Down the Health Care Wormhole

How ObamaPelosiCare will saddle future generations with a public policy disaster

If we can put a man on the moon, we can re-write the basic laws of supply and demand and get more quality health care, dispensed by fewer providers per patient, at lower prices for all Americans. Sure we can. Just like we ended poverty with the Great Society, and like we’ll impose liberal democracy on the corrupt oligarchy ruling a collection of tribes known as Afghanistan.

Landing humans on the lunar surface looks like an easily do-able dream when set beside many of the ideologically and anecdotally driven social, economic, and foreign policy nightmares cooked up by public officials in the last half-century of big government. That truth is explored in the appropriately titled book, If We Can Put a Man on the Moon...: Getting Big Things Done in Government (though, it should be noted, the book doesn’t advocate getting big things done by big government).

Published last year, it was co-authored by former Reason Foundation privatization analysts John O’Leary and William D. Eggers. Together, the authors bring experienced insight about how good, bad, and really awful public policy ideas are generated, and then how those ideas should be tested in terms of design, adoption, implementation, achievement of intended results, and periodic review.

And after deconstructing health care "reform" via the O’Leary-Eggers model, you’d have to be moonstruck to believe that ObamaPelosiCare is headed for anything but a crash landing.

When the Supreme Court was trying to define pornography in order to judge certain anti-obscenity statutes, Justice Potter Stewart famously said, “I know it when I see it.”  Therein lies the fatal flaw in trying to reform a sixth or seventh of the economy related to personal health. So-called health care reform fails at the very first stage posited by Eggers and O’Leary, ideation, because—like beauty and porn—reform is in the eyes of the beholder.

In the left-liberal imagination, health care reform means getting the greedy bad guys in private enterprise out of health care delivery and securing the “right” to health care with a “single payer” system. That euphemism, like most verbal obfuscations, is a tacit admission that there’s nothing remotely close to public consensus about changing health care delivery. In the free-market conservative imagination, reform would mean buying health care in the same way we purchase milk, whiskey, or a new Lexus, linking consideration of price to unlimited desire for stuff.

Of course, we already have both free-market and government-run health care, which is the other great obstacle to reform. We have the worst of both worlds, with government Medicare and Medicaid providing a big pile of increasingly deficit-financed dollars sitting aside another mountain of cash generated by mostly tax exempt, employer-provided insurance coverage. Both of these mounds of free moolah discourage any consideration of price while they encourage demand. Doctors, hospitals, and Big Pharma do their best to Hoover suck billions from both piles. And politicians facilitate the process by pandering to a 40-million-strong lobby of greedy geezers (“the folks who built this great nation”) and a free lunch-seeking middle class.

For the sake of argument, let us hallucinate that reform was a big idea whose time had come. Then let’s subject it to the second phase of the O’Leary-Eggers construct: design.

ObamaPelosiCare was most certainly not designed by Barack Obama or Nancy Pelosi or any other leader. In fact, it wasn’t designed by anybody. It was a Rube Goldberg contraption of bells, whistles, and trap doors tossed together by K Street representatives of insurers and providers, colluding with their congressional clients. In a lobbying orgy, they mostly succeeded in getting bigger pieces of what promised to be a hugely expanding pie, bringing millions into the private (though massively subsidized by the government) insurance pool, with largely unfunded mandates against insurance exclusion for pre-existing conditions, and deficit-funded new “services” like even more free drugs for old people.

By the summer of 2009, with the president of the United States engaging in sloganeering and finger-pointing at the enemy du jour (insurers and Big Pharma, mostly), an angry citizenry emerged to flail away at the Big Idea. Yet there wasn’t even a clear definition of what reform actually meant, which left the specifics up to the imagination. This in turn produced much angry howling and congressional town hall meetings and helped stimulate the amorphous, citizen-directed tea party movement.

