Radley Balko | June 28, 2007
According to the U.S. Department of Justice, the U.S. gained 62,000 more jail and prison inmates last year, the biggest increase in six years. There are more than 2.2 million people behind bars in America, or one out of every 133 of us. We have 5 percent of the world's population, but 25 percent of its prison population. And we by far lead the world in incarcerations. That includes China, which has four times our total population.
Perhaps the most staggering figure on U.S. prison populations is one regularly cited by Jack Cole, head of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition: At the height of apartheid in South Africa, 851 of every 100,000 black men in that country were behind bars. As of 2005 in the U.S., 4,419 of every 100,000 black men were.
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Clarification: Are the fractional statistics quoted supposed to have different denominators?
During Apartheid, lefties were building tent cities on my
university's campus. During drugwar racism, the plight of victims
is bi-partisan ignored, but especially if the victims are
disproportionately black.
JMR
Well, at least dbcooper never contributed to prison
overcrowding.
Glad to hear you made it out alive, man!
"the U.S. gained 62,000 more jail and prison inmates last year,
the biggest increase in six years."
Sounds like it's time to stock up on some stock in Corrections
Corporation of America.
I think we can safely ignore China's figures, which are naturally complete fabrications. However, comparing us to Western Europe is completely fair. We simply do not need to lock up a good chunk of the people that we are locking up. The drug war accounts for a lot of it, of course.
First off, I agree that these figures are pretty shameful - we
should strike "the land of the free" from our national anthem, I
think.
From a different point of view, however, I suppose all modern
societies have to figure out what to do about their poor. Our
strategy really does seem to be a combination of warehousing them
in prisons and bribing them with welfare.
I suppose as a strategy it's working (our lower classes seem
pacified), but what happens if our economy goes into depression
again and we can no longer afford to employ these tactics? There's
going to be some serious turmoil if the welfare funds dry up and/or
we have to suddenly release thousands upon thousands of criminals
(or, if you prefer, "criminals").
It's good to know that I am being kept safe from all those violent users of marijuana, and that the addicts in jail are getting the treatment they need to be healthy and productive citizens once they are released from their 90-year sentences. We have a wonderful system.
Any reason to call a statistical find a "Gulag"? One of the most repressive, torturous, and effective killing machines, which killed 1 million people? Is it to troll via sensationalism as Amnesty did on Gitmo or was the write up by a малолетки?
Hey ethics -
The brutality of the gulag was only part of what made it a
gulag.
The other part was the fact that the sheer scale of it made it a
country within a country - hence the expression "gulag
archipelago".
We aren't approaching the scale of the true gulag yet, but we're
giving it the old college try. We have a vast and growing country
within a country, with its own culture, economy [including imports
and exports], and power centers. And if you count inmate-on-inmate
violence which is largely winked at and allowed to continue to make
prisons more of a "deterrent", we're getting there on the brutality
front too.
I'm surprised that no one so far has pointed out the obvious: the ridiculously high incarceration rate in the U.S. is due in large part to the equally ridiculous drug laws.
ethics,
I don't think any reasonable poster here would equate our justice
system with the Soviet gulag. Balko was probably just dramatizing
the absurdity of the current state of affairs.
Does anyone have stats on the percentage of prisoners who are
incarcerated for non-violent and/or drug offenses? Everyone here
seems to assume that a big chunk of prisoners were just marajuana
smokers, but I've not seem evidence to prove this contention.
It could be that we simply have longer average sentences than other
nations, or we have better policing. There are lots of possible
explanations, not all of which are inherently bad.
For instance, we essentially lock up about 1% of the adult
population. It would certainly not surprise me to discover that 1%
of the population are violent criminals who deserve to be locked
up. I'm not saying that this is so, just that it is a
possibility.
The comparison with South Africa is particularly apt. During
apartheid, blacks could murder and rape each other all they wanted,
with no fear of prison. The authorities just ignored the townships.
