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Donald Trump, Constitutionalism, and the Third Face of Power
How to speak a new constitution into being
Early in my career, I wrote a paper on "constitutional theory and the faces of power." It borrowed from an older concept in political science to reflect on the less examined ways in which constitutions shape and limit political outcomes and constrain the exercise of power. That particular paper did not exactly light the scholarly world on fire, but it reflected a general theme of my work on constitutions.
Constitutional lawyers in particular tend to focus on the countermajoritarian checks -- the veto points -- built into our constitutional system. That is, after all, where constitutional law lives. But those veto points are what might be characterized as only the "first" and most explicit face of power in a political system. There are more subtle but still extremely important ways in which constitutions limit power, and we are getting a lesson in them now. President Donald Trump's latest social media post about Rosie O'Donnell is just the latest example of how he presses on those most subtle -- and ultimately more important -- constitutional constraints.
As political science was remaking itself into its more modern form in the postwar era, the great Yale democratic theorist Robert Dahl pushed scholars of politics to think more carefully about the concept of power. What was it, and how could one know when it was being exercised? Dahl posited a formulation that "A has power over B to the extent that he can get B to do something that B would not otherwise do." Dahl leveraged this idea to launch his long-running battle with a "ruling elite model" of American politics. (Dahl himself eventually came around to conceding some points to his antagonists in that debate.) He denounced a so-called "realistic" view of politics that knowingly asserted that an amorphous "'they' run things: the old families, the bankers, the City Hall machine, or the party boss behind the scene."
Dahl thought the theory's primary appeal was that it was "virtually impossible to disprove." Dahl thought a serious social scientist should be examining hypotheses that could be empirically tested, which meant less focus on vibes and what "everyone knows" and more focus on the observable, and in particular on "concrete decisions" in which the powerful turned aside the expressed preferences of the powerless. This led him to ask influential questions like how often does the Supreme Court strike down important laws that actually matter to powerful political actors anyway -- that is, how powerful is the Court and how would we know? Questions that have helped drive some of my own work.
One response to Dahl and his investigations of who actually exercises power in American society was to complicate the problem of how power was exercised. It was suggested that Dahl was focused only on the "first face power," but that there was a second and then a third face of power that pluralists like Dahl ignored. The "second" face of power hinged on the control of the political agenda by the "mobilization of bias" within the political system. Power could be exercised by preventing issues from ever coming up for decision in the first place.
These "non-decisions" might be harder to observe but they mattered to political outcomes and could prevent the powerless from realizing their own preferences. Such agenda control might be exercised by a legislative committee chair or a lobbyist behind closed doors. It might be exercised by how political parties and coalitions were put together. Dahl's contemporary E.E. Schattschneider argued that "some issues are organized into politics while others are organized out." More recent institutionalist scholarship would point out that such non-decisions might be generated by the design of policymaking institutions. The mere existence of a presidential veto keeps some things off the legislative agenda without the president ever having to make the "concrete decision" of exercising the veto power to reject a bill, for example.
Yet another, "third" face of power contends that powerful actors can shape political values, ideologies, and preferences such that the powerless do not even imagine to make demands that challenge the powerful. In its initial formulation, this "radical" view drew from Marxist theories of false consciousness, a kind of argument that had gained purchase with New Left scholars by the 1970s but that would have gained little traction among the behaviorists of the 1950s like the young Robert Dahl. But one need not be a Marxist fixated on class consciousness to appreciate that an important part of politics, in a broad Aristotelian sense, is the socialization of citizens into the values and commitments of the regime. Civic education is in part an effort to "Americanize" each new generation by inculcating them with decidedly and distinctively American values (or it could be used to socialize schoolchildren into rejecting such values).
What does this have to do with constitutions and Rosie O'Donnell? The late-nineteenth-century Harvard law professor James Bradley Thayer pointed out that "under no system can the power of courts save a people from ruin; our chief protection lies elsewhere." James Madison thought it was contributing to this third face of power that the Bill of Rights would do its real work. He hoped that, "political truths declared in that solemn manner acquire by degrees the character of fundamental maxims of free Government, and as they become incorporated into the national sentiment, counteract the impulses of interest and passion." Years later the Pennsylvania Jacksonian jurist John Gibson continued to be skeptical about the value of judicial review in preserving constitutional liberties. He put his hopes elsewhere. A written constitution, he thought, "is of inestimable value . . . in rendering its principles familiar to the mass of the people; for, after all, there is no effectual guard against legislative usurpation but public opinion, the force of which, in this country, is inconceivably great."