By year’s end, reform seemed doomed, until Commanders Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi rammed it through the wormhole of Stargate, as O'Leary and Eggers metaphorically label the adoption stage of their construct. The Stargate is the sci-fi gateway from our apparently real world to parallel universes with alternate forms of reality, popularized in the military science fiction movie and TV series of the same name. Without a trace of bipartisan consensus, and with the opposition from the center of the electorate bordering on fury, Pelosi and her allies used brute political force to hurl "reform" cosmic distances ahead into the regulation-writing hands of future bureaucrats, who will have to square liberal hallucinations with real-economy conditions sometime far, far away.

It isn’t often a landmark law makes it though the Stargate given the fortunate Madisonian obstacle course that thwarts change. But when paradigm shifting legislation has cleared those hurdles, there almost always has been significant consensus—or at least some modicum of bipartisan cooperation. Not so with ObamaPelosiCare.

It doesn’t take much imagination to see the pitfalls that will occur when bureaucrats attempt to enter the implementation stage of an undesigned, unpopular public policy creation. The results are likely to be even worse than the 1000 percent error made in projecting eventual Medicare costs when that program was adopted in the 1960s. Today, Medicare is eating tax dollars like some hungry Godzilla. In a few years, ObamaPelosiCare will make that monster look like a little lizard.

A former reporter and political press secretary, Terry Michael teaches college journalists  about politics, and writes at his “libertarian Democrat” web site, www.terrymichael.net.

Bonus Reason.tv video: If We Can Put a Man on the Moon... authors William D. Eggers and John O’Leary discuss why large-scale government projects typically go so wrong—and how to change a culture that almost demands such failure.

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  • Jordan||

    ObamaCare: Too big to not fail.

  • Randy Newman||

    Dare to dream small.

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    The Council on Foreign Relations accuses the Tea Party and Glenn Beck of sedition!

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    The Freemen Institute!

  • ||

    So, can she blink? Or do membranes just slide across her eyes periodically?

  • Jimmy 'Crack' Corn||

    +250 (I hate Pelosi so much. Plus, my old friend from California said that her opponents have always called her "Old Snake eyes". )

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    + another 250 = 500

  • NeonCat||

    Um, the Stargate goes to parallel worlds only when something goes horribly wrong. It goes to alien worlds for the most part.

  • Butts Wagner||

    ALL HAIL HYPNO-PELOSI!

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    That is the dumbest thing I've ever...ALL HAIL HYPNO-PELOSI!

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    Animated gif time.

  • Hypno-Toad||

    Hey! You're supposed to watch ME!

  • Butts Wagner||

    As you wish Madam Speaker. *strangles Hypno-Toad*

  • You're Doing It Wrong||

    It's not all hai... ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNO-PELOSI.

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    That reminds me: what provisions are there in ObamaCare for malpractice suits in the event of cosmetic surgery gone horribly, horribly wrong?

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    Or do membranes just slide across her eyes periodically?

    Yes; horizontally.

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    < blinktag > HYPNO-PELOSI < /blinktag>

  • LibertyGal||

    ...with the president of the United States engaging in sloganeering and finger-pointing at the enemy du jour (insurers and Big Pharma, mostly)

    Tim Carney likens the Dems pushing Obamacare to the snake oil salesmen of the 19th century. With one hand they hold a product claiming to be poison, yet in the other hand they hold a bottle with the exact same product in it. Yes, it benefits the insurance cos who will collect 38 million more premium payments each and every month, and BigPharma because the Advisory committee will determine the expensive chemo drugs are necessary and pay a market price while 'squeezing' as Pelosi says, other payments. It's a transfer of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy under the guise of liberalism helping the poor under a legalized price-fixing cartel.

  • Jimmy 'Crack' Corn||

    "And politicians facilitate the process by pandering to a 40-million-strong lobby of greedy geezers (“the folks who built this great nation”) and a free lunch-seeking middle class."

    I guess I am having a problem with the often stated opinion that the greedy geezer or Baby Boomer types are somehow riding on the coattails of the current generations of taxpayers.

    I remember when the Medicare law was passed in 1965, and I was one year out of high school. I started paying a 2.9% payroll tax for Medicare, and have been paying it for nearly 40 years. And as a 'boomer', I am still paying for it. How does that constitute being greedy when at whatever time I retire, I will start expecting the coverage I paid for for over 40 years?

