Too Many Secrets

One of the biggest challenges for transparency advocates is that many of the federal government’s surveillance programs are so secret that government officials will not even acknowledge their existence. The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) has been challenging surveillance secrecy for years. In June, EFF staff attorney Mark Rumold spoke with Reason TV’s Zach Weissmueller about the organization’s most recent victory and what’s next in the fight to unmask federal snooping. 

Q: The purpose of EFF’s lawsuit against the Department of Justice is to get the details of a ruling against the government by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court [FISC]. When did EFF file this lawsuit, and what are the latest developments in the case?

A: In the run-up to the re-enactment of the FISA [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act] Amendments Act in 2012, Sen. Ron Wyden [D- Ore.] pushed the executive branch very hard to declassify three statements. One of them was that the FISC had held that some of the executive branch’s surveillance under the FISA Amendments Act was unconstitutional. Another was that the FISC had held that the surveillance they conducted had violated the spirit of the law. [The Obama administration] made him conclude that the FISC or the executive branch had corrected those problems.

Q: The FISC is the FISA court.

A: It’s the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, a court established by statute that hears government applications to conduct electronic surveillance in national security cases. So with those public statements made, that was the first time that the public knew the government was conducting surveillance that had been determined to be unconstitutional. We filed a Freedom of Information Act request with the executive branch for that opinion. The executive branch came back, said it’s classified. So we sued, because it’s our position, and it’s actually the executive branch’s position too, that they can’t classify information just to conceal violations of the law.

Q: And that’s interesting, because you are saying you wouldn’t even have known that it was being concealed if it wasn’t for Sen. Wyden saying something about it.

A: And Sen. Wyden couldn’t even say anything about it until it was cleared by the executive branch to say it. So Sen. Wyden, I imagine, pushed very hard to have that information disclosed, and thankfully it was, so we filed suit in the U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., and the government came back with a pretty strange argument. In addition to saying it was classified, their argument was that their hands were tied because of the judiciary. Essentially it was the executive branch trying to point their finger at another branch of government, saying, “Oh, we’d love to disclose this unconstitutional surveillance, but we can’t because of the judiciary.” 

Q: The FISC ended up ruling in your favor.

A: I’m not surprised by the FISC’s decision, because the government’s argument was crazy, and I think the FISC was right to reject it and to reject it quickly. 

Q: You have to navigate all these layers of secrecy just to get the most basic bit of information. What reforms are needed to alleviate that problem? 

A: What the EFF is pushing for is a full, public debate about these surveillance programs, about the scope of the government’s authority. The government has been going about the process in the wrong way. They’ve been doing things behind closed doors. 

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  • Scarecrow Repair||

    I have been reading Merrill Jensen's Founding of a Nation, a history from the Stamp At up to the war, and it is fascinating how the mobs worked. They destroyed government programs, stopped them dead, but did not replace them. They had veto power alone.

    That's what we need today, veto power by people. Doesn't have to be by mobs, but at the very least, sate legislatures, governors, and attorneys general should have some veto over federal actions, and cities and counties should have similar veto power over state actions.

    But governments, especially the feds, are so enmeshed in everybody's lives, with so many people getting some piece of the pie no matter how small, that no one wants to disrupt the gravy train even if it left them more of their own money and liberty and they would be better off overall. Everyone is so worried about somebody else getting a bigger small piece of the pie that they don't dare giver up their piece.

  • From the Tundra||

    Obviously, decentralizing the power, moving it back to the states and municipalities is the only way it could happen. Then you might have a chance of squishing bullshit laws and programs.

    Pretty tall order, though.

  • Scarecrow Repair||

    Oh sure, it will never happen. We will muddle through, ever slower and more stagnant. The only break I could see would be for China, or India, or some other emerging powerhouse, to see the folly of our example and kick our butt economically from fewer regulations. But even that wouldn't really reform governance, it would just be a temporary reprieve from some bureaucracy.

  • Acosmist||

    China and India are about as likely to be less regulated than we are as Obama is to resign.

  • Cytotoxic||

    China is becoming less regulated and India will too.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Fraser Institute of Economic Freedom:

    US (17th place), China (123rd place), India (111th place)

    Heritage Index of Economic Freedom:

    US (10th), China (136th), India (119th)

    China and India surpassing the US in economic freedom would be a tectonic shift, and a highly unlikely one.

  • Cytotoxic||

    I meant to say that India and China are becoming less regulated than they were.

  • OneOut||

    They just put a teenager in jail for criticizing his local police force online.

    Regulations are regulations whether they are called a regulation, law, code or whatever.

    China is far from unregulated. They do have good PR though.

  • CE||

    Oh it will happen. The fedgov will collapse from overspending, overborrowing and overprinting. When interest rates hit double digits, the interest alone on the national debt will bankrupt the feds.

  • Irish||

    The world is actually becoming freer over time. That's one of the reasons poverty is dropping so rapidly. There are more developing nations that are liberal Democracies than ever before.

    I think globally we're headed in a good direction. It's just that the West is rotting and the rest of the planet is picking our bones clean.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    ...ish. Far and away, the freest countries are still overwhelmingly located in what would traditionally be considered the West and states on its periphery. Certainly the situation is better than it was in the past, where only the US and a few others could be considered remotely free, but don't expect Angola to start hosting productive stock exchanges anytime soon.

  • OneOut||

    Yep. You should go to Argentina and try to wipe your ass on some liberal Democrat toilet paper there.

    Guess what. They don't have any toilet paper in Argentina because it is a liberal Democracy as you define Democracy. Those in charge don't know how to run a country for it's people to prosper..

  • Irish||

    Yeah, clearly when I wrote that I meant only Argentina.

    You got me. My ideal of a liberal Democracy is the hyper socialist Argentina. I'm glad you were here to explain to everyone what I was secretly saying.

  • np||

    I'm all up for states vetoing the Fed, counties vetoing the states, cities vetoing the counties, all the way down to individuals vetoing the cities.

    Ultimately though it takes guns (and probably a lot more) to make that happen. Like what happened in Guerrero, Mexico earlier this year:
    http://news.yahoo.com/mexican-.....30439.html

    They arrested 12 police and the former director of public security in the town after a leader of the state's vigilante movement was slain on Monday.
  • Irish||

    A tourist heading to the beach with relatives was slightly wounded Tuesday after they refused to stop at a roadblock and vigilantes fired shots at their car, officials said.

    Yeah, not sure these guys are great examples of positive change.

    I think that fighting the drug dealers and standing up to their corrupt government are both noble deeds, but the Mexican vigilantes have lapsed into all kinds of authoritarian tactics.

  • CE||

    Nonviolence is the way to go. Just stop funding those guys.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Nonviolence only works to the extent that others are willing to accept the premises of the nonviolent.

    I will remind you that the country you currently inhabit only exists on account of violent resistance.