Does anyone believe that policing the townships would not have been
an improvement?
Okapi -
It's difficult at this point to draw a bright line between drug
offenses and violent offenses. One aspect of every black market is
the use of violence between market participants to resolve
disputes, since naturally they have no access to the courts. When
you cover a mammoth black market with a failed prohibition policy
for forty years or so, you end up with a mass culture of
violence.
Would urban crime, including violent crime, be at the same level in
the absence of drug prohibition? I don't think it would be.
Okapi,
"Drug offenses account for 49 percent of federal prison population
growth between 1995 and 2003."
That's from an article Paul Craig Roberts wrote sometime last year.
I don't know where he got the data, but Roberts is pretty
scrupulous in this kind of stuff so I'd take him at his word.
It could be that we simply have longer average sentences
than other nations, or we have better policing.
So good policing=lots of people in jail?
Why are American blacks so much more criminal than South African blacks?
But wait, aren't we the model for the world? How could those welfare nanny states over there in Surender Monkey Land be doing better in the freedom department than we are? We even have private prisons don't we?
Would urban crime, including violent crime, be at the same
level in the absence of drug prohibition? I don't think it would
be.
Tough to say. Alcohol is not prohibited and I understand that it is
a factor is an pretty large % of violent crime. Legalizing harder
drugs may mean less "economic" violence but more "drug influenced"
violence.
Of course South Africa has a horific crime problem. My guess
that most people in South Africa would like to see their number
closer to the US and a crime rate closer to the US.
Clearly, we could at least initially lower our prison population by
ending the drug war. The question is how many of the 49% increase
in inmates Paul Craig Roberts says are from drug offenses would
stay out of jail if you released them. My guess is fewer than you
think. Part of the problem with prohibition is that only criminals
sell drugs, which makes the trade violent. If drugs were legalized,
legitimate people and companies would sell them. People who don't
sell drugs now because it is criminal would sell drugs then. But,
the criminals would still be criminals. They would just find other
crimnal activities to support themselves after they got competed
out of the drug market by legitimate firms.
Our problem in this country is that we have a huge criminal under
class. They are still going to be a criminal under class even if
you legalize drugs. I would suggest that Balko go down and spend a
month with a public defender in a major metropolitan area and
listen and talk to all of the guy's clients. I think he will find
that there are just some different cats out there and he might
change his opinion that it is an American gulag. They threw people
in the gulag for no reason. If Balko ever spent any real time
around the criminal justice system, he would know that most people
who go to jail go there for really good reasons. Not that the
system doesn't have huge problems or that some people go to jail
who shouldn't. But, a whole lot of people in jail need to be
there.
The compairson to the gulag also falls apart when we consider the fact that our prisoners are not political prisoners. They're criminals, convicted with due process. Drug prohibition punished with incarceration may be a bad policy choice, but there's really no comparison to a system like China or Soviet Russia where criticizing the government will get you imprisoned with or without due process.
As of 2005 in the U.S., 4,419 of every 100,000 black men
were.
4.4% for all black men. I wonder what the percentage is for black
males 18-35 years of age. Certainly significantly higher. Why can't
any of the drug warrios hear this ticking bomb? I don't condone
civil violence, but when it happens I'll certainly understand it.
Jesse, Al, et al, you need to join with William F. Buckley on
ending the cold war. The left might grow some testes with real
leadership. Is there any liberal/left figure of
note willing to stand up for what's right regardless of the
political fallout?
" How could those welfare nanny states over there in Surender
Monkey Land be doing better in the freedom department than we
are?"
They aren't doing better in the freedom department than we are. The
national degree of freedom is not determined exclusively by prison
statistics. The majority of the population is not in prison. The
degree of freedom is determined by across the board comparisons of
things such as relative tax burdens, regulatory burdens and
government controls over businesses, the level of government
interference in freedom of speech and religion, the right to keep
and bear arms, private property rights, etc, etc.
