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Firing Public Employees Who Publicly Praise Violent Criminal Attacks
Some have been calling for the firing of people who publicly praised the murder of Charlie Kirk, or at least who argued that the murder was justified or defensible. I'm not wild about such calls; I think we generally need less cancel culture, not more, even as to people who say morally repugnant things. (Among other things, these calls for firing tend to spiral, to cover a wide range of other speech beyond the outrageous statements that first led to them.) But here let me focus not on the ethical or pragmatic question, but the legal one: If a government employer fires an employee for such speech, would that violate the employee's First Amendment rights?
[1.] Praising violence doesn't generally fall into any existing First Amendment exception, so that means it's protected against the government as sovereign—against criminal punishment, civil liability, and the like. The "incitement" exception is limited to speech that is intended to and likely to cause imminent illegal conduct. Praise of a past murder wouldn't qualify: Even if such praise may have a long-term tendency to influence people in the future to do bad things, the Court has rejected this "bad tendency" test for punishing speech.
Intentionally soliciting a criminal attack on a particular person may potentially be punishable as "solicitation" of crime, under U.S. v. Williams (2008) and U.S. v. Hansen (2023). But that certainly wouldn't apply to mere praise or justification of an attack that had already happened. (Just when it would apply to general advocacy of a future attack is a complex and unsettled question.) For more on these rules, see this post on the Graham Linehan controversy.
[2.] Of course, here the government is acting as employer, and in that capacity it has more latitude to discipline and fire employees than it does to imprison or fine them. Generally speaking, the government may discipline an employee based on the employee's speech if
- the speech is said by the employee as part of the employee's job duties, Garcetti v. Ceballos (2006), or
- the speech is not on a matter of public concern, Connick v. Myers (1983), or
- the damage caused by the speech to the efficiency of the government agency's operation outweighs the value of the speech to the employee and the public, Pickering v. Bd. of Ed. (1968).
There is no categorical exception even as to government employment for speech that praises violence; indeed, Rankin v. McPherson (1987) held that the First Amendment was violated by the firing of a law enforcement clerical employee for saying, after President Reagan was wounded, "if they go for him again, I hope they get him":
[The statement] plainly dealt with a matter of public concern. The statement was made in the course of a conversation addressing the policies of the President's administration. It came on the heels of a news bulletin regarding what is certainly a matter of heightened public attention: an attempt on the life of the President. While a statement that amounted to a threat to kill the President would not be protected by the First Amendment, the District Court concluded, and we agree, that McPherson's statement did not amount to a [punishable] threat … or, indeed, that could properly be criminalized at all.
The inappropriate or controversial character of a statement is irrelevant to the question whether it deals with a matter of public concern. "[D]ebate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust, and wide-open, and … may well include vehement, caustic, and sometimes unpleasantly sharp attacks on government and public officials." "Just as erroneous statements must be protected to give freedom of expression the breathing space it needs to survive, so statements criticizing public policy and the implementation of it must be similarly protected."
[3.] But Rankin stressed that the speech actually didn't create much upset or disruption for the office, whether because of an internal reaction or an external one. To quote the concurrence by Justice Powell,
There is no dispute that McPherson's comment was made during a private conversation with a co-worker who happened also to be her boyfriend. She had no intention or expectation that it would be overheard or acted on by others…. The risk that a single, offhand comment directed to only one other worker will lower morale, disrupt the work force, or otherwise undermine the mission of the office borders on the fanciful.
The majority likewise reasoned,
Interference with work, personnel relationships, or the speaker's job performance can detract from the public employer's function; avoiding such interference can be a strong state interest…. [But w]hile McPherson's statement was made at the workplace, there is no evidence that it interfered with the efficient functioning of the office…. Constable Rankin testified that the possibility of interference with the functions of the Constable's office had not been a consideration in his discharge of respondent and that he did not even inquire whether the remark had disrupted the work of the office.
Nor was there any danger that McPherson had discredited the office by making her statement in public. McPherson's speech took place in an area to which there was ordinarily no public access; her remark was evidently made in a private conversation with another employee. There is no suggestion that any member of the general public was present or heard McPherson's statement.