    Same with Social Security. That will be close to 50 years paying in. Do people younger than I now get to say they dont want to put into the system?

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    How does that constitute being greedy when at whatever time I retire, I will start expecting the coverage I paid for for over 40 years?

    Same with Social Security. That will be close to 50 years paying in. Do people younger than I now get to say they dont want to put into the system?

    Because despite how much you've paid into the system, you're scheduled to get much more out. You didn't pay for it. You paid for part of it; if you paid for all of what you're schedule to get out, there wouldn't be a problem.

    This has been true for as long as the program has existed. Each year we've borrowed from the future generations.

    We've gotten by because there were lots of workers to pay for each retiree getting back more than what they put in. As people live longer, and as the demographic bulge called the baby boom retires, we have a problem; not enough workers to pay for it.

    The only options are to either slash benefits, or to accelerate the death blossom by stealing even more from future generations and those still working.

  • Jimmy 'Crack' Corn||

    They have already slashed some of my SS benefits, I guess Obamacare will get into my Medicaid too.

    It's tough when you dont have time to recover.

  • Some Guy||

    Your generation destroyed our future, you might as well feel some of the effects while you're still around.

  • Jimmy 'Crack' Corn||

    Some Guy - Go screw yourself. You dont have a clue...

  • pmains||

    No they didn't. By law, your Social Security benefits can never decrease.

    Some people have Medicare payments deducted from their Social Security checks. If your payments go up, then your check size can go down. That's not the same as "slashing" your benefits.

  • ||

    That's some nice disemblin' there, my man. We could use you in DC.

  • ||

    While you might have paid payroll or mecare taxes for 50 years, it isn't like they didn't spend that money right then, ON YOU. They certainly did not spend a penny of it on people not even born yet.

    There is absolutely nothing moral about saying "they did it to me so I am going to do it to others".

  • Jimmy 'Crack' Corn||

    Marshall Gill- Your statements indicate that you do not have a clue what is going on.

    First off, they didn't spend any money on me. I have never received any Social Security or Medicare payments ever.
    As far as what they spent the money on over the last fifty years, it wasn't authorized by anyone I voted for, you ignorant cs.

    And, I am not try to do anything to others, you s*** for brains. Sounds like you are trying to say, "I dont want to pay taxes that I dont benefit from." Who does? Get off your high horse and shut up.

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    Jimmmy, they did spend the money. Right now the "Lock Box" has nothing but IOU's in it. Both sides of the aisle have been siphoning funds from SS and Medicare to pay for their other unfunded social programs. So guesss what. No money for you.....

  • Jimmy 'Crack' Corn||

    Wrong, It...,
    The money will come from you, just like my money went to others. So keep your day job...

  • ||

    Well, we can always hope that you fucking die soon.

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    I have never received any Social Security or Medicare payments ever.

    Science you are a turd. The money that you "paid in" went to the general fund. It was spent immediately. It was also considerably less than what you expect the next generation to pay you.

    Seriously, go fucking kill yourself.

  • old guy||

    There is another option, terminate the old.

    That's my bet.

  • Michael York||

    Send all those over 75 to Carrousel...if they resist, send in the Sandmen.
    Of course, we will eventually have to lower the age. "retirement" will take on a whole new meaning.

  • KPTX||

    John,I think you are wrong here. First, if I had paid even just 2.9% of my income over the last 40 years and that income over the period had average say $50K then I would have paid $58,000 over the period, and that's without interest compounding. If you run the compunding (I don't have that sort of calulator with me) I bet the total would be a considerable amount of money, even just using a modest rate such as the inflation rate. It is highly likely I would not spend the said amount of money over the period of my later years when drawing Medicare. And if you consider the same exercise with Social Security you might see why Americans get upset when saying there won't be any money available when they need the supposed benefit they are due from compulsory payments into the system. The reason this has occurred is because our wonderful government has "borrowed" money from these programs to fund other "entitlement" programs. And now, said government does not have the means to pay back the said "borrowed" money. I liken this to legalized theft and a sham on the American populace!!

  • ||

    40 years ago you made 40K? Wow!