But but but but...
The other 51% are probably in jail from crimes committed in the
pursuit of funds to pay for the drugs; breaking and entering,
theft, etc.
Ending the drug war (ie; decriminalizing the sale and distribution)
will lower the price of those drugs (Free Market - Demand Kurve -
et al). Reducing the cost of drugs to drug users will reduce the
need for those folks to break into my house and steal my
"stuff".
If it was legal, Charlie average may be able to afford a coupla'
rocks of crack on the wages he earns flipping pancakes at
IHOP.
Or, I could be wrong.
CB
Tough to say. Alcohol is not prohibited and I understand
that it is a factor is an pretty large % of violent crime.
Legalizing harder drugs may mean less "economic" violence but more
"drug influenced" violence.
Maybe not. A show of hands please. Who is going to start using
opiates, amphetamines, barbituates, hallucinogens, or cocaine if
it's legalized. Second question, Who has abstained solely because
of criminalization? Legalization equating increased use hasn't been
demonstrated. Our experience with alcohol prohibition indicates the
opposite.
John,
If the total amount of money in the black market is reduced, some
segment of the population that would be making money there is going
to end up making their money somewhere else.
Violent crime went down with the end of Prohibition for exactly
this reason.
As far as the people who end up with public defenders, how many of
them were already part of a "permanent criminal underclass" when
they first started selling drugs, vs. how many became part of that
cohort because they picked Job A over Job B? Some.
"If it was legal, Charlie average may be able to afford a
coupla' rocks of crack on the wages he earns flipping pancakes at
IHOP."
Dude, Charlie doesn't want to work at IHOP. Charlie is a degernate
fucking criminal who would rather steal than work. He just uses the
"I have a drug problem" as an excuse to be a degernate.
The best man at my wedding is a PD in San Antonio, one of my best
friends from law school does the same in Houston. I am tell you
their clients are not ussually law abiding people caught up in the
drug war. Yeah, those people exist but they are few and far
between. The typical defendent in state or federal court is a
criminal. Guys who steal cars for a living. Guys who break into
houses, rob people. Degenerate drunks who have 6 or more DUIs and
get picked up with a .18 BAC. People who beat their wives and
starve their children. And of course an endless supply of child sex
perverts. Really, go down and sit in a typical criminal court
sometime. You will be amazed.
I am not for the drug war. I think drugs ought to be legalized.
But, if you people think that there are all these people in prison
who are only there because of the drug war, you are kidding
yourself. Ending the drug war is not going to end our crime and
prison problem. If only it would.
Joe,
I agree with you and I think it would help, but even if drugs were
legal the US would still have a huge prison population. I wish
could explain why some people can't seem to hack it as a law
abiding citizen but some can't.
I can buy that, John.
We're talking about somewhere in the neighborhood of maybe a 5-15%
reduction in the prison population.
That ain't peanuts.
Have you ever noticed how there are more men in prison than
women? Women make up half the population, but the prisons have a
whole lot more men than women.
Either the justice system is corrupt or men commit more crimes than
women. To say men are more likely to break the law than women is a
reasonable statement in the face of it all, but the idea that
blacks commit more violent crimes than whites, which is why they're
imprisoned, hasn't made it into the thread so far.
That's easy to explain on a liberal site, but disappointing on a
libertarian, pragmatic, freethinking forum.
Either the justice system is corrupt or men commit more crimes than
women. To say men are more likely to break the law than women is a
reasonable statement in the face of it all, but the idea that
blacks commit more violent crimes than whites, which is why they're
imprisoned, hasn't made it into the thread so far.
An interesting point - perhaps one could make the case that the law
discriminates against men because the ways men naturally tend to
resolve conflict (violence) is outlawed but the various ways women
address conflict are not - even though such techniques as
manipulation, seduction, gossip, etc. can be damaging to
others.