Nor is there any evidence that employees other than [her boyfriend] who worked in the room even heard the remark. Not only was McPherson's discharge unrelated to the functioning of the office, it was not based on any assessment by the Constable that the remark demonstrated a character trait that made respondent unfit to perform her work.
And indeed, if one looks at later lower court cases, they have routinely turned on whether the speech created enough public controversy. When the government is administering the criminal law or civil liability, such a "heckler's veto" is generally not allowed: The government generally can't shut down a speaker, for instance, because his listeners are getting offended or even threatening violence because they're offended. But in the employment context, the Pickering balance often allows government to fire employees because their speech sufficiently offends coworkers or members of the public. (The analysis may differ for public university professors, though it's not clear how much; see this post for more.)
This conclusion by lower courts applying Pickering might, I think, stem from the judgment that employees are hired to do a particular job cost-effectively for the government: If their speech so offends others (especially clients or coworkers) that keeping the employees on means more cost for the government than benefit, the government needn't continue to pay them for what has proved to be a bad bargain. Maybe that's mistaken. Maybe it's so important to protect public debate, including on highly controversial matters, that public employers should have to keep on even the most controversial employees (see this article by Prof. Randy Kozel, which so suggests in part). But that appears to be the rule.
We see this, for instance, with statements that are allegedly racist, sexist, antigay, antitrans, etc.: If they cause enough public hostility, or seem highly likely to do so, then courts will often allow employees to be fired based on them. But if they largely pass unnoticed except by management and perhaps just a few people who file complaints, then courts are much more likely to hold that the firings may violate the First Amendment (see, e.g., this post and this post, though there are many other such examples).
There are other factors that courts consider, to be sure: For instance, if the employer can show that a person's speech shows they are unsuited to the job, that makes it easier for the employer to prevail. But even there the magnitude of public reaction is relevant, because one common argument is that one trait required for certain employees is the ability and willingness to instill confidence and respect in coworkers and clients, rather than to produce outrage and hostility.
And while some have tried to distinguish, say, racist speech from other speech on the grounds that it shows the speaker is likely to unfairly treat clients or coworkers who belong the groups he condemns, one can say that about many kinds of speech: Speech praising the killing of people who publicly advocate for certain views may be said to show the speaker is likely to unfairly treat members of the groups. (Such unfair treatment may often be illegal, especially by public employees, but in any event will often be unethical and contrary to the employer's mission.) As a result, the magnitude of the public reaction, which is often measurable rather than speculative, ends up playing a major role.
This creates an unfortunate incentive: Like any heckler's-veto-like rule, it rewards would-be cancellers, if they only speak out often enough and with enough outrage. But rightly or wrongly, that is how these cases generally shape up.
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Thank you for the informative article.
Rankin v. McPherson was a relatively easy case, as the statement was a relatively private one to co-workers. But what about a public-school teacher who publicly tweets in support of the murder of Charlie Kirk? It's hard for me to imagine that large numbers of parents wouldn't be concerned about having their child taught by someone who says such things (or just the fact that the teacher is a horrible person). They would (legitimately, I believe) question what else such a person is likely to say to their children. The fact that the teacher made this public statement outside of work, doesn't answer the question, as it was in a form that students likely would learn about. I don't think that the school's principal making a statement like, "This teacher was speaking in his/her private capacity and does not represent the position of the school" would do much to assuage the parents' legitimate concerns.
Rankin v McPherson was probably easy mostly because it predates social media, because I don't understand how your line of reasoning has any boundaries.
Imagine a teacher in Massachusetts votes Republican, and almost all of the parents are Democrats. The teacher mentions this to a coworker, who know posts about it on a Facebook page so all of the parents find out. All the parents are now outraged and don't want to send their kids to be indoctrinated by this teacher. Can the school fire the teacher for being a Republican, or for the act of mentioning it to their coworker just because it makes a lot of parents mad?
As if the school is not indoctrinating the kids with leftists ideology
No, the government may not fire employee X because of a public reaction to what employee Y posts on social media. If anything, employee Y deserves to be fired in that kind of case.
Why do you think that's even a reasonable question?
Because according to KRB, if parents question what a teacher may be saying to their kids, that's a reason to fire that teacher.