  • OneOut||

    if that country is the USA it's because of a superior ability to impose organized violence upon their enemies.

    And that is a good thing if you enjoy speaking English and going to the beach when you want!

    USA USA USA

  • ||

    no one wants to disrupt the gravy train

    The essence of politics can be summed up in two words..."free shit".

    It is the only power a politician has to obtain votes. Steal from a minority and promise the loot to the majority. If we were to eliminate the ability for politicians to do this, political parties would immediately evaporate. After all, how would one side distinguish itself from the other if all government did was protect our rights with the powers granted them in the Constitution?

  • VG Zaytsev||

    They could always go to the democrat party's playbook of stirring up hatred.

  • ||

    But it only works if you can promise to take something away from the hated and give some of it to the un-hated.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Jim Crow stole black peoples liberty but didn't give it to white people - in fact whites were worse off in the states that enforced Jim Crow than they were in other states.

    And recently the mythical republican war on womyns didn't include promises to give the women folk free stuff.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Indeed. Redeemer governments in the South originally tried to explicitly restrict the franchise to whites but were overruled by the Supreme Court; their workaround was to have poll taxes and literacy tests, which naturally disenfranchised most poor whites as well. Nevertheless, Southern white support for the Democrats was at an all-time high afterwards and there was not a serious challenge to the 'Solid South' (either from working class whites or anyone else) for almost a century.

  • OneOut||

    The Dems were trying to give them free birth control.

    Cheap hos. Birth control is only a few dollars a month.

    They could have held out for something better than that.

  • Killazontherun||

    As Irish alludes to below, rebellions no matter how well intentioned have a tendency to break down into authoritarian tactics. Even the 76ers did some awful things to advance their cause. Historical momentum rarely goes the way of the planners, and we were highly fortunate to get the constitutional republic that we did. Even that devolved into the current parasitical monstrosity.

    I see the best possibility for social progress occurring through passive resistance in the evolution of the gray market. Replication devices are becoming real, Bitcoin is proving to be a tough nut for the state to crack, and that concept will certainly evolve, and how we pattern our own lives for betterment will become more in sync with these ideas. How we produce and how we measure our wealth will be done more and more through means that the government cannot easily tax.

  • Scarecrow Repair||

    I've thought of the semi-underground gray market too, with darknets like the silk road the beginning. In some ways Disney has helped; their copyright wet dreams fence them in to their corner as much as fence everybody else out. People are learning that the real entertainment isn't the copyrighted factory music, but stuff they can mash and mix. Downfall parodies got to the point that the Downfall owners tried to stop it and just got Downfalled in the process.

    3D printers will further blur the lines. The government and big business cronies will find themselves in rigid control of an ever smaller and more irrelevant part of society.

    I think that's part of what I mean by muddling through. The regulated markets will have less and less importance to most people.

  • Hollywood||


    Even the 76ers did some awful things to advance their cause


    Yes, including acquiring Royce White from the Houston Rockets.

  • Killazontherun||

    Exactly!

  • OneOut||

    Suckers !

  • Hyperion||

    But if everyone knows what the government is doing, the terrorists(that would be us serfs) will win! How can we protect our elitists inside the beltway if us terrorists know everything?

  • Dallas H.||

    SEATAC ASTRONOMY

    (Nice "Sneakers" reference in the title, Reason)

  • playa manhattan||

    That's how we can keep our data secure! Anagrams!

  • ||

    Wouldn't that be SETEC ASTRONOMY?

  • playa manhattan||

    Needs an "A"

  • ||

    SETEC ASTRONOMY?

    Martin works out that "Setec Astronomy" is an anagram of "too many secrets", and issues a lockdown until they can turn the box over the next day.
  • playa manhattan||

    Sorry, Hung over. And I triple checked my work. I owe you a beer.

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    So this one time, the US Air Force nearly obliterated North Carolina

    A secret document, published in declassified form for the first time by the Guardian today, reveals that the US Air Force came dramatically close to detonating an atom bomb over North Carolina that would have been 260 times more powerful than the device that devastated Hiroshima.

    The document, obtained by the investigative journalist Eric Schlosser under the Freedom of Information Act, gives the first conclusive evidence that the US was narrowly spared a disaster of monumental proportions when two Mark 39 hydrogen bombs were accidentally dropped over Goldsboro, North Carolina on 23 January 1961. The bombs fell to earth after a B-52 bomber broke up in mid-air, and one of the devices behaved precisely as a nuclear weapon was designed to behave in warfare: its parachute opened, its trigger mechanisms engaged, and only one low-voltage switch prevented untold carnage.

    Each bomb carried a payload of 4 megatons – the equivalent of 4 million tons of TNT explosive. Had the device detonated, lethal fallout could have been deposited over Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia and as far north as New York city – putting millions of lives at risk.

    Well Mr. President I don't think it's fair to condemn an entire program because of a single slip-up.

  • ||

    So, the switch worked precisely as it was supposed to, preventing the detonation of an unarmed weapon?

    Jones found that of the four safety mechanisms in the Faro bomb, designed to prevent unintended detonation, three failed to operate properly.

    So, the QUADRUPLE, redundancy built into the system prevented a detonation?

    Some serious spin on that article.

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    According to Wikipedia the bomb went through most of the steps required to arm itself, and that the only thing that prevented detonation was that last fail-safe.

    That's too close for comfort, as far as I'm concerned.

  • ||

    While I'd agree that it'd have better if none failed, I suspect the 4th switch was probably put in there on the off chance that A, B, and C were taken out by X.

    I can see that meeting. Some geeky engineer raises his hand and says, "What if the plane explodes and the resulting overpressure disables all three safety measures?"

    Everyone else in the room rolls their eyes at the unlikely probability, but says, "Alright, go ahead and add another switch."

    That one geek saved countless millions.

    Didn't the Space Shuttle have quadruple redundant computers? No wonder it cost so much.

  • TMLutas||

    I believe it was triple computers with two minimum having to agree to act.

  • OneOut||

    Im kinda pissed that we pay all that money for a bomb that didn't work. What if it was the real deal and it didn't go off as planned over some evil city full of people we don;r like ?

  • playa manhattan||

    The author takes a lot of shit in the comments section, and it looks like he replies to everyone...

  • Agammamon||

    Wow, you can't detonate a nuclear weapon simply by dropping it - worst possible case is you (somehow) set off the explosive layer and get a dirty bomb. Which will most likely pollute an area no larger than a mile on side.

    Even without fail-safes the most likely thing to happen is the bomb simply breaks up on impact.

  • ||

    Slate: Replanting the World's Concrete Jungles, One Wall at a Time

    In fact, every one of Blanc’s vertical gardens is a revelation, making you wonder why city governments around the world don’t use vertical gardens more often when such an elegant solution exists for reintroducing nature into manmade environments.

