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Why Fentanyl Smuggling isn't War and Cannot Justify Extrajudicial Killing
Thus, Trump's attacks on boats in the Carribean have no moral or legal justification.

Donald Trump continues to order strikes on boats carrying supposed drug traffickers in the Carribean and the Pacific, killing an estimated 43 people so far. I have previously written about why these attacks are both illegal and unjust. See also insightful analyses by Brian Finucane at Just Security (here and here). Drug smuggling is, at most, a criminal law issue, not an act of war. And, in many cases, the people targeted either were not actually smuggling drugs or were not on their way to the US (US law cannot and does not forbid mere possession of drugs in international waters).
The most common answer to such critiques is that the strikes are justified because the supposed smugglers are transporting fentanyl, and fentanyl overdoses kill thousands of Americans each year. Thus, it is claimed, fentanyl smuggling represents a threat akin to terrorism (labeled "narco-terrorism" by the administration), and Trump is justified in using military force to forestall it.
This equation of drug overdoses with terrorist attacks overlooks the fundamental moral and legal difference between deaths that occur as a result of violent attack and those that occur because consumers voluntarily imbibed a dangerous drug. Many people die every year, at least in part because they chose to adopt dangerous consumer habits. For example, many thousands of deaths per year are obesity-related (far more than are caused by fentanyl). Obesity is greatly exacerbated by bad diets. It doesn't follow that manufacturers and sellers of junk food are the moral equivalent of terrorists, and that the US government would be justified in killing them without any due process. The same goes for producers of many other products whose consumption contributes to poor health outcomes, such as alcohol, cigarettes, and more.
In the case of illegal drugs, the negative health effects are actually exacerbated by prohibition. The fentanyl crisis is itself largely a result of the War on Drugs, a predictable consequence of the "Iron Law" of prohibition, under which banning legal markets incentivizes dealers and users to turn to harder, more potent drugs.
In my view, the real evil here is the War on Drugs, which causes immense harm, and violates the fundamental principle of bodily autonomy. People should be able to decide for themselves whether the benefits of taking a given drug are worth the costs, including negative effects on health. The same goes for eating junk food, drinking alcohol, and so on. Ending the War on Drugs would simultaneously protect liberty and greatly reduce the role of organized crime and drug cartels in the drug trade - just as the end of alcohol Prohibition greatly curtailed the role of criminal organizations in that industry.
But at the very least, there is no moral or legal justification for turning the War on Drugs into a real war by executive fiat. Only Congress can authorize war, and it has not done so here (and for good reason).
But don't take my word for the importance of the distinction between terrorism and fentanyl smuggling. Take that of John Yoo! Prof. Yoo, a prominent conservative legal scholar, is the leading champion of sweeping executive power over national security issues. But he nonetheless concludes, in a recent Washington Post op ed, that Trump has gone too far, here:
These attacks risk crossing the line between crime-fighting and war. The Trump administration is right that illicit drugs are inflicting more harm on the U.S. than most armed conflicts have. More than 800,000 Americans have died of opioid overdoses since 1999….
But the U.S. cannot wage war against any source of harm to Americans. Americans have died in car wrecks at an annual rate of about 40,000 in recent years; the nation does not wage war on auto companies. American law instead relies upon the criminal justice or civil tort systems to respond to broad, persistent social harms. In war, nations use extraordinary powers against other nations to prevent future attacks on their citizens and territory. Our military and intelligence agents seek to prevent foreign attacks that might happen in the future, not to punish past conduct….
As an official in the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, I was at my desk on Sept. 11, 2001. I advised that the U.S. could wage war against al-Qaeda without blurring the distinction between crime and war. After 9/11, the U.S. declared that it would wage war for the first time against an organization, rather than a nation. But the drug cartels alone do not present a similar challenge that rises to the level of war.
