to file charges.
"shot Calvo's dogs because they felt threatened by them"
It's such a convenient excuse, "I felt threatened, so I
xxxxxxxxxxxxx". Sloppy police work, no problem.
To spell it out so that BeeBee can get it
Prosecutors have discretion one which cases they choose to
prosecute.
The Bush department purged career proescutors from the Justice
Department and replaced them with Bush loyalists, not Republicans,
Bush loyalists.
The priorities of the new proescutors was terrorism, abortion, and
pornography.
Chasing civil right violators ain't even in the playbook let alone
on the front page of priorities.
I wouldn't count on charges, I wouldn't even count on anything
beyond 'mistakes were made, policies need to be updated, but no
laws were broken'
I wouldn't expect anything from PG county police, they still
haven't admitted officially that the mayor and his wife are
innocent, and they will never admit they should not have killed the
dogs.
So, I guess that means that in America today, a white, middle
class, elected public official with no criminal record can have his
house invaded by jack booted police thugs not even in uniform who
can then refuse to show him the warrant, fail to abide by the terms
of the warrant, kill dogs that don't attack them, including one
that runs away from them, keep the mayor and his 60+ year old
mother handcuffed on the floor and they don't even have to make a
formal apology even though their own investigation already hinted
that the mayor and his family were innocent victims of the actual
drug traffickers.
Not good.
Incidentally, the Marine who threw the puppy off of the cliff
was thrown out of the Corps.
Details
here.
So at least the military disciplines its dog-killers.
Facts:
The weed was picked up by dog in Arizona and addressed to mayor's
wife. The cops delivered the weed and mother in law said leave it
on front porch. Family is white in white older neighborhood and a
Republican area at that.
The mayor-part time has a day job and got home picked up package
notice the black SUVs and a women waiting. He left it on a table
and went upstairs to change. He heard his mother-law-scream and he
was in his underpants. The crash of the broken door, two shots and
he dropped to the floor. The older dog was at the front door and
the younger was running to back room when shot.
Mayor and mother-in-law were handcuffed on the floor with the
corpses of the dogs and were questioned for hours when the police
started to realize something was wrong.
The PG Swat team was busy and did not handle the raid. The sheriff
dept did the raid and normally they handle civil subpoenas. They
did not contact the local police chief of the Berwyn Heights. They
did not know that this was the local small town mayor house.
They did not have a no knock warrant.
The dogs are a normal casualty when a raid goes down. No cop will
take a chance with large dogs. Problem was lack of detective
work.
After this screw up the cops arrested a deliveryman and another.
Recovered 412 lbs of pot worth 3.6 million.
The problem is SWAT tactics should be stopped unless a hostage
situation. This needs to be stopped. The mayor could have gone to
the door with a gun in MD perfectly legal and would have been
shot.
I also have 2 dogs and one is a German Shepard and aggressive at
the door. I fully expect that she is first line of defense and
would get hurt or killed in a home invasion. That leaves me time to
get armed. There is no difference to the homeowner to a robber
committing a home invasion or the police on a no knock raid. NO way
can I tell the difference in time to stop from either being shot or
shooting a cop. This is a tragedy waiting to happen for both police
and homeowners.
You still support the drug war that makes such things
inevitable, all the same.
Hungry Antelope, I think you have me confused with someone
else.
The Bush department purged career proescutors from the
Justice Department and replaced them with Bush loyalists, not
Republicans, Bush loyalists.
Please stop saying this as it is false. You are conflating
replacing US Attorneys, who are politcal appointees, with "career
prosecutors"
Just stop.
Another example of one of the many failures of the drug war, and
its negative effects on liberty and safety.
Maybe being in an elected position, Calvo will use this incident as
leverage to expose the tactics used regularly by drug task forces
across the country.
The Prince George County police, both Sheriff's and County
departments have had a reputation for sloppy and substandard police
work for years and deservedly so.
It would benefit everyone, if the investigation is open and
transparent.
I just can't get over the sickening waste of the two dogs. Not
just for their sake alone although that is part of the
consideration of course. I just can't imagine how horrific it would
be for their owners. One moment everything is fine and the next
they witness their family pets getting blown away. I feel so awful
for these people. That has got to be traumatic.
