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Government's Theory for Prosecuting Don Lemon as to Disruption of Minneapolis Church Service
The indictment in U.S. v. Levy-Armstrong has been unsealed; I excerpted the key allegations as to the disruption itself in this post. But what about Don Lemon, the former longtime CNN reporter who livestreamed the disruption?
If a person breaks a speech-neutral law in order to record and publish something, his motivation generally doesn't give him any First Amendment right to break the law. That's true as to trespass laws, wiretapping laws, and more. And that's true whether the person is working for a professional news outlet or just acting on his own.
At the same time, the government still has to show all the elements of the crime as to each defendant, and sometimes it might be unable to do that as to the person who is just trying to report on the event. An example: The crime of burglary generally (to oversimplify) requires unlawfully entering onto property with the intent to commit a further crime there, often theft. If a gang of people break into a store in order to steal from it, they may well be guilty of commercial burglary.
But if someone else walks into the store and livestream them doing it, then the elements of commercial burglary wouldn't be satisfied, because he didn't enter with the intent to commit a further crime. He is therefore not guilty—not because his acting as a journalist gives him a First Amendment immunity, but because his lack of intent to steal means the elements of the crime are absent as to him.
Lemon, together with other defendants, was indicted for violating 18 U.S.C. § 241, which in relevant part makes it a crime to
conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person … in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States
and 18 U.S.C. § 248(a)(2), which in relevant part makes it a crime to
by force or threat of force or by physical obstruction, intentionally injures, intimidates or interferes with or attempts to injure, intimidate or interfere with any person lawfully exercising or seeking to exercise the First Amendment right of religious freedom at a place of religious worship.
To convict Lemon, the government has to show all the elements of the crime as to him. It has to show that he conspired with the others to oppress people in their free exercise of religion, which is to say that he entered into an express or implicit agreement with them to commit the underlying unlawful acts (§ 241). And it has to show (to oversimplify slightly) that he either personally used force or threat of force or physical obstruction to intentionally interfere with their religious worship (§ 248), or that he is guilty as a coconspirator or an accomplice.
Whether the government can do that, I assume, will be a matter for trial (or perhaps for pretrial motions practice, though I doubt that such motions will resolve the issue). Here are the government's factual allegations as to Lemon—again recall that they largely aim to prove a conspiracy between Lemon and the others, and not (with some exceptions) specific obstructive actions by Lemon:
All defendants met at a shopping center for a pre-op briefing, during which ARMSTRONG and ALLEN advised other co-conspirators, including defendants KELLY, LEMON, RICHARDSON, LUNDY, CREWS, FORT, and AUSTIN, about the target of their operation (i.e., Cities Church) and provided instruction on how the operation would be conducted once they arrived at the Church. Once at the Church, all of the defendants entered the Church to conduct a takeover-style attack and engaged in various acts in furtherance of the conspiracy….
Overt Act# 4: At the pre-operation briefing, defendants ARMSTRONG and ALLEN advised other co-conspirators, including defendants KELLY, LEMON, RICHARDSON, LUNDY, CREWS, FORT, and AUSTIN, about the target of their operation (i.e., Cities Church) and provided instruction on how the operation would be conducted once they arrived at the Church.
Overt Act# 5: On the morning of January 18, 2026, defendant LEMON began livestreaming on his internet-based show, "TheDonLemonShow," where he explained to his audience that he was in Minnesota with an organization that was gearing up for a "resistance" operation against the Federal Government's immigration policies, and he took steps to maintain operational secrecy by reminding certain co-conspirators to not disclose the target of the operation and stepped away momentarily so his mic would not accidentally divulge certain portions of the planning session.
Overt Act# 6: During a discussion with defendant ARMSTRONG at the pre-op briefing, (a) defendant LEMON thanked defendant ARMSTRONG for what she was doing and assured her that he was "not saying … what's going on" (i..e., was not disclosing the target of the operation); (b) defendant ARMSTRONG explained that "Operation Pullup" was a "clandestine" operation in which she and other agitators would "show up somewhere that is a key location, [where the targets] don't expect us … , and we disrupt business as usual. That's what we're about to go do right now."; and (c) defendant LEMON said he would see her there.