Crime is generally committed for personal gain or profit rather than a political goal. Drug cartels employ murder, kidnapping, robbery and destruction to create a distribution network, grab turf from other gangs, intimidate rivals or customers, and even retaliate against law enforcement. National security threats, such as terrorist groups, might resemble organized crime in some respects, but the Mafia and drug cartels are unconcerned with ideology and are primarily out to satisfy their greed.
Like a nation, a terrorist group conducts attacks that are highly organized, military in nature, and aimed at achieving ideological and political objectives. A terrorist group might resort to crime for funding, such as stealing money or defrauding charities, but terrorist groups use the money for military and intelligence efforts rather than the mere accumulation of wealth. An enemy's conscious political objective distinguishes war from general crime, which exists at a persistent level, and which society will never completely extinguish.
I think Yoo's analysis here understates the harm caused by the War on Drugs, even in its conventional criminal-justice form. But he's absolutely right about the distinction between crime and war.
There is no war here. Thus, Trump's boat strikes do not even qualify as war crimes. They are just plain ordinary crimes, a form of extrajudicial murder.
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I think Jed Rubenfeld gives a better analysis.
https://www.thefp.com/p/trumps-been-bombing-boats-in-the-caribbean-is-this-legal
You are deadly wrong on one point. Many fentanyl deaths are caused by unknowing use. Fentanyl is clandestinly mixed with other drugs, creating a fatal dose. Are you arguing that all drug users deserve to die? The drug cartels have been lawfully declared to be terrorists. You support these monsters. TDS strikes again.
There recently was a baby crawling on the floor who absorbed a lethal dose through skin contact.
These drugs have done so much damage that I don't think that drug dealers deserve 8th Amendment protections.
No, there wasn't. This doesn't happen. It takes hours of exposure through the skin for a fentanyl overdose. (Every doctor who has looked at instances of cops claiming to have touched fentanyl and been dosed have diagnosed them as having panic attacks, not fentanyl symptoms.) Now, a crawling baby might have ingested fentanyl and died, but there's nothing special about fentanyl in that regard; there are zillions of substances that could cause that.
WGAF what you think? The 8th amendment has nothing to do with desert. Also, the issue here is the 5th amendment.
It is the 8th Amendment that prohibits "cruel and unusual punishments" such as drawing & quartering, and then hanging the quarters from Interstate overpasses until they decompose.
I am not going to bother searching for a cite on this, but I have heard of police DOGS absorbing fentanyl through their paws, and the cops giving the dog Narcan, which reportedly worked.
As to absorbing things through your skin, nicotine patches and stick-on pain patches come to immediate mind. As does the old "whiteout" fluid that they didn't tell you could also be absorbed through your skin, e.g. using your finger to wipe it dry. I long wondered why I could type much longer on a computer than my old Smith Corona.
It says here "ingested" but I doubt anyone actually knows:
https://nypost.com/2025/03/03/us-news/mom-rails-against-owner-of-nyc-daycare-where-son-1-died-of-fentanyl/
A prudent choice.
David is exactly right. The Eighth Amendment prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment attaches upon criminal conviction. The government "does not acquire the power to punish with which the Eighth Amendment is concerned until after it has secured a formal adjudication of guilt in accordance with due process of law. Where the State [or federal government] seeks to impose punishment without such an adjudication, the pertinent constitutional guarantee is the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment." Bell v. Wolfish, 441 U.S. 520, 535 n.16 (1979), quoting Ingraham v. Wright, 430 U.S. 651, 671-672 n. 40 (1977).
Punishment prior to adjudication of guilt is prohibited by the Fifth Amendment. Bell v. Wolfish, 441 U.S. at 535 ("under the Due Process Clause, a detainee may not be punished prior to an adjudication of guilt in accordance with due process of law.").
Amongst other things, I am certified to teach High School Civics and did not know this -- am I correct that the "cruel and unusual" becomes irrelevant because *any* punishment violates due process?