What I don't understand is the house was being surveilled. They had
to have seen that the dogs were family pets. It is nothing but
excessive to not account for them, to not give the owners of the
house the benefit of the doubt by at least planning to cause the
least amount of harm to property and pets as possible.
How is it that mail carriers can protect themselves against
dangerous animals with pepper spray and these freakin cops go in
with only firearms to defend themselves against a pair of pampered
Labs?????? WTF????
The Ace,
Please stop saying this as it is false. You are conflating
replacing US Attorneys, who are politcal appointees, with "career
prosecutors"
Just stop.
You are incorrect.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/20/AR2007062002543.html
Decorated career prosecutors in the Civil Rights division.
anon | August 8, 2008, 11:22am | #
"I'd at least like an apology. An apology would go a long way
towards fixing the situation, don't you think?"
It is an admission of guilt in some ways so I wouldn't expect
one... since the lawsuit is the expected round two. On the other
hand, I wouldn't go and defend the raid either. If I were involved
I'd just shut up and say I can't comment.
The answer is that these police were totaly incompetant from
start to finish. They cowboyed up with all the fancy toys they
could find for a weed drop off [ridiculous], and when they found a
defenseless granny, a 30 something guy in his underwear and 2 labs,
they had to kill something.
This guy is lucky he's alive, if he wasn't the town's mayor he
would probably be dead and the two actual drug smugglers would have
already "confessed" to his role in the drug operation.
"http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/20/AR2007062002543.html
Decorated career prosecutors in the Civil Rights division."
who were leftist hacks. Yeah, they probably got replaced by
rightist hacks but that is the way it goes. Like every nutjob
leftist plaintiffs lawyer won't be getting a job at DOJ if the Dems
ever win the Whitehouse. Cry me a river Joe. DOJ has been a
cesspool of chonyism and politics for 20 years or more. The best
thing any President can do is fire DOJ lawyers.
who were leftist hacks And you know this how? Quick,
don't look, name one of the people who's life's work you just
slandered.
Yeah, they probably got replaced by rightist hacks
...which would be a federal crime.
but that is the way it goes. No, actually, career, civil
service prosecutors like these are not routinely turned out by
different administrations. That's the difference between the career
civil servants and the political appointees.
Even "Ace" recognized that, when he disputed that they were career prosecutors, and insisted that the politicized firings and hirings were limited to United States Attorneys.
Um, didn't the DOJ's own probe just recently say that one of the
Bush appointees ILLEGALLY took political affiliations into
consideration when making career hires? Monica Gooding ring a
bell?
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/31/hiring-at-justice-found-politicized/
"To spell it out so that BeeBee can get it"
Perhaps you might consider fucking yourself.
Top aides to former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales ran
the U.S. Department of Justice the way that the snotty kids in your
school decided who was cool, and who was not.
It would be funny, if it hadn't affected the way justice is
administered in America, and if it hadn't started right here in
Minnesota.
Monday's report by the department's inspector general confirmed
that Gonzales and his aides, including the destructively
ideological Monica Goodling, broke civil service laws by
subjecting appointees to political litmus tests and playing bizarre
games of 20 Questions in which they asked prospective hires witless
questions such as: "What is it about George W. Bush that makes you
want to serve him? (maybe how he looks all Marlboro Man in
his Wranglers)" and Googled candidates with red-flag words such as
"gay," "gun," "sex" "Clinton" and (I kid you not) "Spotted
owl.
US Attorneys are political appointments. However, the law
prohibits political considerations in hiring and firing of those
attorneys.
So, The Ace, I am not wrong.
Back to the dog killing jack booted thugs...here is Calvo's
letter to DOJ...pretty compelling, I especially like how he
mentions that one of the "officers" sitting in a house full of the
blood of two dead dogs with an old woman lying face down on the
floor was making personal phone calls on her cell phone.
Nice.