The third face of constitutional power works by making some things unspeakable. Serious people do not even talk about violating constitutional conventions and constitutional norms, and they are disciplined when they do. We keep some things off the table by building up a social consensus that those are not things about which we should organize our political debates, contest our political elections, or put up for a vote in Congress. An important set of constitutional constraints have already been slipped when the unspeakable becomes a topic of political debate and now we have to rely on other, more explicit tools to keep those ideas from coming to fruition and made into public policy. Judicial review is the last resort, not the first, for enforcing constitutional limits on power.
Donald Trump has an extraordinary superpower in his willingness and ability to speak the unspeakable. It is a trait shared by radical reformers of all sorts, and even sometimes by political leaders. Strikingly, it is a trait that Trump uses not only in regard to public policy or social mores but also to constitutional verities. A president willing to assert in public ideas that flagrantly violate existing constitutional assumptions may not have the immediate power to act on those ideas. They are, after all, "unconstitutional" and "beyond the scope of his authority." Or perhaps they are just "jokes" or things "many people are saying."
But in throwing such ideas against the wall, he can reshape the political agenda, launch new political and intellectual movements, and make the unimaginable imaginable. He breaks down an important set of constitutional constraints and forces us to rely less on our small-c constitution and more on our big-c written Constitution and its explicit checks and balances and veto points. And yet the efficacy of those "parchment barriers" itself depends on the more foundational constitutional culture. Trump exercises real power by reshaping that constitutional culture.
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A reminder. Our President is claiming unilateral authority to strip US Citizens of their citizenship because ... he disagrees with them.
Not sure about you, but that's not the government that I grew up with. It's as if the id of the dumbest internet commenter was made manifest and given power, unfettered by the law, and enabled by obsequious bootlicking.
Note this is not the first time he's said this nonsense, it probably won't be the last, and he's been remarkably consistent in obeying the courts for someone who wants to be dictator. He's no worse in that regard than Joe Biden shifting student loan repayment to taxpayers, even after saying he believed it unconstitutional. Obama used prosecutorial discretion to let millions of illegal immigrants remain in the country because they had young illegal immigrant children. Bush Jr started a semi-justified war which he never prosecuted enthusiastically, and a second unjustified war piggybacked on to the law authorizing the first one. Clinton ... Bush .... Reagan ... how far back do you want to go? Adams threw newspaper editors and publishers in jail for the 1798 equivalent of mean tweets, after he had said worse about Jefferson in the campaign and just 7 years after the First Amendment was ratified.
If you truly believe Trump's behavior is the worst and he is the first true real threat to Democracy, then you know nothing.
Note this is not the first time he's said this nonsense, it probably won't be the last, and he's been remarkably consistent in obeying the courts for someone who wants to be dictator.
You might consider rereading Whittington's post. His conclusion is that Trump is trying to exercise real power simply by speaking the unspeakable like this. The attempt to wield power in this way is accomplished when the condemnation for speaking it doesn't come from all directions. Every time someone that supported him makes excuses for him (or even people that oppose his enemies and don't oppose him), like you just did, these things stop being unspeakable. The power to change how some voters think about the Constitution has just been used.
If you truly believe Trump's behavior is the worst and he is the first true real threat to Democracy, then you know nothing.
For the sake of argument, taking all of those instances you mention as being as blatantly and clearly unconstitutional as claiming the unilateral authority to strip a citizen of citizenship, you still have not suggested anything that you would do to stop these threats to democracy.
In order for this to not be just another red herring, you need to accompany saying, "These other Presidents have done things just as bad," with saying, "and here's how we can stop all Presidents from doing these things in the future." Without that second part, you're justifying Trump's abuse of power by saying that previous Presidents have abused their power.
Trump's DOJ deliberately ignored a court order to turn around a plane of deportees.
And most of those deportees (many innocent of nothing except immigration violations) are still sitting in a brutal foreign prison.
Many are not guilty of immigration violations either. The entire point of invoking the AEA and then sending them to CECOT was to enable them to deport people here legally.
There's been no legitimate government for you to grow up with. Transmogrified for over 110 years, the federal government is now being returned to a lesser being, but don't expect it to return to legitimacy in our lifetimes.