Maybe we imprison more of our citizens than other developed countries do because we have a greater gap between rich and poor. The poor are more likely to be charged with crimes and less able to pay for legal defense. Maybe the market doesn't do a very good job of correcting such inequalities, and government intervention is called for. An intelligent, pragmatic apporach to the right mix of government and market solutions may be what's missing here. Rigid dogmatism and economics don't mix very well.
"""Dude, Charlie doesn't want to work at IHOP. Charlie is a
degernate fucking criminal who would rather steal than work. He
just uses the "I have a drug problem" as an excuse to be a
degernate."""
Generalization is a fallacy.
In reality you don't know what Charlie wants unless you deal with
Charlie. Granted, you are correct for some, but not for all. It's a
case by case basis.
You seem to display the idea that people in prison belong their
because of their intrinsic badness, and they will simply break
another law if let out. That's kinda like saying because John said
something stupid once he is always stupid. I do not agree.
I do agree that drug use is often a scapegoat for bad behavior, but
not for everyone. Sometimes the only bad behavior is the drug use.
But for those that scapegoat the use, and are bad people, then yes,
they will most likely go back to jail. Does Charlie fit in that
group? We can't say by his drug use only.
You do present a good argurement on why we don't need anti-drug
laws. Bad people will end up in prison regardless.
Having read Solzhenitsyn I would take issue with using the term
Gulag to describe American prisons. AmeriKKa isn't Nazi Germany nor
is it the Soviet Union (or even Cuba or China).
IMO, rank hyperbole isn't going to win any converts although it
plays well right here in our little corner of the universe.
That's it, everybody drink. Dan T. is making sense and Joe & John are having a civil argument.
"Maybe we imprison more of our citizens than other developed
countries do because we have a greater gap between rich and poor.
The poor are more likely to be charged with crimes and less able to
pay for legal defense. Maybe the market doesn't do a very good job
of correcting such inequalities, and government intervention is
called for. An intelligent, pragmatic apporach to the right mix of
government and market solutions may be what's missing here. Rigid
dogmatism and economics don't mix very well."
Spare me the old liberal theory of poverty being the "root cause"
of crime.
They've been spouting that for decades and aren't the least bit
capable of proving it.
If poverty caused crime, then all poor people would be criminals.
Actually most of them aren't criminals just as most people from the
other economic strata aren't criminals.
We've also already had lots of "government intervention" in the
form of trillions of dollars of transfer payments for welfare
programs, LBJ's "War on Poverty" etc.
There is no proof that any of that spending ever reduced the crime
rate for any type of crime anywhere in the country at any time.
This is easy, in the future we could simply parole the nonviolent (maybe give them some kind of patch or something to wear) and execute the violent. Our prison population will be among the world's lowest in no time. What was that Heinlein quote about imprisoning people?
This is easy, in the future we could simply parole the
nonviolent (maybe give them some kind of patch or something to
wear) and execute the violent. Our prison population will be among
the world's lowest in no time. What was that Heinlein quote about
imprisoning people?
Beter idea, execute 'em all.
J sub D asks:
Maybe not. A show of hands please. Who is going to start using
opiates, amphetamines, barbituates, hallucinogens, or cocaine if
it's legalized. Second question, Who has abstained solely because
of criminalization? Legalization equating increased use hasn't been
demonstrated. Our experience with alcohol prohibition indicates the
opposite.
I would use if it were legal. I would regularly use coke,
occasionally dabble in the hallucinogens, and would have the rare
hit of opium. Why? Because I enjoy the experience. I wouldn't do
meth, heroin, or pot because they are, respectively, scary, ugly,
and boring.
The sole reason that I do not use drugs is because I have too much
to lose in the event of an arrest--the laws act as a strong
deterrent to me. When I did use, I didn't consider myself an
addict--a belief bolstered by the fact that when I chose to stop
using I simply walked away from drugs and never had an overwhelming
urge to "relapse"--but just a regular guy who likes drugs the same
way he likes booze.
