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Court Rejects $5M Lawsuit Over Teacher's Saying High School Student Benefited from "White Privilege"
From Curtis v. Hawaii Mission Academy, decided Friday by the Hawaii Intermediate Court of Appeals (Judges Keith Hiraoka, Sonja McCullen, and Kimberly Guidry), I think correctly:
The underlying facts of this case are largely undisputed. Jean-Marcel Clouzet (Mr. Clouzet) taught Bible Studies at Hawaiian Mission Academy, a parochial school affiliated with the Hawai'i Conference of Seventh-Day Adventists (the Conference). In February 2022, Mr. Clouzet invited his wife (Mrs. Clouzet) to speak to the Bible Studies class about marriage and relationships.
During the discussion, a student asked a question related to white privilege. According to Kallie's deposition, Mrs. Clouzet stated she herself benefited from white privilege and pointed Kallie out, saying she had it too. Kallie identifies as non-white/Hispanic. {Kallie was eighteen years old at the time of the incident.}
The next day, Kallie's Father emailed the principal of Hawaiian Mission Academy, Joe Lee (Principal Lee), expressing that he found the incident "to be beyond offensive." He reminded Principal Lee they were assured "that those type of race views had no place at" Hawaiian Mission Academy. Kallie's Father stated that "nothing short of [Mr. Clouzet's] near immediate resignation or termination from [Hawaiian Mission Academy] would be a satisfactory resolution."
By February 17, 2022, eight days after the incident, Mr. Clouzet had been fired…. The Curtis Family brought a civil action seeking in excess of $5,778,000.00 in damages arising from the incident….
The court rejected plaintiffs' negligence claim:
The Curtis Family relies on the following: Mrs. Clouzet "was an unauthorized guest speaker, that Principal Lee was unaware that she was in [Mr. Clouzet's] classroom, that [Mr. and Mrs. Clouzet] singled out Kallie based on the color of her skin, and that [Mr. Clouzet], per his own confession, 'was not paying attention' to what [Mrs. Clouzet] was saying." …
Defendants argued that Kallie's own testimony showed Mr. Clouzet did not verbally berate, assault, or harass Kallie. Defendants also argued that Mrs. Clouzet's comments were not intended to be malicious, and the topic of white privilege came from a student question.
Defendants cited persuasive authority that such statements, without more, are not actionable under a negligent failure to protect claim in an educational setting….
The court also rejected plaintiffs' intentional infliction of emotional distress claim:
[T]he Curtis Family argues … that Mrs. Clouzet's statement that Kallie benefited from white privilege was … outrageous [because], given Kallie's young age, Mrs. Clouzet's position of power as a guest speaker, the public nature and classroom setting of her statement, as well as its racial quality, the issue should have been put to a jury.
A successful IIED claim requires proof that the conduct (1) was intentional or reckless, (2) was outrageous, and (3) caused (4) "extreme emotional distress to another." "The term 'outrageous' has been construed to mean without just cause or excuse and beyond all bounds of decency." The Hawai'i Supreme Court has further explained that "[t]here is 'no clear definition of the prohibited outrageous conduct,' and the correct inquiry is simply whether 'an average member of the community' would exclaim, 'Outrageous!'"
Courts have held that, "although '[r]acial discrimination can amount to extreme or outrageous conduct,' that is typically only the case where there is a 'pattern of harassment,' as opposed to 'a few isolated incidents.' …" … Stating Kallie benefited from white privilege was not outrageous….
And the court rejected plaintiffs' defamation claim:
[T]he Curtis Family argues the circuit court erred in granting summary judgment "because telling a class full of 'non-white looking' teenagers that the one 'white looking' girl has a privilege over the rest of them could very well create resentment against the poor girl, thereby 'harming her reputation' and 'lowering her in the estimation' of her classmates."
Although the Curtis Family claimed the white privilege statement was defamatory in their First Amended Complaint, they abandoned that claim during …. During [a] hearing, counsel for the Curtis Family stated:
- "[H]ow both Court and the counsel are setting each other up for this straw man's argument as if that we are claiming that the white privilege was the defamatory comment. We didn't."
- "I specifically said it's the comment where [Mr. Clouzet] called Kallie white is defamatory."
- "Why are we engaging in straw man arguments, oh, counsel, do you think white privilege is defamatory? Oh, I don't think so, Judge. We never claimed that."