Dear Ms. Becker:
I am writing to request that the Civil Rights Division initiate an
investigation into the search warrant policies and procedures of
the Prince George's County Sheriff's Department and the County
Police Department and specifically to investigate the incident that
occurred on July 29, 2008 when our home was illegally entered by
county law enforcement officers, who tied up two members of our
family and shot and killed our two family dogs, with premedication
and without provocation.
1. What Happened.
On the evening of July 29, 2008, I came home from work and arrived
at my residence at 8522 Edmonston Rd. in Berwyn Heights. I work at
SEED, a non-profit organization that operates the nation's only
public boarding schools for at-risk urban students. I have been the
elected, part-time mayor of Berwyn Heights, a municipality in
Prince George's County since 2004. My wife, Trinity Tomsic, is a
financial officer for the state of Maryland. My mother-in-law,
Georgia Porter, works for a local company.
When I arrived home, I was greeted by my mother-in-law, who was
cooking an artichokes, tomatoes and pasta dinner in the kitchen.
She told me a FedEx package for my wife, Trinity Tomsic, was on the
porch. It had been delivered to the house a few minutes beforehand,
and Georgia had asked the delivery man to leave it outside on the
porch. I thought little o fit because Trinity frequently receives
gardening supplies by mail. I then took our two dogs, Payton (age
7) and Chase (age 4), both black Labradors, for a walk. While on
the walk, I noticed SUVs parked on nearby roads, but thought little
of it other than to wave to the drivers. I returned home and then
began changing my clothes to get ready for a quarterly meeting of
municipal officials from nearby towns that I was hosting at Berwyn
Heights Town Center, down the street. Before going back inside the
house; however, I retrieved the package and placed it unopened on a
living room table.
While in my bedroom upstairs, while changing and only in boxer
shorts, I heard my mother-in-law scream and then heard our front
door being broken open and gunshots being fired. I thought our home
was being invaded. I feared for my life and fell to the floor. No
one announced themselves as law enforcement.
Downstairs, the officers shot Payton immediately upon entering the
house. Payton's body was located on the floor near the entry to the
kitchen where he was hot some distance from the front door. Chase,
our four-year-old Lab, was shot in the back by the officers in the
rear of the house while running away. Neither dog attacked or
"engaged" law enforcement, as claimed by the county sheriff.
My mother-in-law was made to lie face-down on the floor in the
kitchen, several feet away from where Payton was bleeding to death.
Her hands were restrained with plastic handcuffs behind her back.
She laid there on the floor with her head held down by police so
that she could only see Payton's lifeless body for a considerable
period of time.
The officers called for me to walk downstairs backwards with my
hands up, which I did. The officers then directed to me to kneel
down in the living room by the open front door in my boxer shorts
with my hands restrained in plastic cuffs behind my back. I
remained in that position for a considerable period of time,
watching Payton's body in the other corner of the room and my
mother-in-law lying face down in the kitchen.
Georgia and I then were interrogated by police. Georgia was
questioned by a detective named Kim, who in the course of her
questioning managed to talk on her cell phone and to make a
veterinary appointment for her dog. Georgia overheard Kim tell her
friend that, this was her first raid and that it was "exciting"
because it was the mayor's house. Finally, after nearly two hours,
the officers released the restraints on my mother-in-law and me
after I complained about losing feeling in my right hand. The
officers ultimately decided not to arrest me or any member of my
family and indeed found no evidence linking any of us to the box's
contents.
Yesterday, Melvin High, the outgoing chief of the Prince George's
County Police Department, announced the arrest of two men,
including a Federal Express delivery man, who participated in a
scheme to use the overnight service to ship as much as 417 pounds
of marijuana using the addresses of innocent and unsuspecting
residents to ship the contraband. Chief High said that, in addition
to Trinity Tomsic, five or six other innocent county residents had
been subject to such ficticious deliveries.
Although they were listed as addresses, the deliveries never
reached them because they were intercepted by the Federal Express
employee. Like my wife, they were victims of identity theft. Their
names were used to allow drug traffickers to ship marijuana through
the Federal Express overnight delivery service.