    Paris is currently striving to green the city. But the effort includes letting weeds grow in the formerly manicured asphalt and the planting of more trees. Blanc’s striking garden was the initiative of a private landlord who wanted to beautify his neighborhood.

    You're so close slate, focus now.

    Of course, as an urban planner pointed out to me, many boring, blank, graffiti-splashed urban walls belong to private citizens, not cities themselves, which tend to own horizontal space like sidewalks and traditional gardens.

    Wait! This is a dark path. Try again.

    And then there is the matter of getting people to spend money on what are still perceived as somewhat radical or luxurious ideas. [...]But imitators the world over have found ways to get plants on walls for less; even Lowe’s sells vertical wall planters to help space and cash-strapped urban dwellers in need of greenery.

    Say it with me: "Thanks capitalism."

  • ||

    That IS actually very beautiful.

  • ||

    Especially considering the before pictures. I saw some walls like this (on a much smaller scale) and it's pretty brilliant in its simplicity when you can get close up to it. I really like the way nature chipping away at the edges of artifice like including moss and ivy covered old buildings, so I'd be really happy to see this style take off.

  • Killazontherun||

    many boring, blank, graffiti-splashed urban walls belong to private citizens, not cities themselves

    It's almost as if you are describing people. People conditioned to urban planning, no less!

  • Killazontherun||

    many boring, blank, graffiti-splashed urban walls belong to private citizens, not cities themselves

    It's almost as if you are describing people. People conditioned to urban planning, no less!

  • ||

    3PM

  • Archduke of Pantsfan||

    *spooky music plays*

  • Killazontherun||

    In squirrel, that's 420AM

  • Killazontherun||

    The environmentalist will learn to hate them and start banning them as soon as they realize the potential they have to cool down heat sinks and skew the numbers in the least preferred direction.

  • OneOut||

    Notice how the people "doing it for less" are called "imitators" ?

  • ||

    Innovators may have been preferable but if you're coming at it from an aesthetics standpoint rather than a technological one, imitator is appropriate.

  • Archduke of Pantsfan||

    The Economist: The deal over Syria’s chemical weapons marks a low for those who cherish freedom

  • Snark Plissken||

    But when the emerging world’s aspiring democrats seek to topple tyrants, they will remember what happened in Syria. And they won’t put their faith in the West.

    Is someone slicing onions in here? How could the US let all those future aspiring democracies down so badly?

  • ||

    Is that a Cleveland Browns reference?

  • Snark Plissken||

    Is there a more aspiring democracy than Cleveland?

  • Almanian!||

    Weekend at Bernie Kosar's

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    ...you wouldn’t even have known that it was being concealed if it wasn’t for Sen. Wyden saying something about it.

    Wyden is a narcissistic traitor who should seek asylum in Russia.

  • Archduke of Pantsfan||

    This guy can't be related to Nick, right?

    Veteran journalist Bill Gillespie travels to the USA to discover the impact of "right to work" laws on working people.
    "Made in the USA"

  • Archduke of Pantsfan||

    note: the above is a campaign ad.

  • Generic Stranger||

    He's Nick's evil twin brother. (I'm assuming he's against RTW.)

  • Irish||

    Note to Bill Gillespie: The South isn't where American wages have dropped. They've primarily dropped in California, the Northeast, and the Midwest. The South has actually seen a rapid increase in wages over the last 40 years, right around the time they jettisoned the Dixiecrats.

    So why isn't Gillespie going to Detroit or California to find the reasons for the collapse of wages in historically booming parts of America?

  • CE||

    Weissmueller, eh? It's easy for Tarzan's son to criticize the NSA -- Tarzan never had any email or phone or anything else to hide from them.

  • Nazdrakke||

    Never read this before. Saw it linked over at AoS.

    THE FIRST BASIC LAW

    The First Basic Law of Human Stupidity asserts without ambiguity that

    Always and inevitably everyone underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation.

    Kinda long. Worth a read.

  • sarcasmic||

    Thank you for posting that.

    Someone once explained it to me like this:

    A wise person learns from the mistakes of others.
    A smart person learns from their own mistakes.
    A stupid person doesn't learn.

    But that link of yours, while less concise, provides a good explanation for a lot of human behavior.

  • OneOut||

    It makes more sense to me like this.

    A wise person HAS learned from others.
    A smart person CAN learn from others.
    A stupid person will NEVER learn.

  • Archduke of Pantsfan||

    Kelsey Grammer Ready for a Fight in ‘Expendables 3

  • Snark Plissken||

    I'm totally down for that. Kelsey has a wicked dahk side.

  • Snark Plissken||

    I'm totally down for that. Kelsey has a wicked dahk side.

  • Snark Plissken||

    I can't believe the squirrels turned on me, I was one of the beautiful people. I thought we had an arrangement!

  • Almanian!||

    They all think that. Right up to the betrayal.

  • ||

    Generation Opportunity, apparently a tentacle of the KOCHTOPUS, is showing ads against Obamacare including this one on college campuses. I guess there's another one that involves stirrups and a speculum for the ladies.

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    Yeah, this one

    That Uncle Sam is creepier than the Burger King mascot.

    Of course, this just factors into the War on Wimmenz since Republicans want to stop women from having an abortion.

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    Highly rated comment:

    Sachmo Martinez 3 hours ago
    Not that the government would be in your business like the republicans want them to be. Why are REPUBLICANS always trying to get between a womans legs? Obamacare tells insurance companies that they can't rape you anymore. The government is not involved in your healthcare, only its regulations. REPUBLICANS are trying to come between you and your doctor by having women who want abortions RAPED with uneccessary VAGINAL PROBES. REPUBLICANS want to come between you and your doctor.

    Government is not involved in healthcare, only its regulations???????????

  • ||

    The argument presumes a monolithic conservative movement, that the same people who are arguing that the state should be less involved in healthcare re:obamacare, are the same people who agitated for more mandatory testing re:abortions.

    At the same time, the SoCons have given liberals an arrow in their quiver when arguing against the libertarian criticism of Obamacare, even if that's an unfair conflation of two very different ideologies, it resonates.

  • Killazontherun||

    So does the stupid, as highly rated commenter Sachmo Martinez shows above. That's willful ignorance, and there is nothing you can do about that beyond minimizing the impact that the Sach-shmoes have on your own life. They are invincibly ignorant, would put their and their children's own well being below advancing the progressive state, and even good pr for libertarians that differentiates us from the socons will not change that.

  • Irish||

    Obamacare tells insurance companies that they can't rape you anymore.

    What.

  • ||

    I'm tired of your insurance company rape denialism, Irish. Just because taking it rough from Aetna is what gets your rocks off, doesn't mean that the rest of us normal folk don't consider it rape-rape.

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    It isn't rape because he hasn't gotten pregnant. The Irish body has a way of shutting that whole thing down.

