Mississippi Enacts Anti-Competitive Catfish Marketing Law

Protectionism rears its head in the Magnolia State.

One of main subplots of the new-ish movie Mud, starring Matthew McCaughey, involves a poor Mississippi River Delta teen, Ellis, who helps his father catch catfish and sell clear plastic bags of the cleaned fish out of the back of the family’s beaten pickup truck.

That entrepreneurial food startup was all the income Ellis’s family appeared to have.

While I suspect Ellis’s family business probably skirted the laws of Arkansas, where the family’s riverbank home was located (and where I’ve done most of my best catfish eating), I know with great certainty that their simple local enterprise would run afoul downriver in Mississippi, thanks to the latter’s newly amended Catfish Marketing Law.

The Mississippi law, which updates a 2008 law, requires every grocer and restaurant in the state to "provide the consumer with the country of origin and method of production of catfish" and, now, of other catfish-like fish.

While the 2008 law required groceries throughout the state to provide country-of-origin labeling for catfish alone, the new law expands the measure to include all catfish-like fish, which is mostly imported, at every "restaurant, cafeteria, lunch room, food stand, saloon, tavern, bar, lounge or other similar facility operated as an enterprise engaged in the business of selling food to the public.”

The law expands the state's ability to require "any person that prepares, stores, handles or distributes catfish or fish for retail sale maintain a verifiable record-keeping audit trail."

The rules contain a host of menu labeling provisions that "shall be provided to the consumer on the menu of the food service establishment." They require those engaged in wholesale or in direct sales to consumers also to label their catfish.

In Mississippi, restaurant buyers are subject to the menu-labeling and record-keeping laws. But sellers like Ellis and his dad (who also sold in the movie to restaurants) might be subject to the record-keeping provisions—if a restaurant can be required to keep records, then a smart restaurant would require those selling to the restaurant to do the same—and would probably be subject to the “retail sale” and “wholesale” labeling requirements.

Though the impact here is only hypothetical—Ellis is just a character in a movie, after all—the basis for the actual Catfish Marketing Law doesn’t rest on very firm ground, either.

It's true that a small amount of imported catfish has raised food safety issues in recent years.

But while the state bills the rules under the familiar veil of helping consumers “make more informed decisions,” most news reports on the catfish law (even those that simply repost the state agriculture department’s press release announcing the new rules while claiming authorship) serve up headlines like “Country of origin labeling law aims at protecting local farmers.”

If this sounds suspiciously like a protectionist measure, that’s because it is. Reports on the 2008 rule made it clear the rule was also “designed to protect the domestic catfish industry from imports of catfish and similar fish[.]”

Though the law was intended to protect Delta residents like Ellis and his family from foreign competitors, its unintended consequences will likely impose new costs for these same people in the form of greater liability, thousands of dollars in potential fines, and confusing or impossible record-keeping requirements.

While I believe Mississippi gets it wrong with the Catfish Marketing Law, that’s not to say the state's food laws are all headed in the wrong direction. They're not.

Take the state’s so-called “anti-Bloomberg bill.” That law, passed earlier this year, is by my estimate the seventh in the country to bar local governments from banning or otherwise restricting consumer food choices in restaurants and groceries. (Ohio’s ban was later overturned.)

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  • AlmightyJB||

    What the fuck are you two smiling about?

  • Sevo||

    First warm bath either of 'em ever had!

  • StephenBlackpool||

    Bloomberg News did several reports on farmed seafood in China and Vietnam. The seafood is raised and processed in absolute filth. "Asian seafood raised on pig feces approved for U.S. consumers" is one headline. We need a lot more protectionism.

  • Sevo||

    "We need a lot more protectionism."

    Go to hell.

  • StephenBlackpool||

    "Go to hell."

    When you hang around Satan, you start talking like him.

  • Sevo||

    StephenBlackpool| 7.7.13 @ 1:00PM |#
    "When you hang around Satan, you start talking like him."

    When you're a lefty ignoramus, people tell you to go to hell.

  • StephenBlackpool||

    For someone who supposedly abhors a lefty, you either don't know or dismiss in a peremptory manner acts of malice by Chinese commies who poison our pets, our medicine and even our toothpaste under the pretext of free trade.

  • Sevo||

    StephenBlackpool| 7.7.13 @ 4:13PM |#
    "For someone who supposedly abhors a lefty, you either don't know or dismiss in a peremptory manner acts of malice by Chinese commies who poison our pets, our medicine and even our toothpaste under the pretext of free trade."

    Go to hell, lefty ignoramus

  • StephenBlackpool||

    Did you overstay your visa, you Chinese troll.

  • Sevo||

    StephenBlackpool| 7.7.13 @ 6:27PM |#
    "Did you overstay your visa, you Chinese troll."

    Go to hell.

  • froving39||

    Start working at home with Google! It's by-far the best job Ive had. Last Monday I got a new Alfa Romeo from bringing in $7778. I started this 9 months ago and practically straight away started making more than $83 per hour. I work through this link, http://goo.gl/yJQCa

  • DJF||

    So what is the libertarian answer to the fraud and food safety problems in the fish industry?

  • AlmightyJB||

    The internet.

  • Archduke Trousersenthusiast||

    and my axe!

  • Fatty Bolger||

    That's your answer to everything.

  • Warrren||

    I though he was saying "ass".

  • dinkster||

    din't fatty bolger run and hide from the nazgul?

  • Fatty Bolger||

    din't fatty bolger run and hide from the nazgul?

    Like you wouldn't.

  • DJF||

    So the internet can test whether a fish advertised as Mississippi Catfish is really Vietnamese Tilapia?

  • Sevo||

    DJF| 7.6.13 @ 1:30PM |#
    "So the internet can test whether a fish advertised as Mississippi Catfish is really Vietnamese Tilapia?"

    What's the difference? Do they have a different flavor? If so, you'll know pretty quickly and the advertiser will get a rep.
    As far a local or Asian, if you can't tell the difference between fresh and frozen, why would you gripe?

  • sarcasmic||

    Yes, you are right. Only government can do this. No private party can. Customers are too stupid to know the difference. Private companies are tainted by profit motive, so they can't do it. And did I mention that the average person is a complete moron? So only government can save the day, because government is god.

  • Agammamon||

    That's why it was so important for the government to set up the FDA's Kosher Inspection Division. 'Cause only the government is able to ensure you don't use the same set of dishes to prepare meat and dairy foods.

  • DJF||

    Where did I say that government should provide this service? I only asked what the libertarian answer was to fraud in the case of mislabeling fish. And yes I think fraud is wrong and should be punished. So what is the libertarian method of punishing fraud.

    Or is the libertarian position that as long as you can get away with it and make a buck then its buyer beware

  • Fatty Bolger||

    So somebody might eat the wrong fish? The horror, the horror...

  • Sevo||

    Fatty Bolger| 7.6.13 @ 1:59PM |#
    "So somebody might eat the wrong fish?"

    Pretty much. There is a claim of damage here; what damage?

  • DJF||

    Fraud.

  • ||

    So the internet can test whether a fish advertised as Mississippi Catfish is really Vietnamese Tilapia?

    Can the government? It sounds like the compliance still pretty much comes down to the honesty of the merchants. If consumers actually gave a shit about this they'd demand labeling and it would happen, because fish sellers, oddly enough, kinda like to sell fish. But then, how would food get labeled without government?

  • AlmightyJB||

    Thatw we exactly right. We spend billions on inspectors that don't inspect and govt depts that don't know tilapia fron salmon. If I'm going to get jack nothing, I'd rather pay for jack nothing. Government is only good at one thing and that's violence.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Yes. If purchasing a product is that important to you than you should research it on the internet. Consumer reviews get better and widespread exponentially. If a someone is ripping off a bunch of people you can bet there is a review about it somewhere.

  • Gabriel Hanna||

    If you can't tell a catfish from a tilapia then you have no business buying fish. Might as easily confuse a shark with a salmon.

  • Sevo||

    Gabriel Hanna| 7.6.13 @ 8:48PM |#
    "If you can't tell a catfish from a tilapia then you have no business buying fish."