Overt Act# 7: Before heading to the Church to join his co-conspirators, defendant LEMON advised his livestream audience that, "We're going to head to the operation. Again, we're not going to give any, any of the information away" (i.e., operational details that would disclose where he and his co-conspirators were heading)….
Overt Act# 11: While enroute to the Church, defendant RICHARDSON told defendant LEMON that they had to "catch up" to the others, and defendant LEMON replied, "Let's go, catch up"; and, because he was still livestreaming, LEMON instructed RICHARDSON and an unidentified male, "Don't give anything away" (i.e., don't divulge information about the operation), and advised his audience, "We can't say too much. We don't want to give it up."
Overt Act# 12: Continuing on the morning of January 18, 2026, all of the defendants, together with other co-conspirators, entered the Church sanctuary, with the first wave positioning themselves among the congregants and the second wave, led by defendants ARMSTRONG and ALLEN, commencing the disruptive takeover operation, in which the first wave of agitators then actively joined….
Overt Act# 15: While inside the Church, defendants ARMSTRONG, ALLEN, KELLY, LEMON, RICHARDSON, LUNDY, CREWS, FORT, and AUSTIN oppressed, threatened, and intimidated the Church's congregants and pastors by physically occupying most of the main aisle and rows of chairs near the front of the Church, engaging in menacing and threatening behavior, (for some) chanting and yelling loudly at the pastor and congregants, and/or physically obstructing them as they attempted to exit and/or move about within the Church….
Overt Act# 20: Defendant LEMON told his livestream audience about congregants leaving the Church and about a "young man" who LEMON could see was "frightened," "scared," and "crying," and LEMON observed that the congregants' reactions were understandable because the experience was "traumatic and uncomfortable," which he said was the purpose.
Overt Act # 21: As the operation continued, defendant LEMON acknowledged the nature of it by expressing surprise that the police hadn't yet arrived at the Church, and admitted knowing that "the whole point of [the operation] is to disrupt."
Overt Act# 22: While the takeover operation was underway, defendant LEMON asked defendant ARMSTRONG, "Who is the person that we should talk to? Is there a pastor or something?," and she pointed toward the front of the Church but noted the pastor "might have run away."
Overt Act# 23: With other co-conspirators standing nearby, defendants LEMON, RICHARDSON, and FORT approached the pastor and largely surrounded him (to his front and both sides), stood in close proximity to the pastor in an attempt to oppress and intimidate him, and physically obstructed his freedom of movement while LEMON peppered him with questions to promote the operation's message.
Overt Act# 24: While talking with the pastor, defendant LEMON stood so close to the pastor that LEMON caused the pastor's right hand to graze LEMON, who then admonished the pastor, "Please don't push me."
Overt Act# 25: Although the pastor told defendant LEMON and the others to leave the Church, defendant LEMON and the other defendants ignored the pastor's request and did not immediately leave the Church….
Overt Act# 28: At one point, defendant LEMON posted himself at the main door of the Church, where he confronted some congregants and physically obstructed them as they tried to exit the Church building to challenge them with "facts" about U.S. immigration policy….
If Lemon is found to have conspired with the other defendants, then he could be liable as to their actions as well. But I take it that these allegations are the heart of the government's evidence that Lemon had indeed conspired with the other defendants (and, in part, that Lemon had independently engaged in obstructive actions). Consider for yourselves whether you think they suffice.
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Attacking the press is a key part of fascism.
4, 5, 6, 7, 11, 12, 20, 21, 22, 23 and 24 are not Lemon doing anything illegal. 15 Lemon was broadcasting, not part of the chanting.
23 is Lemon asking questions, which is what journalists do.
15, 25, 28 are just that Lemon was there, not that he was doing anything disruptive.
This is weak shit, but the point was to arrest and humiliate Lemon, they could drop the charges today and the damage is done. Fascist shits.
The overt acts are just acts in furtherance of the conspiracy, they don't have to be illegal.
And of course there's nothing wrong with arresting journalists when journalists are alleged to have broken the law.
And regardless of what you think of this indictment, Lemon clearly broke state law. Is state officials' inaction "weak shit" as well?