  • Cytotoxic||

    That much alcohol will do that.

  • Almanian!||

    I thought the Irish were against auto-abortion.

  • Snark Plissken||

    No, they were against living in a country wit'out a decent flight of stairs.

  • Pathogen||

    "It isn't rape because he hasn't gotten pregnant..."

    Victims of “legitimate rape” very rarely get pregnant because their bodies prevent them from doing so, or so I'm told...

  • Rich||

    Obamacare tells insurance companies that they can't rape you anymore.

    "Back off, punks, this bitch is all mine now."

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    Transgender teen elected homecoming queen

    The principal at Marina High School in Huntington Beach had made a vow before one of his students – a transgender teen – was crowned homecoming queen Friday night.

    "If Marina High School is to make high-profile news during its homecoming week this year," Principal Paul Morrow said before the ceremony, "then we are proud that the message is one of equity and individual respect."

    Cassidy Lynn Campbell, who was born male but told The Times she always felt like a girl, broke down in tears during the homecoming ceremony at the school’s football game.

    "If I win it would mean that the school recognizes me as the gender I always felt I was," Cassidy, 16, told The Times before the election.

    "But with all the attention, I realized it's bigger than me," she said. "I'm doing this for the kids who can't be themselves."

    She must be popular.

  • Almanian!||

    Huh. I don't remember who was homecoming queen any of my years in HS. But I smoked a LOT of pot, so that might be why.

    I DO know that none of them was transgendered.

    Well, at least I THINK I know that...

  • sarcasmic||

    My senior year the homecoming queen was a dyke. I don't think anyone really thought of her that way, but she had a crew cut and was better at sports than most of the guys. That's why she won. Name recognition. She was in the paper every week for some stupid high school sports thing.

    I voted for the skinny blonde, but I think you already knew that.

  • Almanian!||

    John voted for the future chub. But you knew that...

  • sarcasmic||

    That would have been Nicole. The fat chick who made it onto the ballot because she was popular for putting out.

  • playa manhattan||

    "popular for putting out"
    Democracy!

  • Pathogen||

    "Democracy!"

    Giving the people what they want == to "free shit"?

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Doesn't look or sound like a girl.

    PC nonsense gone amok.

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    I guess at that school most guys can't follow Sean Connery's advice:

    Losers whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen.

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    "I'm doing this for the kids who can't be themselves."

    yeaaahhhhhhh riiiiggggghhhhhht

    At least be honest. She likes the attention.

  • Almanian!||

    Way to go, Michigan State! Let those fucking Mick Catholic pricks win, and let down the Orangemen one. more. time.

  • ||

    io9 posts story predicated on "race to the bottom" economy Comments are depressing.


    I can't tell you how many years I've spent working for nothing because it was supposed to lead to a paying job. It never did. Even recently a former coworker brought me in to a start up that didn't have a lot of money but needed help. The situation went from "we can't pay you much" to "we can't pay you anything, but it'll be good experience (and when we get more funding, we can pay you)." I ended up spending a fair amount of money to do the job. I realized I wasn't ever going to get anything out of it when talk of potential future jobs started being contingent on showing sufficient "passion" (i.e. presumably working more unpaid hours). I still stuck with it to the end. Having "learned my lesson," I'm now involved with another, completely unfunded start up, where I'm starting to think any financial rewards will turn out to be equally illusive even if it does raise funds...

    and occasionally American-esque:

    The expansion of the labor market engineered by the 1% under the guise of Feminism both destroyed the family, inflated labor, and marginalized men's ability to fund a family. Moms and dads, things of the past.

    But with fertility in a nosedive, all this will be a problem for the immigrants.
  • Sevo||

    Jesse, seems I should be long violins. My word, there's a bunch of whining going on.

  • ||

    Are they tiny violins? I LOOOOOOVE tiny violins, especially when they are playing the saddest song.

  • Irish||

    Wow. They managed to hit both sides of the idiot scale.

    Question: Isn't IO9 supposed to be a sci-fi blog for people who found Star Trek: Into Darkness too challenging? Why are they writing about this?

  • Irish||

    The expansion of the labor market engineered by the 1% under the guise of Feminism both destroyed the family, inflated labor, and marginalized men's ability to fund a family. Moms and dads, things of the past.

    But with fertility in a nosedive, all this will be a problem for the immigrants.

    Yeah. That explains why countries where women aren't allowed to work are always so much richer than the ones where they are.

    I mean, third world hell holes like the United States and England allow women to work whereas enlightened, hyper-wealthy countries like Saudi Arabia treat women like dependents and force them to rely on virile men.

    Do the math, America.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    -That explains why countries where women aren't allowed to work are always so much richer than the ones where they are.

    Well said.

  • Virginian||

    Eh, there is a lot to be said for a breadwinner/homemaker family, as opposed to breadwinner/breadwinner where one breadwinner's entire income goes to childcare and other costs associated with the lack of a full time homemaker. Note the gender neutral terms here. While most men gravitate toward breadwinner, and most women toward homemaker it doesn't have to be that way. Certainly gay couples with children often seem to fall into a traditional set up quite often, in my experience. Because it makes a lot of sense, and has for thousands of years. What's changed now is that instead of it always being a man working, now you have more families where the woman is the one with a better paying job.

  • Irish||

    I seriously disagree about his argument being gender neutral. Look at the first sentence:

    The expansion of the labor market engineered by the 1% under the guise of Feminism

    He's explicitly saying that feminism allowed women to work and that this is a bad thing.

    The problem with modern America isn't that women as a part of two parent homes are working. Two parent homes aren't the ones having problems. The problem is that a large portion of the increase in women in the workforce is the result of an explosion in low income single mothers being the sole money maker in a family. The collapse of low income families is the problem, not the fact that women work as part of a two parent household.

  • Irish||

    Sorry. I see that you were saying that YOUR argument is gender neutral, not that the original guy's was gender neutral. The rest of my point stands.

  • ||

    How about breadwinner/breadwinner NO KIDS?

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    Rand Paul: Obamacare most likely cannot be repealed or defeated

    Republican Sen. Rand Paul says President Barack Obama’s health care law probably can’t be defeated or gotten rid of. And he’s suggesting there is little he and other congressional Republicans can do to stop the law from taking effect.
    Speaking to reporters Saturday at a gathering of Michigan Republicans, Paul says Republicans could use votes on measures in the House and in the Senate to come up with compromise legislation. But the Kentucky Republican says that time for that is running out.
    An opponent of the law many call “Obamacare,” Paul says he’s acknowledging that, in his words, “we probably can’t defeat or get rid of Obamacare.”
    He says that working from the position of not funding the health care law might help render it, quote, “less bad.”

    Apostate! Stone HIM!