- "[W]hy are we focusing on white privilege?"
- "We never said anything about white privilege. That was regarding other issues. Here defamatory comment -- I'm going to make the record clear and then you can go ahead and decide whatever you're going to decide. Our defamatory comments are based on the fact that [Mr. Clouzet] specifically said she's white when she wasn't … and, two, that he lied about their church attendance. That's it."
{The Curtis Family makes no argument on appeal that the statement that Kallie was "white" or Mr. Clouzet's statements regarding the Curtis Family's church attendance were defamatory and therefore waive any such argument.}
Mark G. Valencia and James W. Rooney (Case Lombardi) represent defendants.
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1 - Terrible comment from the teacher
2 - Termination is probably still excessive unless there was a pattern or other disciplinary issues
3 - Of course the family wants to get rich off this single incident. Sigh.
4 - Right result from the court
Agreed with the qualifier that the terrible comment was made by the guest speaker, not the teacher. That makes termination even more excessive.
The termination might have been because the guest speaker was an "unauthorized" guest speaker, who the teacher hadn't gotten approval for.
The school could consider that a strict liability offense, if anything bad comes of it, (As did here.) you're screwed.
Ya'll understand that this case isn't about the termination, it's about the student's claims? The teacher was sacked and there's little he can do legally. See: at-will employment, private employer.
I was replying to someone who said the termination was excessive. If you'd read the comment directly above mine you'd have realized that.
"Unauthorized guest speaker" is not a termination offense in any jurisdiction that I'm aware of. And I say that as a regular guest speaker at multiple schools where I'm pretty sure the teacher was never required to jump through any hoops to have me in.
But yeah, if the school has such a rule, that would make this case an automatic loser for the teacher. It would also effectively outlaw bringing in parents to talk about their careers, community members with science-based hobbies (my situation) and most other routine classroom-enrichment activities.
It was stupid, no doubt, but $5M+ worth of stupid? No way.
A white-presenting Hispanic named "Kallie Curtis" certainly benefits from white privilege. How is saying so in any sense offensive?
We are getting dangerously close in this country to proscribing free speech on topics relating to race and Israel. This claim over a passing remark on "white privilege" failed, but others will be brought, pushing the line on what counts as "racial discrimination" when talking about the history of white supremacy in the U.S. The same goes for criticism of Israel; the UK is leading the way by criminalizing specific phrases, which surely won't end at just those they specify. American authorities are likely to press their own theories to do the same here.
Add to that the vise around national media being tightened by the tech billionaires. It's a gloomy time for free speech hawks.
Try reading next time. You say "A white-presenting Hispanic named "Kallie Curtis" certainly benefits from white privilege.". TFA says "Kallie identifies as non-white/Hispanic."
So you now accept any “I identify as …” statement as proof of the underlying facts? Interesting.
I'm not seeing how you're doing anything different here, just deciding to accept a different person's statement. Or perhaps you know this Kallie Curtis personally, and so have more to go by than the above account?
You're as loony as your Z-compatriot further down the comments.
That’s the rule many judges have ruled is constitutionally required for sex aand gender. It is also the de facto rule for religion.
Why shouldn’t the same rule apply equally for race and ethnicity?
Privilege comes from external perception. Passing, purposefully or no, is a thing in plenty of subcultures.
Privilege comes from external perception.
Hmm. You inherit $250 million from your rich Papa, allowing you to get into a fancy college on very modest academic accomplishments, because the college covets your cash, and then you live the life of Riley with yachts and supermodels and villas in Antibes and so on, then I'd be thinking - that's a privileged guy. But none of that has anything to do with "perception" - it has to do with the reality of hard cash.
If I was able to live that same life, not because of my rich Papa, but because I was really smart and made a quick $250 million based on my large brain, then maybe you'd call that "privileged" too, on account of me having done nothing to earn my big brain. But arguably not.
If I got all the girls, including a rich heiress, because I was stupendously good looking, then maybe that would be "privilege" too, as I didn't earn my good looks. Maybe "privilege" is best appplied to advantages supplied socially rather than naturally.
Anyway, I think your explanation of the concept of "privilege" requires further work.
One area which I think requires a lot of rethinking is the notion that some characteristic possessed by a substantial majority of the population can be a "privilege."