Trump is but a small speed bump in the progression of reverting to the age old dictatorship which it has already been doing for 110 years. Principles of the Constitution are only now a poor window dressing, however, we here are better off than those god-damned Limeys.
To save the Union, Lincoln set forth a new proposition called Federalism - the starting call to destroy the Constitution.
My only real hope for the US, honestly, is that some future generation draws the right lessons from its demise, and that we hang on long enough that space gets colonized by a sorta kinda free society, not the ChiComs. Space is the future of mankind, not Earth.
All good things, (All bad things, too, but they're mourned less...) come to an end, and the US had a pretty good run.
Space will not breed freedom, for the simple reason that there is very little private property in an orbital habitat, and oxygen, water, food, and other basic necessities are by definition collective assets.
You're reasoning from the basis of our current technical limitations, which assume that you must get by with the absolute irreducible amount of mass, so can't have any redundancy. So absolutely vital services must be shared.
As mass limitations are cleared away, it becomes possible for families and individuals to have their own redundant life support systems. Desirable, even, because redundancy adds to safety.
Further, the high ratio of infrastructure to population necessary to live outside Earth's biosphere is going to put a high premium on the use of automation, and the end target of automation development is self-replicating technology. Which I'd say we're only a few decades away from now.
So, first groups, then ultimately individuals, will be able to have their own independent economies capable of self-sufficiency.
The main reason to expect liberty in space is that space has what Earth now lacks: A frontier, someplace you can go that's outside the practical reach of existing authority. There's always somewhere further away available to go.
Here on Earth you can only go so far from the authorities before you start getting closer again, and the furthest away you can get isn't far enough. That's why Antarctica, for instance, which is eminently colonizable from a resource standpoint, could be the location of a prosperous society, is essentially empty: The great powers couldn't agree how to split it up, so they decided nobody could have it.
But in space you CAN get far enough that it's not practical to lord it over you, and once we have that self-replicating tech, groups of people will head out into the outer solar system in a colonization binge, and the capacity to leave if you don't like things will lead to the existence of free societies.
IF everything isn't kept tightly locked down from the start, with political commissars all over the place making sure nobody gets any ideas. Which is why it's important that we beat the ChiComs to the punch.
You (and Elon) are entitled to your dream, but that's what it is; a dream.
Your previous comment had the key point.
Step one in emigrating is getting permission to leave. Right now, the level of permissions and approvals required to launch a rocket capable of carrying people is such that only a handful of organizations have gotten it, probably with full time professional staff on the task, and the richest man on earth still finds it to be a significant roadblock.
And that's with lots of kissing up to the bureaucrats. If you walk in and say the reason you want to launch is to escape their hated authority forever, that's not going to help you get their discretionary approval.
So as you mentioned earlier, some kind of demise is necessary for your dream to take place.
Further prediction: Well before any colonizing starts, we'll have EOs, federal statutes, or both that extend US jurisdiction to any colonies started by US citizens. Other countries will do the same.
I think governments would each cheerfully negotiate away regions of space to their rivals, rather than allow a cubic centimeter of terra nullius to exist. As you point out, that's how they behaved with Antarctica.
Antarctica is ecologically contiguous with the rest of the world. And always will be. That more than justifies international supervision of its governance.
That constraint would be absent from extra-terrestrial colonies, so long as no one who went there, or was born there, ever came here. However, if interaction by physical transport is looked for, of course terrestrial governments will require extended authority.
I doubt, however, that even remote progeny of present terrestrials will prove capable to colonize the solar system, let alone interstellar realms beyond. Capacity to install a self-sustaining ecology elsewhere seems a prospect too remote to be taken seriously. Not the slightest part of any such technology exists now, nor any clearly stated hint at how to go about developing it.
By comparison, the attempt to settle Jamestown in the 17th century was ecologically many orders of magnitude simpler. Jamestown remained a death trap for its settlers for decades. Eventually, enforcement of heinous abuses of personal liberty rendered it suitable to host a tyrant class.
But even if that pessimistic analogy proves inapt, any extra-terrestrial result will be repellent and impoverished compared to earth's mature and beautiful but presently over-stressed alternative. That will mean perforce that colonization of extra-terrestrial worlds will not blossom forth in a climate of peace and liberty, but instead follow historical precedents so widely remembered on earth. The precedents would be penal colonies, and hellish refuges for justifiably exiled terrestrial outcasts to domineer each other without constraint.