    Now I see the "damage" here; it's showing the idiot buyer is dumb enough to buy the wrong goods!
    And the idiot is hoping the government will protect the idiot from public exposure of idiocy!
    Hey, DJF! You're an idiot, and I don't want to pay taxes for the government to pretend otherwise!

  • DJF||

    The damage is called fraud.

  • dinkster||

    If it tastes the same or nearly the same as catfish, who really cares? If the customer can't tell, it is fully on them. Consumer protection shouldn't be idiot protection. If some one tries to sell you an apple and calls it a mango, do you laugh and walk away or call the police?

  • Brandybuck||

    Ummm, they look completely different. A fish that looks just like a catfish... is a catfish.

  • DJF||

    Do they look that much different when they are filleted, breaded and fried and served in a restaurant.?

  • robc||

    1. Prosecute fraud.

    2. Something like Kosher or UL testing. Independent organizations that confirm and approve and give their mark to products.

  • sarcasmic||

    But, but, but before the FDA all food was poison!

    There was no food before the government made it safe!

    Government is god!

  • robc||

    The FDA has cost more lives than it has saved.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    Children Are Dying

    There are 300 drug, vitamin, and trace-element shortages in the US, the highest number ever recorded by the University of Utah Drug Information Service, which began tracking national shortages in 2001. Approximately 80 percent of these are generic injectables, or drugs given intravenously.

    Clinicians have reported at least 15 deaths attributable to drug shortages since 2010, and there almost certainly have been many more. There have also been serious but nonfatal complications—as well as errors made when hospital staff substituted other drugs with which they were less familiar. Patients have woken up in the middle of surgery, and infants have been burned and scarred. In 2011, nine patients died and ten others developed infections when an amino-acid shortage led Alabama hospitals to use a substitute PN that turned out to be contaminated.
    ...
    A 2012 report by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform places much of the blame on the FDA. The report says that because the agency ramped up inspections and sent a flurry of warning letters, “four of America’s five largest manufacturers of generic injectable products” simultaneously shut down 30 percent of their manufacturing capacity.
  • robc||

    And that is minor compared to deaths due to delay in approval of some beta-blockers and other drugs.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    Oh, sure. There are far worse cases, numbers-wise. But this shows how the FDA's stupidity created a shortage of dirt cheap drugs in one of the richest nations on earth. Only the government could accomplish that.

  • Rights-Minimalist Autocrat||

    Something like Kosher

    That's my go-to on topics like this. We don't need an elaborate thought experiment. Things already exist.

    And if you absolutely insist on local fresh catfish, I suggest going to Walmart and buying a cane pole and some chicken livers.

  • robc||

    And if you absolutely insist on local fresh catfish, I suggest going to Walmart and buying a cane pole and some chicken livers.

    Ive got a better idea than that even. When I lived in GA and wanted local, fresh peaches, I drove north of ATL on I-75, looked for a hand-made sign propped up on the interstate, took the exit and found the truck parked by the road.

    Sure, I guess I could be fooled that way, but I never was, and if they did defraud me, they defrauded me with the best tasting imported peaches of my life.

    In other words, exactly the equivalent of the family in this story.

  • robc||

    That's my go-to on topics like this. We don't need an elaborate thought experiment.

    Not only that, it works better than the government model. Have you ever heard people complain about the government "organic" standard allowing things to be labeled organic that they dont consider organic?

    That doesnt happen with Kosher, as there are different standards, and if you want to go with a stricter standard, you can.

  • Killazontherun||

    DJF| 7.6.13 @ 1:16PM |#

    So what is the libertarian answer to the fraud and food safety problems in the fish industry?

    Less fraud in the government industry.

  • bubs||

    The answer certainly isn't more laws and bigger government. The answer is individual responsibility. People need to take responsibility for knowing where their food is coming from. Buy locally from a trusted source. If you are going to purchase catfish do your research first.

  • sarcasmic||

    Freedom means asking permission and taking orders.

  • Archduke Trousersenthusiast||

    OT: Oil train crashes and blows up Quebec town

  • ||

    If only there were a pipeline.

  • RBS||

    "If trains aren't even safe then a pipeline will never be"

    /Envirotard

  • Zeb||

    I bet someone really said that. Because what could posibly go wron with 900,000 tons of steel going 60 down some 80 year old rails.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    If only you evil libertardians would give Barry his magic high-speed choo-choos, these sorts of tragedies would never happen.

  • dinkster||

    RAODS! I mean RAILSS!

  • robc||

    http://news.google.com/newspap.....98,6303886

    Okay, its been 28 years, but I drove by the site of the explosion on a regular basis at that time, it was between my grandparents' houses.

  • Ted S.||

    When one set of your grandparents lives in California and the other set in Maine, there's a lot between your grandparents' houses. :-)

  • robc||

    True.

    When they live a county apart and the explosion occurs right on the county border right next to the road connecting the counties, you kind of notice the ruins.

  • ||

    Ban it.

  • Sevo||

    Tax it!

  • gaoxiaen||

    Crucify it.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    Quebec?

  • Sevo||

    Oui!

  • gaoxiaen||

    Wee Wee!

  • Warrren||

    But did it explode in both languages?

  • Dweebston||

    I subjected myself to the comments because it's a helpful periodic reminder that kneejerk anti-capitalism and absurd conspiracy logic continues to bedevil the populace. Granted, commentators are a self-selected crowd, but the automatic opprobrium heaped on the company running the train, as if they benefit from locomotive accidents, and the petroleum company, as if they paid to have their product dumped on some Canadian town, is nothing short of wishful thinking.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Oil train crashes and blows up Quebec town

    I blame Halliburton.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Booooooooooosshhhhhhhh

  • gaoxiaen||

    I blame Cheney.

  • superdestroyer||

    So the way to save the small local provider of Catfish is to let them be overwhelmed by foreign competition that will drive down the price and drive the small producer out of business.

  • Sevo||

    superdestroyer| 7.6.13 @ 1:55PM |#
    "So the way to save the small local provider of Catfish is to let them be overwhelmed by foreign competition that will drive down the price and drive the small producer out of business."

    Sarc or stupidity?

  • robc||

    Notice that none of the supporters of the law have responded to my kosher certification post.

    I guess I can reach the obvious conclusion from that.

  • Sevo||

    It's pathetic how those who are familiar with libertarianism from the main-stream distortions show up and toss out a BP fastball in the belief that libertarians have never thought of such a thing!
    Only to be handed their hats.

  • ||

    Given the capture of public education and most academia it's a lot easier to live in that particular bubble.

  • Agammamon||

    So the way to save the small local provider is to let them be overwhelmed with an administrative burden that their larger (foreign *and* domestic) competitors can bear, driving up the cost of production and drive the small producer out of business?

  • ||

    Government driving the little guy out of business is much nobler.

  • superdestroyer||

    One could argue that some domestic jobs would be saved with the administrative burden.

    But how does a local small scale producer benefit from lower prices and stiffer competition?

  • Sevo||

    superdestroyer| 7.6.13 @ 9:47PM |#
    "But how does a local small scale producer benefit from lower prices and stiffer competition?"

    Sorry, not my problem. Sell a good that people buy at a cost that makes your business, or STFU.
    Why do you think it's the government's job to charge consumers more for a product?

  • Acosmist||

    Cool, so consumers get stuff cheaper. Not seeing the problem.

    Economies of scale TERRIFY people for some reason.

  • superdestroyer||

    But those consumers still need jobs doing something. If the U.S. off-shores everything but government work and people living off of the government.

    How high do you think taxes will go in such an economy? Wouldn't living on the dole be easier than trying to compete against cheap Chinese imports?

  • Acosmist||

    ??? All the consumers get cheaper stuff. You're not understanding that this leaves people better off?!

    You think "consumer" means "dealer", don't you?

  • Sevo||

    superdestroyer| 7.6.13 @ 9:49PM |#
    "But those consumers still need jobs doing something."

    Good. Nothing is stopping them from finding or making them.
    Does the government buy your beer for you? How pathetic are you?