Privilege typically connotes some kind of special, or unusual, advantage, not possessed by most. So it would be decdedly odd to describe 95% of the population as privileged because they can afford to buy their own food. It's more that the 5% or so who have to rely on handouts are at a disadvantage.
"White privilege" would be a better fit for Apartheid South Africa where a minority had an unearned advantage.
A small quibble. Until quite recently, economists assrssed how well-off people were by things like how tall they were and when women’s menstrual periods began. Starving people are short and delay menstruation. Famines were quite regular things for most people into the 19th century, and continue today in significant parts of the world. It’s only in quite recent times that even most people could count on enough food to eat. That makes most of the world’s people today priveleged looking at things from the lens of human history. Most people today live like only very rich people could live for most of human history.
I don't disagree. If you measure the nutrition available to the current large majority of Americans (and indeed of the world) against the nutrition avalable to the entire human population since say 10,000 BC, we're pretty much all "privileged."
And while we're at it, height and timing of menarche are certainly nutrition related, but even more telling is population growth. Scarcity of food is what keeps populations stable over time, in any species. The ballooning of human populations over the past few hundred years is a signal that food availability is up up up. And the timing of population growth in different places allows you to identify where and when all that extra food started arriving.
"Try reading next time" says the commenter who evidently didn't comprehend what he read.
Kallie may well identify as non-white/Hispanic, and I do not contradict her. I just assume that she was singled out in the classroom, for purposes of discussion about "white privilege," because she presents as white.
Perhaps you're unfamiliar with what it means to "present as white"?
You don't wear your hair in corn rows? Or is it a particular range of pantone?
Think of it this way, Brett - you likely present as a grown adult with a functioning brain while in public. There's a set of social conventions that you consciously and subconsciously conform to.
I'd say that gender identity works the same way, but I don't want to derail the conversation further than necessary. You lot can't avoid trans-bait.
So, what you mean is that she acted "white". Speaks standard English, does her homework on time, comes from an intact family. Stuff like that.
No, that's your own racism supplying content to the term.
Nah, technically it was the Smithsonian's racism supplying content to the term.
I can't seem to figure out whether you people are proud of, or ashamed of, "white culture." On the one hand, you present yourselves as the ultimate defenders of white, Christian, western European-based "civilization." On the other hand, when some museum lists the dominant cultural traits of that very "civilization," you act all offended, like there's nothing particularly special about all of that.
Anyway, I am not particularly interested in re-hashing some tired argument about woke-ism and the putative racial connotations of valuing "hard work." I will just point out that nothing in that link supports the caricature you presented here.
Sure, let me explain that.
I am, in fact, approving of people who exhibit most of the traits the Smithsonian declared to be 'white culture'. (Not so keen on bland food, frankly.)
At the same time, I'm dismissive of the idea that they ARE 'white' culture, because,
1. It's hardly the case that all whites exhibit them.
2. Plenty of people who aren't white DO exhibit them.
Actually, I think it's pretty damned insulting to describe things like showing up on time and working hard as "white". Not insulting to whites, of course. To everybody else.
Are you able to grasp that this "explains" nothing? All that you're saying here is, "yes, I fully embrace that cognitive dissonance, which I treat as so fundamental to my identity that I have difficulty in even recognizing its incoherence as such." You've really added nothing to what I've said.
I am not accustomed to the way you're completely skipping past the actual points I've been making in my comments. It seems like you'd rather fight over side points than take issue with my central ones. For example, in this case, I have pointed out that - the merits (if any) of the NMAAHC flyer aside - your ascription to them of saying that "speaking standard English," "coming from an intact family," and "doing your homework" are "acting white" is not supported by the flyer. That is your gloss on a flyer you're intentionally misinterpreting.
You know, when you rephrase what somebody said to something else that bears no resemblance at all to what they said, you're just underscoring that your real complaint isn't what they said.
You fucking love that particular handout.
The fact that you go back to it again and again when privilege comes up, despite the pushback you get every time should be a clue.
You have a personally created story you've attached to it, but no one else has your particular take.
Does the entire right-wing talking point about "hard work as white supremacy" derive from the flyer? Is that it?
It can mean one of two things:
1) That she holds herself out as white. Which apparently she doesn't.
