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On Charlie Kirk's Assassination
Every time a controversial speaker steps foot on a college campus, there is a risk.
In 2018, I was protested at the CUNY Law School. Thankfully, the students did not engage in any acts of physical violence, but I was well aware that things could have turned south quickly. Immediately after the event, I went home to see my parents in Staten Island. My mom and dad were mortified at what happened to me. They were concerned for my physical safety. They implored me to never speak at another law school again.
You can gather I did not heed their advice. I decided, for better or worse, that the messages I bring to other schools are very important, and there would be a significant loss were I to stand down. Still, every time I step foot on a campus, I realize there is a risk. I fully recognize that most law schools lack sufficient resources to protect me as a speaker. Some schools require visitors to check in at a reception desk. Others do not. Virtually no schools have any sort of security checks at the door. I am not (yet) at the level where I need to bring my own security detail. I am truly at the mercy of whatever students decide to do.
This realization flashed before my eyes as I learned the tragic news of Charlie Kirk's assassination. Kirk became one of the most influential conservatives in America. To his credit, he traveled across the country, and was willing to engage and debate on some of the most contentious issues in society. And by all accounts, it seems that Kirk's controversial views led to his assassination.
One response to his craven killing would be to cower, and stop speaking on controversial issues. That surely is the path of least resistance, and I would not begrudge someone who takes that path. Another response is to resolve to speak more boldly about that which matters the most.
It is easy enough for people who are not on the speaking circuit to opine on how to proceed. (Much like people who have never written anything longer than anonymous comments feel qualified to attack regular bloggers.) But these people aren't the ones who have to wake up at the crack of dawn, board a crowded flight, rent a car in some foreign city, show up at an event where you are vulnerable and exposed, and then try to get some sleep at a generic hotel. The lifestyle of a public speaker may seem glamorous, but it is not. And now, with Kirk's assassination, the cost of public speaking becomes even greater.
I think FedSoc speakers, and other fellow travelers, will need to give more thought to security and safety.
I already have a host of events scheduled this semester, which I don't plan to cancel. Long-time readers may have observed that I no longer post my travel schedule in advance. I stopped doing so after the CUNY protest, so I would not make it easier for protesters to plan.
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Speaking in public, sharing thoughts, engaging others in discourse always brings some risk. Same with any activity where contrary opinions come together. In fact any public interaction can become deadly.
Fear, anger, and uncertainly drive violence because they are the same thing shared by the minds without containing hope.
Hope is in the forefront of free people willing to live in peace and accept differences of others.
...any public interaction can become deadly.
This was not a random campus heckler.
600 feet is a respectable distance, this is not somebody who just bought a gun last month. With the right rifle and right scope, I could probably do it -- but not with the first round. This is someone who had adjusted the scope for both distance and elevation, taking into account the drop of the bullet due to gravity.
This is a military-grade sniper -- and maybe not our military.
Also it is a lot harder to get onto the roofs of most college buildings today than you might think. L & L -- lawyers and liability --- colleges are terrified of their students getting onto roofs.
This was not just some random nut.
Your "expertise" is tedious.
But necessary to establish my final point -- this was a targeted
assassination by a professional hitman. Let's start with how the heck he got onto the roof of the admin building.
Thanks, Dr. Obvious
The ironic thing is Kirk was fairly tame as far as conservative speakers go. But he was targeted and people on the left are gravedancing as if he rode around in a kkk uniform shouting about gassing the undesirables. Not that its acceptable to kill even crazy people just for talking.
If he's fair game as an extremist whose views are too dangerous to tolerate thats a significant chunk of the whole US population who are fair game.
Well, yeah, that actually IS the case. They genuinely have defined about half the political spectrum as being beyond the pale.
Projection is a heck of a drug.
Matthew Dowd (MSNBC), JB Pritzker (D), Katy Tur (MSNBC), Laura Coates (CNN)
Take your drugs, this morning. You are in denial. In reading comments, I see half the country termed dangerous cultists in many posts.
What Kamala Harris is worried about is that we will respond the way her people did to the assassination of MLK2.
“her people”
Indians?
Those Etsy witches are more powerful than people think...
https://www.jezebel.com/we-paid-some-etsy-witches-to-curse-charlie-kirk
His name is Charlie Kirk.
+1
But seriously, if this whole sad story results in Josh never setting foot on a college campus again, at least something good will have come of it.
Oh, go take a long walk off a short dock.
Thank you.
His name is Charlie Kirk.
That comment was over the line.
There's the good little MartinNazi.
Martinbed and the other Nazis are showing their true colors today.
You are sick and its time something was done about you.
Leftist speech leads directly to murder. Eugene should revise his policy and ban leftist speech.
Every Leftist is a potential murderer.
Vile, but not unexpected.
martin - you just exposed your delusional hatred which malika tried to deny with his comment just above
“And by all accounts, it seems that Kirk's controversial views led to his assassination.”
You mean “by no accounts.” Last I checked, the shooter had not been identified.
Exactly. Blackman's persecution-complex is a bottomless pit. Less of a law prof., more of an edgelord/activist mindset always on full display.
How much experience do you have with being heckled?
