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A Second Round with William Barr on Litigation Over Interstate Pollution
Whatever the merits of climate tort suits (or lack thereof), the argument they are preempted does not hold up.
After I responded with a letter to the editor to William Barr's Wall Street Journal op-ed arguing that state-law-based tort suits against fossil fuel companies seeking redress for climate-related harms are preempted, Barr responded with a letter of his own, to which I offered a sur-reply. Here is a quick review of the argument, with some additional commentary.
In his initial op-ed, Barr argued that "disputes involving pollution that crosses state or international borders are the exclusive domain of federal law." My letter (and accompanying blog post) pointed out that this was wrong, noting the Supreme Court's decision in International Paper v. Ouellette in which the Court held that such suits are not preempted, but that common law nuisance suits over interstate pollution must apply the law of the source state, not that of the polluted plaintiff.
In his reply, Barr sought to argue that I "misread" Ouellette, writing:
In response to my op-ed on climate-change tort suits, he invokes International Paper Co. v. Ouellette (1987) to suggest that states may regulate out-of-state emissions unless doing so is "incompatible" with federal law. But Ouellette reinforces my position.
The court held that the Clean Water Act pre-empts states from applying their own pollution law to an out-of-state source, since subjecting one source to multiple state laws would create a "chaotic confrontation" and undermine the federal regulatory structure.
What Barr's letter elides is that while Oullette prevents a state or its residents from applying their state's law to out-of-state polluters, it expressly held that nuisance suits over interstate pollution are not preempted, but may continue. As I noted in my sur-reply letter:
While he is correct that the court in International Paper Co. v. Ouellette (1987) "held that the Clean Water Act pre-empts states from applying their own pollution law to an out-of-state source," it further held that "nothing" in federal law precluded "aggrieved individuals from bringing a nuisance claim pursuant to the law of the source State."
In other words, such suits may proceed and aren't pre-empted by federal law. This is precisely what happened in Ouellette. After the court's decision, the case proceeded to trial on remand, the plaintiffs presented their case and International Paper settled, agreeing to pay substantial compensation.
So there is no mistake, Ouellette rejected Barr's initial claim that "disputes involving pollution that crosses state or international borders are the exclusive domain of federal law." It did not preempt such suits, but rather set the terms under which such suits can proceed. The Ouellette case itself is a case in point, as the plaintiffs were allowed to pursue their claims against interstate air and water pollution on remand.
The point of Barr's initial op-ed was to encourage the Supreme Court to grant certiorari in Suncor Energy v. County Commissioners of Boulder County, the most recent state-law-based climate tort suit brought before the Court.
Thus far, the justices have shown little interest in wading into climate tort litigation, despite repeated entreaties to do so. I suspect one reason for this is the fundamental weakness of the substantive argument, combined with the preliminary posture on which these cases have been brought. While there is an ostensible circuit split, insofar as the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit swallowed the preemption arguments and several state courts have not, this has not yet been enough to convince four justices to support certiorari.
Even if the justices ultimately vote to grant cert, precluding state climate litigation altogether will remain a heavy lift under current law. Insofar as Congress has the constitutional authority to preempt litigation of this sort, it has not enacted any law that would do so, and I will be surprised if the Court ultimately says otherwise.
As my second letter concluded:
It is the job of the judiciary to say what the law is, not what it should be. If Mr. Barr believes state-law-based climate litigation should be pre-empted, he should encourage Congress to enact a law that does so.
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For more on the subject, here are my prior posts on climate-related tort litigation:
- Why State Common Law Nuisance Claims Against Fossil Fuel Companies Are Not Preempted, Oct. 27, 2021;
- Third Circuit Rejects Oil Company Efforts to Remove Climate Claims to Federal Court, Aug. 17, 2022;
- Oil Companies Fail to Convince the Eighth Circuit Climate Cases Should Be Removed to Federal Court (Updated), Mar. 25, 2023;
- Is Climate Change Going Back to the Supreme Court? (Minnesota Edition) [UPDATED], Dec. 11, 2023;
- D.C. Circuit Rejects Oil Company Attempt to Remove District's Climate Suit to Federal Court, Dec. 19, 2023;
- William Barr Responds on American Petroleum Institute v. Minnesota, Dec. 26, 2023;
- Supreme Court Takes a Pass on Minnesota Climate Change Case, Jan. 8, 2024;
- Are State Law Climate Change Tort Suits Preempted by Federal Law?, May 3, 2024;
- Supreme Court Denies Certiorari in Climate Tort Suits, Jan. 13, 2025;
- Supreme Court Rejects Red State Attempt to Sue Blue States Over Climate Suits, Mar. 10, 2025;
- William Barr Discovers the Economics of Tort Law (and Misrepresents the Law Governing Interstate Pollution), Nov. 3, 2025;
- Placing Climate Tort Litigation in Context (Updated), Nov. 11, 2025.