I guess in KRB's version of the story, the difference is that the teacher posted directly on social media themselves, so does it change your answer if they themselves posted "Just went out and voted. Looking forward to four more years of Trump!"
So ... now your hypo is that leftist parents are so mindlessly radical that they think voting for Trump is morally equivalent to celebrating a political assassination.
Again, why do you think that's even a reasonable question?
Given how many people thought it was reasonable to publicly and in an attributable fashion to celebrate Kirk's death, maybe that's not such an unreasonable hypo as we might wish.
What is it about your brain that requires you to make up strawmen to respond to instead of just engaging with the actual discussion?
The whole point of my hypothetical is that it doesn't seem to matter how morally bad the speech is, just that people are mad about it. So yes, in my hypothetical, people are mad for a dumb reason. But what's the limiting principle in either Professor Volokh's "the speech caused a disruptive result at the school" or KRB's "the parents won't trust the teacher" that would apply to people being mad about political affiliation as opposed celebrating a murder?
I think you have to unavoidably distinguish between, "That teacher advocated/approved of voting in a way I don't like." from "That teacher advocated/approved of cold blooded murder."
They're categorically different. They must treated as categorically different.
Because any country where they're not categorically different is about to have a civil war.
I don't think either Professor Volokh's nor KRG's analysis depends on such a categorical distinction, though. Certainly Professor Volokh's doesn't, since he points out why the violence-specific exceptions don't apply.
No, but I was replying to you, not them, and your reaction to KRG.
I think that KRG IS actually relying on such a categorical distinction, at least tacitly.
What do you think the distinction is? As far as I can tell, KRG's analysis is just "the parents wouldn't trust the teacher to teach their kids". Why does it have to be celebrating a murder for that logic to apply?
I mostly just worry that in our social media world, A LOT of speech can be amplified into something a lot of people are mad about. It seems bad if it turns out that "blew up on social media" turns into an exception to the First Amendment for government employees.
The left: "We don't know how these young men get these ideas and are so radicalized".
A guy who was convinced by democrats and their supporting media that Charlie Kirk was a fascist killed him in cold blood in a planned shooting.
Next we saw the reaction of millions. some posting with their full names and faces. teachers, childcare workers, healthcare workers, hr professionals, game developers. hundreds of thousands of people that we walk amongst every day, who live next door to us, people we think are friends; people we thought were normal people celebrating the gruesome public execution of a father shot in the fucking throat, celebrating his death because Kirk politically did not agree with them.
We saw the left's real beliefs when the “ in this house we believe” shit-lib mask was ripped off. The left is a bunch of sociopathic freaks.
The media asks "Why would he do such a thing?"
Bullshit! They know. They created the killer. Kirk's death is the fault of the Democrat party, their supporters, and that adoring media.
Let the left lose their jobs for their evil comments. Let them reap what they sowed. That is what they demanded happen to conservatives for so many years. FAFO.
As usual, "the right" reveals that they don't have any principled opposition to concepts like cancel culture or limits on free speech. They just don't like when it happens to them.
You don't see any difference between, "Canceled due to expressing some perfectly mainstream, perhaps even majority, position", and "Canceled due to approval of cold blooded murder"?
I don't think the objection to cancel culture was ever based on the idea that it was wrong even in the most extreme circumstance to socially sanction people for opinions.
It was based on the idea that it was wrong to socially sanction people for opinions that WEREN'T extreme, and were unrelated to the nature of the sanction.
You expect to get fired from a elementary school if you're discovered to be a member of NAMBLA.
Not if you're a member of the Knights of Columbus, or the Masons.
The objectionable aspect of cancel culture was, for anybody but an absolutely principled free speech libertarian, that it was people with perhaps minority views, who'd gotten into positions of influence, and were using them to punish disagreement with themselves. Disagreement that was entirely in the mainstream of public opinion.
In the context of BLM and George Floyd, I think there was indeed a lot of pushback against people being cancelled for defending Floyd's murder.
I can't recall one person who "defended Floyd's murder". I recall a lot of people claiming that he wasn't murdered.
There were some people who said that he died because he overdosed on drugs or whatever so Chauvin didn't actually kill him. Fine.