The worst Lemon did was to remain and continuing to broadcast the other protesters after they was asked to leave. To arrest a journalist over that is very fascist. In the US we do not ascribe the mob's guilty actions to the journalist covering them.
Are you sure about that?
You should watch that excerpt from CNN where the anchor/reporter tried to make that same claim, but was rebutted by the other person reading from the criminal complaint, that Lemon did more than just act as a journalist.
I mean, this is why we may have a trial, so that the government can present evidence to prove that. Seems entirely reasonable.
I would rather gouge my eyes out before I watch cable news.
reading from the criminal complaint
Which is not an established fact.
And with this administration's DoJ, you can really attach little truth value to what's in their complaints.
According to TIP, we don't even need to have a trial. He "clearly" broke the law.
Is trespassing not a law in Minnesota?
Huh? You get that in order to punish someone, you still have to have a trial even when they clearly break the law, right?
The pastor asked Lemon directly to leave. And he did not. So again, is the failure of the local authorities to protect the church "weak shit"?
"failure of the local authorities to protect the church"
The first article I found says:
"St. Paul Police Department spokesperson Nikki Muehlhausen told USA TODAY officers responded to the church, but by the time they arrived, the group of 30 to 40 protesters had moved outside. At the time, Muehlhausen said the department was investigating the protest for disorderly conduct."
Is the issue that the PD treated these folks differently than they would have for some other trespass? Do police normally cite or arrest for a not-longer-happening trespass? I'd guess not, but I'm happy to be educated.
Whichever department has jurisdiction at the airport arrested and cited a buncha folks at the airport during an anti-ICE protest a few days ago, so they seem willing to do that for an ongoing trespass.
IANAL, but I have witnessed a couple of trespass incidents over the years, and the cops said 'leave or you will be arrested/cited', and if the person left, that was the end of it.
The usual challenge is proving whether the trespasser remained after getting legally sufficient notice that their ongoing presence was trespass.
In this case, Don Lemon's livestream should dispose of that issue, one way or another.
Generally speaking, in a place otherwise open to the public, it only constitutes trespassing if you refuse to leave after having been told to by someone with ownership/control over the property.
And as a practical matter, cops do not want to deal with trespassing allegations when they didn't witness it, so even if the person was told to leave, the cops — consistent with your experience — will re-issue the instruction to leave and will not arrest unless the person refuses to comply.
The left has claimed for 20+ years that bloggers are not journalists. Or does that "rule" only apply to non-leftists?
When did "the left" do that? Was there some sort of "the left" convention where they issued such an edict?
It's weird that some of the people who were very excited about the state of Georgia's RICO case against Trump and his associates (co-conspirators, if you will) are suddenly skeptical about aspects of criminal conspiracy jurisprudence.
Lemon broadcast a protest in a church.
Trump spearheaded an attempted coup. The fake elector scheme is something the US needed to take more seriously.
Big difference.
Sure, which is why some people were bothered that a federal judge wouldn't let a journalist who was covering the events of January 6 inside the Capitol even present evidence as a defense at his criminal trial that he was acting as a journalist.
Narratives are stubborn things.
Are you saying that a journalist was prosecuted for being present with others inside the Capitol on 1/6/21? Who would that have been?
Owen Shroyer
The guy who was under a court order to stay away from the Capitol?
Maybe you can come up with a better example.
what's wrong with thee example? He was ordered to stay away, and didn't. Lemon was asked to leave, and didn't.
He was actually outside.
Part of his problem was that following a 2019 incident at a congressional hearing he had agreed to stay away from the Capitol:
"The January 6, 2021 siege was not the first time Shroyer engaged in alleged illegal conduct around the Capitol. On December 9, 2019, he disrupted a House Judiciary Committee hearing by "jump[ing] up from his seat and shout[ing] in a loud manner . . . caus[ing] the Chairman to hit the gavel and request that order be restored," the court documents noted.
Officers took Shroyer from the room and arrested him. He entered into a Community Service Deferred Prosecution Agreement which required him not to parade, demonstrate, or picket within the Capitol buildings. The deal also required him not to engage in other threatening or abusive conduct around the facility.
