"Je Suis Charlie"

A nice headline for a Free Press editorial, drawing the entirely coincidental verbal connection to the aftermath of the Charlie Hebdo murders.

It also reminds me of a passage I mentioned after those murders, from Rebecca West, writing about the English in 1940 as they anticipated the German attack on England after the fall of France:

Let nobody belittle them by pretending they were fearless. Not being as the ox and the ass, they were horribly afraid. But their pale lips did not part to say the words that would have given them security and dishonour.

Perhaps this wasn't so with Hebdo, and the Charlie Hebdo editors really were fearless (see, e.g., this quote from Stephane Charbonnier). Perhaps Kirk hadn't really foreseen the risk to him (though it sounds like had faced serious threats before). But whenever I have occasion to think about true courage, it is West's words that come to my mind.

Comments

[Stupid Government Tricks]

Nice one. I wish all the keyboard heroes spouting off in favor of killing lefties in honor of Charlie Kirk would stop dishonoring him with their hypocrisy.

[Sam Bankman-Fried]

Crooks was a bitter clinger MAGA Republican—a true DEPLORABLE!! Looks like the Kirk shooter has a similar profile to Crooks and Mangione…good Republican boys who descend into madness and their families unfortunately don’t get them the medical attention they need!

[Stupid Government Tricks]

Like I said ...

[Roger S]

None were Republicans.

[Sam Bankman-Fried]

Crooks was a registered Republican—he was a bitter clinger MAGA Republican—a true DEPLORABLE!! Kohberger and Mangione were also Republicans….stop the MAGA Madness!!!

[Malika la Maize]

Buzz off.

[AmosArch]

I see a ton more leftoids justifying Charlies death. I've seen zero rightwingers saying that we should kill leftwingers....I'm sure there are a couple crazies out ther but can you show me where you found this to be a predominant or significant sentiment?

[Snorkle]

Here's a handy reference:

https://bsky.app/profile/junlper.beer/post/3lynte3wmkk2p

Of course this is just nutpicking; they're all nobodies like Elon Musk and Libs of Tiktok.

But since this was Redcap-on-Redcap violence, Republicans (including, sadly, Eugene) appear to have zero interest in reflecting on this near-Reichstag Fire false flag. (That Trump appears to still be pushing, but it is hard to tell if he's coherent enough to realize this was a power struggle among his Brownshirts, or if he does, if he wagers he can still pull one off.)

I'm also leaving the country, I found work abroad. I rather suspect if I don't, there's a disturbingly high chance I'll be dead or in a concentration camp within five years otherwise.

[AmosArch]

I don't see any one saying to go out and kill lefties. I see people saying they are ready to defend themselves. Which is understandable given how many people including here are justifying the assassination.

[Sarcastr0]

Who here justified assassination?

Link to their posts.

[Life of Brian]

Nobody has belted out the word "justified" of course, but several have expressed that they understand. You know the names just as well as the rest of us do.

[Kazinski]

And how many people on Blusky said now kill Elon next.

One is concerning, and not nut picking, and there were dozens.

[Sarcastr0]

Nuts you say. On the Internet! Wow.

This isn’t going to become a thing. No matter how hard you hope.

Maybe the next shooter will be a more easily pained as liberal and your hoped for purge can begin.

For now, your authoritarian wishes to wreck your political opposition aren’t happening. And you just reveal how terrible you are by straining to try.

[damikesc]

Far leftie and romantically linked with a tranny. Yup, sounds right-wing. Keep on coping.

Your desperation to avoid ANOTHER tranny-linked shooting is duly noted.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

No. Why would I bookmark every crazy? Expand your horizons. I've seen several compendiums of stupid tweets. Hell, there was one here on Reason, at least.

[Riva]

I have certainly read more than a few contemptibly disgraceful comments mocking, insulting and lying about Charlie Kirk and seemingly being gleefully about his assassination. I am not personally aware of anyone here "spouting off in favor of killing lefties" although I concede that there are more than a few disturbed commenters here.

[Kazinski]

I certainly will not advocate violence against lefties, other than decimating them at the ballot box.

But I do hold morally culpable anyone who has called Republicans Nazis. That is far beyond legitimate political discourse and is clearly a call for violence.

[Frank Drackman]

I agree, but Sleepy Joe has a valid Dementia defense. Common-laws is even more compelling, Mongoloid level Idiocy(can they do a recount on her Chromosomes?)

