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Revisiting A.A.R.P. v. Trump In Light Of United States v. Maduro
The United States military is like a Denny's.
As regular readers know, I do not use the internet on Shabbat. From sundown on Friday until an hour after sundown on Saturday, I am blissfully offline. And, time and again, news breaks while I am offline. Indeed, the atrocities of October 7 occurred while I was incommunicado. (Many Jewish people used their phones on Shabbat for first time during this awful day.) In April 2025, the litigation over A.A.R.P v. Trump broke during Good Friday. And the capture of Nicholas Maduro also occurred in the early hours of Saturday morning.
Of course, I do not live in a hermetically sealed bubble, so I heard news about the military operation in Caracas throughout the day. But I waited until Saturday evening to sign online, and study the incident carefully. Indeed, there is some virtue in not reading early reports, which tend to usually be incomplete or inaccurate. (During breaking news, especially mass shootings, I try not to read any news until the dust has settled.) By Saturday night, the facts from Venezuela have been fairly established.
From a legal perspective, I do not have much to add to what Jack Goldsmith wrote about the operation. We can safely ignore any arguments about the U.N. Charter.
Instead, it is useful to revisit A.A.R.P. v. Trump in light of United States v. Maduro. When Trump first began the efforts to remove alleged members of Tren De Aragua under the Alien Enemies Act, all the usual suspects laughed at him. They alleged there was no real national security concern. They charged Trump (once again) with racism and bigotry. Judge Boasberg ordered the planes to turn around from his vacation home, no doubt, because he thought the entire operation was a sham. If Boasberg thought this was a serious national security procedure, he likely would have not been so eager to intervene. Lawyers told federal judges in Texas that there was not really an armed conflict. (The upcoming Fifth Circuit en banc argument should be lit.) The United States Supreme Court, including all three Trump appointees, rejected the President's powers on the emergency docket without even waiting for the lower court to rule.
In reality, the Trump Administration has been planning a months-long framework concerning Venezuela and Maduro. No one, not even the enlightened Judge Boasberg, is privy to all of those details. Indeed, I suspect the lawyers who are asked to argue in D.D.C. are not always told the full story. In this case, we witnessed Lawfare at its worst because it directly affected national security. Thankfully, Judge Boasberg did not order the 150 aircraft to turn around.
It is also useful to ponder that Trump's two greatest losses before the Supreme Court concerned his presidential powers over protecting national security: Trump v. Illinois and A.A.R.P. v. Trump.
A generation ago, the litmus test for a Supreme Court Justice was how they would rule on "War on Terror" cases. It was well reported that John Roberts rose to the head of the pack, at least in part, because he was seen as a strong vote to support the Bush foreign policy. Recall that Roberts interviewed with the Attorney General for the Supreme Court while he was presiding over Hamdan, and Bush interviewed him on the same day the case was decided. Talk about auditioning!
Yet, in the present day, Roberts, as well Justice Kavanaugh (who was Bush's staff secretary!), and Justice Barrett ruled against Trump in both cases. And the third foreign policy defeat might be the tariff case--the centerpiece of Trump's entire foreign policy. If Trump loses, Justice Gorsuch and possibly Justice Barrett will rule against him. I assure you that Trump will be unconcerned with Justice Gorsuch's interest in reinvigorating the non-delegation doctrine.
I have been giving some more thought of late about who Trump's next Supreme Court nominee would be. Indeed, my thinking was nudged by a telling line in Ed Whelan's predictions for 2026. Ed wrote that Justices Thomas and Alito are likely not to retire because "each justice has ample reason to doubt that whoever was picked to replace him would be as effective." Does anyone wonder why?
It is no surprise that Trump went out of his way to effusively praise Thomas and Alito and hope they do not resign. Trump's time horizon ends in January 2029. He doesn't care what happens to the composition of the Court after that date. And both Alito and Thomas are almost certainly going to make that mark. Yet, Trump has far more restrained compliments about his own three picks. The most he could say about Justice Barrett was that she was "a very good woman" and "she's very smart." These are the sort of saccharine compliments Trump dispenses like Pez.