  • Jordan||

    Now I eagerly await all the idiots who are bashing Suderman to bash Rand for doing the same thing: pointing out the obvious.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    No one is bashing Suderman for "pointing out the obvious"; every single person supporting Cruz's strategy recognizes that it is a long-shot for *repeal* in that particular legislative session. The idea is to keep Obamacare in play as a political issue and to force elected officials to go on record regarding Obamacare. This is something that Suderman ignores in his reckless characterization of Cruz strategy supporters as being equivalent to unicorn believers -- that is an unfair and deceitful characterization, as the people pushing this strategy are themselves not confused as to the likelihood of a repeal bill being passed by this Congress or signed into law by this President.

  • Hyperion||

    The Dems own it. Let them own it.

  • Winston||

    No one is bashing Suderman for "pointing out the obvious"; every single person supporting Cruz's strategy recognizes that it is a long-shot for *repeal* in that particular legislative session. The idea is to keep Obamacare in play as a political issue and to force elected officials to go on record regarding Obamacare. This is something that Suderman ignores in his reckless characterization of Cruz strategy supporters as being equivalent to unicorn believers -- that is an unfair and deceitful characterization, as the people pushing this strategy are themselves not confused as to the likelihood of a repeal bill being passed by this Congress or signed into law by this President.

    This. Also those comments by Paul and Suderman are hilariously unselfaware. Pretty much everything libertarians support has no chance of passing Congress or Obama. There is zero chance of legislation passing to weaken or eliminate the NSA but I don't see anyone pointing on that out.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Hell, if anything this has *more* of a chance of passing than the many quixotic crusades Ron Paul embarked on which were uncritically praised by Reason.

  • Hyperion||

    Well, he would of course, be correct, because there is no way for the GOP to get a repeal through the senate, let alone getting the bone head in chief to sign it.

    Maybe it's better this way. After the ensuing clusterfuck of a train wreck when this is fully implemented, it will probably adversely effect the demotards for the next few elections.

    My biggest concern is the enormous loss of privacy and infringement on civil rights that this monster will ensure.

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    My thoughts on this was simply pass a repeal bill and get everyone on record has having voted for or against, let the Demotards reject it in conference and get the best deal you can on budget cuts with regard to funding the government and averting a shutdown.

    My biggest concern is the enormous loss of privacy and infringement on civil rights that this monster will ensure.

    Things have to get worse before they get better.

  • Hyperion||

    Things have to get worse before they get better

    Unfortunately, you are likely correct. And it could get very bad indeed.

    The other thing that really pisses me, though, if it is true, is that congress are giving themselves huge insurance subsidies far in excess of what any other American can get at that income level.

    If that is true and the Republicans do not use the hell out of that in the 2014 elections, then they truly are the stupid party, and there is no hope for them outside of a complete libertarian insurgence and take over. Well, outside of that, they are pretty much toast anyway.

  • Winston||

    Things have to get worse before they get better.

    You Know Who Else believed that?

  • Sevo||

    Guy named Churchill?

  • Ted S.||

  • Sevo||

    "Republican Sen. Rand Paul says President Barack Obama’s health care law probably can’t be defeated or gotten rid of. And he’s suggesting there is little he and other congressional Republicans can do to stop the law from taking effect."

    Maybe when it does 'take effect' (long after it was supposed to), some folks will see what's in it and get pissed.
    My fear is they'll get pissed at, oh, insurance companies or some such rather than that stinking hag and her boss.

  • Hyperion||

    Maybe when it does 'take effect' (long after it was supposed to), some folks will see what's in it and get pissed.
    My fear is they'll get pissed at, oh, insurance companies or some such rather than that stinking hag and her boss.

    People are going to get pissed alright. But it probably won't be blamed on insurance companies, as much as their rage will be directed at medical providers. A very large percentage of people in this country are pretty damn ignorant. They are too uninformed to see behind the scenes, and far too lazy to even make the effort to try.

  • Ted S.||

    The Democrats are going to take that rage and claim this this is proof that we need single-payer.

    For my part, I will continue to beat the drum for single-payer legal care. If it's good enough to put such restrictions on medical care, it's good enough to put the same restrictions on lawyers.

  • Rich||

    If it's good enough to put such restrictions on medical care, it's good enough to put the same restrictions on lawyers.

    Right on, Ted, but why stop there? We should obviously make everything single-payer.

  • Ted S.||

    I pick single-payer legal care in part because there's actually something in the Constitution about the right to counsel (sure, it's only for the defense of criminal cases, but it's still there), and partly because of all the lawyers in our legislatures.

  • Sevo||

    "For my part, I will continue to beat the drum for single-payer legal care. If it's good enough to put such restrictions on medical care, it's good enough to put the same restrictions on lawyers."

    I think that's a great idea, and I also think we need to make clear what 'professionals' in the single-payer fields are paid!

  • Ted S.||

    Most of the time when I mention single-payer legal care, I go on to mention that of course there's no lawyer out there who does anything worth more than minimum wage.

  • Sevo||

    I have an acquaintance ex-pat from Canada. An MD. Seems he'd rather practice in the US for some reason or other...

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    -N. Carolina County Bans ‘Invisible Man’

    -All copies of Ralph Ellison's National Book Award–winning novel Invisible Man will be removed from a North Carolina county's school libraries. The Randolph County Board of Education voted to ban the critically acclaimed 1952 book from its reading list. Invisible Man was named one of the top 100 English-language novels of the 20th century by Time magazine in 2010, but according to the parent whose complaint sparked the vote, "This book is filthier, too much for teenagers." The board's chair said he thought the novel was "a hard read," while another board member said he "didn't find any literary value" in it.

  • Irish||

    Someone posted that earlier today. I do understand questioning whether a particular book is appropriate for people in high school, but this:

    The board's chair said he thought the novel was "a hard read," while another board member said he "didn't find any literary value" in it.

    is total idiocy. Of course it's a hard read. It's about a black guy in the 1930's South who eventually moves to Harlem and sees a friend of his get shot dead by white police officers. It's a disturbing read because it's about a disturbing period in American idiocy.

    Claiming that Invisible Man has no literary value is also total nonsense. I personally don't see how anything in Invisible Man is too disturbing for modern high schoolers, but maybe I have more faith in people than the idiots who made this decision.

  • Sevo||

    "Of course it's a hard read"

    "The Brothers Karamazov" or for that matter "Moby Dick" were both harder, but I'll bet they don't get banned.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Funny you should mention "The Brothers Karamazov", since Ellison was influenced by Dostoevsky in his writing.

  • Irish||

    I think he meant 'emotionally hard' because of the subject matter rather than 'a difficult read' like Moby Dick. Invisible Man, like most of the books that came out of the Harlem Renaissance, has A LOT of sexual dysfunction and disturbing subject matter. Near the end there's a woman who has a fetish about being raped by a black man and tries to get the narrator to do so.