  • Agammamon||

    You know, the question you should be answering for us is - what public good is that seller of catfish providing that the power of the state should be mobilized to protect his business from competition?

  • Generic Stranger||

    Yeah, there's no way people will independently value fresh and local over foreign and old, and will instead decide paying a premium for it is too much. /sarc

  • superdestroyer||

    But how big is the market for premium products? Is it large enough for people to really make a living or is it left to the hobby producers such as those at Farmer's Markets?

  • Generic Stranger||

    Pretty big. I live in the Willamette valley, which is one of the most productive agricultural zones in the US, and there are plenty of people here making a living on it. Also plenty of people making a living exporting food elsewhere; my neighbors, who we lease our land to for farming, grew wheat last year and ended up selling it to companies in China.

  • Sevo||

    superdestroyer| 7.6.13 @ 9:51PM |#
    "But how big is the market for premium products?"

    Dunno. If you chose to sell same, it's up to you to find out. I don't care.

  • Beezard||

    The country of origin Labelling is a federal thing. You should see the amount of paperwork we have to do on it on the seafood dept level of a grocery store.

    The idiocy is none of this protects any one from real fraud. It just threatens massive fines for stores and puts the responsibility on $7 an hour clerks.

  • Hawk Spitui||

    Cops kill man watering neighbor's lawn...
    http://www.realfarmacy.com/man.....bors-lawn/

  • Agammamon||

    Is this Sugarfreeing the link or Pantsfanning it?

  • ||

    Isn't he a Trouserenthusiat now?

  • Agammamon||

    Oh, *he* may be go by the rubic of Trouserenthusist now but its just a scheme to get out from under the shadow of the shameful things done as Pantsfan.

  • ||

    An archduke has to protect his reputation.

  • Archduke Trousersenthusiast||

    I just like to say the word Trousers.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    +Immaculate

  • Archduke Trousersenthusiast||

    That is 'Bretting' a link

    Let's review:
    SF a link: Link highlights but goes nowhere
    "PANTS" a link (WHEREVER THAT CAME FROM) goes to a valid page, but just the wrong one. Maybe you have too many tabs open?

    "BRETT" a link: goes to a 404/error
    and one more which is not named: linking to a story already covered as a previous H&R post

  • SugarFree||

    linking to a story already covered as a previous H&R post

    FISTING

  • Archduke Trousersenthusiast||

    do you have a google alert setup to your name appearing on H&R?

  • ||

    If nothing else, everyone here needs an alert for Warty's name, so they know to avoid the page.

  • SugarFree||

    No, I'm just procrastinating here to avoid working on an emotionally difficult section of my erotic memoirs.

  • Archduke Trousersenthusiast||

    "The Epi Years"

  • Marshall Gill||

    my erotic memoirs.

    I threw up in my mouth a little.

  • Generic Stranger||

    NutraSweet has that effect on some people.

  • Irish||

    linking to a story already covered as a previous H&R post

    I've had days where I do this three or four times. However, I don't think it should be named after me since the Irish have suffered enough.

  • Fatty Bolger||

  • mad libertarian guy||

    The real problem with college grads not being able to get jobs is that employers aren't listening to colleges enough rather than colleges not properly preparing their students for the workforce.

    But it’s easy for the issue to degenerate into finger-pointing.

    “If you sat down with a committee of professors, and told them students are not coming out with the skills they need, they would say, ‘you’re smoking something,’ ” Mr. Levenson said. “The trouble is, those skills are applied in a college context, not a workplace context.”

    But, he added, “you can’t create a school-based curriculum that can help someone transition to being highly productive on the job in 10 days.”

    In other words, the onus shouldn’t just be on universities; employers also need to step up to the plate.

    It's not our fault that we don't produce qualified graduates! It's your fault for not seeing the brilliance instilled in our students who are schooled in leftist studies rather than the skills required to function in the business world.

  • robc||

    mispost or just insantely off-topic?

  • mad libertarian guy||

    It's the weekend.

    Off topic.

  • robc||

    Maybe stick to one thread with it.

    Or label it.

    Or stick it in the bigass thread that has clearly become the open thread for the weekend.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    I originally wanted to put it in the latest thread, but messed that up and posted it to the Obamacare courting athletes thread. Then decided to throw it up on this one (because it is the latest thread).

    The thread to which you refer had been shit on by 'Murican and a sockpuppet or two. To hell with that thread.

  • robc||

    I havent noticed any problems in that thread, but I have filters in place.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    "America is great except fuck brown people and I am libertarian even while I explain my theory of protectionism and the return to mercantilism as the best solution for America."

  • robc||

    like I said, filters.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    I would use them, but want to avoid the feeling that I'm purposefully engaging in the echo chamber. The only kind of posters worthy of the filter are those on the Pale Native scale. The rest can be ignored more casually.

  • robc||

    People who "shit on" threads go on the list.

    Im more heavy handed than some, I filter out Tony and Shrike too.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    I don't mind either.

    It pays intellectual dividends to see the mind of a statist at work.

    For me, the filter is only those who go to such lengths as to actively sabotage any semblance of discussion. Blindness is one thing. Intellectual dishonesty is another.

    It's craziness like that of Ms. Stack which drives me to the filter.

    BTW: I'm supremely jealous. While you're sitting reasonably high and dry in Louisville, we're being pounded by relentless rain just 75 miles east. And there's no sign as to when this shit is going to stop.

  • Dweebston||

    Are you kidding me? It dumped buckets on Albuquerque. The temperature dropped to a mild 86 degrees. Rainstorms uber alles.

  • robc||

    reasonably high and dry

    My road is still wet, so it hasnt been stopped for that long.

  • ||

    I don't filter out anyone. If there's someone I really disfavor, I just refuse to respond to them.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    rather than the skills required to function in the business world.

    That makes the rather large assumption that the purpose of a university education is to prepare one to "function in the business world".

    Jus' sayin'

  • mad libertarian guy||

    I would agree in large part. But you can't complain that your fancy college degree isn't enough to get you a well paying job if you don't look at it as a conduit to a well paying job.

    I'm fine with the idea of education to better oneself. My MA in Medieval Lit is a testament to that. But I can't very well sit back and complain that said degree doesn't qualify me for a good job and because of that we need to completely refigure my loans (which I don't have BTW) and then blame the world when I can't make a living with said degree.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Absolutely. Yet another reason to separate school and state.

  • Zeb||

    That is a good point. Universities are mostly designed to prepare people for the academic world. Problem is that they produce way more graduates than the academic world can take. Which I think is fine, as long as you don't expect your degree to get you your dream job and you develop some other shills besides academics. That's pretty much what I did. I studied philosophy and math and Greek and I work in tech manufacturing.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Indeed. Or, if you want to be an academic, be really, really good at what you do.

    Still, I will always remember the advice a Thai-Chinese (now American) friend gave me, "Whatever you do, do it with a business mind."

  • Anonymous Coward||

    You mean academicians tend to produce...MORE academicians?

    I need to sit down. This is some heavy revelation.

  • General Butt Naked||

    Ummm, the propaganda that college is needed to get work and make money is poured on kids from day-fucking-one. That's why kids are shocked when their four-year, $100,000 mental masturbation/omphaloskepsis session fails to gain them employment.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    That's because a college degree is a class status signifier. Just like in Ancient China, passing the Imperial Examination was a fairly meritocratic path to entering the scholar-bureaucrat class of gentry, in the past a bachelor's degree guaranteed a certain standard of living for the past two generations of Americans (the G.I. Bill generation and their Baby Boomer children). However, times have changed but society-at-large still needs to acknowledge that fact.

  • BakedPenguin||

    "Become a bureaucrat and grow rich."

    Ancient Chinese proverb (Seriously)

  • Cdr Lytton||

    The questions range from career planning to interview issues to on the job concerns. For example, “Is it O.K. to have a drink at a business lunch?” elicited four responses. The consensus: Best to avoid it.

    Jesus Christ. New grads actually ask this? If you have any question about whether to do something, don't do it. Show up early, don't leave early, do your work, and find the co-worker that does the best job to follow around.