If there is a vacancy, Trump cannot lose sight that his three picks ruled against him in Illinois, A.A.R.P., and perhaps the tariff case. (Though I have the unorthodox take that Trump wins that case.) What does Trump do with these votes? I think he will ignore all of the voices who advised him on selecting his first batch of nominees. I don't think he even picks a judge. He will likely pick someone he knows and trusts, and who has been in the trenches with him. Solicitor General John Sauer seems like the most likely pick--especially if he manages to win the tariff case.
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Reading Jack Smith's piece is interesting. Forgetting everything else, this bit stood out. It's from a 1989 memo written by the Attorney General six months before "extraditing" Noriega.
How does this square with diplomatic immunity? There are two things I have always thought I knew, at least in general form, but now I wonder.
* An ambassador with diplomatic immunity could murder someone with thousands of witnesses, and all the domestic authorities could do is declare him persona non grata and send him back home, unless his home country stripped him of diplomatic immunity.
* Heads of state have been relatively immune to international law, living a life of relative luxury in exile with all their stolen loot. I had always thought this was an extension of diplomatic immunity.
But this 1989 memo ignores diplomatic immunity for heads of state. Either my understanding is wrong, or this memo means that diplomatic immunity is meaningless in reality.
I'm also curious how other nations deal with this same matter, of how far their domestic police arrest authority extends outside their borders -- or rather, what their legal authorities say about it.
Diplomatic immunity ONLY extends to those states which you recognize as sovereign.
For example, the U.S. did not recognize the Confederacy as a legitimate sovereign state and hence Jefferson Davis did not enjoy sovereign immunity.
AND it then only extends to recognized leaders of those states which you recognize. The issue with Mederos and Noreagea is that we (US) didn’t recognize them as legitimately elected.
The problem with the Nuremberg Trials is that the world recognized the 1933 election and the Nazis as the legitimate German government. Hence the defendants really should have had sovereign immunity.
And then there was what the Iranians did in 1979 — and we should have just kidnapped their UN delegation and traded.
Thank you, Captain Obvious.
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China (or the price of cocaine in Venezuela), since we do recognize Venezuela as a sovereign state as does everyone else?
False and ridiculous. Head of state immunity would be meaningless if a country could just declare, "We don't recognize so-and-so as the leader of the other country, so he's fair game."
And being the best at taking power by killing and disappearing your opponents rules half the Earth, joke elections, if you even have them, and a thoroughly nasty internal security group.
These are not legitimate governments. However, international convention deals with them as a practical matter. They are all hostage situations writ large.
I believe the administration's stance is that Maduro actually lost the last election, decisively even, and thus is not actually a head of state, just pretending to be one.
At the very same time that, at least temporarily, they wanted to prop up Maduro's VP, presumably just as illegitimate.
At least until she indicated she wasn't willing to go along, and so the U.S. has to search for some other stooge.
Well, that's nice for Trump and anyone who wants it. But my question was about diplomatic immunity in general, not this specific case.
Trump's stance also was that Biden actually lost the last election. Would Trump thus have been justified in seeking a foreign country's assistance in invading and removing Biden and installing the "rightful" leader?
There are two immunities.
By customary international law heads of state enjoy immunity.
The United States implements this immunity by requiring heads of state to get an A-1 visa to enter the United States. The A-1 visa is the same one ambassadors get. The A-1 visa provides diplomatic immunity while the head of state is in the United States, and probably while traveling to and from the United States.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/other-visa-categories/visas-diplomats.html
Thanks. The giggler in me wonders if Maduro got an A-1 visa free.
The potentially more interesting legal question is what visa status, if any, does a foreign national rendered into the United States under a criminal arrest have? Perhaps put that in the the law is an arse category, as such a person enters the US nominally against his will, making them an illegal alien. Become a potential issue if for whatever reason such a criminal defendant is granted bail. Normally I would say there's no chance of that, but given the recent lawfare by district court judges (the celebrated Maryland man for example), I can't dismiss any possibility for a judge wanting to stick it to the administration.
Thank you for pointing out the obvious farce in people claiming there's something legitimate about law, government, and countries of the world. It's all made up stuff, whose power is only by acceptance - it's not inherent.