Charlie Kirk's views were not particularly extreme or unusual.
The problem was that he could cite verifiable facts, and would not accept any of the left bogus talking facts.
The Ministry of Truth had no choice.
Matthew Dowd: "I always go back to hateful thoughts, lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions."
J.B. Pritzger: "I think that think there are people who are fomenting [political violence] in this country. I think the President’s rhetoric often foments it. We’ve seen the January 6 rioters who clearly, you know, have tripped a new era of political violence."
Kirk was quite measured in his speech and aimed for good-faith engagement, but leftists still painted him and TPUSA as radical far-right zealots.
He was persuasive, the ultimate sin for one of their opponents to commit.
They couldn't debate him and win so they murdered him. We are next.
But everyone that debates you already wins.
Have you anything useful to say? Or are you just pinch-hitting for gaslighto.
Pro tip: saying what you want to hear is not in any way the definition of "persuasive."
This sort of inciting Democrat Supremacist speech should not be tolerated on this blog.
….are you okay? How is this in anyway incitement or “Democrat /Supremacist” speech? Seems like he’s just making an observation about over-rating the persuasive skills of speakers by people who are predisposed to agree with them.
If he were just out there talking, by himself, you might have a point.
As he founded an entire huge organization, Turning Point?
Yeah, he was persuasive.
If Kirk wasn't persuasive they would not have assassinated him.
Dustbin David, I think 5.56 is obsessed with you.
No one knows why he was shot.
His name is Charlie Kirk.
I mean, in a strict sense, aside from the killer, that's true.
In a loose sense, precisely nobody thinks he was shot over his taste in tennis shoes.
While I assume it was his views I'll reserve judgement. Reagan was polarizing, but he was shot because Hinkley wanted the attention of Jodie Foster rather than because of his conservative views. This could be an ideological killing, or as with Hinkley something else
“I'll reserve judgement”
What are you doing on the internet? 😉
I mean I assume it was his views, I just won't assert it as a fact until we get a rambling manifesto or some social media posts from the actual killer. Who i hope they catch soon.
I think that’s admirable and we need more of it, sorry if that wasn’t clear.
I hope they catch the culprit too. It’s straight up murder.
It was murder as politics, or politics as murder. Don’t pretend otherwise.
The whole point of this discussion is we don’t know yet what the motive is.
The reason I wrote what I did above was to point out that it wasn't a Hinkley who did this. Reagan was a fluke -- a round bouncing off the inside of an armored door at just the right angle instead of going into a regular door. This wasn't a random nut with a gun.
So?
UT Austin, 1966. Charles Whitman (marine veteran) climbed into a tower 231 feet above the ground and killed 15 people and injured many others with a hunting rifle and scope.
Afterwards, it was learned that he had a history of psychological issues and a tumor in his brain.
He was literally a random nut with a gun.
Whitman was also a Marine, had a bunch of guns actually, and used a lanyard to shoot several of them simultaneously, making the first Cops on the scene think they were dealing with multiple shooters. The tumor was a Glioblastoma, Whitman would have been dead within a year at best.
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Pathetic post. What I expect from a leftist.
Were you dropped on your head as a kid?
"He was literally a random nut with a gun."
Not a random nut. He was a nutty sniper.
From Wiki: "[Whitman] earned a sharpshooter's badge and the Marine Corps Expeditionary Medal. He achieved 215 of 250 possible points on marksmanship tests, doing well when shooting rapidly over long distances as well as at moving targets."
It was a targeted assassination.
One of two things 1) he was screwing someone else's wife, or 2) he was targeted for his political activism.
I'm thinking Iranians
I am happy for your confidence.
If Fanduel had odds on various motives, I might be willing to look at what the various odds were for arbitrage opportunities. But yes, it was, as you say, a targeted killing. But what does that actually mean?
Does it mean that he was targeted specifically for his views? Which views? Was it because he was on the "right," and targeted by the "left?" Or was it because he was on the "right," and didn't have a view that was sufficiently on the "right," or had a view that wasn't fully in accord with someone else's view of the "right," and therefore was targeted by the "right?"
Or was it personal? If it was personal, was it "personal personal?" Screwing someone's wife? Or was it personal political? An otherwise apolitical person felt personally harmed by his views (for example, a father of a school shooting victim)?
Or was it personal, but crazy personal? "If I shoot this person, Ima be famous." Or, "I have voices telling me to kill this person." Or, "I am going to impress Beyonce if I kill this person." Or, "I am Frank Drackman, and I think that is Captain Kirk, and afterwards I will just be in a catatonic state repeating his actual name over and over."
Or ... was is political, but crazy political? "Manson had a point! We gotta start the Helter Skelter with violence!!! Civil War starts now, baby!"
Or was it something super low percentage? "I got some money from some sketch Iranian/Russian/North Korean/whatevers to do this, and they're totally going to pay me and not shoot me later."
The heck if I know! Obviously, I think some are much more likely than others, but the only thing I do know is that the perpetrator must be brought to justice. That's the only right thing to do.
And anyone else trying to push a narrative is either doing so for their own benefit, or is just telling themselves what they want to be true.
