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[not guilty]

The Washington Post is reporting:

Planned Parenthood has spent tens of millions of dollars providing health care to low-income patients and has closed 20 clinics in the months since the Trump administration blocked the group from billing Medicaid — but weathering the funding cut on its own will soon become untenable, its leaders say.

The Medicaid ban took effect in July. A provision tucked into President Donald Trump’s One Big Beautiful Bill cut the funding for health care providers that offer abortions and receive more than $800,000 in Medicaid reimbursements each year for basic reproductive health services such as birth control, prenatal care and cervical cancer screenings.

Planned Parenthood, the nation’s largest abortion provider, pledged to continue performing the procedure. It also challenged the Medicaid ban in court, a fight that is ongoing. The group released a report Wednesday detailing the funding cut’s impacts to date — the same day a federal appeals court is hearing arguments in its lawsuit against the provision.

The 20 clinics the group has closed since the Medicaid ban became law are in addition to more than two dozen Planned Parenthood clinics that shut down earlier this year because of other federal funding cuts. Those that remain open are “being pushed to the brink,” the report said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/11/12/planned-parenthood-medicaid-health-care/

For those who seek to reduce the frequency of abortions, this prohibition of Medicaid reimbursement for non-abortion services doesn't make a lick of sense. Payment of federal funds to procure abortions has been prohibited for decades; this bill will do nothing to alter that prohibition.

A cutoff of funding for birth control, however, will lead to an increase in unwanted pregnancies, which in turn will inevitably lead to an increase in the number of abortions performed (whether lawfully or otherwise). An embryo or fetus which is never conceived ipso facto will never be aborted. There is nothing "pro-life" about fostering conception of unwanted offspring.

A cutoff of funding for pre-natal care to indigent pregnant females is as cruel as it is counterproductive. Why do those on Eric Rudolph's side of the culture war want to diminish the likelihood of infants being born healthier? As a Middle Tennessee preacher of my youth was fond of saying, not only does that fail to make good sense, it doesn't even make good nonsense.

[Dr. Ed 2]

Simple -- stop performing abortions in these clinics.

But abortions are 99% of the clinics business...

[not guilty]

"But abortions are 99% of the clinics business..."

Is that as true as everything else you have said?

[Brett Bellmore]

Planned parenthood routinely rigs its numbers by counting every little thing as a service. You show up for an abortion, if they give you a pamphlet on birth control, wham: Your visit was only 50% abortion!

The vast majority of their cash flow is tied up in abortion, to the point where, when they have the choice of running separate clinics that didn't offer abortion, or just shutting down entirely in an area, they pick the latter.

[Sam Bankman-Fried]

So just shut them down in white neighborhoods…why do you care if a black neighborhood in Chicago has access to a PP clinic?? Also, give them a billion dollars to build a PP clinic in Gaza and throw in a gender reassignment surgery center! Call it the Moshe Goldberg Abortion Clinic and Hershel Silverstein Gender Reassignment Surgery Center.

[jb]

This is all lies. The vast majority of what Planned Parenthood does is provides contraceptives and STI testing, from both a number of services and revenue perspective. This is actually why it's so effective to deny them money for the non-abortion stuff; if you take away 90+% of their revenue, it's no longer a viable business to just be an abortion clinic.

If your theory about the vast majority of their money being tied up with abortion was true, they could just ignore losing all the other funding.

Adding a link with actual data: https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/major-federal-and-state-funding-cuts-facing-planned-parenthood/

[not guilty]

jb, am I the only one who suspects that when MAGAts are challenged to furnish facts instead of wild ass speculation, they break out in hives?

[Stephen Lathrop]

not guilty — If you check Bellmore's comment, you find it is not inconsistent with jb's linked evidence. Bellmore just assumes all the linked evidence is a pack of lies.

So there you have it. MAGA in a nutshell. If everyone is lying, then nobody can tell what is really going on. Then it can't be right or wrong to do anything, so that delivers license to do whatever you want.

MAGA, of course, does not concede a right or power to any other party to do as they please. That's just for MAGA. Elections make whatever MAGA wants legitimate. If MAGA loses an election, that's illegitimate too, because majorities want MAGA. Election losses only prove hanky-panky.

It's a complete political philosophy. For morons.