Obviously, I'm just one guy and can't represent much of an answer
to your question. But we rational abstainers do exist.
I'd like to point out that even if drugs were legalized, most
employers have company policies against drug use.
It's not likely that they would change those policies even if drugs
were legalized and companies are within their legal rights to make
that a condition of employment.
So unless a significant percentages of those who want to use drugs
are independently wealthy and don't have to work for a living, I
would think that would still put a crimp in the degree of drug
use.
we should strike "the land of the free" from our national
anthem, I think.
Yes, we should, but possibly not for reasons on which you and I
would agree.
the U.S. gained 62,000 more jail and prison inmates last year,
the biggest increase in six years.
Methinks this might be because we have now criminalized dozens of
behaviors that used to be considered normal, or at most, minor
nuisances?
Ignorance of the law is an excuse as far as I'm
concerned.
Why is this data even surprising when our drug war has expanded
into the realm of public health and safety concerning all illegal
and legal products?
Gilbert,
You're either stupid (my guess) or you're deliberately
misrepresenting my argument. It isn't that the poor are more
criminal; it's rather that poor criminals are more likely to be
caught, charged, and convicted than wealty criminals. In our
society, you can have as much freedom (at least in one sense of the
word) as you can afford to pay for.
Your aboslute faithfulness to the party line makes me think that
you're a libertarian only because the Moonies or some other cult
didn't get to you first.
Reducing the cost of drugs to drug users will reduce the
need for those folks to break into my house and steal my
"stuff".
Maybe... ok, probably.
Ending the drug war, or at least greatly modifying it is something
we need. Badly. But the effects of drugs won't change. A
man that takes too many of the little red pills may still want to
run naked in traffic, and may end up killing a police
officer trying to subdue him. Whether the drug is legal or not will
make no difference. Just an example.
The reason drugs are illegal is largely because people didn't like
the behaviors associated with their use. My guess is any rollback
of the drug war will have to take substances on a case-by-case
basis, and decriminalize the ones which are perceived as the least
harmful or benign. Marijuana should be at the top of that list.
I've read interesting stuff (a long time ago) about prison
psychologists and their findings. The basic point is that there
seems to be a hardcore percentage of the population with
sociopathic tendencies who are simply not wired to "play nice" in
an organized society. In a country of 300 million people, is it
conceivable that a million or so fit that profile?
Now, I certainly favor ending prohibition tomorrow--today would be
be even better. But predatory behavior obviously wouldn't go
away.
It isn't that the poor are more criminal; it's rather that
poor criminals are more likely to be caught, charged, and convicted
than wealty criminals
I disagree with this assessment. Crime is higher in poor
neighborhoods, period. We can argue the reasons for that, or the
causes of that, but to suggest that there's the exact same amount
of crime occurring in a wealthy neighborhood as there is a poor one
is to ignore the patently obvious.
In fact, some studies have shown that wealthier first time offender
can get hit harder for the same offense as a poor repeat offender.
This has been attributed to the fact that a repeat offender begins
to learn the system and can minimize their exposure to harsh
sentencing by making plea deals and the like.
Reducing the cost of drugs to drug users will reduce the
need for those folks to break into my house and steal my
"stuff".
P.S.
Remember the crack problem in the eighties and early nineties?
Crack hit the streets as a cheap, readily available form of
cocaine. Reducing the price of drugs doesn't necessarily abate the
problems associated with their use. Sometimes it makes those
problems cheap, and more readily available.
Very disappointed Radley. Expected better.
If I ran a country and shot everyone who committed a felony and
fined everyone who committed a misdomeaner, how many people do I
have behind bars? ZERO.
Under apartheid every black person in South Africa was in a defacto
prison.
How many prisoners are there in Cuba? With the exception of Fidel,
his brother Raul and the other capos of the communist party,
everybody else.
Lieing with statistics, something I excpect of lessor publications
like the NY Times, LA Times and the Washington Pos, NOT
Reason.