    I do think that there's nothing in Invisible Man that would be worse than the sort of shit that modern 16 year olds say to each other. It was definitely disturbing at the time it was released though, and I could still see some dweeb on a school board being shocked by it.

  • Ted S.||

    Just watch the William Shatner version of The Brothers Karamazov instead.

  • Sevo||

    No, I am NOT clicking on that!

  • Ted S.||

    Surely your browser will inform you of the URL when you hover over a link. (Hint: it's a page at IMDb. It's perfectly safe for work.)

  • Sevo||

    I wasn't concerned about SFW; it's the thought of Shatner 'interpreting' the B-K that stopped me cold.
    Wanna hear him sing "Rocket Man"? have a ball!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lul-Y8vSr0I

  • Ted S.||

    You could always watch him act with Spencer Tracy in Judgment at Nuremburg.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    I question how much a person with no historical understanding of the period could get out of Invisible Man. It is of course nonsense to say that the book has no literary value at all, but given the pathetic state of history education and historical context of the themes in play I doubt the ability of public schools to use the material soundly. It is the kind of book that would be used in a Black Studies class to teach ignorant college students about how black identity in American is permanently rooted in Marxist dialectics or somesuch nonsense.

  • Sevo||

    The Immaculate Trouser| 9.21.13 @ 9:00PM |#
    "I question how much a person with no historical understanding of the period could get out of Invisible Man"...

    A valid question, but there's the question from the opposite direction:
    Might it not excite interest in that time of US history to provide the context?
    I've certainly more than a few books which were placed in a background unknown to me which then aroused interest in that background.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Or even better yet, the History teacher and the Literature teacher could get together and plan lessons that work off of each others curriculum.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    That would be a good way to go about it. I think it is beyond the ken of most high school public teachers, though; I wouldn't trust most BAs or MAs in Education to write a decent academic paper on the historical period, much less to attempt an interdisciplinary education on the subject in a way that's halfway intelligent or creative.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    If you're teaching in a high school post-NCLB, then you must have had a degree in your subject area on top of your Ed. degree, as per the "highly trained" doctrine established by the law.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    I did not know that.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Actually, let me amend that. That's true in NH, but I forgot that the definition of "highly qualified teacher" was left up to each state; however, I would imagine that it's true for most states.

  • Sevo||

    Heroic Mulatto| 9.21.13 @ 9:31PM |#
    "If you're teaching in a high school post-NCLB, then you must have had a degree in your subject area on top of your Ed. degree,..."

    That still leaves a ton of 'teachers' who can 'teach', but don't have any idea what they are 'teaching'.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Again, if we're talking about secondary ed., not exactly. There is no grandfathering in, those teachers have to prove their "highly qualified" status in a certain amount of time. That's why we saw a bunch of them going back to school in the early 2000s.

  • Sevo||

    "That's why we saw a bunch of them going back to school in the early 2000s."

    INTERESTING!
    Mr and Mrs Sevo know several folks who decided to retire from teaching about that time, since it was just getting too difficult!
    VERY interesting!

  • Sevo||

    I was fortunate enough to have a history teacher to whom memorizing dates /= 'learning' history.
    'Oh, you mean this came about because of some other activity?! Amazing!'

  • Irish||

    It's a disturbing read because it's about a disturbing period in American idiocy.

    I meant American history, but I think American idiocy actually works in context when you're talking about 1930's race relations.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • Sevo||

    An aside to all this: Re-re-reading Post War (Judt), highly recommended.
    Remember 1957? Sputnik? How US secondary ed was the pits? Well, in 1970, France graduated 20% of that age cohort from (what we call) high-school. Pretty easy to deliver high quality ed to a small group.
    Also: Lefty profs in tertiary ed. Bad problem, how did it come about? Well, the boomers meant there was a huge cattle call for profs in the '60s; they took anything that could fog a mirror. Lefties are a dime a dozen and they *can* fog a mirror.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Also: Lefty profs in tertiary ed. Bad problem, how did it come about?

    Perhaps, but the foundations were laid in place during the 1920's and 1930's when things like "socialism" and "eugenics" were in the academic vogue. And let's not forget the ideological monopoly Dewey has over the education industry in general. (For good and ill)

  • Sevo||

    "Perhaps, but the foundations were laid in place during the 1920's and 1930's when things like "socialism" and "eugenics" were in the academic vogue."

    That's where those dime-a-dozen lefties came from. Judt somehow offers sympathy for Sarte, who never quite comes to terms with that murderous regime 200 miles to the east.
    And the US 'intellectuals' were no better.

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    From the comments at Slate:

    Retired UN Helicopter Pilot
    Since when does the Tea Party want to end the War On Drugs?

    chimneysweep
    Rand Paul has been talking about it well before Holder and the Obama administration, but I don't the know about the TP itself. RP and Pat Leahy are co-authors of the Safety Valve Act, which allows federal judges greater flexibility in regard to mandatory minimums.

    Trebuchet
    So?

    I have been talking about decriminalizing drugs for years, longer than Paul Ron and guess what? I have been just as effective.

    Libertarians are great at talking, just like the rest of us. Obama gets things done.

    THIS IS WHAT LIBERALS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

  • Sevo||

    "Obama gets things done."

    Well, not really. And when, by accident, he does, we'd rather he didn't.

  • Hyperion||

    Libertarians are great at talking, just like the rest of us. Obama gets things done.

    This is one of the people that makes me want to put the NAP on hold for a few, so that I can take him out behind the woodshed and try to bitch slap the reality back into him.

    He has drank the Kool-Aid to the point of serious brain damage.

  • Winston||

    Libertarians are great at talking, just like the rest of us. Obama gets things done.

    How is this more inaccurate then "Obamacare can't be repealded"?

  • Winston||

    Not to mention you defended Rand for essentially proving that argument.

  • Hyperion||

    Obamacare can't be repealed now because the Senate is controlled by Democrats.

    Did Obama get that little war in Syria that he wanted, done? Why not?

  • Winston||

    Obamacare can't be repealed now because the Senate is controlled by Democrats.

    How is that more realistic than what Cruz is doing? Also the Dems will filibuster oh and Obama will still be President.

    Did Obama get that little war in Syria that he wanted, done? Why not?

    Red Herring, you ignored my question.

  • Hyperion||

    Cruz is doing what he promised he would do. Cruz knows he can't do it, but at least he is trying.

    Libertarians cannot get as much done as Obama, of course, there isn't a Libertarian POTUS and only a few of us on congress. But the things that they are trying to do, are good things. Name one good thing that Obama has done.

    Obamacare?

    NDAA?

    Killing innocent people in the middle east with drones?

    Trying to start an unprovoked war with Syria?

    Saying really stupid shit, like 'you didn't build your own business?'