Pointless talk about pointless violence. Blackman will have to await political influence before any attempt to threaten him would make sense to anyone but his erstwhile allies. For my part, I pledge never to write an anonymous syllable against him.
It’s not pointless violence. It’s intentional violence, utilized to intimidate. Really no different from the KKK lynching Blacks.
Like the Minnesota elected officials killings?
Not at all like the Minnesota murders, and his name is Charlie Kirk.
To keep the topic of this thread from going to waste, I will take a long shot on profiling Kirk's killer. It will be an older white male with a military background. He will be someone distraught about the fate of a son who either fell victim to Kirk's influence, or victim to some third party who acted under Kirk's influence. Either way, the theme of Kirk's assassination will be a story of multiple culture war casualties.
Now you're a "profiler"?
No, lathrop is not a profiler. He is a discarded boomer, whose life expectancy is ~9 years, and whose chance of dying in 2026 went up about 0.6% when he turned 78. At least, according to SSA mortality tables linked below.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
Of course, any comorbidities will shorten that time. I'll go out on a limb but I'd guess there is some obesity, type 2 diabetes and BP issues. lathrop has more important things to contemplate.
He died in 2019, someone should tell him.
C_XY,
That is being uncharitable.
Lathrop has his opinions which he expresses in a long-winded but respectful manner. There is nothing wrong with that.
His name is Charlie Kirk.
It will be a tranny. And your victim blaming is disgusting. Beyond the pale.
No Stupid, it'll be an Androgynous Tranny Loser like Thomas Crooks, with no military background, no children, thanks to the "Gender Affirming Care" he/she/they (See? I'm "Woke"!) had inflicted on them.
- Javier Milei, President of Argentina
Thanks, Jav, for that thoughtful, measured assessment of the "violent phenomenon full of hatred" he has now used to describe anyone to his political left. Next step: call them (all) terrorists...
Domestic terrorists.
Now we need the government to declare Democrats as what they are and act on it like they were doing under Biden but against Whites.
A whole of government approach to eradicate the threat of Democrat Supremacists.
Eradicate, huh? And what would that look like?
We just had two Democratic state officials and their families shot up not that long ago. Plenty of nuts on all sides, sadly. What a partisan putz.
Also, is Argentina part of “the West” now?
His name is Charlie Kirk.
Don’t you mean, his Name is Charlie
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His name is Charlie Kirk.
His Name
is )charlie Kirk?
No, his name is CHARLIE KIRK.
In fact it is. A head of state is allowed to define the stance of his country
For Milei to post this now shows he really is Argentina’s Trump.
Sept. 10 2025
Rosa Roisinblit, an Argentine human-rights activist who fought to establish the truth about the fate of her pregnant daughter and thousands of others who were kidnapped by security personnel and “disappeared” during the country’s 1976-83 military dictatorship, died on Saturday in Buenos Aires. She was 106.
Ms. Roisinblit’s death, in a nursing home, was announced by the organization of which she was honorary president and an early member, the Grandmothers of Plaza de Mayo.
During the “Dirty War” waged by Argentina’s right-wing military dictatorship against perceived opponents, Ms. Roisinblit and others donned symbolic white head scarves and gathered weekly in that central square in Buenos Aires to protest, at great risk, the disappearance of their children.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/10/obituaries/rosa-roisinblit-dead.html
What responsibility does someone born in 1970 have to do with those events?
Even if Milei were born 20 years earlier, that still wouldn't establish his having anything to do with them. There wasn't even an attempt at argument in that comment.
Not surprised you missed the awareness angle.
No, I'm pretty clear that you're unaware that you don't have an argument.
The right-wing President of Argentina saying “the left is always, at all times and places, a violent phenomenon full of hatred” on the same day of the passing of the lead activist who documented the long, terrible reign of right-wing violence in Argentina is incredibly lacking in awareness. I’m not surprised you don’t get it any more than I am to find many color blind people don’t see certain colors.
To say that the left is always, at all times and places, a violent phenomenon full of hatred" is not to say that nobody else is ever violent or full of hatred.
I think Milei was exaggerating a bit, but he's certainly describing a good bit of the institutional left, even if it doesn't go for every single individual leftist.
Perhaps he was "just being sarcastic"?
Imagine a Southern governor saying “the North has always been anti-liberty” on the day his state seceded.
Does that help?
You missed the relevance angle.
Which was?
I’m thinking less responsibility and more awareness Bumble.
I assume we can expect the National Guard to be sent to Utah in the coming days?
His name is Charlie Kirk.
No, this is clearly a job for SEAL Team 6.
Martinned, doubling down on being a jerkoff.
Didn't you read Josh's post? There's clearly a crime wave in Utah, and who else than the National Guard under the inspired leadership of Donald J. Trump can fix it? In fact, come to think of it, the National Guard should be sent to Utah and to every single college campus in America.
His name is Charlie Kirk.
Martin,
You did not take your meds today. You are definitely out of tune with your usual song.
Martinned showing himself as a Nazi.
Even for Josh, this is an absolutely shocking display of narcissism.
It does say a lot that Charlie Kirk's name doesn't appear at all in the first two paragraphs of the post. Three words into reading it, I was almost certain who wrote it.