[Frank Drackman]

50,000,000+ dead black babies is a fact.
If they were Sea Turtle Eggs it'd be a Felony.

[Mr. Bumble]

jb's link discusses Medicaid patients only. Medicaid money can't be used for abortions thus the figures only apply to other services.

[Brett Bellmore]

Again, when given a choice of spinning off the abortion services from the non-abortion, creating a corporate firewall between them so that fungibility ceases to be an issue, they have opted to forego the funding, instead.

Abortion is their central service, everything else is, if not window dressing, at least secondary.

What Planned Parenthood’s Annual Report Proves

"Take an example. A woman walks into a Planned Parenthood clinic. She takes a pregnancy test, meets with a counselor, and chooses to have an abortion procedure. While she’s there, she also receives an STI test and a breast exam and is handed birth control on her way out the door. Planned Parenthood would count each of these “discrete interactions” — six in total — as a service, so abortion would be only 16 percent of that woman’s visit."

[Mr. Bumble]

As always figures lie and liars figure.

[Sarcastr0]

Brett's got a 2018 NRO article and he's going to rely on that to claim everything that doesn't support his policy preference is lies.

Like he does.

[Armchair]

"The vast majority of what Planned Parenthood does is provides contraceptives and STI testing, from both a number of services and revenue perspective."

Is it?

"In 2022-23, 96.9% of the time, women seeking help related to their pregnancy at Planned Parenthood were sold an abortion rather than given prenatal care, provided care for a miscarriage, or helped to make an adoption plan. Prenatal services, miscarriage care, and adoption referrals accounted for only 1.7% (7,008), 0.9% (3,598), and 0.5% (2,148), respectively.["

As the chart below shows, the number of abortions planned parenthood is doing is rising...while the total number of actual patients it's seeing is falling.

https://lozierinstitute.org/fact-sheet-planned-parenthoods-2023-24-annual-report/

[jb]

Not sure if you know this or not, but contraception is something you give women before they get pregnant, not afterwards. Similarly, STI testing isn't really associated with pregnancy-related care.

In other words, your link doesn't respond to what I wrote in any way.

[Sam Bankman-Fried]

So shut down the PP clinic in the middle of Baltimore?? Why not just encourage white teen girls to not get abortions…or maybe just mind your own business, freak!

[wvattorney13]

Money is fungible. If you provide money to an organization that performs abortions and earmark it for non-abortion services, that simply frees up the funding that would have been used for those non-abortion services and makes it available for abortions.

[not guilty]

And there will be more such abortions (or in the alternative, more unwanted babies at risk of illness, abuse and/or neglect) if funding for birth control and prenatal care is cut off.

Would you agree that fewer abortions is better than more abortions? I'm pro-choice, and I thank that makes a boatload of sense.

[Sam Bankman-Fried]

We have more abortions now that Roe was overturned…that’s why I supported overturning Roe because Republicans figured out ways to circumvent it several years before it was overturned. Now that we can test embryos wealthy people will stop procreating the old fashioned way in several years and so RepooplicKKKunts’ position on the issue is even dumber than it was before that development.

[Krayt]

The rich have been sneaking HGH into their kids for decades now. A few extra inches are proven to be a statistical bool to lifetime income.

[Frank Drackman]

That's what she said!

[Commenter_XY]

NG...PP will have no problem raising private funds to close any funding gap. Not to worry, the abortion mills will go on.

[not guilty]

Abortion has gone on for millennia and will continue to do so -- safe and legal or otherwise.

But absent reimbursement from Medicaid, Planned Parenthood will provide less birth control and prenatal care. How is that arguably a good thing?

The Washington Post article I linked to states:

Planned Parenthood has spent tens of millions of dollars providing health care to low-income patients and has closed 20 clinics in the months since the Trump administration blocked the group from billing Medicaid — but weathering the funding cut on its own will soon become untenable, its leaders say.

How is the conception and birth of unwanted, at risk offspring a good thing? Please explain that to me. As I asked wvattorney13, would you agree that fewer abortions is better than more abortions? Yes or no?

[Mr. Bumble]

Did the article mention how many tens of millions of dollars they have spent donating to mostly Democrat politicians?

[Sam Bankman-Fried]

Yeah, like Republicans could hand out free birth control in Black neighborhoods!?! Use your brain!! Derp derp derp.