    Name one good thing he has done, just one. He's a total fucking loser as a leader.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Name one good thing he has done, just one. He's a total fucking loser as a leader.

    I think, once, he messed around and got a triple double.

    Indeed, it was a good day.

  • Hyperion||

    I think that little Winston took his toys and ran home.

  • Winston||

    Name one good thing he has done, just one. He's a total fucking loser as a leader.

    My point is that Serious Man defended Rand Paul for saying Obamacare can't be repealed as it is a truthful statement. I find it a bit odd that no article on Amash or the Pauls ever criticized them for promoting legislation that couldn't be passed or expressed concern about poll numbers for those bills. Nor did Suderman compare them to unicorns. Seems like a double standard there.

    Here a Serious Man trashes a liberal for making a truthful statement. Agreeing that "Obama gets stuff done" is not an endorsement of what Obama has done though to liberals it is.

    Doubly amusing is that Rand Paul admits he can not eliminate Obama's healthcare act and won't try to repeal it. How is that not evidence that libertarians are all talk and Obama "gets stuff done?"

  • Winston||

    Also you moved the goal posts again Hyperion. "Obama gets stuff done" != "Obama has done good things."

    I agree with the former but not the latter. Yes I know that to leftists "getting stuff done" is always good (unless there opponents "get stuff done").

  • Hyperion||

    Also you moved the goal posts again Hyperion. "Obama gets stuff done" != "Obama has done good things."

    Are you the new Tulpa? Do you just want to argue, or do you have a point?

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Name one good thing he has done, just one.

    He routinely gets twelve holes in one on the links.

  • Hyperion||

    He's almost as great as the late Kim Jong il.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    A sex doll designed for dogs.

  • Hyperion||

    Ok, that thing is really, really, weird.

    How does the dog know what to do with it? I think that the dog would just chew on it.

    Ok, I really don't want to know.

    I just can't wait until the day that there are real lifelike sexbots for humans. Not because I want one, I have a wife that works perfectly fine for me. It's just that I really want to see the feminists howl and scream in fury and agony over it.

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    It's just that I really want to see the feminists howl and scream in fury and agony over it.

    I predict many comparisons to sexual slavery and perhaps the invention of a new phrase: techno-rape.

  • Hyperion||

    There is already a lawyer in NYC that is staking his entire future on defending the rights of robots. You can't make up shit that stupid.

    Luddites will always strive to stop technology, and they will always fail in the end.

  • ||

    Advertisements complaining about robots taking perfectly good sexual assaults away from humans.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    How does the dog know what to do with it?

    Just make it smell like one's leg.

    Though, canines have nothing on us primates.

  • Hyperion||

    I'm not clicking that link...

  • Generic Stranger||

    5 to 1 that it's the chimp raping a frog video, but I'm not going to click on it to find out...

  • Redmanfms||

    It's a music video of a monkey fucking a goat.

    It's pretty damned funny.

    Besides, it's on YouTube FFS, how bad can it be?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I guess my reputation precedes me?

  • Generic Stranger||

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again.

  • Ted S.||

    Not because I want one, I have a wife that works perfectly fine for me.

    For now.

  • Hyperion||

    She's not American, so I expect her to keep working past the warranty.

  • cavalier973||

    OT:

    An epic Toshiba/Intel commercial; it's an hour long in 6 parts.

  • Archduke of Pantsfan||

    When a ‘bored’ horse decides to climb on your roof, the question is: how to get him down?

  • Hyperion||

    Depends on how good horse meat really is. I'll be right back, I'm going to ask one of my Asian friends, they will (do) eat anything...

  • Generic Stranger||

    According to my father (who is not Asian, but has eaten horse) it's pretty good.

  • Archduke of Pantsfan||

    About the Venezuelan TP shortage

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    A true socialist revolutionary wipes his ass with his hand, Comrade.

  • Hyperion||

    A true socialist revolutionary wipes his ass with his hand waits to have his ass wiped by the state, Comrade

    FIFY

  • Pathogen||

    Wiping your ass is seditious, exalted by the bourgeois, it's an elitist trait that will soon be... wiped out.

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    The National Guard has taken control of the plant, and officers will monitor production and distribution.

    Earlier this year officials ordered millions of toilet rolls to be imported to counter a chronic shortage.

    Last week President Nicolas Maduro created a special committee to tackle the problem, which the government blames on unscrupulous traders.

    The government ordered the temporary occupation of the Manpa plant in the northern state of Aragua, state-run Radio AVN reported.

    In a tweet on Thursday, Venezuela's Vice President, Jorge Arreaza, said authorities would "not permit hoarding of essential commodities, or any faults in the production and distribution process."

    You know we normally use the terms wreckers and hoarders as a joke. But holy shit, these people are insane. Why do people still think socialism is a good idea?!

  • Hyperion||

    Why do people still think socialism is a good idea?!

    Because they're fucking stupid.

  • Redmanfms||

    I was listening to Radio Havana on my shortwave once probably 4-5 years ago and President Castro (Raul) was giving a his 26 July rah-rah speech and he talked at length about condensed milk being supplied to mothers and growing children.

    Milk. The President of a country actually spent 5-6 minutes of a speech addressing a consumer product and what the government is going to do to ensure its availability to those who need it. Jesus.

    BTW, the address was nearly 3 hours long. Also, CSPAN once covered one of these speeches and the audience was clearly segregated by race. No shit. Some "brotherhood of the proletariat" Cuba is.

  • Hyperion||

    Is America the only country that knows how to do milk right?

    Just curious. Milk sucks ballz in Brazil, they have no idea what the fuck milk is supposed to be.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Germany has awesome milk. Costa Rica and Uruguay/Argentina have good milk; better than the US IMO.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    My Saudi students tell me that camel milk beats the shit out of cow milk as it's both sweeter and healthier.

    *shrugs*

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    I've heard the same but haven't been able to compare, having only TDYed briefly in Saudi in the days of my misspent yute...

  • Killazontherun||

    Meh, sweeter does not equal better.

  • Hyperion||

    Hmmm, why the fuck can Brazilians not get milk right? I just have to not drink milk when I am there. Oh well, the beer is good.

  • Redmanfms||

    I've always kind of figured that nations that have shitty milk have very low populations of historically milk-drinking people. Not many Northern Europeans, shitty milk.

    My theory kinda falls apart with India though. They've been drinking milk at least as long as Northern Europeans (if not longer) and it is garbage. Like gag a maggot terrible. Of course it could just be a product of terrible transportation and poor sanitation/lack of refrigeration.

    Indians do have some really kick-ass dairy-based drinks though, like sweet lassi (the savory version is a little strange to a Westerner, but it's pretty good too).

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    India has lots of yogurt-based cuisine which is quite nice. Concur with the lassi; mango lassi in particular is very good.

  • Killazontherun||

    mango lassi in particular is very good.

    Fuck yeah, had some earlier today.