According to federal court papers, that agreement remained in effect on January 6, 2021. And Shroyer allegedly "had not completed, nor reported the completion of, any of the 32 hours of community service as required" as of the date of the Jan. 6 siege."
I suspect violating that earlier agreement didn't win him any sympathy points with the court.
Nor should it, and I'm not here to defend him or his actions.
But that is wholly beside the point. He was the same kind of "journalist" as Lemon, and Lemon was asked to leave the Church by the pastor and didn't
The journalist bit is immaterial. A strawman.
It's part of the *moral* attack on the administration. But legally I've only seen the right cite the argument that journalists are special.
As individuals, Lemon did less than many of the protestors who seem to have run more centrally afoul of this law.
As an individual, Shroyer had a special prohibition he broke.
These are not the same facts at all.
"As an individual, Shroyer had a special prohibition he broke."
If I'm reading between the lines of the wiki article footnotes, he wasn't charged with violating the prior agreement. It may have affected sentencing, but I think zztop is arguing the underlying facts of what he was convicted of aren't that different from the Lemon allegations.
Physically disrupting people who were trying to flee the assault isn't doing anything disruptive?
Oh come the fuck on.
Lemon and the others were violating the civil rights of those at the church service. He was asked to leave but refused to do so. Therefore, they were committing a trespass. Why does Lemon's having the tag of "journalist" give him free leave to commit a crime?
Is protecting churchgoers from harassment by Brownshirts a key part of “fascism” too?
This does seem to rather awkwardly skip over the most noteworthy part of this entire story.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/don-lemon-arrested-federal-authorities-attorney-says-rcna256680
Martinned2: Haven't things moved on from there? The grand jury has indicted Lemon, which means it found probable cause. One of the Eighth Circuit judges on the panel also concluded there was probable cause against all the defendants (including Lemon). A magistrate judge's decision not to issue an arrest warrant isn't conclusive; the government can ask another magistrate, or can ask a grand jury, which it did.
To be sure, maybe the trial jury will find the evidence is inadequate -- and it would have to find proof beyond a reasonable doubt, not just probable cause. But the initial magistrate judge's decision doesn't strike me as particularly probative.
I didn't say the magistrate's decision was conclusive. I said it was weird not to mention it at all.
You said it was the most noteworthy part of the entire story.
And a federal circuit court judge said there was clearly probable cause. Why did your comment skip over that noteworthy part of the story?
Of course, neither of these things are legally relevant to the indictment, so it's hard to see how they're the most noteworthy part of the story.
You're confused about who is doing the skipping here. Not suprising when treating this as a team exercise. Defend your side at all cost, no matter the facts.
I have no dog in this fight, other than that it is bad that the US is rapidly descending into authoritarianism, because that has blowback for lots of other countries.
" under a federal statute that a top Justice Department official conceded had never been used in the context of a protest at a church before."
Nobody is denying that, once the FACE act had been written, as a legislative compromise, to apply equally to abortion facilities and churches, administrations typically violated the compromise by only enforcing the abortion clinic part.
That didn't repeal it, and we now have an administration willing to enforce the whole law.
Right, martinned2 is whinging about fair application of the law when unfair, targeted, application has been the norm.
If they applied the same standard for protests at abortion clinics to protests at churches, these guys, including Lemon, are going to be in a lot of trouble. But the Judge and jury are all from Minnesota and the likelihood that they will apply the same standard is close to zero.
It is not noteworthy at all other than the fact the magistrate judge said the government could take the matter to a grand jury which they did. A grand jury returned an indictment against Lemon and the other defendants.
Forgive my ignorance, Professor (I’m not a criminal lawyer), but I’m having trouble agreeing with your description of the test for whether Don Lemon has committed the criminal act(s) with which he’s been charged. I’ll suppose your description of the elements of the example crime of burglary is correct. But Lemon has been charged with conspiracy to commit an illegal act, not with simply commission of the act. Your description of finding the elements doesn’t seem to address that difference If you’re charged with conspiracy to burglarize a person’s home, the elements of burglary are what they are, but I thought the elements of conspiracy would not be the same: they would instead be something like shared knowledge, intent, and agreement to commission of the planned burglary plus an overt act in furtherance of the planned burglary, (Notably, the complaint is clearly using the ‘Overt Act” terminology, in line with my memory of how conspiracy works and burglary doesn’t.(. The accused conspirator doesn’t have to be proven to have done every element of the crime of burglary. And you don’t even need to prove the burglary—just the plan: a person can be convicted of either burglary or attempted burglary, but as far as I know there’s no such thing as attempted conspiracy.