The great danger of course, would be that such places might come to be mis-regarded as viable alternatives, in process of rude progress toward perfection, and thus useful to justify further degradation of earth by ungoverned opportunists. In short, just the expectations we see promoted among fools presently infatuated with escape from earth.
"Further prediction: Well before any colonizing starts, we'll have EOs, federal statutes, or both that extend US jurisdiction to any colonies started by US citizens. Other countries will do the same."
Sure, but that kind of misses the point, which is that they can assert jurisdiction all they want, but if a colony is a 6 year one way trip away from the central government, they're just shouting into the void.
Further, the high ratio of infrastructure to population necessary to live outside Earth's biosphere is going to put a high premium on the use of automation...
Droid armies to manufacture almost everything, huh?
You don't seem to have any idea what the costs are to live outside of the Earth's biosphere. Getting there is enormously expensive for just a few people at a time.
I was a year old the last time humans were on the Moon. But I don't expect to live to see humans do more than visit it again.
The simple truth is this: However long it takes to have the technology to sustain human life indefinitely in orbit, on the Moon, on Mars, or anywhere else besides Earth, we'd still be far better off using that technology to make this planet a better place to live.
Colonizing any other part of the solar system is never going to be economically viable unless we find resources there that don't exist on Earth or don't exist in sufficient quantities here.
"You don't seem to have any idea what the costs are to live outside of the Earth's biosphere."
On the contrary, I'm an engineer who has been interested in this topic since Apollo. I have a very good idea of what the costs are. You could bankrupt the entire world economy building one O'Neill colony as he envisioned them, at current costs.
My point is that the costs are, predictably, going to drop. Dramatically so.
My point is that the costs are, predictably, going to drop. Dramatically so.
On what time scale are you thinking here? What discoveries and innovations that are entirely speculative now are you counting on for any long term space habitation to be viable?
Launch costs are currently declining due to SpaceX's efforts, and even Starship run as a disposable booster would be a fifth the cost of the Falcon rocket. If SpaceX can get it running fully reusable, the cost to LEO starts to be comparable to priority air freight.
You can analogize this to the settlement of the West in the US: Apollo was Lewis and Clarke. SpaceX's Starship is the Conestoga wagon. But just as the Conestoga wagon led to the train, the increased launch traffic that the Starship will lead to, (By lowering launch costs by maybe 20 fold relative to Falcon!) will make still cheaper, but much more infrastructure intensive, routes to space cost effective. Mass drivers, launch loops, orbital towers and fountains... They're no more speculative than rocketry, you just can't afford them at low traffic levels.
But the key driver will be increasing automation. I really do expect self replicating factories before the end of the century. Sooner if we actively try for them.
https://www.webcargo.co/blog/air-cargo-price-per-kg/
Let me know when you think launching cargo into LEO will drop to below $10/kg. From what I can find, SpaceX is still well above $1000/kg. Which, of course, I notice that you were careful to specify air freight. No one flies cargo through the air when ships, trains, and trucks can get it there when it needs to be there. For those methods, less than $1 per kg is typical from what I'm seeing. (A lot of variation, but for fun, I found a freight estimator. I plugged in 20 pallets of non perishable food of 750 kg each and got quotes between $5000 and $15,000 for going ~1500 miles.)
There. I took more time than I should have bothered with doing some order of magnitude estimates, which is more than you've done to justify your claims.
Not to mention that this is low Earth orbit that SpaceX deals with. That is not what you're talking about, which is human colonists getting far enough away from Earth so as to not be subject to governments here. That is pure fantasy, and you have to know that.
I really do expect self replicating factories before the end of the century.
Boomers are still wondering when they'll see the flying cars they were promised would exist by 2000 back in the 60s. Fusion is just a few decades away, just like they started staying a few decades ago. I'm still wondering when Elon is going to deliver on virtually any of the more extravagant claims he's been making for years.
JasonT20 — Is there any cost too high if our space explorations can expect to find Crypto World, a lost civilization which left a legacy of multi-trillions of prime numbers?
A reminder. Our President is claiming unilateral authority to strip US Citizens of their citizenship because ... he disagrees with them.
Whoa, that's awful
-ly bad lying.
A reminder. That is what adults call a lie. He claimed no such power.
TDS is your thing.
At some point, Democrats will be forced to understand the main purpose of the 2d Amendment.
But, let's hope they forever remain blissfully ignorant.
I think the Prof needs to take one further point into consideration. The bully pulpit power of a President is enhanced if his opponents are perceived as bananas.