[Frank Drackman]

In Med Screw-el we used to joke that the only Birth Control the Blacks had were the looks of your average Black Woman, ever notice your average NBA/NFL/MLB Players wife doesn't look like Stacy Abrams?? or Kagrungy-Jackson-Brown??

Frank

[Martinned]

Have they?

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/planned-parenthood/summary?id=D000000591

Maybe you should stop extrapolating from the eye-watering levels of corruption that have become the norm under the current regime.

[Armchair]

Prenatal care at planned parenthood?

"Only a small number of Planned Parenthood health centers offer the full range of prenatal care services. However, our health centers can refer you to another doctor or nurse in your area who offers prenatal services. "

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/blog/does-planned-parenthood-do-prenatal-care

[Sarcastr0]

Alternately:
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/get-care/our-services/prenatal-postpartum-services

Many Planned Parenthood health centers provide early prenatal care, can help connect you to full prenatal care, and can help support you with postpartum care.

Seems disingenuous of you to skip the website on the issue in favor of a random blog post and then ignore the clear proviso 'the full range.'

[Dr. Ed 2]

There is another possibility with Trump's Epstein files -- Trump rescued one or more of the victims and he's protecting her.

We're talking someone who'd be in her late 30s now, may have a husband and children now -- who know *nothing* about what she was doing when she was 15.

Or she's part of MAGA -- don't you think the Dems would use this to destroy her?

[Martinned]

There is another possibility with Trump's Epstein files -- Trump rescued one or more of the victims and he's protecting her.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Sam Bankman-Fried]

Melania was most likely a recruiter for pEestain and Ghizzstain.

[jb]

Another possibility is that Epstein was actually a space alien and Trump is conducting secret negotiations to try to prevent the Earth from being destroyed in retaliation for killing him.

[Kazinski]

I voted for that.

While I am pro-choice, or at.least against government bans on abortion, I don't believe taxpayers should fund abortions.

[not guilty]

"While I am pro-choice, or at.least against government bans on abortion, I don't believe taxpayers should fund abortions."

Uh, the use of federal funds to pay for abortion, except to save the life of the woman, or if the pregnancy arises from incest or rape, has been prohibited by Congress since 1980. Why do you bring up that red herring, Kazinski?

[Kazinski]

Because the money is going to Planned Parenthood.

And actually I am.against funding any NGO, because if it is funded by the government its a GO. The only reason to put in the level.of abstraction is for plausible deniability, like Planned Parenthood.

Or for that matter NGOs like Ecohealth Alliance which got grants from NIH so then it could fund things that government organization could not fund, like gain of function research.

[not guilty]

"Planned Parenthood" is not a magical incantation. How is PP offering less birth control and prenatal care in order to focus its resources on abortion services a good thing?

[Mr. Bumble]

Given the number of abortions they have provided it seems that they never have spent much on birth control services.

[Sam Bankman-Fried]

That’s the best criticism of PP—they don’t do a very good job. But if Republicans started handing out free birth control to young Black women they would be accused of genocide…which is why Trump said PP does a lot of “good things”.

[Martinned]

Based on your vibes?

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/03/25/what-the-data-says-about-abortion-in-the-us/#how-many-abortions-are-there-in-the-us-each-year:~:text=Back%20to%20top)-,How%20has%20the%20number%20of%20abortions%20in%20the%20U.S.%20changed%20over%20time%3F,-The%20annual%20number

[not guilty]

Mr. Bumble, I suspect that Planned Parenthood, through its provision and advocacy of birth control services, has prevented more abortions than an army of "sidewalk counselors" has ever dreamt of.

How is that provision of birth control and prenatal health services a bad thing?

[Mr. Bumble]

"I suspect..." .Martinned's vibes?

"How is that provision of birth control and prenatal health services a bad thing?"
Not something I said. I'm claiming that they are falling short on the "planned" part.

[Krayt]

When abortion was overturned, the people who cheered said, "Contraception next!"

[jb]

So by this logic, the government shouldn't give money to defense contractors either? Or if we're just talking nonprofits and Medicaid funds, why should we allow nonprofit hospitals to serve Medicaid customers?

[Sarcastr0]

So you are pro choice but just look pro life because of how hardcore a libertarian you are….

This is not a well thought out position.

[Stephen Lathrop]

And actually I am.against funding any NGO, because if it is funded by the government its a GO.