Perhaps I’m mixing this up a bit—maybe you need to be proven to have planned to personally do every element of the planned burglary yourself to be convicted as a conspirator to commission of a burglary? But that’s not the way I remember it. Or perhaps I’m confusing it with aiding and abetting: the difference between A&A and conspiracy is unclear to me.
You certainly can argue that the crime of conspiracy to commit an illegal act blurs the lines and expands the category of the guilty at the expense of rightfully leaving the innocent alone, and that the Feds have unjustly overused conspiracy charges over time: I’ve long been queasy about that. But the Feds have been using “conspiracy” charges to lock up Mafiosi and gangbangers for a century. If Abby Lowell asks the court to tear that down to save Don Lemon, I guess we’ll find out just how deep TDS really goes.
Scrolling through the “overt acts” at least some of them suggest he took steps to help maintain the operational security of the action. He comes across as an active conspirator, not just an observer.
I get that we normally give reporters the benefit of the doubt, but what if he’s just broadcasting propaganda for the group? We don’t exempt that.
These allegations seem consistent with conspiracy to me. IANAL
In all likelihood, one of the primary purposes of the protest was to have it live streamed by Don Lemon. We'll need to wait for more facts to come out, but I don't think this would've happened at all without Lemon's involvement
I think we do agree on the test. The question is whether the government can prove the elements of the crime as to Lemon. It's not a foregone conclusion that it can, even if it can do it as to the other defendants -- maybe they were members of the conspiracy and he wasn't (because he didn't agree with them to commit the underlying unlawful acts). But it's not a foregone conclusion that it can't; it's arguing that there was enough evidence of the conspiracy. That's what the jury will have to decide.
I don’t think you totally understood the post. It starts off describing a generic rhetorical example of a reporter who is charged with burglary and what a prosecutor would have to prove to get a conviction. But then it moves on to describe the specifics of Don Lemon’s case and what the prosecutor would need to prove to convict him:
>To convict Lemon, the government has to show all the elements of the crime as to him. It has to show that he conspired with the others to oppress people in their free exercise of religion, which is to say that he entered into an express or implicit agreement with them to commit the underlying unlawful acts (§ 241). And it has to show (to oversimplify slightly) that he either personally used force or threat of force or physical obstruction to intentionally interfere with their religious worship (§ 248), or that he is guilty as a coconspirator or an accomplice.
So the post does address the fact that prosecutors have to prove that Lemon was part of a conspiracy
So, the question is, is agreeing to accompany them while actively making sure their operational security was maintained enough involvement to demonstrate that he was part of the conspiracy?
I could see just following them around not being enough, even not affirmatively exposing their plans. But it seems to me that intervening to make certain their plans weren't exposed takes that step over the line into active involvement, not just observation.
"agreeing to accompany them while actively making sure their operational security was maintained"
Misprision at least.
Also a tacit agreement to portray interviewees in a negative light.
"Also a tacit agreement to portray interviewees in a negative light."
Is there some constitutional right to be portrayed in a positive light that we've all been missing through the years? Struggling to understand how this might be relevant.
I would think that attending the pre-operational briefing is also indicative of participation in the conspiracy, as well as blocking congregants at the main door and being part of the mob who surrounded the pastor.
"Intervening"… with himself?
I think you’ve basically got that right. Volokh states that “the government's factual allegations as to Lemon...largely aim to prove a conspiracy between Lemon and the others.... If Lemon is found to have conspired with the other defendants, then he could be liable as to their actions as well. But I take it that these allegations are the heart of the government's evidence that Lemon had indeed conspired with the other defendants....”