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NAL, This isn’t strictly a climate question, but what protections exist against a state declaring it has been harmed by and imposing a penalty to an out-of-state entity?
And assuming the state courts ratify the judgment, is there a path to appeal in federal courts and, if so, what would the standard be?
The particular case I am thinking of would be a state, like California, trying to tax the pensions of former California residents on account of the pensions having been ‘earned’ in California.
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Weasels are as weasels do. Ooh, a thread about abusing the power to tax $0 over there!
In Oulette, the case being discussed by Professor Adler, the Supreme Court addressed this issue, and said a state can’t do this. So if pollution from a plant in Nevada is crossing the border and hurting people in California, the California people have to sue under Nevada law. California can’t pass its own law covering the issue and apply it to a polluter in Nevada.
This is the key point, I think, and it seems to me Adler doesn't really deal with it. In the Boulder case that Barr is seeking cert on, the majority didn't deal with Ouellette. It allowed the case to proceed even though it's based on the application of the Colorado common law of torts to CO2 emissions occurring around the world. Ouellette says you can't do that, as Adler appears to concede. So why doesn't Adler support the granting of cert here and reversal based on Ouellette?
Professor Adler wasn’t addressing that issue. He was addressing only former Attorney General Barr’s claim that the whole matter is completely pre-empted by federal law and has to proceed in federal court. Professor Adler said Ouillette shows that’s not so. State law is relevant. Ouillette clearly showed that plaintiffs can go to state court. They just have to apply Ouillette’s choice-of-law rule as to which state’s law applies.
Deciding that federal law does not preempt state law so that state court has jurisdiction and the plaintiff’s case can’t be dismissed for lack of jurisdiction, is in no way deciding whether the plaintiffs are using the correct state’s law, whether they have a valid legal argument under that law, or whether they win or lose.
So in the Boulder case, the CO Supreme Court ruling that CO state claims can proceed needs to be reversed, per Ouellette. I suppose Boulder then may be given leave to replead to identify a source state (or states). The choice of law problem seems insurmountable - how do you figure out which is the "source state" when the alleged wrong is emitting CO2 all over the world?
It strikes me that the CAA's carve-out of for state court nuisance suits based on the source state's law simply cannot be stretched to accommodate a lawsuit alleging harm from "pollution" that occurred everywhere.
We have a democracy. If you see a problem, you contact your congressman and demand changes.
We love democracy. Until we don't. Don't let plaguelike lawyers try to attach themselves to the tit of productivity. Earn your keep through legislation.
We don't need no stinking democracy! We don't need to persuade millions! Just 12 ascientific yokels with an anecdote-laden sob story song and dance. Imagine 30% of that! Screw democracy when it gets in the way!
We also have a federal system. In a federal system, each state gets to enact its own laws based on its own take on things, and different states can have different and sometimes even opposing policies on an issue. If you don’t like your state’s laws, you can use the democratic process to try and get them changed.
I have a speculative comment. I am wondering if some Justices, perhaps female Justices with a last name beginning with B, have a special tendency to not to want to hold state law pre-empted, in part because of the abortion issue, in part over federalism concerns, in part to avoid having the court have to interpret ambiguous statutes to deal with highly controversial social issues on a federal level unless Congress clearly requires it. Realizing each statute is worded differently, there may nonetheless be a slight tendency to interpret preemption more strictly and interpret perceived ambiguities on the side of non-preemption.
The problem here isn't really classical tort law. The fundamental problem here is that CO2 just doesn't fit INTO classical tort law.
It's not like somebody is dumping lead out of a smokestack, which is a cumulative toxin that is harmful at all significant levels. It's not even like Ouellette, where the discharge was at least "noxious", and lowering property values.
CO2 isn't toxic at the relevant concentrations, it's physiologically necessary, in fact. Within a wide range, you are simply incapable of noticing changes in its level; Indoor CO2 levels can be 2-3 times those outdoors, and you don't even notice it. At ten times the regular level you're still safe.
And it's not even clear that the increase in CO2 imposes net costs, because it has benefits, too! It's entirely possible that they're treating a net benefit as a "tort".
It really makes no sense to treat C02 at moderate concentrations as a "pollutant", so legal precedents concerning pollution shouldn't even have a chance to be relevant. Imperceptible things that may be net benefits simply should not be treated as torts to begin with.
What I'm saying is that, by the reasoning that makes CO2 releases a tort, you couldn't even safely have water vapor emissions.