Well, no. For the average Conspirator it would be. For Josh, it was on brand, sad to say.
I think he draws more criticism than he really deserves, (Except the hair, of course, which really does deserve it.) but, yeah, he clearly has difficulty relating to anything without making it about himself.
I don't think it's narcissism, actually, I just think he finds it difficult to discuss things without using his own life as a reference.
Josh deserves to be shot because of his hair? I'm not sure I agree with you 100% on your Police work...
I don’t fault him for this, I think he’s trying to talk about the particular salience something like this has on his appearances and trying to share how the fear of what happened to Kirk informs his experience (and also the contra, how Kirk must have also experienced such fears but still did what he had a right to do).
It's very Josh. By his own account, the "protests and heckling" at his CUNY speech lasted all of eight minutes (out of 70), before all the protesters and hecklers left the room of their own accord. (By that account, by the way, I thought he handled the situation extremely well.)
Wikipedia: "Narcissism is a self-centered personality style characterized as having an excessive preoccupation with oneself and one's own needs, often at the expense of others."
I think it's a fair cop. That definition matches how I think of "narcissism", even though other definitions say things like "excessive interest in or admiration of oneself and one's physical appearance".
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662 splits the difference, in a way, but is specifically about the mental disorder rather than narcissism in a non-clinical sense.
I think to the extent it's a fair cop, it defines narcissism down to the point where being a narcissist loses it's bite.
Like with Munich, 9-11 Victims leaping to their deaths, the murder of Iryna Zarutska, and the 10-7 Terrorist atrocities, the Video of Charlie Kirk's Execution should be required viewing.
"They took all the footage off my T.V.
Said it's too disturbing for you and me
It'll just breed anger, that's what the experts say
If it was up to me, I'd show it every day" (HT D. Worley)
Frank
Francis, nut and jerk.
The family of Iryna Zarutska, the woman who was murdered on a North Carolina commuter train last month, is calling for justice and public safety reform, and for the public to stop sharing surveillance video of the killing.
https://www.mystateline.com/news/north-carolina-train-killing-victims-family-speaks-out-asks-public-to-stop-sharing-video/amp/
That disgusting group in the DOJ that goes to the families of White victims of blacknl crimes and pressures them to say these things must still be active.
I need to nudge Laura and maybe those sick Democrat Supremacists will get Loomered and lose their jobs.
You’re buds with Zionist Laura Loomer?
Hate-filled Democrat Supremacist.
Muted while I am still alive. Maybe it will help me stay alive.
Can’t keep your story straight…
I hope this grey box above isn't a violent threat against me, but it probably is.
Lol
Yeah. You’re not okay. If you genuinely believe you are in imminent danger because the same ten dorks with nothing better to do than clown on your political beliefs in the comments section of a law blog, you might have deeper issues going on and you should talk to someone.
You're making me feel unsafe.
It’s not an uncommon belief for people struggling with mental illness to believe that expresses of concern for their well-being are actually out to get them.
Flagged & reported for threats to my safety. Your speech is violence.
We both know why you don't want anyone to see the Video.
Francis doesn’t know how posting or English works.
We both know why you don't want anyone to see the Video.
It's "Black and White"
A Black (redacted) nearly decapitating a "White Girl"(his words, not mine) literally not even 1/2 his size.
Black passengers barely looking up, because it's in your nature to murder each other, Iryna was dead by the time 2 (White) riders offered assistance.
The family of Iryna Zarutska, the woman who was murdered on a North Carolina commuter train last month, is calling for justice and public safety reform, and for the public to stop sharing surveillance video of the killing.
Yes, because they have to live in that Shithole and they know how your people respond. And her name is Iryna Zarutska.
Sure, Francis, sure.
Here’s the kid who stepped in shit and when laughed at says “I meant to do it!”
Tedious.
Francis is, yes
His name is Charlie Kirk.
A legal question: why does the FBI immediately get involved in cases like this that don’t have an immediately obvious inter-state hook?
Local and state law enforcement can request their assistance. They have vastly more resources than local outfits and if the shooter isn’t immediately identified or caught it could become an inter-state search/investigation very quickly. And it’s actually not hard to find an interstate hook anyway.
While there is little evidence yet of who was directly behind the assassination, there is plenty of evidence of an interstate conspiracy to stifle free speech through political violence and intimidation.
Why didn’t you answer my reply to you about the Minnesota officials slayings above?
"Kneel before my Whatabout" demands the Democrat Supremacist.
Your power words and incantations have lost all their power.
His name was Charlie Kirk.
Frank will be upset. The proper formula is present tense. His name is Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk lives forever among us, and has risen to be one of the saints eternal.
A Medical-Legal Question: would your "Question" be grounds for Involuntary Commitment?
I can think of a few answers to your Insanely Stupid question.
1: Possible "Hate" Crime
2: Possible "Terrorism"
3: Rifle may have been purchased out of state
Surprised (well not really Surprised) you didn't think of this one,
4: Charlie Kirk (His name is Charlie Kirk) had to be "Connected", 18 year old just magically starts a Billion Shekel business? Right.
Seriously Queenie, stick to topics you have some experience with, like (Redacted)
Frink
Deranged and dumb.