But there were plenty of people basically saying he got what he deserved. Do you really think that's materially different from what some gross people on the left are saying about Kirk?
I don't think the two are materially, or morally, different; however, I don't recall scarcely anyone, never mind plenty of people, saying he got what he deserved.
The outpouring of glee — two Boise area high school teachers fired yesterday for doing so — over Kirk's death is on an entirely different level.
Words are violence, and so cancel away.
Words of joy at violence is not violence and should not be cancelled.
Kneel with me. Dear God. Please send an asteroid to smear this worthless world across the void. Make it a large one to turn the whole surface to lava, to kill even the microbes in the deepest river caves and crabbies about the geothermal mid-Atlantic vents.
Just to be sure.
"principled opposition to concepts like cancel culture"
When cancel culture first started, I though it a bad idea. Then I recognized it was mainly hurting people in the arts, academia and mass media, all left dominated fields. So I changed my mind and now have principled support.
Plenty of right leaners make bad social media comments but they are overwhelmingly anonymous or not in pubic facing positions.
Leftists tend to be more likely to post such things under their own names. An id containment problem I guess.
You think principles for suckers, so I don't buy this story at all.
You don't need to change your mind; you don't care enough for that.
Buy or don't buy. I simply don't care.
Oh look, the line is already starting to shift from "the shooter was a liberal tranny" to "it's the left/Dem/media's fault that a white Mormon from a conservative gun-loving family had his mind changed"
Let's see how well CindyF's comment fares 24 hours from now.
Quit. It's not only "the Left," just like it's not only "the Right" demonizing the opposition. It's "the extremists." The remedy is for public discourse to return to popular centrist norms.
Join me in doing that?
What are some examples of right-wingers gloating in someone being murdered for political opinions?
in light of recent news, rofl
Jasmine Crockett insists that when she calls Trump "wannabe Hitler," it's "not necessarily saying 'Go out and hurt somebody.'"
That "necessarily" means she knows it's at least one reasonable interpretation.
Every time Democrats lose control, their answer is violence.
They burned cities after George Floyd.
They tried to assassinate a Supreme Court Justice over Roe v. Wade.
And now, Charlie Kirk—a husband, father, and bold Christian—was gunned down for daring to speak truth.
This isn’t tolerance.
This isn’t justice.
This is pure hate.
J6.
Democratic politicians in Minnesota.
Nancy Pelosi's husband.
It's both sides.
But don't just criticize the violence. Also criticize calls for violence and dehumanization. That includes the "guillotine" crowd on the left as well as the Kirks and Ingrahams on the right.
What's your point? Both incidents were perpetrated by Leftists.
What is this guillotine crowd?
Cindy is very hateful against liberals because she's sure they're all too hateful.
It's honestly very silly.
I do not understand why people publish stupid shit online with their real name.
Some of them are exposing themselves and truly horrible people.
"real name"
They mainly swim in a left wing sea in their work and life, so are just expressing "normal" views.
When Pickering applies, is it relevant how much the disruption was foreseeable? A teacher's post about Kirk on her personal social media account was reposted by Libs of TikTok and got millons of views instead of hundreds.
The risk of amplification is baked into that system and shouldn't be an excuse to avoid accountability.
I mean, I dont find it reasonable to someone to go "I didnt think it would go viral" on a public post made in a public forum with millions of users.
its an interesting concept but didn't the original case involve someone telling their spiteful boyfriend about their controversial speech, didn't they know that everyone snitches and that he would tell her employers when they broke up?
There's a line here and I'm not sure where it gets drawn.
If someone were to shoot Putin, or the President of Iran, I may or may not verbalize it but deep in my gut my reaction would be "let the joyful news be spread, the wicked old witch at last is dead."
Charlie Kirk was no Putin, not even close. Much as I disagreed with him on just about everything I abhor his death and think his assassin should be severely punished.
Somewhere between Kirk and Putin is a line at which one actually may properly celebrate the death of a monster. Who is in mourning for Mussolini?
But as I'm said, I'm not really sure where to draw that line. Any thoughts?
Whatever happened to the American right to shoot your mouth off in private?.
Death by Twitter and dopamine, apparently.