In the country of the batshit crazy, the jokester with wacky ideas is King.
In the country of the batshit crazy, the jokester with wacky ideas is King.
You think Newsom needs to go even further with his ridicule of Trump and adopt Mamdani's ideas? Then you'll support him for King?
Way to not understand: In the country of the batshit crazy, the jokester with wacky ideas is comparatively sane, is the point.
But, of course, Trump's opponents are not "perceived as bananas", which makes the whole comment more than a little wishful.
Trump's opponents are perceived as bananas when they're having a good day. On other days, they're pulling fire alarms to interfere with votes in Congress or kneeling in submission to foreign powers or religions.
There's a reason it's called "Trump Derangement", and it's not the reason you're thinking of...
I think you're missing how Democrats come across defending guys getting to participate in women's sports or using the girls' bathroom, to name just one topic.
Trump's opponents are not entirely composed of Democrats. Democrats have certainly overreached, but fighting back against that never required Republican overreaching in response. Republicans simply used to push back on it, and while they did not win all the battles, they won some of them (and gauging from the shift in public opinion on transwomen in women's sports in particular, they would be perfectly capable of winning other battles as well).
The GQP overreaching was a choice. Made, by and large, by people who have an affinity for authoritarianism: Fearful rubes who value security over liberty.
For anyone--right or left--who does not have a weak spot for authoritarianism, it is the overreaching which is the problem, whether perpetrated by Republicans or Democrats. And it is the overreaching which makes MAGAts appear "bananas" to the rest of us.
So, yes, you are partially correct. There are aspects of both US mainstream political parties which appear insane to most other people. However, the party which is currently in power and which almost completely manifests these crazy authoritarian tendencies today is the Trumpublican party.
For anyone--right or left--who does not have a weak spot for authoritarianism
All lefties have a weak spot for authoritarianism - it's in the definition. If you wish to see the brotherhood of man, equal opportunities, help for the poor and sick, and a green, pollution-free land ..... but are willing to leave the achievement of those noble objectives to free association, which is to say, voluntary activity; no nudging, no shoving, no coercion, no labor camps for the kulaks - you are not a leftie.
To be a leftie you have to be in favor of using government power to achieve these ends. To dream is not enough - actual progress in the desired direction must be attempted. Lefties differ of course as to how far they are willing to use coercion and force, and how far they wish to push towards the will o'the wisp end state that is their ideal.
But you can't be a leftie simply by dreamin' and hopin' - you have to be willing to use force.
Which is not to say that you cannot be authoritarian and rightie. You can. But you don't have to be.
It's not that lefties have a monopoly on authoritarianism - it's that force and coercion are indispensible to anyone who insists on a outcome that complies with a specified pattern.
If you wish to see the brotherhood of man, equal opportunities, help for the poor and sick, and a green, pollution-free land...
To be a leftie you have to be in favor of using government power to achieve these ends.
To be in favor of not using any government power to achieve those ends, you have to be in favor of those ends not being met for all people. Probably not even most people. That is to be libertarian, apparently.
Which is not to say that you cannot be authoritarian and rightie. You can. But you don't have to be.
That's because you're defining "rightie" to include libertarians and probably even anarcho-capitalists that truly might refuse to use government to achieve any of their desires for society. My experience is that most self-professed libertarians reject the left-right axis entirely and won't place themselves on it. So, I am going to do like most people and assume that "right" means conservatives and those that go even further than that, just like you probably consider "left" to mean all Democrats, progressives, etc. and those that go further into socialism or beyond.
Conservatives and other right-wing ideologies always require the use of government power, just as you say the left does.
They require government to enforce cultural conformity (which culture? Theirs.) Btw, the boundary between enforcing cultural conformity and just giving preferences and privileges to those in the dominant culture isn't fuzzy, it is non-existent in practice.
They require the government to be "tough on crime" as a priority that competes with basic civil liberties. A competition where being tough on crime often wins for those on the right.
They require government to maintain a strong military to have "peace through strength". Whether or not that means intervening well beyond our borders is a separate question. Either way, they want to be sure that a sizeable chunk of our taxes and GDP is spent making our military "strong" to some definition of strength that they have in mind.
Overlapping with cultural conformity is how they want the government to enforce their ideas of moral behavior through law. Bans of pornography, sex work, and other laws relating to sexuality, or, in the last decade or so, gender, come almost entirely from the right. At least, the arguments against those things coming from the right center on the fundamentally "immoral" nature of those things, with any concerns for women or children being exploited secondary to that.