Another Fentanyl infant death:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/cobb-county-mom-pleads-guilty-211337492.html
Depends on how the Fent-a-nol is produced, “Fentanyl Citrate” is a Salt (a Salt that will F you up) and is only effective IV(OK and Intra-thecally and Epidurally)it’s what we mostly use in Anesthesia (sometimes we even give some to the patient)
Roosh-uns used a gaseous form to take out some Terrorists (and most of their hostages)
Back in Residency had some leak from a Syringe in my Scrubs pocket out onto a Cigar (one of those awful “it’s a Boy!” Variety)
That was a really good Cigar!!!
Frank
"The drugs are very dangerous" exception to the Eighth Amendment doesn't exist. In fact, the Eighth Amendment is one of the few enumerated rights for which there are no exceptions for, e.g., war or insurrection. Your opinion that Eighth Amendment protections should be suspended for drug traffickers because fentanyl is very bad m'kay qualifies this as one of the stupidest comments of the year.
That being said, the Eighth Amendment doesn't apply in international waters to non-citizens. In fact, this is probably one of the few uses of the military by the Executive that doesn't raise other constitutional or separation of powers issues like the enforceability of the War Powers Act in the same way as lobbing a random missile into a sovereign nation or flying bombers into Iran does. Ilya's hysterical take ignores the extraterritorial nature of these killings of non-citizen smugglers plus the historical precedent for executive action against non-state actors on the seas like the Barbary Wars.
Not deserving doesn't mean deny -- it's about who we are and not who they are. And while they deserve to have their rotting corpses hung from overpasses, we don't do that.
More on the baby: https://abcnews.go.com/US/owner-day-care-baby-died-fentanyl-pleads-guilty/story?id=115267732
The linked ABC story says nothing about the baby absorbing fentanyl merely from crawling. The day care facility was apparently being used as a front for fentanyl processing and trafficking.
I honestly don't know how anyone would ever know how it got into the baby's bloodstream.
Funny thing - - -
Unless an act is both cruel AND unusual it is not punishment from a behavior modification perspective.
I think the usual argument is that if drugs were legalized, they would be regulated and consumers would know what is in them, and then the people who overdose on whatever do deserve it because it's their own fault.
Bootleggers seem to be in the Baptists' camp on the topic of legalization and regulation, though.
The problem is that the Libertarian/Legalize argument ignores the welfare burden of unemployable adults.
Are people in prison employable?
They make great License Plates!
How many legs does a dog have if you call its tail a leg?
Lawyer declares law doesn't matter.
So you think that if a state passes a law saying that a person can change the sex on his/her birth certificate, that a person who does so has actually changed his/her sex?
You can argue the rights and wrongs of this but to claim there is zero moral argument to waste hardened cartel traffickers. Like its impossible to imagine any scenario that would give rise to the slightest justification that these guys might just be bad enough to take out just goes to show how delusional he is.
And we are!
I am not an expert on international law, the law of war, or laws relating to piracy. I disapprove of this use of deadly force against these purported criminals. But at least I will recognize that criminals on the high seas away from a functioning civil justice system are not the same as criminals in the ordinary sense of the word. Also, a president has the power to use military force in a defensive way without first getting a congressional declaration of war.
Different laws/rules apply in different settings. People have different rights and protections in different settings. Soldiers are different from criminals who are different from pirates or terrorists. Ignoring these difference between various settings demonstrate ignorance or perhaps arrogance.
What did Professor Somin say when President Obama used military force to kill US citizens who were embedded with and operating with Isis and Al Qaeda?
Taking out civilian boats a thousand miles from the US is not self defense.
This is not piracy; this is (if anything illicit at all) smuggling. An entirely different concept. And one still can't kill pirates just for fun, though of course if one tries to seize a suspected pirate ship and the ship violently resists, that's a different story.
The president may be able to use the military to repel invasions without congressional authorization, but that's not what this is. This isn't "defensive."
How would starting out by admitting you don't know what the law is, and then insulting people who tell you, be characterized?