Of course there are multiple possible hooks but that’s true for any shooting, and they don’t all get FBI attention. Stick your addled performance art here.
His name is Charlie Kirk.
Are you sure he identified as male? Perhaps you should say Their name is Charlie Kirk.
The most obvious reason is that he was good friends with POTUS, who was wounded, just over a year ago, in a similar political assassination attempt.
Cite? And even if true very tenuous.
Why did the FBI get involved in fighting the KKK?
There is significant evidence that there is currently an interstate conspiracy to deprive Americans of their civil rights (notably their 1st Amdt rights) through political violence and intimidation. That gives the FBI jurisdiction. AntiFA and it’s allies, for example, who were significantly responsible for the BLM violence of 2020, etc, are externally funded, bussed and flown in, at someone else’s expense (because they typically don’t otherwise work), to protests around the country. This has been extensively documented over the past 5 years.
This political violence served the interests of many Democrats, so they turned a blind eye to it. It helped deliver the White House to their control in 2021. But now we a victim of this sort of political violence sitting in that very same White House, overseeing federal law enforcement agencies. And he has promised to root the ones behind the political violence out, and bring them to Justice.
“This has been extensively documented over the past 5 years.”
Cool story, bro!
So… is it the least shocking news ever that Blackman's post on someone being killed is actually about himself?
It’s a little shocking that he didn’t even bother beginning with a perfunctory paragraph of condolences or even an anecdote about how met Charlie once or something. Literally just went right into CUNY 2018.
There's an old joke: the guy on the date spends the first hour talking about himself. Then finally he stops and says to his date, "But enough about me; let's talk about you. So… what do you think about me?"
You Democrat Supremacists are dangerous and your rhetoric is putting people's lives at risk.
How many more people are going to die because of your sick ideology?
Yawn. Obvious troll is obvious.
You have to call it. The date on this Quarter is 2003, it's been traveling 22 years to get here, and now it's here, it's either Heads or Tails. I can't call it for you.
Anton did not capitalize improper nouns like some third grader (or Francis).
You have to call it, I can't call it for you.
Josh,
Now more than ever conservative's lives are in danger from the threat of Democrat Supremacists. Especially any one who is a public figure and shares opinions or views that Democrat Supremacists have declared verboten.
I will pray for you, but I implore you to take the threat of Democrat Supremacists seriously and to reach out to Eugene about adjusting your policies on this blog to mitigate the risk of more Democrat Supremacist terrorism and violence. Hate-filled Democrat Supremacists like Martinned, Sarcastr0, loki13, and others like David N, LTG, and Malika should not be platformed to gin up murder and violence against conservatives.
Society should give no quarter to Democrat Supremacy and we need a whole of government response to the menace. People's lives are at stake.
Where have a I “ginned up murder and violence against conservatives?” Link the post.
You're a Democrat and you believe your political views are supreme. You are a Democrat Supremacist and every post that's an expression of your vile belief system is a dog whistle to murder to some White or other conservative.
You are causing violence by being an unapologetic, and vocal Democrat Supremacist.
So basically everyone who disagrees with you wants to murder you? If you genuinely believe that you probably need to go to therapy.
His name is Charlie Kirk.
Your name is Charlie Kirk.
No, Democrat Supremacy is a violent ideology and every person who subscribes to it is a potential violent murderer.
You're making me feel unsafe.
“You're making me feel unsafe.”
How?
His name is Charlie Kirk.
Your name is Charlie Kirk.
“I think FedSoc speakers, and other fellow travelers, will need to give more thought to security and safety.“
But fuck everyone else, amiright?
Every conservative needs protection against the threat of violence from Democrat Supremacists.
Every single one. From Democrat Supremacist blacks and their sick knock out games, rapes, and murder of Whites, to Democrat Supremacist teachers and their grooming of our children to mentally ill Democrat Supremacists who demand to be in the wrong sexed locker rooms and bathrooms with our children, to Democrat Supremacists who murder us for praying or for having opinions they don't like.
Every single conversative needs protection from Democrat Supremacists. The government needs to recognize this and do something about it.
I do think the government should do more to protect every single conversative, even if they are all talk.
His name is Charlie Kirk.
“The government needs to recognize this and do something about it.”
Like what?
His name is Charlie Kirk.
Your name is Charlie Kirk.
No wonder LLMs have a hallucination problem: they're trained on that kind of non sequitur.
You are projecting again, and reminding the world that leftist political thought relies on misrepresenting what others say.
I mean it’s a fair inference because 1) Josh only referenced the FedSoc here and 2) he has a noted history of only ever caring about threats to conservatives.
There are several posts where he scoffs at “pizza deliveries” to federal judges who ruled against Trump and contrasts them to threats he considers real that are received by conservative federal judges. He tends to leave out the very notable fact that the pizzas were ordered in the name of Daniel Anderl. Daniel was the son of Judge Esther Salas, an Obama appointee. He was murdered by a man named Roy Den Hollander in an attack on Judge Salas’s home. Hollander was Men’s Rights Activist and documented Trump supporter. He was found with documents indicating he was planning to assassinate Justice Sotomayor.