It is right there in the name of the ideology: conservative. The overarching goal is to maintain (conserve) existing societal hierarchies and power structures as they are. Or, even better, as they were in some idealized past.
No political ideology other than true anarchy is going to be devoid of a desire to have government exercise power over people to achieve many of its goals.
"How to speak a new constitution into being"
Just be a Supreme Court justice. I give you ... the Sixth Amendment:
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Sure seems like all criminal prosecutions should get a jury trial, right? Ignoring plea deals, of course.
Then came this abomination:
So easy to amend the Constitution on the fly!
Welcome to what Sarcastr0 dismisses as "Brettlaw", but I just call "being able to parse English sentences".
Wikipedia says the Supremes came up with that "petty offense exception" based on some English common law. I have my doubts, since it took 177 years to "discover" it after the Bill of Rights was adopted. But it does go right along with not understanding "shall not be infringed".
Wikipedia says the Supremes came up with that "petty offense exception" based on some English common law.
I thought that was the kind of thing that originalists are supposed to do?
I mean, if Dobbs can go back to 13th century England for guidance, what is so wrong with this?
Bellmore — Not everyone is incapable to parse pre-founding-era English sentences, but you are so incapable to do it you do not even recognize it as a challenge. Worse, your response to anyone who points that out is incredulity. You cannot even distinguish a query about the past from a presumption about the present. That perplexity freezes your historical ignorance in place, and makes it impervious.
Originalism is a method far harder than you suppose, and doomed to remain almost entirely unavailing, except as a means to debunk present-minded nonsense. It is easy to show that any particular past knew nothing about some modern political hot topic. It is far harder to structure a query to deliver accurate inferences about what did happen during events which did not survive, and could not have survived, because no one at the time they occurred was capable to understand them, let alone characterize them accurately, and then commit that character in some form to a durable artifact which happenstance permitted to exist today.
Even if you find what you suspect to be such an artifact, you confront the initial challenge to explain it. You must first recognize that its present significance and character could not have any connection to anything which its creators could have been aware of. What you see in the here and now lay entirely in their unknowable future.
And then to justify any originalist presumption, you must interpret that artifact in terms of which that bygone age was aware. What persuades you that you are aware of those now-forgotten terms?
Confronted with that, your confidence in, "being able to parse English sentences," does not even slightly answer the challenge. All it says is that you are confident that something you think you know about the present must be alike with what happened in the past, a proposition which is literally impossible.
So it only takes five people to amend the Constitution?
Yes, proven time and again.
Some people are still under the impression it takes two-thirds of the House and Senate and three-fourths of the states to make the Second Amendment a dead letter.
Oh, right, because it's still honored in all those states and cities which don't understand "infringe".
Not honored, so much, but those states and cities would be hellaciously more successful at suppressing exercise of that right if the public didn't think it was a real right, and its presence in the Bill of Rights assures that much.
As it is, even the most anti-gun jurisdictions have only limited success at suppressing gun ownership, and find all their laws being routinely violated, not just by professional criminals, but also people who are ordinarily law abiding. Because those people recognize that the laws they're violating lack legitimacy.
Bellmore — On what basis does the law recognize as law-abiding the law breaking you seek to condone?
On the basis of the damned 2nd amendment, which is part of the highest law of the land, and remains such even if you don't like it.
Even if the Supreme court doesn't like it!
So long as that amendment is in the Bill of Rights, Americans will understand that gun control laws are illegitimate, and will continue to violate them with a clean conscience, in such numbers as to make enforcement impractical.
Bellmore — If you write a comment, and find it incoherent, does that trouble you to suppose it might also be unpersuasive?
SGT, I am a victim of this doctrine. Are you doing any work to overturn it? - jsm
SGT, that quotation from the 1968 case is even more ominous than you are pointing out:
whether it is a serious one subject to the mandates of the Sixth Amendment.
They didn't say jury trial, they said Sixth Amendment, which includes a lot of other stuff. Have they left the door open to take away the right to know the charges, to call witnesses of your own, or to question the witnesses against you?
Have there been any rulings on consecutive sentences? If you take it literally, they could convict you of 200 counts of unnamed charges, no discussion except the officer said "he commited crimes I don't care to name", six months each to be served consecutively.
Maybe some lawyer here can reassure us....