Kazinski lets the cat out of the bag. He is against funding anything, government or otherwise.

And no, Kazinski, government paying someone to do something government wants done does not make the party paid a part of government. The Midwest is not blanketed with communist farm collectives.

[Martinned]

There are occasional embarrassing attempts to fight off the competition from vegan products by banning producers from calling them by "meat words" like "burger": https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3w5v75deewo

A somewhat less tragic version of that is today's ECJ judgment holding that a non-alcoholic beverage cannot be called gin under relevant legislation: https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2025-11/cp250140en.pdf

[Martinned]

The written judgment won't be available until noon, but the press release refers to Regulation 2019/787 on the definition, description, presentation and labelling of spirits.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2019/787/oj

It doesn't say which provision the court relied on, but at first glance it's not obvious to me how a law about the labelling of spirits can govern the labelling of things that aren't spirits, because they don't have any alcohol.

[Brett Bellmore]

It certainly appears to be on-brand for the EU. Is it any different from saying that you can't use the word "Parmesan" in the name of a cheese if it's not from Parma?

[Martinned]

Yes. Protected Geographical Indications are a form of intellectual property. Just like brands they give local producers a way of competing on quality. Which is exactly what distinguishes the European economy from the Chinese and the Americans: we make quality products, because we have institutions that incentivise a long-term perspective.

[Brett Bellmore]

It's not about quality, because it doesn't discriminate on the basis of quality. It doesn't matter how good your Parmesan style cheese made outside Parma is, it could win a blind taste test against the real thing, and it's still not allowed to call itself "Parmesan".

PGI's are, as I understand them, essentially truth in advertising on steroids. You're not allowed to use a 'misleading' designation even if somebody would have to be brain damaged to actually be misled by it.

From that perspective, prohibiting calling a non-alcoholic beverage "Gin" even if the name itself says it's non-alcoholic is the same sort of thing: Brain dead truth in in advertising.

[Martinned]

The point of trademark law is to facilitate competition based on quality. Without trademark law I could make a shitty beverage and call it Coca Cola, and the only way the Coca Cola company could beat me in the marketplace would be by being cheaper. That's the public interest in trademarks. That's why we have them.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C8-5/ALDE_00013069/

[Brett Bellmore]

The excuse is quality, the reason is favoring economic incumbents.

[Sarcastr0]

...You coming against trademark law in general, or this implementation in particular?

[Brett Bellmore]

This isn't trademark law. Trademark law says that if company A trademarks "Jolt Cola", you can't use "Jolt Cola" as your own product's name. You could market "Joke Cola", though.

It doesn't ban the "Mountain Dude" shirt that takes a close look to confirm it's not soda merch, that I picked up in a park gift shop.

EU law goes WAY past US style trademark law, which focuses on avoiding people being deceived about whose product they're buying.

[ThePublius]

"The point of trademark law is to facilitate competition based on quality."

No, it's not. It's to protect the investment that a company has in the production and promotion of its products, regardless of some vague notion of 'quality.'

Plus, the link you supplied has nothing to do with what you claim.

[Krayt]

This is one place I disagree with America on the America-European differences on intellectual property. We are young, and the idea of products being named for a region they originally come from is not a thing here.

It is in Europe, though. I don't dismiss it out of hand as inherently ludicrous. I lived there for a while, and it's just another thing people do.

You aren't forbidden from making a similar product, and I wouldn't ban saying it's similar to Champagne, or Gouda, or Delft pottery, or a hundred other cheeses.

I, for one, look forward to visiting County Stinking Bishop some day.

[Drewski]

Embarrassing how? The purpose of consumer labeling is to help the consumer determine what they're buying, not to help your buddies get a few sales by misleading people. If someone wants vegan substitutes, they can find them. If someone doesn't, they should be able to differentiate.

The notion that basic, neutral consumer laws such as thing should be leveraged for activist causes is a corrupting one. But you're a pretty bad person who is not concerned with civic good, only with winning points for your pet causes.

[Martinned]

1. I'm not a vegetarian.

2. It's ridiculous to claim that a label that says "vegan burger" is somehow misleading because it says burger.

[Frank Drackman]

Sort of like "Non-Dairy Creamer" of course "tasteless torn newspapers" probably wouldn't sell very well.