The factual allegations claim that Lemon did things that could be considered journalism: receiving information on the condition that he not disclose it before a certain time, live broadcasting an event, asking questions. He did some things that a typical journalist might not have done, such as continuing to report from inside the church after being asked to leave. I don’t think these factual allegations, if true, provide a basis for a jury to infer that Lemon conspired to interfere with anyone’s religious freedom.
Query: If the facts were unchanged, except that the crime was kidnapping instead of disrupting a church service, would Lemon’s liability be any different? Assume he participated in the planning discussions, livestreamed them while making sure to leave out any operational details that would reveal where they were going, rode with them to the victim’s house, and videotaped the kidnapping while trying to interview family members. I don’t see how the analysis would be any different.
That is where I am at. Kidnapping or say a bank robbery with all of the other things the same as you and Lemon have laid them out.
Could a journalist not be charged with a crime in that scenario? I think he could. The physical presence and encouragement is material assistance which IMHO makes the journalist guilty as an accessory.
Lemon was asked to leave the church by the pastor and he did not do so. During his broadcast, Lemon referred to the rioters as "we". Lemon stopped broadcasting his show at one point in order to preserve the element of surprise of what the rioters were planning on doing. He is going to have a hard time justifying these actions.
Justify his actions?
That's some burden shifting you got going on there.
The pastor asked Lemon to leave the church and he did not do so.
What makes this acceptable? Do journalists have a right to trespass that us mere mortals don't?
No, but that’s not really relevant here because the government didn’t charge him with trespassing.
Charging him with trespassing (a state crime) or not doesn't change whether he trespassed, or whether his trespass is indicative of a conspiracy.
The state not prosecuting his trespass is indicative of unequal protection of the laws.
Read the OP.
The burden begins on the side that's accusing, but once incriminating facts have been exposed, it starts shifting on its own.
He had prior knowledge of a crime and was present during the planning and execution.
If he’s going to play the journalist defense, then yes he has to explain his journalistic choices.
By the facts you lay out here, I'm not seeing a criminal act.
Knowing something and mere presence do not an actus reus make.
Are we supposed to be surprised? Have you _ever_ "seen a criminal act" whenever it is a leftist going to court?
Look man, we all know you can read. We all know you have access to the indictment. Let's drop the playing dumb shit and have an actual discussion based on the allegations.
You're so sure you're right, you can't even continence counterarguments could be in good faith.
Neatly, that lets you ignore my points. About burden, and about malfeasance vs. nonfeasance.
He literally doesn't. It's a criminal case; the burden is on the prosecution.
Look at the history and consequences of violating the FACE Act - many have served prison sentences for less. Just because this is a church and not an abortion clinic makes no difference. The government cannot (or is not supposed to) favor one form of illegal protest over another.
That sounds like a state trespassing charge, not anything in the indictment we're talking about here, though.
I'm curious if journalists would generally get any grace here, though. It seems kind of common for journalists to try to ask a few more questions after they've been asked to leave a place, and you don't generally see them charged with trespassing.
Again, not an expert, but in the couple of incidents I have witnessed the cops were pretty patient about talking the trespasser out instead of arresting. If nothing else, arresting someone means a lot of paperwork.
This is typically what happens to trespassers under the FACE Act.
https://www.ewtnnews.com/world/us/elderly-pro-life-activist-with-significant-medical-issues-convicted-on-face-act-charge?redirectedfrom=cna
I've always thought it was overkill. I think it's overkill here when used against Don Lemon as well. But it is well-established precedent - trespass in violation of the FACE Act is a felony and many many people have gone to prison as a result.
In fairness, she may have gone a little farther than Lemon:
"According to a press release, opens new tab on the U.S. Department of Justice website, Harlow, along with her co-conspirators, “forcefully entered the clinic and set about blockading two clinic doors using their bodies, furniture, chains, and ropes. Once the blockade was established, they live-streamed their activities.”
Harlow’s attorney Allen Orenberg said in an email that the reference to Harlow praying is “not accurate” and that “the DOJ press release is correct.”"
FWIW, I'm all for people peacefully carrying picket signs at city hall or whatever. Going to the mayor's house or a church or clinic, etc dims my sympathy quite a bit. And I think is generally counterproductive to whatever cause the protestors advocate, because I'm not the only person who feels that way 🙂
He has real problems that are obvious if you ever watched real legal journalism Trafficked by Mariana Von Zeller.