"I disapprove of this use of deadly force against these purported criminals. But"
I used to agree. But, fentanyl is not "eating junk food, drinking alcohol, and so on," Opiates are far more addictive than alcohol or nicotine. It is very easy to get hooked on oxy after surgery and move on to harder stuff. *
I look at the evidence. Decriminalizing pot is fine. It's not addictive like opiates**. Decriminalizing harder (more addictive) drugs like heroin hasn't solved the demand-side problem, only made it worse. It has only created a lot of places with open-air drug markets and homelessness.
Unfortunately, China exploits this, helping to manufacture drugs in Mexico and Venezuela (see for example Zhi Dong Zhang, an accused Chinese drug boss recently extradited to the US).
I am not a fan of seeing an aircraft carrier off the coast of Venezuela; I am not a fan of China having inroads in South America either.
The only long term solution will be mRNA gene therapy that prevents people from responding to opiates and becoming addicted. Until then...
* Addiction is brain chemistry and biology. You can't Mens Rea yourself out of a 300% increase in dopamine, nor can you abstract the prohibition economics from the real biological brain effects.
**Some studies show cocaine to be less addictive than nicotine: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21145178/
Its a double standard - Somin has a delusion that any and all immigration, including drugs, into the US is good. Any efforts to stop immigration and drugs is bad
That would not in fact be a double standard. But also Prof. Somin didn't say that, so your comment is just a lie.
Also, the basic problem with Yoo's analysis is that Mexico, Venezuela, and Colombia are narco-states. Leadership is bought, paid for, and voted for, propped up by the cartels.
That makes the cartels political.
In a communist/socialist system, political gain *is* "personal gain or profit" because the politicians own the means of production.
In a communist/socialist/Trumpist system, political gain *is* "personal gain or profit" because the politicians own or control the means of production.
FTFY
I still own whats in my 401k.
Your TDS is palpable.
>> I still own what's in my 401k.
Maybe. Please keep in mind that the ultrawealthy WANT inflation.
No, no, they don't.
Inflation is a tax. Who wants to be taxed?
If anything, corporate chieftains like unemployment a little high and the labor market a little slack, so that they get two applications for every job opening. Leverage!
“Drug smuggling is, at most, a criminal law issue, not an act of war.” To the extent that state bad actors are involved, directly or indirectly, in manufacturing and smuggling this poison that is killing and harming countless Americans, I beg to differ. In fact, there not need be a “state” actor at all. Ask the Barbary pirates. But since we killed most of them WAGING WAR, ask the Somali pirates targeting shipping today.
“And, in many cases, the people targeted either were not actually smuggling drugs or were not on their way to the US (US law cannot and does not forbid mere possession of drugs in international waters).” This absurdity barely merits any response. But one may wonder what they were doing in the specially outfitted super speedboats. Fishing? And what they were hoping to catch in the sub is anyone’s guess. Moby Dick? Captain Nemo?
"US law cannot and does not forbid mere possession of drugs in international waters)"
The hell it can't!
US law prohibits the mere possession of slaves -- the Atlantic trade in African slaves ended because the US and British Navies enforced US and British Law against slavery.
And it's not just US law -- there are International Laws against drugs.
They weren’t fishing, if nothing else. For the types of fishing alleged, they were missing the usual lines and line pullers on deck. Wrong type of boat too. There’s no need for anything approaching the speed the boat was capable of, it wasn’t big enough, nor could it carry the tackle or any fish caught.
Cultists: yes, we know that these attacks are probably technically illegal and unconstitutional if we follow US law, but as Trump is doing it, fuhrer macht rechts and it's definitionally moral.
Hundreds of thousands of dead Americans, NBD.
Couple dozen drug mules. MURDER MOST FOUL!
Murder is murder. Suicide is not murder.
Typical libertarian compassion.
Yeah I don’t think that you’re feeling compassion, you’re feeling blood-lust.