[Malika la Maize]

“Mongoloid level Idiocy(can they do a recount on her Chromosomes?)”

Do Mongoloids know basic, third grade English rules of capitalization, punctuation, spacing and such?

[Frank Drackman]

You sure claim to.

[LexAquilia]

lol got'em

[Drewski]

"Mongoloid" isn't a proper noun. "Third-grade" is hyphenated when used as a modifier, although in fairness that's part of the fourth-grade curriculum.

[ObviouslyNotSpam]

Many MAGARINOs are clearly neofascists, and a few are neoNazis.

I will always call out authoritarianism, whether committed by the left or the right. You are...more selective.

[LexAquilia]

This language is what gets conservatives murdered.

[Riva]

It is grossly irresponsible (and childishly stupid) to label political opponents as "nazis." Labeling opponents as Nazis implies they are existential threats that may justify extreme or violent measures to stop them. Were not the Germans who tried to assassinate Hitler praised as heroes?

[bernard11]

It is grossly irresponsible (and childishly stupid) to label political opponents as "nazis."

What if they describe themselves as neo-Nazis?

Were not the Germans who tried to assassinate Hitler praised as heroes?

I don't know. I do know that whether they were heroes or not depends on who they were and waht their motivations were, as well as the timing of the attempts.

[Michael P]

Which "MAGARINOs" describe themselves as neo-Nazis? Charlie Kirk sure didn't. If anyone here does, it's someone I muted as not worth listening to.

You're trying to justify killing half the country on the basis of a few nuts camped out at a compound in the middle of nowhere, and you're ignoring the many talking heads on TV -- or writing for the New York Times -- or posting comments online that seek maximal engagement -- who are wrongly attributing views to individuals on the right. For example, Charlie Kirk once quoted an antisemitic statement in order to rebut it point-by-point; the NYT claimed that this was proof that Kirk held those antisemitic views, and its belated "correction" claimed:

An earlier version of this article described incorrectly an antisemitic statement that Charlie Kirk had made on an episode of his podcast.

You should be complaining about your side being so dishonest, not contributing to that dishonesty.

[Riva]

From Ann Althouse: "One must infer that the murderer envisioned himself as an antifascist hero. Presumably, he was able to see what happened to Luigi Mangione."

[Sam Bankman-Fried]

Yep, my concern after the Republican Crooks committed his murderous act was that media coverage would beget copycats similar to school shootings since Columbine.

[bernard11]

One must infer no such thing.

[Riva]

"One of the most common rhetorical strategies employed by the modern Left is the indiscriminate use of terms like “Nazi” or “fascist” to describe political opponents. This tactic is not merely an insult but a deliberate attempt to delegitimize, silence, and morally discredit anyone who challenges leftist orthodoxy. Rather than engaging in substantive debate, the Left weaponizes historical atrocities to frame their adversaries as dangerous extremists. This practice has its roots in communist propaganda and has evolved into a powerful tool of psychological manipulation, ensuring that anyone who questions progressive ideology is immediately put on the defensive."
https://selsey.substack.com/p/the-leftist-tactic-of-labeling-opponents

[Sarcastr0]

You're not going to un-overuse Nazi by pretending it's out of norm at this late date.

Posters on here call Martinned a Nazi *all the time* and you have never objected.

[Riva]

Wow. You love to rant “whataboutism” and now this? Complete and total lack of self reflection.

[Brett Bellmore]

It wouldn't even occur to me to call Martinned a Nazi. It's a smear used almost exclusively by the left against the right.

[bernard11]

Would you say the same about fascist?

[damikesc]

Can you cite an example? I've never seen it.

[Malika la Maize]

Well said.

[AtR]

I honestly haven't seen a single such "keyboard hero" anywhere.

I have also not seen riots burning down cities and police stations or wild uncontrolled rampages.

Funny that.

[damikesc]

That's key.

Kirk is murdered and...not a riot. Not a fire. Just prayers and vigils.

This is certainly not a universal reaction for a politically-motivated murder.

[VinniUSMC]

https://x.com/ellamaulding/status/1966732168685621415

"Can we kill erika next?" -posted on Bluesky.

But, yeah, it's the supposed "keyboard heroes spouting off in favor of killing lefties in honor of Charlie Kirk" that we need to worry about.