    Most pay into the medicare system approx 60K with compounding. They then receive a $25,000 per year health care policy at age 65. You would eat through that in 3 to 4 years. Sorry folks, but medicare has no actuarial basis and that is why good old Uncle Sam is operating a trillion dollar Ponzi scheme. Hint: Buy gold and land

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    John, you’re a bit off here. Boomers paid for their grandparents, parents AND themselves. They were paying in surpluses for decades. Surpluses that the government turned into worthless nonnegotiable bonds in a file cabinet somewhere in Virginia. Now the days of surplus are over and those bonds have to be redeemed. So now we will get our screwing just like we always knew we would.

    If you compared apples and apples you would have to inflation adjust all the contributions. A 1970 dollar would buy a lot more than a dollar today will. We are not going to get more than we put in if we are lucky we will break even but don’t bet on it.

    I don’t say this to get into a p**sing contest with anyone, we all knew it was a ponzi scheme so we aren’t that surprised. You younger folks take note, this government will be after your 401’k and your IRA’s next. As soon as they run out of money they will go where the money is. Don’t put any, I mean any, faith in government. They are only out for themselves and they only care about themselves. You should do the same.

  • MJ||

    You do know how Ponzi schemes work? More importantly, you do know why they inevitably fail?

    Because we got roped into a bad deal does not mean we should want to impose it on the following generations ad infinitum.

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    Jimmy, every penny you put in has been spent. There is not one cent of "your" money left in the system.

    You've never paid for any coverage or benefits for yourself. You've always been paying for coverage and benefits for other people.

    Sorry if you thought otherwise.

  • KPTX||

    RC - while what you say may be true (i don't think it is) it being true does not make it right. In fact, it just proves the opposite IMO. It proves that the system is unsustainable (quite an overused word these days) into the future. Why would we want to propogate such a bad system??!!

  • Jimmy 'Crack' Corn||

    I didn't think otherwidse, I was just trying to explain the dilema, not the fact that assholes like Ted Kennedy have already spent the money I sent in on illegal immigrants, welfare moms, the military industrial complex, banks, etc.

    It does not mean I am not still entitled to receive those benefits. Soon, you will have to start paying for mine. If you want to close the barn door, wait until you get your benefits. Of course, mine will be delayed until I am 67. Perhaps yours wont be paid until your 72. Join the real world.

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    JCC: Someone held you up at gunpoint and took your money. That sucks for you. I'm not responsible for what the thieves took. That is totally between you and thieves.

    You have no right to turn around and hold up someone else to "get yours." The end.

  • Jimmy 'Crack' Corn||

    "TQ|4.20.10 @ 8:52PM|#
    JCC: Someone held you up at gunpoint and took your money. That sucks for you. I'm not responsible for what the thieves took. That is totally between you and thieves.
    You have no right to turn around and hold up someone else to "get yours." The end"

    Ahhh TQ, you just dont understand. It is not me that is going "to turn around and hold up" you, it is going to be that same "Someone held you up at gunpoint" that is going to hold up you.

    So I dont have to do a thing. Welcome to the real world...

  • Jimmy 'Crack' Corn||

    "TQ|4.20.10 @ 8:52PM|#
    JCC: Someone held you up at gunpoint and took your money. That sucks for you. I'm not responsible for what the thieves took. That is totally between you and thieves.
    You have no right to turn around and hold up someone else to "get yours." The end"

    Ahhh TQ, you just dont understand. It is not me that is going "to turn around and hold up" you, it is going to be that same "Someone held you up at gunpoint" that is going to hold up you.

    So I dont have to do a thing. Welcome to the real world...

  • ||

    Ahhh TQ, you just dont understand. It is not me that is going "to turn around and hold up" you, it is going to be that same "Someone held you up at gunpoint" that is going to hold up you.

    So I dont have to do a thing. Welcome to the real world.

    So, they are pieces of shit, and you are happily helping them.

    I have been a tad ill, lately. What was it that just came out of my ass? Jimmy 'Crack' Corn.

  • Jeffersonian||

    Analysts have just finished decoding the first part of the Obamacare bill. It seems the first page reads, "To Serve Man."