  • ||

    I remember having strong opinions of milk in Korea when I was there, but I don't remember exactly what the complaint was (not that it stopped me from consuming a ton of it).

    Tasty dairy products though. No cheese, but their ice cream bar technology is decades ahead of ours and they have all sorts of yogurt drinks that are tasty.

  • Hyperion||

    If the great Venezuelan revolution continues, the comrades there will be able to boast of having one working refrigerator per city block and of only having to stand in line for 2 days to get state provided toilet paper. Hail the great revolution, comrades!

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    A working refrigerator per block?! Comrade, you know that only the commissars can manage such products for the people, and they are hardly to be found living anywhere near your city block.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    A working refrigerator per block?! Comrade, you know that only the commissars can manage such products for the people, and they are hardly to be found living anywhere near your city block.

  • Almanian!||

    You know who else had a lot of "secrets" within his government...

  • Pathogen||

    Mustafa Kemal?

  • Almanian!||

    Fucking Michigan just tied UConn. Ugh. There's time for them to embarrass let down the fans one more time. Like Moo U did v ND earlier.

  • ||

    So for all those guys who were joking about using their cocks on the fingerprint ID on their iPhones: You can use your fucking nipples so, why not?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    As per the comments to the video:



    sushlet 2 hours ago

    It works with the penis head. Me and my friend test it, no problems.

    The broken English sends this comment into the realm of apotheosis.

  • Hyperion||

    In the future, be really careful when a friend offers to let you use their cell phone.

  • Snark Plissken||

    The proper response is to ask if they wouldn't be better off switching to a Microsoft phone.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Traduttore, traditore! (A translator [is] a traitor!)

    As of 11:00 pm EST, Al Jazeera English has the Nairobi Massacre as its top story broadcast with ginormous-font, to fool the rubes, you see. A quick trip over to Al Jazeera proper finds the lede buried under more pressing news, such as the "Collective Punishment of Gaza"; for exposing the perfidy of the Jews must always take precedence.

    However, all is not lost, for if one opens the article, on the Al Jazeera Arabic site, concerning Nairobi, the comment that begins "Since when is Jihad about killing innocents...?" has gotten 15 thumbs-up and only 10 thumbs-down! 67 percent! Yeah, progress!

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    In case anyone was wondering, the same is not true for Al Arabiya, which does feature Nairobi prominently in its headlines.

  • Hyperion||

    "Since when is Jihad about killing innocents...?"

    Or killing the enemy with my drone strikes!

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Sad thing is, if we put that comment on CNN and make it about drones, it would get even less thumbs up and more "but OBAMA! Therefore, you're racist!"

  • Hyperion||

    I was in a meeting last week, and one person in the meeting, who you would guess, by all appearances, to be very PC, made a very un-PC comment about an x-employee being retarded, and then apologized for making such an non-PC comment. As is not uncommon for me, I just immediately said, 'We don't give a fuck about PC here (we, being IT)'. She laughed, and knows that I am libertarian. PC is dying, slow and agonizingly, but dying none the less. People, except for the extremely reality challenged left and the leftist media, are sick of it.

  • Pathogen||

    "PC is dying, slow and agonizingly, but dying none the less..."

    I look forward to pissing on it grave...

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Sadly, at least some of those upvotes probably came from people who, rightly, would have pointed out that Jihad is not about killing innocents but rather about establishing a governing order elevating fellow believers and subjugating non-believers to show the glory of Allah to the non-believers.

  • Hyperion||

    The only difference between Shariah Islamists and progressives, is their choice of God. One has Allah, the other, government.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • Hyperion||

    And also, unlike the proggies, the Islamists are not a bunch of emasculated pussies, that wouldn't themselves fight if their life depended on it.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Maybe not individually, no. But as a large angry mob? That's what they have wet dreams about.

  • Hyperion||

    They have wet dreams about the government fighting for them. They won't fight themselves when it comes down to it.

    That's why they want us all disarmed, so their gawd, the government, can have their way with us.

  • Archduke of Pantsfan||

    Here’s 10 reasons why nu-metal was the worst genre of all time and should definitely not be resurrected.

  • Hyperion||

    Korn and Limp Bizkit. That is not metal, it's no talent noise.

    Megadeth and Avenged Sevenfold, that's metal.

  • Archduke of Pantsfan||

    Warning: You Cannot Unsee the Nickelback Version of "Wrecking Ball"

  • Pathogen||

    It burns us...

  • Hyperion||

    Was watching Rock in Rio, with wifey, on Globo a couple days ago, and she was trying to tell me before the program, what American bands were playing, but I could only guess a few of them from what she was telling me, like Rob Zombie and Metallica. So I thought it was over, and I was going to do something on my computer, and she said, 'wait, there's one more American band, you need to see!'

    I waited, and much to my horror, Nickelback made the stage. And I said 'OMG, Nickelback!? They aren't American, they're fucking Canuckistanians! And they suck!, I'm outta here!

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    KCAL 9 news just did a piece on California's insurance exchange. They put some public health policy expert from USC on camera who said that Republicans are creating unnecessary anxiety about the program and that it will benefit 'those on the margins' who need insurance the most.

    Cut to an interview with a 'self-employed' LA resident who can't afford insurance for herself but laughs and says she has insurance for her dog.

  • ||

    You...watch broadcast news?

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    Yes, well I was looking for something else to watch. Found 'Veep' on HBO.

    "You're Frankenstein's monster if his monster was made entirely of dead dicks."

  • juris imprudent||

    Easy there, KCAL is local. It isn't like he admitted to watching NBC's national news.

  • ||

    I'm familiar with KCAL, they were my go to source for after school cartoons when I was a youth.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    If you're a libertarian and you don't have this, you make me sick.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    By the way, yes, Vacuum Rap is a genre:
    Complete with beefs.

    More vacuum rap

  • Archduke of Pantsfan||

    a vacuum? I find tiny orphan fingers pick up every piece of lint just fine.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    And what, pray tell, picks up the bloody fingers when they fall off the little bastards' hands?

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    That's what my trained chimpanzee is for.

  • Archduke of Pantsfan||

    the new orphans

  • Archduke of Pantsfan||

    NHL trick shot attempt.

    The shootout is a farce.

  • Ted S.||

    Fuck you Gary Bettman.

    And you can get rid of the Marty Brodeur Memorial Trapezoid too.

  • juliajuli||

    my roomate's mom makes on the internet. She has been out of a job for six months but last month her paycheck was just working on the internet for a few hours. browse this site......

    HTTP://WWW.RUSH60.COM

  • juliajuli||

    my roomate's mom makes on the internet. She has been out of a job for six months but last month her paycheck was just working on the internet for a few hours. browse this site......

    HTTP://WWW.RUSH60.COM

  • ||

    Ha, not even workbot can get past the squirrels.

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