He wasn't passively reporting. He multiple times on his own accord stated and did things to assist operational security. Unlike other reporters who only do so when asked to. And he even in the vehicle yells to them GO GO.
He is also told to leave by the pastor and doesn't for thirteen minutes, using the reason that he's allowed to stay if praying and he prays constantly.
Even if he was passively reporting, why can't that violate the statute? You can't break into a church and start reporting what's going on in there. That's why confrontational reporters always do it outside at the street, or enter a public reception area and leave immediately if asked to. Watch 60 Minutes.
As far as I know, nobody, least of all Lemon, "broke into" this church. Most churches' doors are open during normal business hours for anyone to enter. But if he did so, that would, again, be trespassing. That is not what this statute covers.
What "things" did he "do" to assist operational security? As far as I can tell, all such allegations involve him not doing things. Operational security would've been exactly the same if he hadn't been there at all.
If Amurica was as Race-ist as Don Lemon claims he'd be speaking from the end of a rope.
It sounds like Eugene is arguing Lemon's First Amendment and statutory defenses are coextensive. If a jury is convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Lemon's conduct makes him guilty of all the elements of the crime, Lemon has no First Amendment defense because he wasn't acting as a journalist. He is thus unable to raise a First Amendment claim on appeal without convincing the appeals court that the jury got the facts wrong.
Have I got Eugene's argument correct?
The First Amendment is not a defense to anything. That's my view and I believe that's Prof. Volokh's view. Nothing Lemon is charged with is protected by the First Amendment. Like any criminal defendant, he has the defense of "I didn't do it," or more accurately, "prove beyond a reasonable doubt that I did it."
If Lemon was across town eating dinner in a restaurant when this all happened, he would not be guilty. Even though eating dinner is not a First-Amendment protected activity.
The First Amendment was a defense to the Texas law that proscribed flag burning. But of course, that law was not content neutral while this one arguably is.
My concern is the jury decides that Lemon attending the pre-op meeting and keeping it secret made him part of the conspiracy. In the alternative, couldn't a journalist do the same? How is the jury supposed to know which was the case? It seems to me that perhaps some additional First Amendment protection is justified beyond the opinion of a jury that he wasn't acting as a journalist.
When I said anything, I meant anything he is charged with. Which is what I said a sentence later.
And the jury is not going to decide whether he was a journalist or not. If he conspired to violate the FACT Act, he is guilty. If not, not. His journalist credentials matter nothing. Same as the others who barged into the church and do not claim to be journalists.
His journalist credentials matter nothing
As I stated above, Lemon will argue he attended the pre-op meeting as a journalist (*) to gather information. If that's true, he is not guilty. Therefore a guilty verdict necessarily means the jury concluded Lemon was not acting as a journalist (*)
(*) More accurately, "journalist" means speech as part of his reporting.
His journalist credentials are not a legal defense. They can, however, be a factual defense: they can give him a plausible alternative explanation for being there besides being involved in the conspiracy to 'invade' the church.
There is no journalism exception that allows him to trespass and violate peoples' freedom of religion.
And let's see if he has the guts to do this at a mosque.
I thought that the First Amendment (including free exercise clause) protects us against the government, not our fellow citizens. Lemmon and the others’ conduct strikes me as possible state criminal trespass or disorderly conduct, but these federal charges seem really over the top. If disruptive people show up on private property and refuse to leave, I don’t see why it should matter whether the property was a church or private club—either way it’s a trespass, and doesn’t seem worthy of federal charges.
Congress passed the FACE Act to protect abortion clinics and places of worship. Why those particular places are worthy of federal protection, while other places (movie theaters, pharmacies) are not is a good question. But that is the law.
BTW, one other idea. AFAIK, the First Amendment protects speech, not journalism. There is no right per se to gather news, there is a right to speak. Lemon is being prosecuted for what he did, not for what he spoke or broadcast.
There are plenty of people criticizing ICE and what it does, some fair, some over the top. None are being prosecuted.
Boy, you're really trying to rile up Lathrop, aren't you?