Take the 'take care' clause. It's made up to grab power from you and every other citizen. 'Necessary and Proper' is another made up power grab "clause". In fact the entire Constitution is made up stuff so that the few can use the collective power of the People.
Born into this system, we are. Suck it up and move on. We still have the best system in the World, even if it's a made up farce.
In thinking about anarchy in general and "Sovreignw Citizens in particular, I came to realize something funny: all laws and customs are imaginary, and especially with customs, but even with "well-established" law, they are arbitrary and can shift and morph in accord to the whims of the people involved.
But that doesn't mean law and custom is meaningless: they give me a structure I can use to predict how others around me will react to what I do. Sneer and insult a little old woman standing at a corner of a street? There may be no law against it, but I can generally expect to be whacked by her purse and perhaps punched in the face by her grandson.
If I speed, I could expect to be pulled off to the side by someone looking for speeders and dragged in front of someone who is unpersuaded by arguments over tassles on flags and will force me into a cage to rethink my life decisions.
And if I murder someone, I can expect a manhunt to track me down and put me in a cage, and even considering killing me outright.
Although, who knows? Maybe I'll get off scott free in all this because everyone likes me, or at least like what I did -- people can be fickle that way!
And so on, and so forth.
The law may be imaginary, but the people I'm dealing with aren't, and vague predictions of the future based one reading and interpreting dusty obtuse documents and remembering what our grandmother taught us about combs, forks, and deoderant is the best we can expect!
Could you be more of a toadie? There's no possible world in which "I'm considering invading Venezuela sometime in the next year" counts as a declared war or an invasion / predatory incursion on the part of Venezuela.
Try crawling up to Trump and licking his taint if you want an appointment so bad. You couldn't debase yourself any more than you already have with commentary like this.
Do you actually have students? Do they realize how much of a poser you are? Please, any students of Josh, we'd love to hear from you.
Better pace yourself, as you have three more years of teeth gnashing and being utterly irrelevant.
In other words, you have no arguments, no facts, no logic, no counter. Just a rant, and it's not even new or interesting, just the same tired rant taken from your tattered copy of "Rants For TDS Victims".
The argument is simple because Josh's position is so inane. Allow me to repeat it:
There's no possible world in which "I'm considering invading Venezuela sometime in the next year" counts as a declared war or an invasion / predatory incursion on the part of Venezuela.
Care to try out an argument yourself, or are you just here to tone-police in defense of your hero Josh Blackman?
If it's that insane and that simple an argument to refute it, please do. Pretend you understand the first word in my handle.
"It's too simple to waste time rebutting" is the first copout of the ideologue.
I just refuted it. Twice. Can you read or what's going on with you?
If you don't understand what's being said, that's ok, but then don't accuse me of not making an argument.
No you did not. Your first comment was just TDS rants, and calling Josh a toadie. Your second comment was to quote Josh and leave it unanswered.
Your idea of argument would have fit well into Monty Python.
I was quoting myself, dumdum. Oh my god.
And you quoting yourself is not sufficient to establish your case; this just becomes a "self-licking ice cream cone".
Calm down. All you need are more rugged individualist judges like Boasberg to assume the roles of the Chief Executive and Commander in Chief. Then you can have Maduro restored to power and the narco-terrorist state made whole to inflict new harms on the US.
When I find myself so aggravated by the reasoning abilities of commentators that I am inclined to sneer at them at this level, I think about muting them.
Others go another way. Then again, you can't mute contributors to the blog. Still, talking about "taint" or (as some do) calling people "retarded" or the like, diminishes a person somewhat, even when the person is significantly in the right.
One person on another blog was a polite sort. After a long time engaging with someone, a metaphorical slamming of their head against the wall, the person started to get snippy. It was somewhat depressing. The blog eventually cut off comments, annoyed at how the comments were getting overly personal.
/preaching off.
I'd mute Josh if I could. I've asked for the ability many times.
Still, talking about "taint" or (as some do) calling people "retarded" or the like, diminishes a person somewhat, even when the person is significantly in the right.