  • Agammamon||

    The consensus is stupid.

    The best answer is - pay attention to your company's culture and their attitude towards it. Depending on when and who you're lunching with it can range from inappropriate to expected. And don't get drunk.

  • Cdr Lytton||

    And don't order the most expensive thing on the menu either.

  • Archduke Trousersenthusiast||

    what if the boss is doing body shots off his secretary?

  • Cdr Lytton||

    Make sure you're extra nice to the secretary and don't cause him/her any grief with your expense reports.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    Then congratulations, you got a job working for a politician.

  • Agammamon||

    I like the picture that goes with this link - grad in his gown holding up a sign reading "hire me".

    Dude, no-one is going to hire you - you're wearing a garbage bag over you graduation gown because you couldn't plan far enough ahead to have a raincoat ready in a place wear it rains often.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    Students who choose to major in high paying fields will officially subsidize the education for those students who choose to major in low paying careers.

    Going to college can seem like a choice between impossibly high payments while in school or a crushing debt load for years afterward, but one state is experimenting with a third way.

    This week, the Oregon Legislature approved a plan that could allow students to attend state colleges without paying tuition or taking out traditional loans. Instead, they would commit a small percentage of their future incomes to repaying the state; those who earn very little would pay very little.

    The only way this can work at all is if the payments from students are isolated and put back in to the programs that brought about those payments. Low Art History major payments put back in to Art History programs, and high engineering payments put back in to engineering programs where the funds do not mix.

    I'd be really pissed to know that my payments as a highly paid engineer are going towards funding lavish Art History department faculties and facilities.

  • robc||

    Did some Oregon politician skim The Unincorporated man?

  • Cdr Lytton||

    Gee, no completely foreseeable incentives would be created by that scheme.

  • Warrren||

    There must be well-roundedness! If you disagree go sit in the corner!

  • Robert||

    If they're smart, they will use the feedback that way. Seems like a good way to get it.

  • ||

    Wow, straight up from each according to his abilities to each according to his needs. You don't usually see them being that open about their motives.

  • Agammamon||

    "Though the law was intended to protect Delta residents like Ellis and his family from foreign competitors . . ."

    No, no it wasn't. It was intended to protect the existing large-scale catfish farms and importers and screw everyone else.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    No, no it wasn't. It was intended to protect the existing large-scale catfish farms and importers and screw everyone else.

    This. They may have paid lip service to protecting small-scale locals, but they knew damn well that the law would only fuck them in the end. It was designed that way. If you or I can read the law and in just a few seconds realize that this will fuck the locals, surely those who pondered it for months (if not years) saw that too, and either played mental gymnastics in order to avoid it altogether, or they used the power of rhetoric to statesplain it away to the public.

  • robc||

    Forseeable consequences arent unintended.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    Especially those that one can imagine before even finishing reading the law.

  • robc||

    I told someone recently that if an opponent of a bill points out a scenario during the debate and then that comes to pass, the supporters dont get off the hook because of their intentions.

  • robc||

    Of course, this is also why large bills get pushed thru fast, so there isnt time to point out the possibilities.

    If you have to vote for it to find out what was in it, how can you be blamed?

    Sigh...fuck you Pelosi, fuck you.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    I would agree.

    But the folks for whom the only thing that matters are intentions, reason plays no role.

    "Who cares that Drone Strike X killed 16 innocent civilians including a handful of children? It was intended to kill 1 terrorist and it did (maybe)."

  • Sevo||

    mad libertarian guy| 7.6.13 @ 2:58PM |#
    ..."But the folks for whom the only thing that matters are intentions, reason plays no role."...

    Sort of like the congress life-forms beating on Apple for doing what the tax law says instead of 'paying what they should'.

  • ||

    Not to suggest that American's retardation deserves a response, but rather, to illustrate a useful resource for any of you who have not heard of it:

    Real per capita GDP, Japan vs. US

  • mad libertarian guy||

    Please don't cross-contaminate this thread with 'Murican's bullshit.

  • ||

    The other thread is dead

  • ||

    to me

  • Dweebston||

    It demonstrates American's point that immigrants from other threads tend to ruin things for the new thread.

    Now excuse me while I start discussing abortion downthread.

  • robc||

    If you make it per capita gdp ppp instead, US is 43% larger.

  • robc||

    If you make it per capita gdp ppp instead, US is 43% larger.

  • ||

    Good point, though the growth rate is still about the same

  • ||

    Actually nvm, I was looking at the wrong graph

  • robc||

    ???

    As I dont wade in the muck, I dont get your point.

    I was just ripping you for moronically posting without the ppp adjustment.

  • ||

    Japan has economic patriotism and has a per-capita GDP that has grown faster than America's has over the last decade.

    So, not moronic.

  • Agammamon||

    I'm not sure where that quote comes from but -

    economic patriotism is what smashed the Japanes economy in the 90's. The idea that the government knows how to run an economy better than the individuals in that economy is what allowed MITI to get away with screwing everything up.
    And its finally, sort of, getting past those mistakes that is allowing the Japanese economy to pick up again.

    As such its not surprising that Japanese GDP is rising faster than the US', we're closer to the bleeding edge of efficiency than they are and its harder for us to make headway.

  • ||

    The quote is Merkin's.

  • Calidissident||

    Hong Kong doesn't have much land or natural resources either

  • Agammamon||

    And yet it is so much richer than mainland China.

    It almost seems like free-markets and the rule of law are truer paths to wealth than all the people and land and natural resources in the world.

  • MWG||

    It's the growth stupid. HK has and is growing faster than the US for decades.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I used to love catfish until I visited the Siriraj Museum of Parasitology in Bangkok.

    Now, I'm not too keen on it.

  • BakedPenguin||

    I am not going to open this link until I finish eating.

  • SIV||

    Who's up for Thai?

    The finished dish of Koi pla made of raw fish accompanied by rice and vegetables. This dish is a dietary staple of many northeastern Thai villagers and is a common source of infection with Opisthorchis viverrini.

  • Dweebston||

    Don't ruin swai for me. It's cheap and versatile and goes well with quinoa.

  • SIV||

    The liver fluke only infects cyprinids so you should be OK with swai and basa...if it is labeled correctly.

  • ||

    "Infection is acquired when people ingest raw or undercooked fish."

    Invertebrate zoology changed my life. When asked how I want my steak done I answer "extra crispy".

    Never eat anything raw except vegetables or fruits that have been disinfected.

  • ||

    You're going to get the garbage cuts quite a bit more often than otherwise with that line of thinking, believe me.

  • General Butt Naked||

    As a former restaurant rat, I will endorse what SRC says. We'd usually cut up the steaks from a big piece (prime rib, filet, etc), sprinkle 'em with salt and pepper, cover them with plastic and refrigerate them for the evening's service. The rare/med-rare orders got the nice, juicy pieces and well-done orders got the crap end pieces.

    Not that it matters, because all steak tastes like crap when well done.

  • DK||

    I guess Snowden was in Seoul all this time

  • Archduke Trousersenthusiast||

    Planes, Trains, and whatelse can go wrong today?

  • ||

  • Sevo||

    Local news is saying minor injuries and no deaths. So far....

  • The Late P Brooks||

    The other thread is dead

    I wonder why.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    It used to be possible to make a pretty good case for the "Liberal Arts education teaches you how to think, not what to think.

    Now, I'm not so sure. One of the major points of that NYT article linked above is the generally poor analytical and communication skills of recent graduates. I recently thought it might be "fun" to see what was in my alma mater's student newspaper. This is the opening sentence of an anti-gun(!) article.

    Saving lives and protecting the public has been priority number one for the federal government since our nation’s founding.

    Sampling errors aside, what the fuck are they teaching those poor kids?

  • Virginian||

    OK isn't it possible for that to be sarcasm?

    Please....I just want to believe that it is. Let me have that.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    It used to be possible to make a pretty good case for the "Liberal Arts education teaches you how to think, not what to think.

    I thought this too, and still do.