You should be suspended, if not fired.
Paul
Clearly there is a link between poverty and certain kinds of crime.
But poor people don't generally commit crimes such stock fraud,
bankruptcy fraud, bribery, insider trading, embezzlement, computer
crime, medical crime, public corruption, identity theft,
environmental crime, pension fund crime, RICO crimes, consumer
fraud, occupational crime, securities fraud, financial fraud, and
forgery. Such white collar crime costs society about $300 billion a
year. How many white collar criminals do time? Not many, but they
pay big bucks for competent legal defense.
"You're either stupid (my guess) or you're deliberately
misrepresenting my argument. It isn't that the poor are more
criminal; it's rather that poor criminals are more likely to be
caught, charged, and convicted than wealty criminals"
I'm just responding to what you posted - which contained an advocy
for more government intervention (i.e welfare) to allieviate
poverty.
First, your claim about there being all these wealthy criminals out
there who haven't been caught is mere speculation. No one can prove
how many uncaught criminals there are from any economic
strata.
Second, if more poor people are incarcerated simply because it's
somehow easier to catch them rather than them because being poor
making them more criminally inclined to begin with, then increased
government "intervention" to provide welfare will not reduce the
crime rate among poor people and there is no reason to be
advocating such policies as a remedy for crime as you did.
Remember the crack problem in the eighties and early
nineties? Crack hit the streets as a cheap, readily available form
of cocaine. Reducing the price of drugs doesn't necessarily abate
the problems associated with their use. Sometimes it makes those
problems cheap, and more readily available.
Oh come on, put 2 and 2 together here. What happened after the low
cost alternative was introduced to the market? Crack was literally
"cracked" down upon. Harshly. Thus limiting the supply, and raising
the price once again. The crime waves around the "crack epidemic"
came after not before the brutal government limitations in
supply.
"I'd like to point out that even if drugs were legalized, most
employers have company policies against drug use. It's not likely
that they would change those policies even if drugs were
legalized"
Yes, it is likely they would, maybe not immediately but within a
few years. Even now, they make exceptions for employees who use
narcotics, downers, or uppers legally. If the degree of on-the-job
impairment is the same whether the employee's use of the drug is
legal or illegal, the only reason for their policy is legality.
"the only reason for their policy is legality"
Actually, it litigation avoidance.
CB
Clearly there is a link between poverty and certain kinds of
crime. But poor people don't generally commit crimes such stock
fraud, bankruptcy fraud[...]
I don't dispute this. You're wrong on one point though, identity
theft is largely committed by poor unemployed people, often drug
users.
Such white collar crime costs society about $300 billion a
year. How many white collar criminals do time?
I have no idea and have no numbers on this whatsoever. But those
kinds of crimes tend to be investigated by special arms of law
enforcement altogether because any kind of crime which boils down
to forms of accounting fraud are extremely complex, require
years-long investigations and result in long trials. See: Enron.
Which resulted in long prison sentences for these wealthy perps, by
the way.
I think you're conflating two different things here. I understand
your point, but if Jeff Skilling had been caught during his Enron
sabbaticle doing thrill-seeker liquor store holdups with a "born to
lose" tattoo on his arm, he would have very likely been convicted
with a relatively short trial, and done good time for it. Get
it?
Oh come on, put 2 and 2 together here. What happened after
the low cost alternative was introduced to the market? Crack was
literally "cracked" down upon. Harshly. Thus limiting the supply,
and raising the price once again.
Not true. A "rock" of crack can be bought for as little as $5.
Prices will vary based on purity, of course. Both Cocaine and Crack
cocaine have seen significant street price drops despite the
growing intent to "crack" down on it.
Yes, this is due to a number of factors, some attributing it to the
U.S. diverting dollars to fight the war on terror. However, since
2000, the DEA has intensified the focus on Columbia, yet prices
were already falling in the 1990's.
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