The law enforcement officers who entered our home did so without
knocking and broke through the door. Since 2005, Maryland law has
required a no-knock warrant. Last Saturday, the spokesperson for
the county police stated that the court had issued a no-knock
warrant. This is untrue. Law enforcement neither sought nor
obtained a no-knock warrant. Indeed, no warrant was ever presented
to us during the evening of the police raid.
Yesterday, the county sheriff justified the killing of our dogs
because they had engaged the deputies. This is false. The officers
were aware of the presence of dogs in our house before they
entered. They had seen me walking the dogs, both black Labs,
moments earlier. They opened fire on our dogs as soon as they broke
our door down. One dog, Payton, was shot near where he was found
near the entrance to our kitchen some distance from the front door.
The second dog, Chase was shot in the back while running away and
was found in the rear of the house, where he had been shot.
Without ever investigating what happened or speaking to us, both
the sheriff and the county police chief have announced public
conclusions in this case defending the raid. More disturbing, we
now have received reports of similar misconduct involving other
innocent homeowners, including invasion of the homes of other
innocent country residents and killing of other innocent family
pets. This appears to be a pattern and practice in our law law
enforcement agencies where a lack of training and supervision is
apparent. There are also significant questions as to why our
county's sheriff's department, whose statutory mission does not
involve drug enforcement, should be executing drug raids.
It is clear that our local law enforcement agencies have a culture
of disregarding Maryland's no-knock statute and ignoring the rights
of innocent occupants and their pets. It is also clear that our
county law enforcement agencies cannot discipline or investigate
themselves.
On behalf of my wife, Trinity Tomsic, my mother-in-law, Georgia
Porter, and myself, I request that the Civil Rights Division
investigate the circumstances surrounding the invasion of our home
and killing of our dogs on July 29, 2008. I also request the
division to investigate the pattern and practices associated with
search warrant executions by the Prince George's County Police
Department and Sheriff's Department.
Warrants for SWAT raids should require that the cops be drug-tested prior to the raid. I don't want cops on meth, speed or steroids kicking in people's doors.
kinnath,
Law prohibits? This Administration never puts those two words
together when contemplating its actions.
Congress must impeach Bush and Cheney. These two clowns need to do
time.
I'm not sure if the law prohibits firing them for political
reasons but using a political bias to hire them is against the
law.
John is right, and I've been saying for a while, it is a problem
with law and needs to be fixed via law.
It depends on what category they are, if they are a "political"
appointee then they can be hired and fired for political reasons,
but not for illegal reasons such as refusing to indict someone on
false charges or forging evidence or not having sex with the
boss.
If they are a career civil servant category then they cannot be
hired or fired based on any political considerations.
I have a different idea about how to combat the growing problem
of hyper-militarized police raids on peoples' homes.
Someone (I would do it if I had the time, and I might find the
time, but somebody might get to it faster than I can right now)
could start a website designed around the idea of how to protect
your home from home invasions and renegade police (but I am
repeating myself).
The site would outline the problem and offer tips on how to limit
access to doorways so the cops cannot easily "stack" there without
exposing themselves, how to protect main level and basement windows
from entry tools, and pretty much basic information gleaned from
fortress design from days of old as well as current Third World
home designs (which mostly resemble walled compounds).
I want to make it clear that I do not want to live in a nation
where the police are acting like such blatant thugs, but that is
the cultural direction we have taken and it is a reality now. Might
as well help people prepare for it. You can at least make it as
difficult as possible for the thugs in society to harm you and your
loved ones.
Another thought on this whole matter:
The police have been heavily marketed to by "police supply"
warehouses that offer everything that they use. These companies do
it because it is easy money. If you have noticed, cops these days
are sporting Batman-style utility belts with just ridiculous
amounts of gear and their cars are now weighed down with guns and
computer equipment, all purchased on the public dime. So another
idea is to force agencies to stop buying so much shit and start
going after the companies marketing the gear, too--get them to
absorb some of the responsibility for the misuse of their products.
If the liberals can sue gun manufacturers, they can sue the
battering ram and armored truck companies, too. Make it a moral
hazard, which is what it is.