[Bubba Jones]

Bravery is doing things even when you are afraid.

I think "fearless" in these contexts is usually meant to imply they didn't let fear control them. Not that they were foolhardy.

[Martinned2]

Here is a translation of The Song of the Eighteen Dead, a poem from 1941 celebrating the first Dutch resistance fighters to be executed by the Nazis. The poet, Jan Campert, later died in a concentration camp himself. The poem is often recited at occasions of official remembrance.

The Song of the Eighteen Dead

A cell is but six feet long
and hardly six feet wide,
yet smaller is the patch of ground,
that I now do not yet know,
but where I nameless come to lie,
my comrades all and one,
we eighteen were in number then,
none shall the evening see come.

O loveliness of light and land,
of Holland’s so free coast,
once by the enemy overrun
could I no moment more rest.
What can a man of honor and trust
do in a time like this?
He kisses his child, he kisses his wife
and fights the noble [hopeless] fight.

I knew the task that I began,
a task with hardships laden,
the heart that couldn’t let it be
but shied not away from danger;
it knows how once in this land
freedom was everywhere cherished,
before the cursed transgressor’s hand
had willed it otherwise.

Before the oath can brag and break
existed this wretched place
that the lands of Holland did invade
and for ransom her ground has held;
Before the appeal to honor is made
and such Germanic comfort
our people forced under their control
and looted as a thief.

The Catcher of Rats who lives in Berlin
sounds now his melody,—
as true as I shortly dead shall be
my dearest no longer see
and no longer shall the bread be broke
and share a bed with her—
reject all he offers now and ever
that sly trapper of birds.

For all who these words thinks to read
my comrades in great need
and those who stand by them through all
in their adversity tall,
just as we have thought and thought
on our own land and people—
a day does shine after every night,
as every cloud must pass.

I see how the first morning light
through the high window falls.
My God, make my dying light—
and so I have failed
just as each of us can fail,
pour me then Your grace,
that I may like a man then go
if I a squadron must face.

[Sam Bankman-Fried]

So does that make you Antifa??

[Frank Drackman]

How many Americans died to free you fucks?

[Malika la Maize]

How many French died to free us? Stupid game from a stupid weirdo.

[Frank Drackman]

Like none

[Botaglove]

According to Utah officials + police interviews with his family, Tyler Robinson hated Charlie Kirk because Kirk wasn't conservative enough. (Robinson reportedly admired Nick Fuentes).

So what happens now to the Republican notion this is all the Democrat's fault?

[Sam Bankman-Fried]

The notion in 2025 someone politically “radicalized” has never posted anything on the internet would be evidence that he isn’t politically radicalized. What you are repeating is “hearsay” and would not be admissible in any court of law because the parents could be rationalizing and coping and not remembering things correctly. Plus the media personalities promoting that hearsay have very obvious agendas in that they hate Democrats and make money by people listening and reading to their content.

[Michael P]

Really?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/sep/12/charlie-kirk-shooter-suspect-latest-news-updates-donald-trump-utah?page=with%3Ablock-68c47b768f086519d327114d#block-68c47b768f086519d327114d

Now, that's based on an anonymous source, so it's suspect -- but that's one source more than you provided.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/charlie-kirk-shooting-tyler-robinson-hate-b2825465.html says that Robinson's complaint was that Kirk was full of hate, rather than not conservative enough.

[ah....Clem]

There's a lot of wish-casting around Robinson's motives and political leanings.

One side desperately wants the shooter to be a trans gay illegal immigrant socialist professor. The other side wants him to be a MAGA kook and serve as an example of how MAGA is being split in two. I'd take such pronouncements under advisement pending more solid info.

Your quote comes from former MSNBC anchor David Shuster, but I haven't seen anything concrete to back it up. The Hindustani Times has a reasonable synopsis of the buzz on Xhitter, Reddit, et al. Make of it what you will.

"Radicalized right wing kook" would be the smart way to bet, but at this point I wouldn't bet more than a beer or two either way.

[Brett Bellmore]

Well, it would be the smart way to bet if you ignored all the actual evidence, or were gullible about falsified evidence.

[bernard11]

Preparing your ground, Brett?

So if the evidence does point to Robinson being a RW nutcase admirer of Fuentes you're all set to claim it was falsified, and he really was an Antifa guy.