    It's just that academia assumes that there is one, or a small number, of "correct" ways to think about a given situation. Academia tries to instill the line of thought in people that will help them arrive at the "correct" conclusion based on academic thinking. In that light, teaching someone how to think is worse than teaching them what to think because now we have all these people from the "reality based community" thinking they use some sense of infallible "pure reason" to come to their conclusions. See RationalWiki. Everyone else is a backwards redneck from flyover country.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    But wait- there's more:

    The government has allocated billions of dollars to protect the American public against terrorism. In post-9/11 America, big city police budgets are dominated by counter-terrorism operations, the FBI and CIA are working around the clock to track down and arrest terrorists hiding among us, and the always-growing Transportation Security Administration continues to do everything in their power to prevent an airplane from being hijacked.

    Before the Boston marathon bombings on April 15, the government’s all-out, spare-no-dime tactics were working flawlessly. We went over 11-and-a-half years without an official terrorist attack on the homeland. Despite dozens of attempted attacks in New York City and elsewhere, terror plots have been thwarted and wannabe terrorists have been brought to justice.

    I'm pretty sure that's not sarcasm.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    I could buy that argument, if they weren't so hard pressed to come up with real examples when asked about actual plots that were stopped with this monstrous apparatus we've built.

  • Irish||

    I have an anti-bear rock. Ever since I got the anti-bear rock, I have been attacked by 0 bears. This proves it's working.

  • DK||

    And, when you do get attacked by a bear, you'll be cursing yourself that you didn't get extra protection with the anti-bear boulder.

  • C. Anacreon||

    Lisa, I'd like to buy your rock.

  • General Butt Naked||

    Because it’s easier to access a gun in the United States than it is in Mexico, 90% of the guns used in the Mexican drug wars come from America, according to Obama. So, our lack of gun control is more than just an issue of national security and saving American lives—it’s a matter of saving the lives of thousands of Mexicans, too.

    I'd drop the NAP for a couple of minutes to smack this person in the mouth.

    Jesus.

  • Irish||

    Because it’s easier to access a gun in the United States than it is in Mexico, 90% of the guns used in the Mexican drug wars come from America, according to Obama.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh sweet Jesus. He cites no actual studies on the issue, he just takes Obama's word for it. Hilarious.

  • General Butt Naked||

    Oh, it gets better:

    A change in conceptions starts first with a change in political discourse. Local and state governments have raised awareness about gun violence in big cities like New York, Baltimore and Chicago.


    However, smaller cities and towns have governments more interested and committed to “gun rights” than gun control. Some police forces, even in places like St. Louis, have taken to policies focused on increasing gun prevalence to reduce crime. This method is disdained by most police forces, anti-violence campaigns and national governments. Still, St. Louis, and many small towns in America, as well as entire states like Utah and Kentucky, are moving towards arming teachers. Doing so, instead of getting the guns out of criminals’ hands, will probably have little-to-no positive effect on reducing the prevalence of gun violence.

    Jesus. That they let this be published for the world to see doesn't reflect positively on Colorado College. Good thing The Late P got his diploma before the place went to shit.

  • Irish||

    Still, St. Louis, and many small towns in America, as well as entire states like Utah and Kentucky, are moving towards arming teachers.

    And what are the murder rates in small town Kentucky and Utah when compared to Chicago and Baltimore? I'm willing to bet that the second group, so noble in the way that they 'raise awareness,' have higher murder rates than small town Kentucky.

  • General Butt Naked||

    And it's pretty hard for a place to have low awareness of gun violence when there's multiple murders daily, despite (or because of) strict gun laws.

  • robc||

    Even big city KY.

    We have murders in Louisville but I think we are reasonably safe (at least I am in the burbs).

  • robc||

    For 2011, Louisville had 7.2 murders per 100k.

    New Orleans was #1 (cities greater than 250k in population) at 57.6. Lincoln Nebraska was 1.5.

    New York was 6.3, Los Angeles 7.7, Chicago 15.9.

    We were higher than I would have guessed.

  • Irish||

    New Orleans was #1 (cities greater than 250k in population) at 57.6

    That is fucking staggering. How is that rate even possible?

  • Virginian||

    Dude, DC was 77 per 100k at some point in the 90s.

  • ||

    Have you ever been to New Orleans?

  • ||

    That question was in answer to Irish's query.

    That rate is possible because New Orleans is full of New Orleansers. Pray for another Katrina.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    And what are the murder rates in small town Kentucky and Utah when compared to Chicago and Baltimore?

    Last year Chicago had over 500 murders. In Lexington, Kentucky's 2nd biggest city, there were fewer than 20. In my town (just SW of Lexington), we haven't had a murder in the new century.

  • DK||

    90% of the guns used in the Mexican drug wars come from America Obama, according to Obama America.

    The guy just has some noun trouble.

  • General Butt Naked||

    So many dreams dashed!

    Those heady days of post-sandyhook when anything seemed possible, oh how I long for them!

  • ||

    Holy fucking shit. Welcome to Oceania.
    I swear to god, that makes me want to cry.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    In other happier news, my 1911 was shooting lower and lower as it broke in. I ordered a national match brrel bushing from EGW, and when I was fitting it, I made sure to fudge everything upward.

    Much more better now.

  • SIV||

    Is it one of those Filipino or Turkish 1911s?

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Brazilian referee quartered and beheaded by fans after killing a player

    One man has been arrested on suspicion of decapitating a referee at an amateur football match in Brazil.

    The referee was supposedly quartered and then had his head cut off before it was stuck on a stake.

    This shocking act of violence was in retaliation after he 'stabbed' one of the players on the pitch in the Pius XII stadium, Maranhao.


    Congratulations, Philadelphia! You are no longer the most thuggish, uncivilized, inhuman sports fans on the face of the Earth!

  • Acosmist||

    ??? What idiot thinks Philly fans match their hilarious stereotype? Cowboys fans?

  • Anonymous Coward||

  • Archduke Trousersenthusiast||

  • Dweebston||

    What the fuck, man? I was convinced you linked to The Onion.

  • Generic Stranger||

    According to Correio24horas, Octavio da Silva Catanhede Jordan, 20, sent off Josenir dos Santos Abreu, who refused to leave the field and began insulting him.

    The referee is said to have been carrying a knife and he stabbed the player several times.

    Fans - believed to be friends or relatives of the player - ran onto the field and stoned the referee to death.

    I'm not a big fan of mob justice, but I can't say this is all that shocking. You murder a guy in front of his friends and family and you can expect a violent response.

    This is less "crazy fans" more "crazy ref".

  • ||

    Beating him to death, perhaps not shocking. STONING him, then quartering him and then putting his head on a spike? DEFINITELY crazy.

  • Generic Stranger||

    Maybe they're just old school down there.

  • crashland||

    Not really, he just red carded the guy. Sure it was a sharp card but the guy wouldn't leave the field, so he had to keep giving him the red card until he left the damn field.

  • Irish||

    Did you miss the part where he stabbed him repeatedly?

  • ||

    I think he's making a joke.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Police seize homes, arrest owners to investigate neighbor

    A family is suing the city of Henderson, Nevada for violating their Third Amendment rights — the constitutional prohibition against quartering soldiers in a private home during peacetime without the owner’s consent.

    The Mitchell family says that’s essentially what happened when Henderson police allegedly arrested them for refusing to let officers use their homes for a “tactical advantage” in a domestic violence investigation into a neighbor, according to an official complaint.

    Police officers contacted Anthony Mitchell on July 10, 2011, with a request to use his house as a lookout while investigating his neighbor. When Mitchell told police that he did not wish to be involved, the complaint alleges, police decided they would use the residence anyway.

    According to Courthouse News Service, the police department decided that if Mitchell refused to leave or open the door, officers would force their way in and arrest him.

    At least they didn't kill his dog.

  • Dweebston||

    Only because the dog was already cowering against the wall when the officers politely let themselves in.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    90% of the guns used in the Mexican drug wars come from America, according to Obama.

    Yeah, I really liked that part.

    Analytical thinking is for suckers.

  • Sevo||

    The Late P Brooks| 7.6.13 @ 5:21PM |#
    "90% of the guns used in the Mexican drug wars come from America, according to Obama."