I can't even read to the end of that letter, or I'm going to start throwing things.
"There are also significant questions as to why our county's
sheriff's department, whose statutory mission does not involve drug
enforcement, should be executing drug raids."
two words: asset forfeiture.
"Warrants for SWAT raids should require that the cops be
drug-tested prior to the raid. I don't want cops on meth, speed or
steroids kicking in people's doors."
How much do you want to bet that the officers went to the bar that
night.
DISGUSTING, the war on drugs makes me sick.
Then again, if the police's intent was to send a message to the mayor and all other politicians, this will be highly effective....
The problem with fortifying your house is that the police will
always have more artilery than you do...it will only result in more
justification for SWAT style crap and more dead citizens.
Unfortunately, Ruby Ridge and Waco involved people who did not fit
the profile that civil liberarians and liberals typically
defend.
Randy Weaver and the Waco nut jobs weren't very good poster boys,
those tragedies didn't jazz the media or political elites.
And so here we are, nice middle class mayor gets his life torn
apart and his beautiful dogs slaughtered by thug cops.
Welcome to America, as the saying goes, you always end up with the
government you deserve.
Something just does not make snse with this case. I think there needs to be an investigation, ie grand jury by the feds.
Good grief! Over analyze much???
This was WRONG people! And a lot of police and law official heads
need to roll. If I was that mayor some people would be hurting the
rest of their lives for this.
The biggest worry for me is that, in a small dysfunctional town,
if you piss off a local attorney's office, or embarrass a prominent
church member, he can pull strings at the local Police station
and...
...They can effectively frame you now. All just to avenge a
personal vendetta 'gainst you.
Another thing I've noticed is, many retired police officers never
really leave the force. So, if you award them entry to your home
under the pretense of, say, hiring them as a buiding contractor,
and, should you exercise the contract's termination clause, or
otherwise show displeasure with his work, watch out!
This tendency to use the State's force-agency as one's private
proxy is extremely dangerous to a free society.
America under the "War on Drugs" resembles China's "Cultural
Revolution" at times. I'm not sure I recognize my nation these
days.
Something's got to give.
Whenever I read about a cop shooting - good, bad, or indifferent
- I always rush over to get the Radley Balko whine-fest. It's as
predictable as the changing of the seasons.
Officers interact with the public thousands of times each day and
do thousands of warrants every year. The overwhelming majority of
which don't result in bad situations like this. That's never
reported because it isn't news though.
I don't disagree that police are able to serve warrants without
shooting up the place, that is exactly the point. They could have
done exactly that in this case. There was no need for any type of
crazy SWAT activity.
My guess is that when no knock/SWAT type of events are put in place
by police there is a much higher rate of 'collateral damage' than
just showing up, knocking on the door and saying 'we've got a
warrant to search the place'..
The police today did clear the mayor and his family [funny, how an
FBI investigation can bring clarity], but still REFUSED TO
APOLOGIZE FOR KILLING THE DOGS.
Note to self: stay out of Prince George's County.
Here's a link to an email from the mayor to friends and
family:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-mayoremail0808,0,4607054.story
I hope he sues, but he's probably too nice of a guy.
If the dog was so loyal why was it running away? There is an cop saying - better to shoot a person than a dog because people are so whacked out they get more pissed about a dog being shot than a person.
What is particularly appalling is a Prince George;s detective
present at the scene, named Kim, after handcuffing the mayor and
forcing him to lay down facing his dead dog in a pool of blood,
called a friend on her cell phone in the mayor's house and made a
veterninary appointment for her dog.
Prince George's County Police Chief Melvin High should be fired,
and the detectives involved should be criminally charged with
trespass, breaking and entering (a no-knock warrant was NOT
issued), and animal cruelty.
TRO, you are a disgusting human being.
To make light of what is a deep personal tragedy for the mayor ("If
the dog was so loyal why was it running away") because you somehow
want to minimize the egregious behavior of the police in this
instance - behavior that is becoming all too common with the
paramilitarization of the police - is reprehensible.
The point here is that the police had no business sending a bunch
of amped up adrenaline junkies in plainclothes to execute a
military style raid in a situation where two uniformed officers and
a bullhorn would have sufficed.