[Brett Bellmore]

Why would I have to prepare ground for the left fabricating evidence that the guy was right wing? They started in too fast for ground preparing.

Posts falsely claim Charlie Kirk shooting suspect was a Trump donor

Tyler Kirk photoshopped to be wearing Trump shirt

The guy was so right wing that he was shacked up with a transgender, (Who helped turn him in, it must be noted.) and was the black sheep of the family, the only left-winger in an otherwise conservative family according to acquaintances.

[Kazinski]

You missed the cite for that claim.

Why?

[Frank Drackman]

And James Earl Ray shot MLK because he wasn’t aggressive enough on Civil Rights, do the Universe a favor and make an honorable exit.

[Jazzizhep]

Which would explain him etching “hey fascists, catch,” and the anti-fascists Italian song “Bella Ciao.” He must be to the right of Kirk.

Who knows what he meant by “if you’re reading this, you’re gay.” Considering he was in a relationship with another man.

[Sarcastr0]

Google them. You may be surprised!

[NvEric]

Hope quells Fear to enable Courage. The process takes an instant or an eternity.

The battle between factions becomes pointless. Directions taken lead to nowhere when driven by fear and hate. Even determination is useless when the path is pointless.

[Sam Bankman-Fried]

Politics as a hobby is a very unproductive hobby. We need more tribalism and less engagement because the beauty of only having two parties is that you simply figure out which one promotes the values that are important to you and vote for them. And if you accidentally make George W Bush president then vote for the opposite party in a few elections or just don’t vote at all. But don’t spend valuable time listening to podcasts and reading blogs about politics because it’s all just a waste of time!! What Kirk did was valuable to his family and I respect anyone providing for their family…but what he was doing wasn’t good for the country and neither is what AOC and those people do.

[Stephen Lathrop]

Rebecca West was eloquent against fascism, and against lynching in the U.S. She was doubtless a profoundly insightful spokesperson for liberty.

But she seemed to me so grounded in personal liberty as a universal value that it was impossible to induce her to endorse the use of, for instance, political freedom, to undermine the substance of liberty. I concede that exploitation of political freedom to suppress personal liberty might seem to some to be at the center of EV's legal critical expertise.

I am less convinced, or at least not as convinced as I would be about that in the case of West. I am not surprised that EV admires her. I question whether West would have reciprocated. It would seem out of character for West to endorse Charlie Kirk, but in character for EV to do so. I have never seen EV write that anti-racism is the real racism, nor seen him rebuke anyone who does write that. West's body of work stands as that kind of rebuke.

[Jmaie]

Could you clarify what you mean by using political freedom to undermine the substance of liberty?

[Stupid Government Tricks]

Considering Lathrop's history, a plausible guess is he means using politics to restrict liberty, which could justify restricting political freedom to save liberty. "We have to destroy democracy to save democracy!" kind of thing.

[gormadoc]

He's been consistent on this for years. He believes that websites and their owners should be held to the same standard as newspapers and their owners.

[Stephen Lathrop]

Jamie — Sure. West wrote a masterful piece for the New Yorker about one of the last lynching trials in the U.S., which she attended. In it she detailed how lynch-law supporters claimed a power to do as they pleased to exonerate those on trial. They were outspoken against what they described as attempts by outsiders to interfere with their style of life, and their style of governance. It was an outright claim to use political freedom, defined their way, to deny liberty to blacks. West's reporting made them pay an undying price for that.

[Malika la Maize]

“I concede that exploitation of political freedom to suppress personal liberty might seem to some to be at the center of EV's legal critical expertise.”

Tired, convoluted and counterproductive.

[thesafesurfer]

The shooter may or may not have been a Democrat, but what is undeniable is the how much so many Democrats love what the shooter did.

All the Democrats had to do was the bare minimum, either stay silent or offer condolences and some generic comment on free speech and how political violence is never okay. But they couldn’t even do that. Why? Because all they have is this pathological need to impose their views and opinions on everyone with no dissent allowed.

Charlie Kirk has left a legacy, One part is exposing how psychotic his opponents have become.

The most important part of his legacy is all those young people he inspired who adored him. They will remember the assassination of Charlie Kirk. It will shape their youth the way the killing of Martin Luther King, Jr., RFK, and JFK shaped generations before.