    Kalashnikova moved?

  • RBS||

    A living wage for all! Whatever the fuck that means...

  • Sevo||

    "Whatever the fuck that means..."
    I means moveon.org favors higher prices for everyone!

  • ||

    No, it means socialists are complete morons who think that money is wealth. All you have to do is mandate by law that everyone gets paid enough and we will all magically be rich.

    The sad thing is that lots of people beleive this. The evil part is that the pols who preach it dont.

  • Dweebston||

    What all is a "living wage" supposed to cover? Rent, utilities, sustenance? Cell phone plans, auto insurance, comprehensive healthcare, two weeks' paid vacation annually? Cable television with the premium HBO/Showtime package, but only if it's bundled with broadband? Drinking cash for a minimum of three nights a week?

  • RBS||

    Just 2 weeks? Why do you hate the working man?

  • ||

    Lots of porn

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Per capita income by state: http://www.scribd.com/doc/8272.....State-2010

    High value people vote liberal. Conservative states line the bottom of the cage.

    This is important for the future expansion of the LP.

  • Acosmist||

    This.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    The "socially liberal, economically frugal" demo is huge.

    But even Rand Paul cannot claim that simple ideal.

  • Acosmist||

    Blacks suddenly got really rich when I wasn't looking?

  • Generic Stranger||

    No, but the bureaucrats did. They're making hands over fist, and they almost all vote Democrat.

  • Generic Stranger||

    *making stealing money hands over fist*

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    So all liberals work for government or are black?

    Holy fuck - the Peanut Gallery here gets more fucking ignorant every day.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Excepting government payments (which go primarily to Republican voters) I do say D voters make more than R voters.

    Keep in mind SS/Medicare/Medicaid are by far the largest payouts and the GOP wins that over 65 demo easily.

  • Dweebston||

    Excepting government payments AND holding age constant? Believe it or not, people compelled to pay into these programs their entire productive lives don't like seeing their investments, such as they are, compromised, and Republicans are less frightening on that count that Democrats.

  • Sevo||

    Palin's Buttplug| 7.6.13 @ 7:20PM |#
    "Excepting government payments (which go primarily to Republican voters)"

    Elon Musk and Welsh are GOP voters? No shit?
    Go fuck your daddy.

  • Generic Stranger||

    No, not all liberals, but the public sector, on average, makes more than the private sector (because they're a bunch of fucking parasites that are killing the host), and the public sector is fucking OWNED by the Democrats. That swings things quite a bit.

  • Calidissident||

    Comparing per capita income across states is stupid. It's not adjusted for cost of living, and current political leanings isn't going to affect historical wealth of a state, which is obviously going to affect current wealth. Ex. California did not become rich when it was a dark blue state, and conservative Republicans weren't running the South for most of its history. And in the case of say, New York, liberal politics aren't the reason Wall Street is in New York City

  • DWC||

    Speaking of catfish: There are certain libertarian related things I have trouble wrapping my mind around. I say this being a libertarian since the 1980's. Maybe some of you can clarify for me. Take, for example, wildlife. Catfish for example - I live a short ways from the Ohio River. Although illegal in Indiana and in Ohio, commercial catfishing is allowed in Kentucky. There are many pay lakes in Ohio stocked with catfish caught in the Ohio River. These guys go in there with nets and catch unlimited amounts of catfish to stock their pay lakes and to sell to other pay lakes. They catch many tons of these fish to the point where they have seriously damaged catfishing for sport fishermen. They fish out an area and then move up or downstream to the next area. A nearby farmer I know has a friend who does this. He put some 3 or 4 thousand of these catfish into this farmers small pond waiting for the price to go up in the fall. There is no way these fish can survive for long in this pond and they are already started to die in numbers - hundreds. In a libertarian society, how do with deal with this? A relatively small group of people potentially destroying a fishery for profit. Now, I understand the argument that it is in their interests to protect this fishery, but people are often shortsighted. Who do wildlife belong to? Whoever got there first and exploited it first. Please clarify this for me. thanks

  • Calidissident||

    "The idea that these areas should be privately owned strikes me as a product of the same naivete that leads to liberalism."

    What? Is it opposite day?

    Having the government own this area guarantees exploitation. It is not in the interest of a private owner to have the fish go extinct

  • Calidissident||

    When would a fishery owner want it to go extinct?

  • Sevo||

    Calidissident| 7.6.13 @ 10:58PM |#
    "When would a fishery owner want it to go extinct?"

    When the fishery owner was harvesting the goods from the commons. If s/he doesn't, another will; it's the commons.

  • Warrren||

    Forget it Jake, it's Commons Town.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    Nature is more to me than a resource to be exploited.

    That's a sweet sentiment, sunshine. It doesn't help the fish, though.

  • robc||

    Start with getting rid of public fishing areas by selling them off and most of it takes care of itself.

  • ||

    In short: better-defined property rights. It doesn't sound like the Ohio River is owned by any one person, for instance. However, it isn't necessary for the River to be owned in order to fix this issue. Shares of fishing rights could help solve the problem. Just like with hunting season quotas, there can be sellable claims to a certain amount of fish from the river.

    I'm not an expert on hunting/fishing rights mechanisms, I'm basically just repeating some of what I remember being told by Joab Corey, an economist at Florida State. He was part of an IHS seminar I was at last summer, and he was asked a similar question about fishing by one of the students there.

  • Generic Stranger||

    Right. This has been tried in oceanic fisheries and worked wonderfully. Sell shares of fishing rights and limit the percentage of the overall population you can take, and companies will work their asses on to make that population bigger so they can take in more fish.

  • Generic Stranger||

    *asses off. I really need a fucking edit button this week.

  • Sevo||

    ..."A nearby farmer I know has a friend who does this. He put some 3 or 4 thousand of these catfish into this farmers small pond waiting for the price to go up in the fall. There is no way these fish can survive for long in this pond and they are already started to die in numbers - hundreds."...

    Uh, did this farmer pay for dead fish?

  • DWC||

    He is just letting his friend keep the fish there until the price goes up as a favor. Not that the pond will be habitable in the future.

  • Sevo||

    DWC| 7.6.13 @ 9:59PM |#
    "He is just letting his friend keep the fish there until the price goes up as a favor. Not that the pond will be habitable in the future."

    Well, sorta sounds like market signals will solve *that* problem:
    Guy gets 'get rich quick' idea, convinces buddy to share in supposed riches; buddy loses, etc.
    Hey, I got some stock props to hand out. For a price...

  • Sevo||

    So the local TV news is doing an OK job on the crash (looks like 2 deaths), interviews of several pilots, ete-witnesses, etc.
    One jarring issue: the cops round up the folks who are waiting for passengers and the passengers with no or minor injuries and stick 'em in a room; call it a holding cell! WIH?
    And then, we go back to the studio and they introduce SOME LOCAL CONGRESSIONAL LIFE-FORM whose expertise is that he flies in and out of SFO every... (click; TV off!)
    Goddam politico camera whores.

  • Mr. Wu||

    SOME LOCAL CONGRESSIONAL LIFE-FORM

    San Francisco Cocksucker!

  • Archduke Trousersenthusiast||

    My update said
    8 adults, 2 children criticaly injured.


    OMG WHAT ABOUT THE CHILLENZ!

  • RBS||

    Yeah, this is why I refuse to watch any sort of tv news when something "tragic" happens or any other time really.

  • Scooby||

    I can see holding the passengers in a room- they're international passengers that haven't cleared customs. Those waiting, on the other hand... WTF?

  • Sevo||

    Scooby| 7.6.13 @ 10:26PM |#
    "I can see holding the passengers in a room- they're international passengers that haven't cleared customs. Those waiting, on the other hand... WTF?"

    Yeah, you could justify it by that, but why chase the reporters off? Does customs require payment for comments that someone doesn't like?

  • ||

    Ladies and gentlemen, words of wisdom from Ms. Bette Midler!.

  • ||

    That woman is a menace.

  • ||

    We dont have healthcare? Holy shit, and all my life I thought....

    nevermind.