2) That she looks white, but you've been too inculcated in a leftist worldview that you're afraid to talk forthrightly about appearances, and also you like to use silly pseudo-intellectual jargon like "interrogate" and "presents as" and the like.
Yes, I think "presenting as" white is largely a visual phenomenon.
You object to the phrase - "passing" might be the closer correlate - but I think "presenting as" is supposed to allow that the phenomenon we're describing isn't simply objective or immediately apprehended as sensory experience. A person's "apparent" race is an intersubjective, socially-mediated affair. It depends on elements to how a person choose to "present" themselves, as well as on elements that are not within their control. It also depends on the preconceptions of others, the expected "audience" for the presentation, and their own assumed identity.
Saying she "looks white" just isn't quite right. Because what do we mean by that? Is it about her skin color, her hair color/texture, her manner of dress? "Presents as" acknowledges her own contributions to the perception, as well as the contributions of others (as illustrated by the present example, where a third party's perception and imputation of "privilege" is viewed as "offensive").
Passing is a fraught and complex topic, since it’s got race and choice in a pretty rarefied mix. See also: colorism.
That makes the teacher’s comment pretty thoughtless.
But I fully expect the usuals around here to overplay that hand and claim privilege is a race card against white people.
The envy of the oppressed is a weird aspect of today’s MAGA.
OK, first off, the claim is that she wasn't "white presenting", whatever the hell that means. (I mean, seriously, what DOES that mean?)
Second, how is it not offensive to claim that somebody is enjoying "privilege"? Isn't it an accusation that, whatever they've got, they came by it illegitimately?
"White privilege" is just an unfalsifiable excuse for racism. The moment somebody spouts it you know they're an idiot with bad intent.
But it still wasn't $5M worth of offense. Maybe 50 cents.
How did white privilege protect Laken Riley?
How does anything protect you, with such nonsensical non sequitors? I'm surprised you even made it from bed to keyboard, unless of course that's my white privilege assuming you don't sleep with your keyboard.
"OK, first off, the claim is that she wasn't "white presenting", whatever the hell that means. (I mean, seriously, what DOES that mean?)"
It means that most people who saw her would assume that's she's white. FWIW, there's no obvious tension between looking white and being Hispanic, as Professor Bernstein has written about a lot.
"Second, how is it not offensive to claim that somebody is enjoying "privilege"? Isn't it an accusation that, whatever they've got, they came by it illegitimately?"
No, it doesn't mean that at all. It means that you've had things just a bit easier than people who aren't white. The police are less likely to stop you, your resume is less likely to get thrown out because of your name, you can probably get seated in a restaurant even if you commit some minor violation of their dress code, etc. That doesn't make your accomplishments illegitimate, just (on average) a bit easier to come by.
OK, first off, the claim is that she wasn't "white presenting", whatever the hell that means. (I mean, seriously, what DOES that mean?)
You might ask your wife, Brett. I'll bet she's pretty white-presenting, for you to deign to marry someone from an (in your view) inferior culture.
Second, how is it not offensive to claim that somebody is enjoying "privilege"? Isn't it an accusation that, whatever they've got, they came by it illegitimately?
No, it's not. That's entirely your own strawman. Hope that helps.
"White privilege" is just an unfalsifiable excuse for racism. The moment somebody spouts it you know they're an idiot with bad intent.
Ironically, "white privilege" is the sort of thing one can measure, and it's not hard, either. It has been studied.
Like climate change, the phenomenon can exist even if its effect isn't self-evident in any given example. For example, the fact that you are a mediocre, aging, and rather tragically pathetic white man living in rural South Carolina, and so not particularly "privileged" relative to the successful, ambitious, and attractive POCs that I count among my friends and colleagues, does not mean that white mediocre men generally do not have "white privilege," or that my POC friends and colleagues have not had to struggle against it.
You know what my wife has in common with Kallie?
You've never seen either of them, but you still have a firm opinion about how white they look.
My only firm opinion about your wife, Brett, is that she is a Filipino who married an anti-Black racist who thinks she came from an inferior culture. I may make inferences about the extent to which she "passes" as white from that, but they are not "firm opinions"; just guesses based on probabilities.
Typical asshole comment with zero basis except your bigotry
Am I wrong though?
Not always. But it'd be crazy to bet the other way.