Gen Z knows that he was killed to silence him, and they will remember how many psychotic Democrats did not display a shred of decency and attacked and ridiculed him in death.

[Roger S]

Yes, I am amazed at how many Democrats are cheering Kirk's death.

[ah....Clem]

Examples, please.

Like, actual prominent people in positions of responsibility, not random trolls on the interwebs.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

If your online bubble is so constrained that you have not seen the reporting on the hundreds, probably thousands, of lefties cheering Charlie Kirk's death, then nothing anyone else can link to would change your mind.

This article, posted 9.12.2025 12:28 PM by Eugene Volokh, who you've perhaps heard of, would not have been posted in the absence of such praise for Charlie Kirk's murder. That was 9 hours before you claimed you needed proof.

https://reason.com/volokh/2025/09/12/firing-public-employees-who-publicly-praise-violent-criminal-attacks/

I suggest shutting up would be a better strategy for you than pretending to be so naive.

[Malika la Maize]

You do know even thousands, conceding that, would be a drop in the bucket? There are very likely “thousands” of very nearly Neo-Nazis in the conservative camp but I wouldn’t over generalize about them (most conservatives I know in my family, where I work, at my gym, in my neighborhood, etc., would have nothing to do with them; likewise I don’t personally know any “leftist” who didn’t say Kirk’s murder was wrong).

Your posts above were very good. Let’s not give the extremists on either side the attention they want.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

Thousands is more than zero. But math is racist.

And your "very likely" is very likely bullshit, compared to the real posts which you too seem to want to pretend don't exist.

[Malika la Maize]

So you don’t get the concept of how thousands can be a drop in the bucket when it comes to big numbers? Not zero!

[RedheadedPharoh]

20,000 deranged Leftists are cataloged on https://www.charliesmurders.com alone

I've been spending hours each day calling employers of these people. If you love America and still want to save her, I encourage others to do the same.

[Malika la Maize]

I’m sure that’s accurate!

Also, you know Kirk was a big Israel ally. How do square that with your performative anti-semitism here? Has Big ZOG got to you?

[Frank Drackman]

If it wasn't for my Peoples you'd still be picking Cotton in Mississippi.
OK, if it wasn't for some other of my Peoples, you'd be the ingredient in some Warlords soup in Nigeria, wouldn't you rather be employed than an Appetizer?

[LexAquilia]

It's been reported that Kirk claimed he feared for his life if he ever turned on Israel.

Review some of his most recent interviews and public appearances.

Guess who he started criticizing? In fact, there's a public report from August that said Israel will kill him and will try and pin it on a "groyper".

Lo' and behold, what's the current narrative the Democrat Supremacists are running with to bury their complicity in his death?

[Brett Bellmore]

Reported by who? I notice a distinct lack of links in your comment.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

It includes real posts. How much more accuracy do you want?

[ah....Clem]

So, you don't have any examples of actual prominent people in positions of responsibility "cheering Kirk's death".

You can find thousands of people on the interwebs saying just about anything (earth is flat, vaccines don't work, Joe Biden is a clone, windmills cause cancer, etc, etc.)

And the article you point to contains exactly zero actual examples of someone actually " cheering Kirk's death". There may be "many" but it's hardly mainstream.

I

[Stupid Government Tricks]

Your last complete paragraph contradicts itself.

And the article you point to contains exactly zero actual examples of someone actually " cheering Kirk's death". There may be "many" but it's hardly mainstream.

[ah....Clem]

How so? The article contains "exactly zero" examples. That there are examples not mentioned in the article is hardly a contradiction.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

They contradict your narrative that without concrete examples, you refuse to believe it. You can't have it both ways.

[ah....Clem]

It's the part about " actual prominent people in positions of responsibility" that you seem to not want to understand. Get back to us when you've got something along those lines.

[Jazzizhep]

Haven’t seen the teachers, a dean, and a prominent newsman, Dowd, fired for their remarks?

You used two subjective terms “prominent”, and “positions of responsibility.” You also piggy backed off another comment using the subjective term “cheerleading.”

I consider Dowd essentially saying that Kirk deserved it as cheerleading. I also consider him prominent and in a position of responsibility.

I also think “position of responsibility” is incredibly vague to the point of idiocy. My trash collector, the mailman, and my Gardner all hold positions of responsibility.