  • Mr. Misquoter||

    Man is a dish best served cold.

  • Hanibal Lecter||

    With fava beans and a nice chee-an-tee.

    (sucks teeth)

  • ||

    Healthcare lawsuit:

    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2010/04/prweb3892154.htm

  • Some Guy||

    In the free-market conservative imagination...

    One of these things is not like the other. One of these things does not belong.

    This in turn produced much angry howling and congressional town hall meetings and helped stimulate the amorphous, citizen-directed tea party movement.

  • Some Guy||

    What happened to half of my post?

    ...

    Fox News created the Tea Party movement. No one can seriously believe otherwise.

    The Stargate is the sci-fi gateway from our apparently real world to parallel universes with alternate forms of reality

    No, it's not.

  • pmains||

    What other things do you seriously believe? Do you believe the Rick Santelli is a commentator on Fox News?

  • Some Guy||

    No, he's someone from CNBC who had no problem with bank bailouts, but got things half right.

  • West Texas Boy||

    No, he's someone from CNBC

    Okaaaay, now reconcile this with your post 3 levels up about Fox News.

    Just because Fox News isn't sekptical or demeaning of the Tea Partiers doesn't mean that it was their own media construct.

    The Tea Party was effectively created by Congress in 2009, the last time they rammed through a large partisan* spending package of political patronage... before ObamaCare came along and dwarfed it.

    The "stimulus" package was the spark that started it, ObamaCare is the big honking tree trunk thrown on the fire.

    * And before anyone says, "the stimulus was bipartisan!" remember that Arlen Specter subsequently switched parties and that the Bopsie Twins from Maine regularly lent GOP cover to big government follies until they recently got wise to the national disenchantment that has affected even their own dear state of statist Moose and LL Bean lovers.

  • Some Guy||

    Okaaaay, now reconcile this with your post 3 levels up about Fox News.

    Conceived of by Fox News personalities? Check.

    Promoted and hyped by Fox News? Check.

    Had Fox News people at every major early event, on stage and behind the scenes? Check.

    The Tea Party was effectively created by Congress in 2009

    If it has been 2008, they would have some credibility.

    And before anyone says, "the stimulus was bipartisan!"

    Has anyone ever said that? You're the first person I've ever heard even claim someone claimed that.

    Of course the bailouts were most certainly bipartisan, and that is where the latest treason began.

  • Jimmy 'Crack' Corn||

    Some guy -

    I need to here from you one more time, 'it's all Bush's fault'.

    Crap, you get tiresome.

  • Jimmy 'Crack' Corn||

    West Texas Boy -

    +10

  • ||

    Right. The Stargate goes to other parts of the galaxy, and can be made to access other galaxies, but it's the same reality. That kind of error really bugs me; it's like he's trying to reach out to geeks but has only shown that his own geekiness is sub-par.

  • Some Guy||

    That actually annoyed me more than the other stuff, for some reason. Cause I'm used to hearing that.

  • ||

    I'm still confused.. . by social welfare programs. If you can't afford something, then you can't have it. .. what is with this illogical bleeding heart lunacy that everything has to be fair and equal these days?

    It's the age of banning consumer freedom and killing the free market... for equality and safety.

    "He who sacrifices liberty for safety will get niether, and deserves niether" ~Thomas Jefferson.

    Perhaps the government should buy us all boats just incase God tries to flood out all the pussies.

  • West Texas Boy||

    If you can't afford something, then you can't have it.

    Sure we can, we just have to create a crisis to be able to afford it.

    If they just came straight out and said, "we need to raise taxes so that we can spend the money on poor people and redistribute all of your income, that, by the way, you have too much of," that would never fly with the electorate.

    So instead they say, "we need to raise taxes so that we can PAY OFF ALL OF THIS DEBT!!! (that we, ummm, ran up redistributing your income in advance, because we thought you had too much of it)"

    Either way, they get what they want, redistributed income. It's just one big accounting scheme in the end and the productive members of society are the ones who get suckered.

    It's always better to ask for forgiveness after the fact than permission in the first place, no matter what you're talking about, government spending included.