And what is it called when you're given one drug where you know the dose, but it's actually contaminated with a second drug that you weren't aware about that, and that second drug kills you...
I wonder how Ilya would feel if members of his family died from drugs.
That might change his opinion but it wouldn't change the argument he's presented, Clearly you find yourself unable to challenge the argument so you deflect.
"How would you feel if...?" is not ever a valid rejoinder to a rational argument
How would you feel if Ed ever did actually make a valid rejoinder?
They are, for all intents and purposes, pirates, flying the flag of no nation. Pirates are outside the protection of the law of nations and are entitled to no due process. When President Jefferson sent the Navy to interdict the Barbary pirates, without a declaration of war, he did not attempt to arrest them. As Chancellor Kent wrote:
James Kent, Commentaries on American Law 187-88 (8th ed. 1854).
Somin argued years ago that killing Somali pirates was illegal, so I don't think he would find the centuries of historical and legal precedent to be persuasive.
Somin would not find centuries of precedent to be persuasive, regardless.
They are for no intents or purposes pirates, and they are flying the flag of some nation. If they are actually smuggling drugs — something for which we've seen no evidence — then they are… wait for it… smugglers. Smuggling and piracy are very very different concepts.
Also, although the popular term was (and is) "Barbary pirates," they were state actors, not private criminals. And Jefferson did not do what you claim; he sent the navy to the Mediterranean with orders to defend American ships, and not to take offensive measures unless there was a state of war. Even once there was, he didn't order the Navy to just go out and sink Tripolitan ships. The Navy seized their ships. (Not to say that no ships were sunk, of course — but in battle.)
Man, what if a hundred years ago, the military bombed rum runners?
American politics, including the current administration, would be different.
Which is to say, it wouldn't be any different at all.
Well the Kennedy Klan would probably never gotten into politics.
The military did bomb rum runners.
https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/rum-war-the-u-s-coast-guard-and-prohibition/
"what if a hundred years ago, the military bombed rum runners?"
The "Rum Row" ships at anchor 12 miles off the coast and in International waters, or the speedboats that ran it ashore?
The speedboats they tried to sink when they didn't stop, more bullets than bombs because of the technology of the time, but it was really hard because the rum runners knew the bottom better than they did, and weren't doing it on sunny afternoons.
But the anchored ships were all British flagged (mostly Canadian, but still British at the time), in International waters, and selling a product that was legal everywhere else in the world. Besides, the USCG could have boarded them if desired, it would have been a massive International incident, and what was the USCG supposed to do when they found the booze aboard?
Here, fentanyl is illegal internationally. The US is now the world's biggest navy, and no other navy is going to stop us from sinking the druggies.
Which flag(s) were they flying? Pictures, please!
"... Take that of John Yoo! Prof. Yoo, a prominent conservative legal scholar, is the leading champion of sweeping executive power over national security issues. ..."
Prof. John Yoo, South-Korean-American, Positivist.
Conservative legal scholars may differ greatly in their analysis but all believe in the relevance of the history of the US founding documents; among which the Declaration of Independence was intended to provide the moral foundation for the US Constitution. As well, acknowledge that "moral foundation" is dependent on "natural law".
One cannot be both a "conservative" (one who is focused on "preserving and protecting"), and a "positivist" (one who can only conceive of transient, prescriptive, socially (democratically) accepted rules, without a moral anchor or any kind; ends justify the means, e.g., compelling cooperation through torture). ...
Unless, the equivocation of "conservative" and "positivist" is asserted by a "communist" or "anarchist" with intent to deliberately misidentify another and promote their own wanting credibility.
Sisu, I agree that there is tension between natural law and legal positivism, but it does not follow that -- in accepting natural law as foundational for human rights, a position with which I strongly agree -- that laws then passed under our constitutional system are invalid because someone finds them to be "positivist" (meaning without due deference to natural rights.)