I don’t care if you don’t like how we define vague or subjective terms, Just quit asking us to cite your definition.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

Ilhan Omar good enough for ya?

https://notthebee.com/article/just-when-you-thought-ilhan-omar-couldnt-be-any-more-awful

[ah....Clem]

Could you point out which quotes, exactly, constitute "cheering his death"? Cause, I'm not seeing anything in the quotes that are actually her words that qualifies. I do see assertions on the part of the article's author that are not substantiated by the cited quotations.

You know, it's possible to criticize his behavior and rhetoric without "cheering his death".

[Jazzizhep]

She shared the video. It’s is vile. Hell, Trump shares a video he likes and gets torched by the left because some no-name also said something else. He gets torched if he took a picture with the sister diddler of the Duggar family BEFORE any accusations were public.

Her words are quoted in the quote box. In case you didn’t know, quotes inside quotes use a single quotation mark.

Cheerleading is subjective. And when one calls someone the names she did after someone was just assassinated, I consider that cheerleading. Especially when all they ever did was use the 1A.

I read stories on FOX about someone getting killed while committing a crime. The comments are full off cheerleading. I remember comments regarding Zimmerman, Rittenhouse, or Penny being called cheerleading by the left. And they killed people actually committing a crime.

[damikesc]

Republicans in positions of authority, universally, condemned 1/6. Mistakenly, as it was just a mostly peaceful protest --- but they did so.

Yet it was a "Republican" thing.

Seems consistent.

[Frank Drackman]

His name is Charlie Kirk

[Malika la Maize]

his Name is
charlie) Kirk
?

[Frank Drackman]

Hey, just a heads up, done lost my job, don't have the money for next month's rent, you think you can let me slide it on? I'll have it for you next week, the week after, I don't know. Hope I don't have to find someone else's nappy head to live in.

[ObviouslyNotSpam]

Do these "Democrats" have names?

I've certainly seen some vile comments from random people on the internet, but I have yet to see any prominent Democrat politician express that they "love[d] what the shooter did".

If you manage to find one, I would be happy to condemn them by name.

[Stupid Government Tricks]

Ilhan Omar good enough for ya?

https://notthebee.com/article/just-when-you-thought-ilhan-omar-couldnt-be-any-more-awful

[ah....Clem]

Um.... that's someone named "Dr. Jones " on notthebee.com claiming that Ilhan Omar meant certain things when what she actually said does not support his interpretation.

I'd recommend finding better sources of information.

[Frank Drackman]

Mullah Omar's comments on 9-11
"CAIR was founded after 9/11 because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties."
"Some People did Something"
which is one way to describe what happened on 9-11, another would be
The September 11 attacks were four coordinated Islamist terrorist suicide attacks by al-Qaeda against the United States in 2001. Nineteen terrorists hijacked four commercial airliners, two of which were flown into the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York City and the third into the Pentagon, which is the headquarters of the U.S. Department of Defense, in Arlington County, Virginia. The fourth plane crashed in a rural Pennsylvania field during a passenger revolt, where the Flight 93 National Memorial was established

The attacks killed 2,977 people, injured thousands more[j] and gave rise to substantial long-term health consequences while also causing at least US$10 billion in infrastructure and property damage. It remains the deadliest terrorist attack in history as well as the deadliest incident for firefighters and law enforcement personnel in American history, killing 343 and 72 members, respectively.

[bernard11]

I am, quite seriously, no fan of Omar, but the statements SGT linked to were not, as far as I can tell, cheering Kirk's death. And what does 9/11 have to do with the issue

Criticizing Kirk's views and words is not cheering his death.

[Jazzizhep]

Uhhh, calling him all kinds of names from a far-left perspective the day of, or the day after, he was assassinated is cheerleading. There is a link she shared above along with her quotes.

I can remember mainstream, not even far-left, media saying conservatives were cheerleading the deaths in the Penny, Rittenhouse, and Zimmerman cases.

It’s always a double standard.

[Sarcastr0]

No, that's not cheerleading. Criticizing the man is not saying it's good he's dead.

That's a pretty easy thing to understand.

The right's commitment to conflate the two is disingenuous, and contributing to the very atmosphere they claim is the problem.

You, too. Quit lying to make the left worse than it is. Makes it seem like you want some bad shit to go down. Which I'm sure you would never want to happen.

[bernard11]

Quoting his public statements to characterize his views, and criticizing those views, is not cheerleading his assassination.