It's a burden I'm willing to bear. It's interesting that you mention the taint-lickers vs the retards. There's no reasonable conversation to be had with the taint-lickers like Josh. He knows better, but he wants to be a player. The game, at present, is purely about power-mongering. It's not an era of principle or rational debate. There's no magic argument that's going to convince someone like Steven Miller that he's on the wrong side of the constitution. He knows he's on the wrong side of the constitution. The best we can do is let them know that there's a reputational price for throwing in with the swamp.
There's no reasonable conversation to be had with the retards aka maggots, either. They're fully emotionally invested in Trumpism, like a hometown sports team, even as it changes in contradictory ways from day to day (like suddenly they're all nation-builders). If they could be snapped out of their trance by reason it would've happened by now. The only way to fight emotion is with a stronger emotion. Yes, I prefer positive messages where available, but there's nothing wrong with using a carrot and a stick.
I'd mute Josh if I could. I've asked for the ability many times.
Good God! How helpless are you? His name is right there on everything he writes. You can mute him at any time by just not clicking to read his articles. You can even refrain from commenting.
What a helpless hopeless waste of skin you are.
This makes me wonder: when you say "I would mute him if I could" -- are you merely annoyed that you see his words occasionally on a blog that you (theoretically at least) appreciate visiting? Or are you annoyed that you don't have the power to completely mute him, so that even people who like reading his words cannot read them?
TLDR: Trump needs to pick SCOTUS justices that will let me get away with even more illegal acts than the current lackeys.
Isn't it what all Presidents do, though? You strike me as the type who is very agreeable to FDR-style court packing and are only distressed because someone you don't like is doing it.
Blackman trying to do “the weave.” He’s all over the place on this one.
Yet you refuse to actually rebut his weaving. Your comment serves only to virtue signal. Are you trying to impress Randal? He's even more incompetent than you are.
Professor Blackman suggests first, that the fact the Trump Administration had been planning to attack Venezuala aomehow shows it was a “serious national security concern,” and second, that being a “serious national security concern” is somehow sufficient to trigger the Alien Enemies Act.
Neither proposition follows. There are many obvious counterexamples to both. Germany was planning to attack Poland in WWII and Russia Ukraine (more recently) for months, yet there was clearly no danger of Poland attacking Germany or Ukraine attacking Russia. Professor Blackman provides the same evidence that Venezuala was a threat to the US as there was Poland was a threat to Germany or Ukraine to Russia: the say-so of the leader. History suggests that, especially when involving leaders who have had a prior habit of making territorial demands on and/or conducting surprise attacks on small neighbors, that’s hardly much in the way of evidence. Dis Mr. Trump’s previous coveting of Greenland make Denmark a “serious security concern” to the United States? The desirability of Venezuala’s oil hardly made it a “serious security concern” to the US either.
Sinilarly, Germany and Japan were clearly serious national security concerns to the US before WWII, and the Soviet Union during the Cold War. But it’s pretty obvious that merely being a potential threat is not sufficient to trigger the Alien Enemies Act. Potential threats can exist for decades or even centuries without a war ever occurring.
On the other hand, it's also entirely possible that we could have arrested the head of all those States under the Alien Enemies Act but didn't, merely because we didn't have sufficient power to do so -- and that countries who don't like us leave our leaders alone for similar reasons.
I like that Josh has finally dropped any pretense of being a scholar, or of having a legal philosophy, or a set of morals. Josh's only consistent thought is that a good justice is one that lets Trump do what Trump wants.
You can probably smell the boot black on Josh's breath and see it on his tongue. But despite Josh's repeated attempts to humiliate himself in exchange for an appointment to the bench, he's still just a lowly blogger. He sold what little credibility he may have had in academia for a chance to be Trump's toady, and Trump still doesn't even know who he is.
Blackman would happily defend Japanese internment in court if given the opportunity.
Just like Earl Warren! Oh the irony!
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Really had trouble following Blackman's point here, as he starts defending the Venezuela related actions but almost immediately drifts off into his pet prognostication about whether Supreme Court justices will loyally support Trump or not. In part because of how Trump speaks about them publicly right now. As if that's what matters or how they should decide cases. And then into his other hobby horse about possibly replacing some of them and whether possible replacements would be more loyal to Trump.