So he’s scoffing at threats that specifically invoke the name of a murdered kid of a liberal judge.
Indeed, Josh has never once referenced this Esther Salas or Daniel Anderl in any of his numerous posts about threats to (conservative) judges.
I think it is a fair inference from his writings that he simply does not care if prominent liberals are threatened or killed.
It's only fair to the same extent that it's fair to infer that you are a vocal Democrat Supremacist who has ginned up murder and violence against conservatives.
They're actually not to the same extent.
Josh has a documented history of practically going out of his way to not mention Esther Salas in his many many posts about threats to judges. It is a very fair inference that is an intentional omission. I mean, think about it: in his posts where he scoffed at the "pizzas" he didn't link to any story even though he usually does provide links. He didn't link because he didn't want anyone to easily find out whose name was on the pizzas and he wanted to think it was some dumb prank, and not something extremely chilling.
By contrast you actually have no evidence that I have "ginned up murder and violence against conservatives" other than you disagree with my political views.
What’s funny about Mikie is his hypocrisy and selective partisanship. He switches from bemoaning personal attacks to engaging in them with ease (see his replies to Sarcastro for one example) , complaining about trolling but, as here, makes no attempt to engage LTG (who laid out his arguments specifically), etc.,
Do we negotiate with or justify ourselves to the cockroach? No. We needn't not with Democrat Supremacists either.
Charlie Kirk in 2023: "I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights.
That is a prudent deal. It is rational."
Vile and disgusting creature. Why are you even on a libertarian leaning site? Freedom always comes with the risk of abuse. Acknowledging that does not mean open season on you.
I think John Cole is about right on this, see quote below. Charlie Kirk wasn't a particularly good person. But political assassinations (which this probably is) should be condemned. It's possible to hold both thoughts at the same time:
"This is all I am going to say about the murder of Charlie Kirk. You don’t get to spend years cheering on a civil war, doing everything you can to make sure every idiot in the country owns a firearm, cheering on abortion clinic bombers or people murdering people on a subway or being thrilled when cops shoot black men, make jokes about Paul Pelosi getting almost murdered, pardon all the people who stormed the capitol and tried to and successfully beat a couple cops to death, cheer when the kidnapping/murder plot in Michigan is overturned, stay completely silent when a bunch of Minnesota politicians and their fucking dog are murdered, and then act all fucking shocked when some of it hits home.
Charlie Kirk shouldn’t have been murdered. But you all built this fucking system brick by brick. I’ll let someone who gives a shit about Charlie Kirk eulogize him, I have better shit to think about."
Democrat Supremacists like you and John are sick and should not have a seat at the public table.
Muted.
His name is Charlie Kirk.
You know, I'd almost forgotten. Tell me again so it sticks.
His name is Charlie Kirk.
Your name is Charlie Kirk.
He devoted his life to making the country worse in service of his grift. But aside from the very real personal tragedy of a murder, political assassinations virtually never make a country better off. So there are both moral and practical reasons to be horrified here.
Also increasingly horrified at Kash Patel’s general incompetence as he live tweets a series of inept police responses.
So it's OK to murder people you don't agree with? Good to know.
How do you figure? If I thought that was good, I wouldn’t be concerned that the FBI isn’t up to the task of finding the shooter.
By people do you mean Charlie Kirk? That was his name after all.
Can you point to anybody saying it's ok to murder people you don't agree with? That would be a bad thing to say and I am sure we would all condemn it.
What’s his name?
Francis can’t even stick to his sad, weirdo performance act.
So, Charlie Kirk was a horrible guy because he made his living speaking out against your side. But he didn’t deserve to actually die for that. Did I summarize you accurately?
Let's see, 1) Kirk was a bad person. yep. 2) because he made a living speaking out against "my side". No, because of the things he said, including quoting uncritically bible verses calling for the stoning of gay people, 3) He didn't deserve to die for that . Yep! Particularly political assassinations are a bad thing for a republic and shouldn't be acceptable. For all sides.
Now what to do about that last. Trump's theory is to mercilessly crush the left
https://twitter.com/i/status/1800678317030564306
I'd hope there was some other solution, but of course we all know it can't include gun control.
Said like a true Shit Stain.
What’s his name?
Didn't you hear, let me repeat it for you so Frank doesn't have to bother. His name is Charlie Kirk.
Charlie Kirk
Charlie Kirk
Charlie Kirk
(Repeat to the bottom of page, printer)
Hey, I think I figured it out. You actually don't like the guy who got shot and are trying to dull us all into shrugging about it, by constantly repeating it. I'll play too.
Your name is Charlie Kirk.
Your name is Shit Stain
Shit Stain
Shit Stain
Shit Stain
Shit Stain
His name is Charlie Kirk.
An elderly MD vet, folks!
QAnon Shaman Francis Stain.
Look at this Democrat Supremacist Demon celebrating at the moment Kirk was assassinated for his political views.
https://x.com/amuse/status/1966028886459679080
Democrat Supremacy must be eradicated. Everyone who does not share their opinions lives are in mortal danger.
https://x.com/Bubblebathgirl/status/1965996091003797637
Is there anyone surprised what this black is doing?