I personally believe in the death penalty (which CLEARLY is conceived under the Constitution, despite the existence of the 8th Amendment which was passed at the exact same time as the 5th Amendment) but I believe it should be limited to crimes against society. So, the person who murders their spouse, no -- but the person who runs Murder, Inc. (like John Gotti or or Sammy the Bull Gravano,) or perpetrates terror (like Tim McVeigh,) yes. Under that analysis, the multi-billion dollar, multi-thousand person, foreign-based drug enterprise -- backed in no small measure by corrupt, collaborating State actors -- should be treated as war-like measures aimed at our society as a whole. In short, lethal force is justified. Natural rights and the relevant due process they imply does not pertain to warlike measures. If Venezuela (or its free-as-a-bird criminal enterprises) were to poison the Croton Reservoir that provides NYC with its drinking water, we would have no problem treating that as an act of terrorism/war. To purposely export and smuggle in to our country thousands of tons of poison, year in and year out, is not a different proposition. And as has been mentioned above, many thousands of Americans have died from this poison.
"The U.S. cannot wage war against any source of harm to Americans. Americans have died in car wrecks at an annual rate of about 40,000 in recent years; the nation does not wage war on auto companies."
1) The auto industry is legal and beneficial. Deaths caused by cars are an unwanted byproduct.
2) The drug trade is illegal and detrimental. Deaths caused by drugs are desired by foreign powers to damage our country.
Dumbass libertarians can't understand this.
That's because it's paranoid lunatic insane. Drug dealers are businessmen; their goal is to make money, not "damage our country." (Not to mention one would have to be stupid to think that some overdoses would do that.)
Drug addicts have two (and only two) possible outcomes: they get clean, or they die of overdose or something else directly related to their addiction. Using e.g. heroin isn't the same as smoking or drinking wine; people aren't doing it casually into dotage. This is chemical warfare being waged on our country, and for some reason you're making excuses for it.
No, there actually are other possible outcomes. Lots of people actually use drugs in moderation. And unless Pablo Escobar is sending armed soldiers to sneak into people's houses and feeding them drugs, it's not "warfare."
As for recreational use - Likely not fentanyl. Maybe pharmaceutical grade, but not street grade. The potency is just too variable for safe recreational use. Plus, it’s highly physically addictive. Significantly More addictive than heroin.
" Drug dealers are businessmen; their goal is to make money, not "damage our country."
Obviously, both things can be true simultaenously.
The United States has for much of its history engaged in covert actions against other entities and powers, up to and including plots to assassinate government leaders of other countries. These things are neither particularly legal nor particularly moral, and yet they jappened with some regularity in our history.
Moreover, for quite a long time the concept of “international law” only really applied to other white Western powers, with other countries - Latin and South America in the United States’ view - regarded as only nominally independent countries in which the United States retained significant freedom to act.
I am not here to justify Mr. Trump’s behavior. I am merely saying that the freedom to choose includes the freedom to ignore mores and conventional morality. Like it or, not, the United States has the power to do this.
I agree with Professor Somin that the United States’ power to intiate covert actions along with other acts of organized violence lies with Congress, not the President. But like it or not, Congress has so delegated and conceded that power to the President that it has all but abdicated its right to control it.
What is happening here is not all that different from, say, the CIA’s involvement in the overthrow of President Allende of Chile in 1973. Not legal by the standards of international law, and not moral either. But within the power of the United States to do.
It is up to the people of the United States through their elected representatives to decide whether they want a government that is a bastion of law and morality in its foreign policy, or one that, as our Vice President put it, not oy says but acts on “we don’t give a shit” about these things.
We’re making a mistake in thinking about this in terms of policy and trade-offs. It’s pretty simple what’s happening here: they’re thrill kills.
Trump, Hegseth, Miller, and Rubio are seeking the thrill of killing to entertain their own boredom and pathological insecurity. But they’re too elite and old to simply shoot up a school or kill a homeless person. So they order drone strikes and post the snuff films. That’s what excites them. It’s just dominance LARPing by insecure psychopaths at the expense of human beings. And everyone supporting this is doing so for the same reason they wouldn’t have qualms about gladiatorial combat if Trump reintroduced that.