[Frank Drackman]

Just as Thomas Crooks guaranteed the erection for “45/47” on July 13, 2024, September 10, 2025 will be seen as the day JD Vance won in 2028(or 45/47 if he decides to run again)
His name is Charlie Kirk, sorry if that annoys you (not really)
Unlike JFK, who was a philandering mediocre POTUS who did the minimum on Civil Rights to placate his Southern DemoKKKrat base, or Floyd George, who was a woman beating drug addict, Charlie Kirk (his name is Charlie Kirk) actually changed things for the better, like a certain Georgian Minister who dreamt of a time when people would be judged by their character and not their skin color. People (mostly DemoKKKrats) justified his murder too

Frank (my name is Frank)

[EllaWilson]

It's fantastic to see all these losers losing their jobs!

[LexAquilia]

https://x.com/its_The_Dr/status/1966640892011278415

Here is a Democrat Supremacist at MSNBC demanding to Jasmine Crockett (another Democrat Supremacist) that everyone must pick up a weapon and get involved. Jasmine agrees.

Now the video is crystal clear, but I promise you not a single Democrat Supremacist on this board will "see" it. I mean they may watch the video, but their brains are so muddled and controlled that they will not grok that it's a Democrat Supremacist politician advocating for political violence as it's counter to their Soros programming.

[LexAquilia]

Those of you who are self-aware enough and have an inner monologue, pay attention to this:

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/charlie-kirk-assassination-maga/

The subhead:

The white Christian nationalist provocateur wasn’t a promoter of civil discourse.

Now, watch how this new false narrative trickles down to the Democrat Supremacists on this board. The very same people who for the past several days were insisting the Right talk it out in honor of Charlie's primary principle will completely forget this and will cloth themselves in this new narrative.

[Life of Brian]

That's quite the rant, but in all fairness he actually managed to grind out three pretty decent sized paragraphs before he completely Godwined it:

There is no requirement to take part in this whitewashing campaign, and refusing to join in doesn’t make anyone a bad person. It’s a choice to write an obituary that begins “Joseph Goebbels was a gifted marketer and loving father to six children.”

[Magnus Pilatus, MBA, MD, JD, PhDx2]

https://x.com/BrookeSingman/status/1966889202412347602?s=19

More proof of Roberts MAGA bonafides. He loved with his trangender MTF partner.

Whi

[Frank Drackman]

If we're gonna go Full-Godwin, (the) Zoran Ramadan-a-ding-dong has got the Facial Hair (OK, it's more 1990 Sodom Hussein than 1934 AH) the Hairstyle, and like AH, wasn't born in the Country he's trying to get elected in.
Yes (the) Zoran hasn't marched 6 million Jews to Ovens, give him time.

Frank

[Darth Buckeye]

Speech is not violence. Silence is not violence. Violence is violence.

I disavow anyone calling for vengeance. I also disavow anyone trying to blame the MAGA movement or the Republican party. I see the left is trying to say that Tyler Robinson was MAGA or a "groyper" (a term I never heard until today) then they go into a rant about how political violence is only coming from the right. Really?

I am so tired of all of this. I am praying for a fatal heart attack. I won't kill myself, but I don't want to live anymore.

[Sarcastr0]

Just log off.

[Frank Drackman]

You first, and (redacted) off while you're at it

[Frank Drackman]

Use the Force!

[Sam Bankman-Fried]

I pray to Tom Cruise.

[Sam Bankman-Fried]

Geez, take a baby aspirin and chill out. Find a new hobby because following politics is the least productive hobby a person can have in America even less productive than being a sports fan.

[bernard11]

Darth,

Politics and life are two different things. Don't confuse them.

Go walk your dog, or play with your kids, or go to a movie (go to the theater, don't sit home and watch on TV), or something.

And stay away from the news for a while, if you can. (I can't). Don't come back until you are ready to vigorously call me an idiot again.

Also, if this keeps up, get some help. Depression is a deadly disease, and even if it doesn't kill you, it sure as hell can ruin your life.

[Alpheus W Drinkwater]

You're right, this whole discussion is pretty toxic from both sides. It's why I think criticism of Kirk or his words immediately after his murder is a bad idea, even though I think I understand the motives of most people doing it. Better to just decry the deed, and leave the rest for later. After any tragedy, focus on what we can all agree on.