"Black"?? you going "Woke"??
Manhunt Underway!, every news site this AM.
It's "Personhunt", you sexists!
The Soviets were known for female snipers.
So are the Boomtown Rats
What was the name of the Boomtown Rats? Were any of them named Charlie?
Your name is Shit Stain.
He starts crying rather quickly for an edgelord, doesn’t he?
Your name is Charlie Kirk.
Your name is Shit Stain.
More media self-censorship to placate the right:
https://www.pajiba.com/news/msnbc-fires-analyst-matthew-dowd-for-stating-the-obvious.php
Another dog whistle call for violence. How long will this be tolerated?
His name is Charlie Kirk.
What was his name again? I keep losing track.
His name is Charlie Kirk.
Do you think people will forget? Or are you otherwise speechless?
understand what Frank is doing, and approve.
Excellent. Explain what Frank is doing. To my naive eye what he's attempting to do is use the language of people protesting police killings, e.g. Her name is Breonna Taylor, against perceived leftists, pretending that the situation of an otherwise anonymous woman murdered by incompetent cops is exactly the same as Charles Kirk, a very famous person, being assassinated.
Because this is how the conservative mind works these days. Brood at some meme or slogan of the left and focus really hard on somehow using it against them.
Go for it Frank. Remind us of the name of the person who got killed, who was the subject of a four minute presidential addres and on whose behalf flags will be lowered. Otherwise we might forget.
His name is Charlie Kirk.
I thought it was something different. Tell me again so I get it straight.
Your name is Shit Stain
It’s impressive not only how it makes him break his act but that the 3rd grader “shit stain” is the best he can do.
According to his performed persona here he’s a near elderly vet raised here in the US educated to the MD level who sits here posting “His name is Charlie Kirk!” over and over (when he’s not posting English garbled racism that Bob from Ohio loves) until he’s called out and then starts with….”Your name is Shit Stains.”
We’re talking QAnon levels of crazy here.
Common in MAGA.
It did not take much spinning Martin. Dowd was making excuses for the assassin. MSNBC management is trying to cut its losses while it is sliding downhill.
Poor Dowd, no Job, and even Maria Shriver turned him down.
My thoughts on this thread-
A. Frank Drackman is showing us two things-
1. He saw the movie Fight Club, but he didn't understand it.*
2. He lacks the self-awareness to realize that if you spend several years developing a "shtick" (maybe?) here who trolls for the lulz, no one is going to take your sudden turn to empathy seriously.
*This is my most gracious interpretation.
B. Only Josh Blackman would be so shameless as to immediately post about an ongoing tragedy so quickly in order to make it about himself- and still, somehow, manage to miss the point completely.
C. I am sure we all have our suppositions as to who did this and why. And we can all internally justify it. This morning, I heard from my increasingly radicalized friend who is to the left of me who told me that they figured it out- that the shooter must be someone who went after Kirk because .... Kirk did a 180 on the Epstein files.
I don't know who did it. I hope they find the person soon- regardless of the motive or identity, because that's what we do.
In the meantime, everyone is going to assume that whatever they want to believe that makes their worldview correct is true. I recommend not doing that. Heck, think back to the attempt on Trump. Do you remember that? Not so easy to pin the tail on a simple motivation. Despite what some people are loudly braying about, there is no "organized violence," and there is still a chasm that separates the desperate braying of keyboard commandos ...
from the acts of horror perpetrated by a few deranged individuals.
Again, my heart goes out to the family of Charlie Kirk, and my vitriol is reserved for those like Josh Blackman who seek to capitalize on the tragedy for their own egos.
His name is Charlie Kirk.
I'm impressed. Despite all the your trolling, your causal racist language, and the fact that you're an Auburn fan, I somehow never muted you. But I don't have the time or energy to scroll through scores of the same comment.
Bye, Frank. Hope you find some peace ... or at least a hobby that is more productive than whatever is you do here.
His name is Charlie Kirk.
Is it? Is it really? And what was the middle name?
"Shit Stain" oh wait, that's yours.
Oh Frank, you really are letting the side down. Do try to be a little more clever.
Your name is Shit Stain.
I didn’t think it was possible for Francis to wail more than he does over the black baby holocaust here, but there’s this.
Don't call him Francis. His name is Charlie Kirk.
Charlie Francis?
Thank you for sharing your virtue. Today we will celebrate loki13 The Virtuous and not mourn the loss of an innocent.
It took 2 months to catch James Earl Ray, but he didn't cover his tracks too well. I'm not confident they'll catch this guy.
What guy, Charles Kirk? Is that his name?
His name is Charlie Kirk.
Are you sure it was Charlie Kirk? Did he ever go by Charles?
I don't know, when did you change your name from "Shit Stain"??
and His name is Charlie Kirk.
Ah Frank, now you're getting perjorative. Have I personally insulted you? No I just mock your weird obsessions with endless repetition in pursuit of some obscure point to own the libs.
But again, are we sure it wasn't Charles? Isn't that what his parents calle him?
Your name is Shit Stain
Are you sure? How would you know? Do you have no other response? Are you 12 years old?