[Martinned]

The judgment is now out, albeit only in French (the language of the court) and German (the language of the case).

It looks like the key provision is art. 10(7) of the Regulation, which indeed seems pretty unequivocal:

Without prejudice to [other provisions], the use of the legal names referred to in paragraph 2 of this Article or geographical indications in the description, presentation or labelling of any beverage not complying with the requirements of the relevant category set out in Annex I or of the relevant geographical indication shall be prohibited. That prohibition shall also apply where such legal names or geographical indications are used in conjunction with words or phrases such as ‘like’, ‘type’, ‘style’, ‘made’, ‘flavour’ or any other similar terms.

So it seems like this isn't the court's fault, but more dumb regulation.

[Brett Bellmore]

So, it was exactly "Protected Geographical Indication", as I thought.

[Martinned]

No. The same provision mentions PGIs and the specific labels mentioned in paragraph 2 of art. 10. One of those labels is "gin". Gin is not a PGI.

[Brett Bellmore]

Yes, I know that it's not literally a Protected Geographical Indication, but your quote above demonstrates that it was PGI adjacent, based on the same legal reasoning.

[Martinned]

Today in Strategic Autonomy-news: The cloud company Solvinity, which is used by the Dutch government for DigID, the tool we all use to identify ourselves on government and near-government websites, as well as for lots of other government functions, is being acquired by our American friends at Kyndryl.

I'm as curious as you are whether the Dutch government is going to use national security legislation to stop this.

https://www.dutchnews.nl/2025/11/dutch-cloud-firm-solvinity-taken-over-by-us-it-giant-kyndryl/

https://nltimes.nl/2025/11/12/dutch-governments-caught-guard-american-tech-firm-buying-dutch-cloud-company

[Stephen Lathrop]

I do not know much about that technology. I suspect it may lie behind ineradicable bugs which make one person I know incapable to keep passwords in working order.

The problem seems to be that years ago, before cloud computing was a thing, he had an identity name and password which went into limbo after he ceased employment at the business which had the account. Now that forgotten and unrecoverable stuff seems to lurk in servers that get consulted every time his computer boots up and checks for cloud connections.

The check seems to think there is an illegitimate discrepancy of some kind, and demands that he change his current password(s). Again and again. He has tried to get around it by severing and disallowing all cloud connections. That seems to work, until background processes which operating systems perform, especially during system updates, reconnect his computer to the cloud. There seems to be some kind of insuperable interest among computer vendors to keep every computer cloud connected.

Anyone else have this problem? Anyone know how to make it stop?

[Brett Bellmore]

Wipe the computer clean and go into the witness protection program.

No, seriously, he needs to make a complete break from his previous online identity, so the systems don't connect him with anything prior.

[Frank Drackman]

I'd try turning the computer off and then back on. Works for me.

[Brett Bellmore]

HP customer service will tell you that reformatting the hard drive is an essential first step in solving any computer problem that cycling the power switch won't solve.

[Frank Drackman]

Well, you can do that too, I'm currently running Country (and Western)

[Martinned]

Today in Brexit:

[Von der Leyen and Starmer] also agreed to launch talks on the permanent sanitary and phytosanitary standards (SPS) deal and an agreement on linking emissions trading systems.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ursula-von-der-leyen-keir-starmer-brexit-prime-minister-european-commission-b1257860.html

Of course, ideally this should have been part of the withdrawal agreement the Tories made. But better late than never, I guess.

Incidentally, this is one of the many things that are stupid about Trump's "trade deals". They are not trade deals, they are tariff deals. Proper trade deals, like the ones the US used to make before Trump, and the ones the EU makes, cover a wide range of issues, including questions like "if there's an outbreak of mad cow disease, how do we catch it quickly and make sure it doesn't spread over the border?"

[Sam Bankman-Fried]

I noticed Rory Kinnear gets to play the prime minister now…it’s because nobody knows what the pm looks like. Michael Sheen hardest hit. 😉

[Frank Drackman]

Don't mean to offend (well maybe a little bit) but nobody gives a fuck about your European news.

[ThePublius]

+1

[apedad]

The Rapist-in-Chief has never done anything honorable in his life.

But he can change that by resigning immediately.