I'm thoroughly sick of SWAT / SOT / HRT / HRET infantry wannabes.
If you want be a soldier, join the damn Army. A cop is a civilian
who has a civilian job as a public servant, "to serve and protect,"
not a jackbooted thug who sees a police career as an opportunity to
get his rocks off kicking doors. There is no excuse for this -
none.
Of course, if an 18 year old infantryman in Iraq behaved like these
cops did, he'd be facing UCMJ action. It infuriates me beyond
belief that our soldiers fighting a war are held to a higher
standard than our civilian police are.
And it matters not a whit to me whether thousands of cops everyday
suppress the urge to shoot citizens' dogs, destroy their property,
and terrorize their mother in laws. In this case, and in too many
cases like it, the cops are out of control thugs - and will
continue to be until the voting public reins them in.
And Andy, while I in general agree with you that the problem is
that the raid happened, I also thing that the police were simply
wrong and out of control in shooting the dogs. No, I take that
back, they were pussies who execute all large dogs as a matter of
SOP because they're afraid of them. If they couldn't control 2
labrador retrievers - not a breed known for ferocity - then they're
just wimps. And tracking the dog's blood through the house -
there's no excuse - just the cops way of saying "Fuck you" to the
citizens they're sworn to protect and the law they're sworn to
uphold.
And before the police apologists like TRO jump on me with the "you
haven't been there so you don't know" argument, let me throw the
bullshit flag pre-emptively. The doors I've kicked have potentially
had trained terrorists with RPGs and machine guns behind them, not
street criminals. And the cops don't have to be worried about
getting IED'd on the way in.
Oh, and by the way, when I was faced with an Iraqi fucking Cujo
snarling in my face, I didn't take the shot because I didn't want
to terrorize the family by shooting in their house. No such
consideration is forthcoming inside the US, apparently.
Just disgusting . . .
SF Alpha Geek
TRO
There is an cop saying - better to shoot a person than a dog because people are so whacked out they get more pissed about a dog being shot than a person.
Then why do they always shoot the dog?
I'm not advocating violence against the police, but if I were on a jury for someone accused of shooting one or more of those SOBs, I'd probably acquit.
Oh, and while I'm at it, we need to have the dog shooters
publicly identified with their names, faces and addresses (Google
Earth too) listed for public review.
Moreover, the two "under cover" officers who intercepted the pot
but then sent it on must also be similarly identified.
Maybe some young enterprising "Michale Moore" wannabe can catch
some of these scumbags on a home video cam and post it to the
internet.
Let's not let this case die down and be forgotten. This horrendous, violent misuse of the law should serve as a rallying point for restoring Constitutional rights.
Yeah, call me "disgusting." That always moves a debate
along.
If disgusting means I have my priorities straight, The issue here
is the police conducting a no-knock warrant (something I am against
by the way) based on what evidently was bad intelligence and even
worse police work. If the officers involved acted illegally here
they should be punished. If they did not, they should not. Simple
as that.
The dead dogs, while unfortunate, are not the most important thing
here, yet people gnash and wail about them as if the world had
ended.
Give me a break.
This is a typical comment thread here on any cop shooting. Everyone
goes off on tangents like pot legalization and all cops are
"suppressing the urge to shoot dogs." It would be funny if it
weren't so overdone.
I have been a law enforcement officer for 24 years in both the
military and now with a federal agency. I never had the urge to
shoot a dog. I own a couple of beautiful dogs. I have, however,
worried about having to shoot dogs that I believed could be
dangerous to me on a number of occasions. And I have always
counseled other investigators who happen to be with me to not shoot
a dog - better to get bit and be stitched-up - just because of the
unhinged people who will flip out if you do, no matter how
legitimate that action might be.
Someone said "Then why do they always shoot the dog?"
Well, they don't. Rarely does that happen, because as you can see,
when it does it is bigger news than a mass murder. As I said
before, cops serve thousands of warrants each year, and the vast
majority are preformed safely and without any significant problems.