Brett doesn’t know what privilege is. Like DEI he will define it as he wants, and then get mad at the strawman he created.
And of course declare you a liar if you try and explain to him the actual concepts.
His world is kept very simple that way.
No. Privilege can be earned or unearned, but even in the latter case — which is likely the implication here — it doesn't carry any implication of being illegitimate. Jeff Bezos's kids have privilege as the result of their dad's fortune — not as a result of anything they did — but that doesn't mean that they came by it illegitimately.
I think there's a bit of equivocation going on there, actually.
People going on about 'white privilege' don't expect others to shrug and not care. So 'white privilege' can't just be a brute (alleged) fact with no moral significance.
The equivocation is your own, Brett. Funny that you're getting confused by your own strategic lack of clarity.
That "white privilege" may have moral significance does not imply that it is a matter of fault or illegitimacy.
Using telepathy to bootstrap your way into a definition you want to believe.
Your world is so full of self reinforcement reality has no chance.
Says Mr Pot 🙂
For now and for ever Kallie Curtis will be known as a thin skinned bitch who ruined the life of an innocent person.
One would hope. Though in fairness, it's unclear from the snippets above whether the thin-skinned jerk is the daughter or the father seeking to exploit the daughter's story.
The defendant destroyed a teacher's allegedly empty personnel file. Plaintiff's lawyer hoped to turn that into a seven figure jury verdict based on destruction of evidence. But first plaintiff needed some evidence that the folder was not empty. No such evidence existed.
Plaintiffs had to pay attorney's fees on some of the claims. For example, a claim against the President who wasn't yet in office at the time of the incident was frivolous.
While I don't in any way object to these opportunistically thin skinned plaintiffs getting bupkis, isn't the whole point of spoilation that the party that destroys evidence is subject to an assumption that the evidence they destroyed was damaging to them?
So, yeah, the very fact that the principal destroyed the allegedly empty personnel folder is supposed to mean that the folder will be assumed to not have been empty.
You don't get the benefit of the doubt when you deliberately created the doubt yourself.
The Appeals Court was using an abuse of discretion standard. Were plaintiffs clearly entitled to a spoliation instruction based on destruction of "potentially critical evidence"? They were not. Destruction of something other than potentially critical evidence does not entitle a party to spoliation sanctions under Hawaii law.
As I read it, they ruled that the plaintiffs hadn't provided any evidence that the personnel folder was not, in fact, empty. But isn't the point of spoilation that destroying evidence creates a presumption, not of innocence, but that it is damaging to you? After all, why would you even bother destroying an empty folder?
But, yeah, it's Hawaii law, and Hawaii law is kind of strange.
Why would you keep an empty folder? And if they had done so, then the plaintiff could just argue that there must have been something in there that was thrown out, because — stop me if you just heard this — why would one keep an empty folder?
To simplify a bit, the putative victim of spoliation must demonstrate to the court that (a) evidence was actually destroyed; and (b) that evidence was destroyed with the intent of depriving the victim of the evidence.
No. You love to try to trot this one out because it's consistent with your conspiracy theorizing. But the burden is on the person arguing spoliation to show that the other party acted with the intent to deprive the person of damaging evidence.
The defendant destroyed a teacher's allegedly empty personnel file. Plaintiff's lawyer hoped to turn that into a seven figure jury verdict based on destruction of evidence. But first plaintiff needed some evidence that the folder was not empty. No such evidence existed.
This seems a bit odd. The court says :
By February 17, 2022, eight days after the incident, Mr. Clouzet had been fired….
Even for an "at will" employment, who would fail to record, and retain, the reasons for firing the employee ? Lest the employee lawyer up and sue for something ?
I would be inferring like crazy that the employee's file was not empty. Maybe that's not "evidence." Maybe the Hawaii Mission Academy is confident that the Lord will protect them from lawsuits. In this case at least, their faith has been rewarded.
Based on about 17 years of practice as an employment lawyer, the vast majority of small businesses do not record or retain the reasons for firing an employee. If this had been a public school, yes, we'd expect that. But that's not this. (And, actually, in this particular case the teacher likely couldn't sue because of the ministerial exception.)
I agree no school that fires teachers over things like this can expect to retain teachers with talent. If one wants to attract teachers with talent, making them spend all their time focusing on avoiding landmines is not the way to do it.