[Frank Drackman]

Flashback much? Bill Clinton left Orifice January 20, 2001

[Martinned]

Another judgment handed down today, this time from the European Court for Human Rights. This might be some kind of record, in terms of how many controversial topics are affected by a single case:

In the case of A.R. v. Poland the Court held that there had been a violation of the right to respect for private and family life.

The case concerned restrictions on abortion rights in Poland.

In a judgment of 22 October 2020, the Constitutional Court declared unconstitutional provisions of the Law on family planning, protection of the human foetus and conditions permitting the termination of pregnancy, which had allowed for legal abortion in the event of foetal abnormalities.

The judgment was not published until 27 January 2021. The ruling prompted widespread protests, including demonstrations involving thousands of participants all over the country.

At the time of the delivery of the Constitutional Court’s judgment, the applicant had been 15 weeks pregnant. Results of medical tests confirmed that the foetus suffered from a genetic disorder. She travelled to the Netherlands where the pregnancy was terminated in a private clinic.

The Court found that the interference with the applicant’s rights had been the result of the situation of considerable uncertainty in the time between the Constitutional Court’s judgment being handed down in 2020 and its publication in 2021. It had been unclear during that time whether the restrictions on abortion on the grounds of foetal abnormalities had already taken effect or if abortion could still be legally performed.

The interference with the applicant’s rights had not been “in accordance with the law”, owing to both the composition of the bench of the Constitutional Court which had given the judgment of 22 October 2020 and because there been a lack of foreseeability required under Article 8, owing to the general uncertainty as regards the applicable legal framework caused by the delay in the publication of the Constitutional Court’s ruling. It followed that there had been a violation of that provision.

https://www.echr.coe.int/w/judgment-concerning-poland-7

So yes, we have:
- Abortion
- The fake Polish judges
- The practice of not publishing judgments, which (under Polish law) meant that they hadn't taken effect yet

[Frank Drackman]

Wow, imagine what your Continent could do if they'd put that effort into something productive, like fucking.

[Sarcastr0]

I guess now we know why Trump spent more effort keeping the files from being released than reopening the government.

[Frank Drackman]

There's a reason they don't release raw FBI files, for example, I could say "Sarcastr0 Boo-fooed me when I was 8" and the Agent would have to document
"Reporting Party states "Sarcastr0" sodomized him at the age of 8"
even though I'd be totally lying (I was a pretty tough 8 yr old, anyone trying to go Barney Fag with me would get the Lorena Bobbit Special)
but if they released the report it'd be
"Sarcastr0 accused of raping 8 yr old!!!!!!!!"

Seriously, keep it up with the Epstein Bullshit, maybe get Freddie "Boom Boom" Washington, Barbarino, and Horshack in on it too.

Frank

[Brett Bellmore]

If we now know, why weren't you able to cite something?

[Sarcastr0]

This is all over the news including FOX; asking for a source seems like you're sealioning.

But here you go:

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/12/jeffrey-epstein-donald-trump-emails-00647447
“Trump said he asked me to resign, never a member ever,” Epstein wrote in a 2019 email to Michael Wolff, an apparent plea from the president for Epstein to leave Trump’s Mar-a-Lago club. “[O]f course he knew about the girls as he asked ghislaine to stop.”

Epstein also wrote in an email in 2011 to Maxwell that Trump was a “dog that hasn’t barked” — what appeared to mean that Trump had not disclosed details about Epstein’s activities. Epstein added that a victim, whose name was redacted, spent hours with Trump.

And https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/epstein-offered-reporter-photos-donald-girls-bikinis-kitchen/story?id=127473941

"would you like photso [sic] of donald and girls in bikinis in my kitchen."

"ask my houseman about donad [sic] almost walking through the door leaving his nose print on the glass as young women were swimming in the pool and he was so focused he walked straight into the door."

"my 20 year old girlfriend in 93 ,, that after two years I gave to donald,"

"you see , i know how dirty donald is. My guess is that non lawyers ny biz people have no idea. what it means to have your fixer flip."

"yes thx. its wild. because i am the one able to take him down."

[Frank Drackman]

You're leaving out the ones where he said he set you up with little boys in return for (redacted)

[Krayt]

I recommend continuing to name Open threads as Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, etc. Even though they are every day, it makes for easy visual identification when thumb-whipping down the Volokh scroll wall, and lets you know you've got the right one, and whether a day has been missed somehow.