And cops interact with the populace millions of times each year
with no real issues either.
But you guys ignore that and judge all officers by the screw-ups of
a few. And it's mostly because you can't smoke pot legally and you
got a speeding ticket in the past.
Commenter asked "How do you shoot dog?"
Simple -- procedure. If you take a peek into SWAT procedures one of
the principles are that dogs are to be treated at all times as
armed assailants. The reasoning for this is that fact than in many
cases trained dogs are used by drug rings as first lines of
defense.
Maybe we ought to start sending 30# bags of oregano to the HQ of Prince Georges County. We might just be lucky enough that they raid themselves.
I'm pretty pro-police, being a solid Republican, but this is
just horrible. These police are obviously way out of control. It
would have been less damaging if everyone in the entire
neighborhood got high on that pot rather than what actually
happened.
What should happen here is that the PG Sheriff's Department
personnel who took part in this raid should be terminated with
prejudice, meaning they can never work in law enforcement again.
What should also happen is that these people should receive several
million dollars in PG reparations. Make the cost enough to really
hurt the PG Sheriff's Department and the PG County
Government.
If those things happened, the local police would see the cost of
error was so high they dared not make one. Moreover, even should
there be some rash individual who might not want to take proper
investigative precautions before a no-knock, his supervisors would
have been telling him from Day 1 of his service as a LEO that "you
screw up and it may bankrupt the county. You, however, will
DEFINITELY be in need of a new job. DON'T SCREW UP!"
With that kind of continuous indoctrination unrelentingly applied,
even a rash officer wanting to try it on would almost certainly
have his colleagues reining him back.
The only difference between the Prince George's County police and the Boy Scouts is the Boy Scouts have adult leadership. If the damn cops want to be in combat, then join the fucking Army or Marines. Swat teams should be outlawed and they should be made to wear uniforms, not their ninja costumes....cowardly bastards.
@Dan
That's part of the problem a lot of these guys ARE reservists or
national guard. They do a tour in Iraq and when they come back they
think they are still over there and the same rules apply.
Interestingly enough, this raid is making it more dangerous to
be a police officer. Numerous commenters on the Baltimore Sun
article have stated they are more likely to fire on anyone armed
approaching their home. I can't really disagree with them. Does it
matter whether the criminals are wearing badges or not?
I'm going to protect my pets and my family over some random SWAT
stormtroopers. "Just following orders" didn't cut it as an excuse
for the Nazis, and doesn't work for the drug nazis either. If you
think it's moral for you to go into people's homes guns blazing
over a drug less dangerous than alcohol, then I really won't feel
sorry when one of those residents takes you out.
Here is the link for that article. Over 3,000 comments so
far.
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/baltimore-sun/TJO9JRPA0TRDGKOLF
Prince George Police Dept email:
Police_CustomerService@co.pg.m d.us
Sheriif's email:
sheriffinfo@co.pg.md.us
When they broke down the door
and put their guns in the face of your wife and child
and as they pinned you to the floor
did you say "officer, i am not resisting you. " ?
American Justice american dream
is this what ' the other half ' means
half of our lives dissolved in fear
half of our rights they disappear
is our apathy so corrosive
where does the cycle start
hear the sirens screaming out in the distance
hold your family close to your heart
American Justice American Lies
a war of words that I despise
I wish the good cops If they exist
the very best
and a bullet for all the
complications injustice deliberations what's the deal
they fake it, we break it, and take back what they steal
we could rise black and white unbound and make them pay
for every tear, for every fear, defend our yesterdays
when they dropped the bomb on the building to kill a MOVEment
did they care where the rights of the murdered went
police terror in the eyes of the children
police terror in the streets of every town
where's our freedom when the sun goes down
and will the houses that the landlords built keep out the bullet
sound
American Justice American Lies
a racist prison
anaesthetized
I wish the good cops If they exist
the very best
and a bullet for all the . . .
As a defense lawyer, I am totally accustomed to this being a typical and disgusting reality in our police state Amerika. This is a test to see if there is an outcry. If not, this will result in more escalation. See infowars.com or the free google movies Police State etc
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