So many questions Frank, left unanswered on this thread. But that guy who got shot, what was his name? It escapes me, I am sure you are sad about that, you've answered that concern.
Your name is Shit Stain. His name is Charlie Kirk. And he'll be remembered forever while people only recognize your stench for as long as they are around you.
He’s literally crying! lol
Your name is Charlie Kirk.
Notably Trump is calling this a basis for going after everybody who opposes his administration, calls out killings or attempts at right wing figures, but no mention of Minnesota killings, and calls for flags to go at half mast, something not done for the Minnesota legislators.
So I suppose we should be happy our president is taking this calmly and not as an excuse for further dividing the nation.
https://x.com/i/status/1966021362352283869
After all Charlie Kirk, because that was his name, his name is Charlie Kirk, do you hear me Charlie Kirk, wouldn't have wanted it any other way.
Don't be an ugly violent Democrat Supremacist then you don't have anything to worry about.
According to the president, opposing ICE is sufficient, or being funded by Soros. So I guess we'll see how ugly that makes a person.
As for the theory that if you're not a criminal you have nothing to worry about with respect to your government. Well it's fun to see an erstwhile libertarian blog commentariat show it's true colors.
Well, you can put your own flags at half mast, if you want.
If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge any point!
His name is Charlie Kirk.
You don't think it's a problem that the President of the United States conspicuously ignores political violence against his political opponents that happened three months ago?
He thinks it’s fine.
There is definitely an asymmetry in how the right and the left responds to political violence.
Prominent democrats and liberal media figures condemn every act of violence but get associated with fringe posters on twitter.
Prominent Republicans make jokes and conspiracy theories about prominent liberals who are attacked. And suffer no electoral or social consequences.
In a healthy society, Mike Lee would have been forced out of the Senate for his posts about Melissa Hortman's shooting.
How many businesses are boarding up their storefronts today, LTG?
https://x.com/babybeginner/status/1966064272552906996
Sadly, and not surprisingly, the Bluesky crowd endorses political assassinations.
Nutpicking.
Bernie Sanders and (the) Zoran Ramadan-a-damn-i make personal appearances and nobody has shot them.
What an awful way of describing Zohran Mamdani. Which is his name. So you think it would be fair to shoot them too? In exchange for... damn it I forgot his name.
Your name is Shit Stain, and when he gets shot it'll be by a Bernie Bro.
Well it cheers me to know that if I ever get shot, you will be on the thread memorializing it.
So, now that the fun is nearly over, and you're reduced to scatology, are you willing, at some point, to explain how your clever repetition of Charles' name is making an important political point? Or do we all have to guess?
Your name is Shit Stain.
You know how if you repeat a word often enough it loses meaning? Let's try it here.
Your name is Charlie Kirk
Your name is Shit Stain. His name is Charlie Kirk.
His name is Shit Kirk? Yours is Francis Stain?
@datarepublican nailed it.
The difference between Democrat Supremacists and the Right:
No businesses are boarding up their storefronts today to protect from looting.
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That alone tells you which belief system is morally right and which belief system needs to be eradicated and removed from society.
Is it possible to board yourself up against ICE and the FBI? Trump is pretty clear they're going to be called down on leftist heads.
FBI is improving, it took Director Wray 3 weeks to announce President Trump had been hit by a bullet (that "Crack"(More like smoking Crack) FBI CSI Squad!!!!)
Frink
Oh yeah, his name is Charlie Kirk
Answer my question Frank, if you can. What point do you think you're making?
You'll find out when it's too late.
https://x.com/scrowder/status/1966118431511433267/photo/1
Frank. As we all suspected it is a confirmed Democrat Supremacist.
With an "Assault Mauser"!!!!
Damn, now I want one.
No, not to shoot anyone (except in Legal Self Defense)
and in caliber 30:06, same caliber James Earl Ray used, a little bit too Ironic, even for me.
Frink
I thought his name was Francis Stain?
His name (is (Charlie) (kirk) )
189 years ago my Great Great Great Great Great Great Grandfather Elihu Alphonse Drackman fought alongside Davy Crockett and Jim Bowie at the Alamo. (He also fought with Andrew Jackson and Robert E. Lee, old Elihu couldn't get along with anyone)
His son Elihu Alphonse Drackman Jr. started posting "Remember the Alamo" on the "Bulletin Boards" of the day, actual Bulletin Boards.
Nearly 200 years later people still "Remember the Alamo"(ever been there? much smaller than I imagined)
Grandpa Elihu? not so much.
Oh yeah, His name is Charlie Kirk.
Frank
QAnon Shaman level crazy.
Since apparently there are quite a few Thick Craniums on this thread allow me to retort,
What does Marcellus Wallace Look Like?
Charlie Kirk's "Followers" fly your Airliners, maintain your Airliners, serve you Drinks on your Airliners, they un-fuck your Computer, install your Cable, replace the Distributor on your Mercedes, Take out your Gallbladder, keep you asleep during your Surgery. Drive your Ambulances, take the report when Jar'tavious and his buddies steal your car.Put out the fire you started when you had too many drinks trying to fry that Turkey.
And those are just the Chicks, the Dudes are even tougher.
Now back to our regular programming.
His name is Charlie Kirk.
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