  • Nazdrakke||

    So anyone see this little gem from the administration yet?

  • RBS||

    It is not unprecedented for the government to use the honor system in situations in which it collects data on millions of individuals, said Timothy S. Jost, a law professor at Washington and Lee University in Lexington, Va., and a consumer advocate. For example, people are expected to report their cash tips to the Internal Revenue Service as income.
  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Self-reporting? No big deal. We have volunteered our tax data to the IRS for decades. Some people even say that mandatory reporting to the IRS violates the Fifth Amendment.

  • Sevo||

    Palin's Buttplug| 7.6.13 @ 7:37PM |#
    "Self-reporting? No big deal. We have volunteered our tax data to the IRS for decades."

    Yep, and therefore we should be happy for our NSA spies!
    Go fuck your daddy, dipshit.

  • ||

    This is uber cool. Draw a trend line and Google will give you search terms that follow that trend.

    Also, I've got the original Batman TV series on and it sucks. Hard.

  • ||

    Try to find Batman: The Animated Series.

  • RBS||

    What ASM said.

  • ||

    All of the Batman series voiced by Kevin Conroy rock. I'd recommend looking into most of the DCAU series.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCAU

  • RBS||

    The one I did got me results for the sony ericson p910i

  • ||

    I got oscommerce by drawing a diagonal line from top-left to bottom-right; it made me chuckle.

  • Archduke Trousersenthusiast||

    you can always watch Top Gear.

  • ||

    This is terrestrial TV.

  • Archduke Trousersenthusiast||

    I'm so sorry.

  • ||

    On the bright side, there were just six hummingbirds outside my window.

  • Warrren||

    The most interesting bird in the world

  • Ted S.||

    The most interesting bird in the world

    They don't always drink beer, but when they do, they prefer Dos Equis.

  • Archduke Trousersenthusiast||

    some say he survives on nothing but sugar water and Joss Stone records, but all I know is he's called the Stig.

  • General Butt Naked||

    Who can score the biggest correlation value?

    .9819 for flv.

  • General Butt Naked||

  • Archduke Trousersenthusiast||

  • Generic Stranger||

  • Sevo||

    General Butt Naked| 7.6.13 @ 7:52PM |#
    "Who can score the biggest correlation value?
    .9819 for flv."

    Not looking.
    Do you guys enjoy showing your skills (preferences) on the innertubes?
    Do you, oh, enter the names of all your relatives in genealogy sites?

    Who could possibly be recording that?

  • Archduke Trousersenthusiast||

    THE GOVERNMENT?

  • Sevo||

    Naaah! And if they did, why, it would *never* be used to, oh, influence elections!
    Which is, of course, EXACTLY what the IRS did, regardless of whether you can track it or not.
    The required those on one side of the discussion to pay more to make their statement than those (except two or three) on the other.
    If that isn't political corruption, I don;t know what is, and we still have the ignoramus shreeks of the world claiming 'so-called scandal'.

  • Archduke Trousersenthusiast||

    The key is to submit 80% garbage or noise into the æther

  • Sevo||

    Dunno.
    I'd rather not make a statement rather than just lie about things to avoid government assholes.

  • Warrren||

    Interest in midget scat porn is surprisingly consistent over the years.

  • ||

    Some good news for the future.

  • ||

    0.9188 root droid

    420 ROOT IT FAGGOT

  • Fatty Bolger||

    I've got the original Batman TV series on and it sucks. Hard.

    Of course. That's what people love about it.

  • SIV||

    Troll on Sockpuppet action!

  • Archduke Trousersenthusiast||

  • Warrren||

    He's good on guns but from reading some of his posts at his message board a few years ago he is a fascist when it comes to economic issues. IIRC there were a lot of pro-tariff, pro-buy-USA, punish businessmen type idiocy.

  • Calidissident||

    So you're saying he's American?

  • ||

    How insulting to us all. See, this is why I call him Merkin. It's a name that suits him well, since it's just there to hide that he's a big pussy.

  • Sevo||

    So is it copy and paste that "just" must be spelled "jsut"?
    Is it some copyright check?
    Pretty weird.

  • Warrren||

    Maybe the slaves' supervisors google the phrase to see where it appears and if it was spelled correctly there would be too many results.

  • Sevo||

    This is an MLM pyramid; not much profit without tracking who's pitching it.
    I'm guessing that the misspelled word is kinda like the intended error in the map makers copyrighted prints to find illegal copyists.

  • Warrren||

    Also the fake words in dictionaries.

  • Salvatore||

    and fake entries on maps

  • Warrren||

    Yeah, Sevo why didn't you think of that?

  • Warrren||

    Hey guys! Government is virtuous! Because argle bargle herp-a-derp or something.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....33636.html

    This thing about us being isolationist loners is so weird. How can a bunch of people who believe in free-exchange and voluntary market mechanisms and spontaneous order not be interested in grouping together with others to achieve our goals?

  • Warrren||

    Screw off, squirrels.

  • Warrren||

    Hey guys! Government is virtuous! Because argle bargle herp-a-derp or something.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....33636.html

    This thing about us being isolationist loners is so weird. How can a bunch of people who believe in free-exchange and voluntary market mechanisms and spontaneous order not be interested in grouping together with others to achieve our goals?

  • John||

    It would be nice if people would understand the Libertarian does not mean Anarchist. Yeah, we can have a government.

  • Warrren||

    I've never seen a comprehensive list of what are the things that only government can do.

    Need to agree on that first.

    Post office? Nope.

    Roads? Nope.

    Libraries? Nope.

    Firefighting? Nope.

    Physical security?

    Investigations? Nope.

    Retirement accounts? Nope.

    Health care? Nope.

    Environmental protection? Nope.

    Education? Nope.

    Border protection? Maybe, depends on how that's defined and what exactly needs to be done. But I'm not inclined to grant that either.

  • John||

    Enforce the laws, run the courts and conduct the national defense. You can't have a national economy without courts, a rule of law and legally protected and consistent property rights.

  • Warrren||

    Private courts and legal systems have long history of working.

    Why have a system subject to political capture and immune from lawsuits and competition?

  • John||

    Private courts only work if there is a government there to enforce the choice. You can have your private court. And when I don't like the result, I will tell you to go fuck yourself and without a government to enforce your decision, that is exactly what you will do. You show up to take my property and I will blow your head off. You say you won't do any more deals with me, so what I will keep your money and find another sucker somewhere else.

    Without a government to have a monopoly of force and make judgements enforceable, private courts will never work.

  • Warrren||

    Once you do that though you give up all the protection of the private courts.

    Welcome to being an outlaw and good luck living a normal life. If the amount is enough I can just hire professionals to collect and if you resist and are killed there is no liability for us as you voluntarily repudiated any protection agreements you had.

  • MJGreen||

    And why wouldn't you tell the government to fuck off in that scenario, John?

  • Redmanfms||

    And why wouldn't you tell the government to fuck off in that scenario, John?

    Superior firepower and numbers.

  • Agammamon||

    We might be better served trying to decide what the *maximum* amount of stuff the government should be doing is rather than the minimum.

    Libertarians run the gamut from anarchists to monarchist and all have a different idea of how minimal of a government we can get away with but I think we could come to a consensus on the desirable maximum government we should have.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    We might be better served trying to decide what the *maximum* amount of stuff the government should be doing is rather than the minimum.

    Libertarians run the gamut from anarchists to monarchist and all have a different idea of how minimal of a government we can get away with but I think we could come to a consensus on the desirable maximum government we should have.

    Except for those of us who think that the maximum and the minimum amount of government is the same thing.

  • robc||

    This.

    But I have told certain friends that I will shut up about federal spending at any time it is below 15% of GDP.

    That is way, way, way too high, but never say Im not willing to compromise.

  • John||

    And here is the other thing. Libertarians are isolationist loners, but Progs are the ones who hate religion, churches and corporations. Progs hate every form of association but government, which is the largest and most informal form of association.

  • John||

    impersonal i mean.