  • ||

    Let's just declare a global jubilee and reboot. Come on, we can star afresh and reinflate the bubbles.

    Who's with me?

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    There was once a time where I almost (but not quite) thought that Pingback was a sort-of useful idea. The pingbacks to this article have completely demonstrated the stupidity of almost (but not quite) that!

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    AAAAHAHAHAHAHA

    I LOVE how The Jacket waves away all the moon shots, the Viking probes, the Voyager Probes, Helios, Pathfinder, the shuttle program, Hubble, et fucking cetera as "total failure", then minutes later, glibertarian douchebag interviewee #2 complains about how people suffer from confirmation bias.

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  • ||

    Terry, Terry, Terry...The reason it's 1/6th or 1/7th of the economy is because it was off the charts out of control! We could not longer afford to do it that way any more. We had to do it another way. If the Republicans weren't so damn focused on damaging Obama's presidency, we might have come up with an even better solution. As it is, it's certainly better than doing nothing at all.

  • ||

    Nope, Tony, the health care bill is indeed worse than nothing. The problem is a textbook failure of socialized markets. The 'solution' is more intervention on a massive scale effectively destroying any possibility for natural markets to recover efficiency. The result will be higher costs and less availability.

  • kent||

    This is just a bad post. It doesn't get into any of the specifics of the bill at all, or explain why they would be bad. It just consists of a bunch of hand-waving and 'boo government bad.' Just dreadful.

    For instance,

    "In the left-liberal imagination, health care reform means getting the greedy bad guys in private enterprise out of health care delivery and securing the “right” to health care with a “single payer” system. That euphemism, like most verbal obfuscations, is a tacit admission that there’s nothing remotely close to public consensus about changing health care delivery. In the free-market conservative imagination, reform would mean buying health care in the same way we purchase milk, whiskey, or a new Lexus, linking consideration of price to unlimited desire for stuff."

    precisely misses Obama's concept, which is neither left nor right, by these definitions. This is not a single-payer bill, but it also doesn't succumb to the delusion that health care is a good like any other.

    The author of this piece doesn't know the first thing about Obama's health care bill. The piece is an embarrassment.

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  • Gary Pierce||

    I really like Terry Michael.

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  • Michael||

    For people in Germany its a blessing to have a public health insurance here. Germans are wondering why so many people in the USA are voting against that.
    Regards from Germany
    Michael
    http://singledad.de

  • Centro Benessere Abano Terme||

    Obama care will fail for sure!

  • Fran Alam||

    If you are looking for international examples of large government projects which go wrong, check out the Australian national broadband network project. It hasn't even taken off properly and it is a laughing stock. Bring on the free market!
    Squash Rackets

  • casaria||

    Same comment as my German colleague. In France the public heatlhcare is 100% free, open to all and of good quality - I know it because my family have faced a serie of cancers (OK this may be one of the few highlights of the country). But we are so accustomed to see the State take care of our loved ones that we de not understand why Americans refuse to be cared for themselves and their families... It's really a point total misunderstanding for the French. It's seems that a poor in France has better chance to get a good treatment than a rich American...
    Greetings from Paris,
    Casaria - http://www.zone-credit.com

  • ปลวก||

    It goes to alien worlds for the most part.

  • Watch Hockey||

    I think the system they follow to select the federal candidate ballot is not sophisticated. The ballot must be individual for each federal candidate.

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  • RAN||

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  • Milton Keynes SEO||

    Its the same here in the UK. The health service may be free but immigration is starting to take its toll on the free services. The Tori govenment are cutting too fast too soon but they cant see the damage its doing to our front line services.

  • Theron Golebiewski||

    this wholecare obamacare issue is balony!

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  • Mr. Funny Shirts||

    I think there might be reason to worry about Obama Care. The Gov getting more involved in our lives where there will be another debacle just like handling the debt. I really can take care of myself, thank you,

  • Sam owen||

    Obama Care seems like a scheme that realistically can not be sustained with today's economical situation. Most western world governments seem to rush into things without doing the proper research. They therefore perform poorly and can nearly cripple some economies. Obama Care is a very poor band-aide rather than a cure!

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