She didn’t know it, but Shirley Jackson was essentially envisioning the modern American right and the VC comment section when she wrote The Lottery.
"Trump, Hegseth, Miller, and Rubio are seeking the thrill of killing to entertain their own boredom and pathological insecurity."
LTG, for the millionth time: you cannot read the President of the United States' mind. Please seek immediate psychiatric help.
“LTG, for the millionth time”
You’ve never once told me this.
“you cannot read the President of the United States' mind.”
He’s one of the most surface level people we’ve ever had in the office.
“Please seek immediate psychiatric help.”
What do you think psychiatry and psychology are? Why do you think that I can’t psychoanalyze the statements and actions of high level politicians but you think you can diagnose me based on a single comment?
He's learning, though. He's learning to use acceptable (maybe barely) cover stories for actions taken for other reasons. This was done against him in dozens of initiatives over the past 8 years to cover myriad attacks against him, a political foe.
Silly cover stories, reverse lawfare, reverse legal attacks. This is your world. They're just learning, slowly as usual, to play it.
Somin is an enemy of humanity.
yawn
Ilya Baby, I love ya like a Brutha, but this is gonna play about as well in Peoria as Schlongs in Junior High Screw-el Girls Locker Rooms.
Frank
When Barry Hussein had OBL “Terminated with Extreme Prejudice” everyone thought it was great.
OK except for a few spoilsports like Sleepy Joe, Mullah Illhand Omar, and Priapsm Slap-a-Jap.
Frank
The execution of Osama bin Laden was pursuant to a Congressional Authorization for Use of Military Force adopted on September 18, 2001. https://www.congress.gov/107/plaws/publ40/PLAW-107publ40.pdf
I am still waiting to find something Trump could do that the MAGAs would no defend.
Under the 2001 Congressional Authorization to Use Force "the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons HE DETERMINES [emphasis added] planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons."
So if Trump decides the current evidence of Maduro laundering drug money through Iran, already judicially deemed a 9/11 perp harborer, is harboring, then you already arguably have Congressional military authorization.
https://www.rand.org/pubs/commentary/2024/08/its-time-to-designate-venezuela-as-a-state-sponsor.html#:~:text=Embedded%20within%20Maduro's%20security%20apparatus,and%20its%20sponsors%20in%20Tehran.
You could argue that but you would be wrong, and look like a fascist moron at the same time. South American counties had nothing to do with 9/11. The 2001 Congressional Authorization to Use Force is not a blank check to attack anyone the president wants in perpetuity.
To the extent that hiding Irans dirty money through a money laundering process and so empowering Iran by concealing its identity in that process, it arguably harbors that judicially recognized 9/11 perp. Iran previously harbored 9/11 perps by allowing them to travel through their country without any telltale stamp on their passports, per the 9/11 Report.
If the cartels were flying planes carrying WMD missiles and we knew they were going to fire them into the US, we would be justified in shooting down the planes. No different.
MAGAs are the dumbest shits on the planet. There is no other appropriate comment to that bullshit.
Somin appears to be claiming that there needs to be some "terrorism" nexis. There doesn't. The US President is given broad discretion in issues he considers to be national security.
Clinton's bombing of Kosovo/Serbia. Clinton's bombing of Serbia/Bosnia. Clinton's bombing of a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan. Obama's bombing of Libya in 2011. Obama bombing Syria And more...
All major operations. With little to no resemblance to actual "terrorism".
The President is given broad discretion in relation to national security. Would it be nice if the President listened to Congress, especially when they pass resolutions denying the ability of the President to do any of these missions? Sure. But...it doesn't work that way.
In this particular case, Congress has made no resolution.
"The President is given broad discretion in relation to national security."
That is not in the Constitution.