  • Salvatore||

    The problem with hot weather is too many shirtless men. Many of whom shouldn't be shirtless

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  • Warrren||

    There's a reason they call him Warty.

  • Salvatore||

    With today's tech, there's all kinds of reasons auto insurance would rock in a libertarian society
    1) Speed tracking devices
    if you speed, you void your insurance.
    2) seatbelts
    not wearing your seatbelt? no coverage!
    3) license?
    no state licenses, but my ins. company must test you before you buy insurance. maybe we recognize a standard set of credentials, if it exists. who enforces it?
    4) driving history?
    who will be driving your car? you, your grandmama, your sixteen year-old?
    5) when do you drive?
    drive to work, pay more. drive to the corner store, pay less.
    drive across the country? you are paying more.

  • np||

    That would only be that way if there was a monopoly on auto insurance. The opportunities for competitors would be immediately obvious.

    WRT speeding, I hope you're suggesting that somehow everyone driving the unlimited sections of the autobahn are uninsured...

  • np||

    *err, "not suggesting"

  • StephenBlackpool||

    Bloomberg News did several reports on farmed seafood in China and Vietnam. The seafood is raised and processed in absolute filth. "Asian seafood raised on pig feces approved for U.S. consumers" is one headline. We need a lot more protectionism.

  • Sevo||

    "We need a lot more protectionism."

    Go to hell.

  • Silly ol' Bear||

    If one can't tell the difference between tilapia, catfish, shark, flounder, bass, oysters, or trout, one doesn't deserve to eat fish, just throw more hamburger of the grill if one can figure out what that tastes like. Alligator is also good and, no, it does not taste like chicken. Shellfish is just as bad, most people can't tell lobster from crab, from craw-fish.

    MS is actually a very progressive state, we have one of the world's leading space centers, as well as leading the world in medical discoveries, things like the first heart and lung transplant, the cure for infantile AIDS, things like that. We have the greatest creative people per ratio of any other State. We are also one of the freest societies without people like Bloomberg "looking out" for us. We are one of the safest States in the Union since we can carry guns with OVER seven bullets! Silly North Easterners and Westerners don't have that right.

  • Death Rock and Skull||

    Wild caught Mississippi catfish sucks. The reason being that shit flows down hill, and Mississippi is at the very bottom of the hill where their catfish can bottom feed the feces of every other Midwestern state resulting in a nasty tasting catfish.

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  • Nichleim||

    i dont see how simply labeling catfish as catfish is protectionism. if anything it increases competition and puts certain companies who label certain fish falsly out of business. as a libertarian i dont get how other libertarians advocate fraud. is it ok if i fool someone into believing a steel bar painted gold is actually gold? is ok if i fool someone into believing grass is weed and then charge them? same damn thing morons.......

  • Sevo||

    Nichleim| 7.7.13 @ 5:48PM |#
    "i dont see how simply labeling catfish as catfish is protectionism. if anything it increases competition and puts certain companies who label certain fish falsly out of business. as a libertarian i dont get how other libertarians advocate fraud

    That word "libertarian". You use it but you seem to be confused as to its meaning.
    Oh, and RTFA.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    Nobody is advocating fraud. We're just pointing out that bullshit protectionist laws are not going to stop it, and will have "unintended" consequences that are far worse than the supposed fraud the laws were supposed to prevent.

  • Nichleim||

    but its not a protectionist law...its a law that simply labels catfish more accuratly.....how the fuck is that protectionism...am i a protectist if i label orange juice ...orange juice from nicks house? what are the consequences of labeling food more accuratly....there are none....the pros are pretty obvious...people know what their eating...how is that bad?

  • Sevo||

    Nichleim| 7.7.13 @ 10:36PM |#
    "but its not a protectionist law."

    Bullshit. RTFA

  • Fatty Bolger||

    Mississippi Passes Catfish Origin Law

    10 April, 2008 - Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour on Tuesday signed a bill that requires the state's restaurants to disclose the origin of the catfish they serve. The law becomes effective July 1.

    If a restaurant sells imported catfish, its menu must include that information in a typeface the same size as the listing for the catfish entree.

    The regulation is designed to protect the domestic catfish industry from imports of catfish and similar fish like pangasius, or basa, which is predominantly farmed in Asia. The majority of domestic catfish is raised in Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana.
  • Tejicano||

    "is it ok if i fool someone into believing a steel bar painted gold is actually gold?"

    Ha ha! If somebody is stupid enough to pay gold prices for painted steel I doubt a label will change the world for such an idiot. Besides, at that level of fraud the con man would just as easily create the proper "label" to "prove" his steel bar really is gold.

  • Sevo||

    "Ha ha! If somebody is stupid enough to pay gold prices for painted steel I doubt a label will change the world for such an idiot."

    This is the point.
    Dirtbags like Nichleim presume government intervention will obviate the need for dirtbags like Nichleim to have to make informed choices!
    Dirtbags like Nichleim hope that a government funded by you and me will be their mommy and daddy so that dirtbags like Nichleim will never have to make adult decisions and act as moral agents! It's just too hard to figger it out for dirtbags like Nichleim!
    So dirtbags like Nichleim would really rather *you* pay for someone to help them change their diapers.

  • Nichleim||

    people get scammed all the time with gold and silver...your just saying its ok for companies and institutions that are not part of the black market to completely lie to people and give them something else when their not educated enough or dont have the equipment to tell the difference. i guess you think its ok to steal and if you get taken then its your fault for being stupid. shame on you motherfucker.

  • Sevo||

    Nichleim| 7.7.13 @ 10:40PM |#
    "people get scammed all the time with gold and silver.."

    WIH are you posting about? Idiots get scammed by people trying to sell bridges, for pete's sake!
    Do you presume sleazebags like Obozo will somehow save idiots like you from themselves?
    Go change your own diaper; I'm tired of paying taxes for someone to wipe you ass for you.

  • Sevo||

    "shame on you motherfucker."

    Gee, I missed this.
    Go fuck your daddy, shitbag.

  • Nichleim||

    all im saying is that it would be nice to know wtf im eating...lol i pay taxes and no one goes near my ass lol......i dont have time to study all the species of fuckin fish..what they look like..their texture...their taste. who has time for that shit. you expect everyone to be fuckin god and know the contents of everything that they eat. you expect people to know every aspect of everything that they eat.

  • Sevo||

    Nichleim| 7.7.13 @ 11:40PM |#
    "all im saying is that it would be nice to know wtf im eating."

    All you're saying is that you want me to pay for the fact that you're too damn lazy to make adult choices.
    Screw you, asshole!

  • Robert||

    You're not selling me with this "red tape" business. Can you give examples showing the difficulty? Seems just about trivial to have someone write on a piece of paper, "This fish is from..." wherever.

  • Sevo||

    Robert| 7.7.13 @ 9:50PM |#
    "You're not selling me with this "red tape" business. Can you give examples showing the difficulty?"

    Tell ya what, bozo, you go fill out the forms and let us know how it went.
    Got a hint for you: It's not up to someone griping to prove it's a pain in the ass, it's up to idiots like you to prove it's worth more than it costs.
    So let's see it Robert. We're all waiting...

  • Robert||

    That's easy for you to say, you already believe that. What I don't see is an example from Linnekin showing how the difficulty in filling out the forms is any significant fraction of that of catching the fish in the 1st place. If it raises cost by only a penny a fish, nobody's going to be motivated to change it.

  • Robert||

    Like for instance, if anybody described the drug situation as so horrible because you needed to get a signed piece of paper to buy drugs, who'd pay att'n?

  • Sevo||

    Robert| 7.8.13 @ 3:32PM |#
    "That's easy for you to say, you already believe that. What I don't see is an example from Linnekin showing how the difficulty in filling out the forms is any significant fraction of that of catching the fish in the 1st place.

    Let's be clear; you seem to think that arguing AGAINST regulation changes the burden of proof.
    It doesn't. It's up to the regulators (or their idiot defenders; that would be you) to show the benefits exceed the costs.
    Now, Robert, SHOW the advantage and compare that to the costs, or you can STFU and admit you're an idiot.
    Is that clear?

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