"Have there been any rulings on consecutive sentences?"
Yeah, Lewis v United States:
"Held:
1. A defendant who is prosecuted in a single proceeding for multiple petty offenses does not have a Sixth Amendment right to a jury trial where the aggregate prison term authorized for the offenses exceeds six months. The right to a jury trial is reserved for defendants accused of serious offenses and does not extend to petty offenses. Duncan v. Louisiana, 391 U. S. 145, 159. The most relevant criterion with which to assess the seriousness of an offense is the legislature's judgment of the offense's character, primarily as expressed in the maximum authorized prison term. An offense carrying a maximum term of six months or less is presumed petty, unless the legislature has authorized additional statutory penalties so severe as to indicate that it considered the offense serious. E.g., Blanton v. North Las Vegas, 489 U. S. 538, 543. Here, by setting the maximum prison term at six months, Congress categorized the offense of obstructing the mail as petty. The fact that petitioner was charged with two counts of a petty offense, and therefore faced an aggregate potential prison term greater than six months, does not change Congress' judgment of the particular offense's gravity, nor does it transform the petty offense into a serious one, to which the jury-trial right would apply."
As I've said before, the Constitution, in TWO separate places, not just one, states that the right to a jury trial attaches to ALL criminal prosecutions. "All" is not an ambiguous word.
The court should be ashamed.
Keith has no interest in maintaining a shred of credibility. We just lived through an administration that fired people from their jobs for not following their dictates, debanked individuals and entities of the political opposition, and all while God knows which unelected and unaccountable White House staffer was running the autopen when Joe Biden was napping.
Then Whittington, with a straight face and completely taking himself seriously, pens an argument that trolling Rosie O'Donnell "can make the unimaginable imaginable."
Keith Whittington is either a charlatan or willfully ignorant that the unimaginable was already taking place from 2021 to 2024.
My favorite whatabouting is that of the completely fictional variety.
Your favorite whatabouting is the next thought that flies from between your ears.
You engage in so much of it, after all.
For a long time, the left tried to portray Rs like W, McCain, and Romney as beyond the pale (and all three of them lacked the courage to really fight back). Donald Trump was the result. Congratulations.
“The left called us out for being shitty, so we went even shittier!”
Flex, king.
Trump got 49.8% of the popular vote in 2024, which wasn't a majority of voters, but because those voters lived in states which mattered, it was more than enough to see Trump win the Electoral College, fair and square.
But you want to blame "the left" for what those voters did. I will not excuse them--they knew what they were doing and they are fully responsible for whatever Trump does in office.
"Trump got 49.8% of the popular vote in 2024, which wasn't a majority of voters, but because those voters lived in states which mattered, it was more than enough to see Trump win the Electoral College, fair and square."
The fact that Harris got LESS THAN 49.8% of the popular vote played a role there, too...
I'm not sure what point you're making.
If Harris had also got 49.8% of the popular vote, I assume Trump would have still won the Electoral College. Maybe I'm wrong?
In any case, my comment was about Hector's attempt to blame "the left" for Trump's victory. I suppose there could have been members of "the left" which declined to support Harris in 2024 over her insufficiently robust stance on Israel's repression of Palestinians, but "the left" otherwise did everything it could to defeat Trump--apart from being more numerous voters.
I used to work with a guy who was so upset that W had been elected that he vowed to renounce his US citizenship (we both lived in London at the time). I doubt he ever followed through on his threat, but I sometimes wonder what his response was to Trump's election--and then re-election. No matter how bad things seem to be, they can always get worse...
(Now that I'm reminded of this, I'm going to check the Federal Register to see if his name is on the "former US citizens" list of shame.)
The real problem is that unpopular constitutional doctrines tend to simply disappear. The courts could, for example, have dealt with the conflict between the Legal Tender Clause and the exigencies of needing credit to finance a war by saying that the war power gives Congress power to issue notes during wartime payable in specie at some future time after a war ends but it cannot make them legal tender indefinitely.
The Commerce Clause, a meaningful role for the Electoral college, and much else have all been written out of the Constitution. Why can’t things we currently believe essential be written out as well?
As an example, the Court has said that there is a single uniform way of doing all federal elections. Well, senators are currently elected by Electors just like presidents. It’s just that constitution specifies who the electors will be. The electors happen to be the voting public. But if being an elector conveys no right to actually make any decision or have any say in the matter - electors are simply ceremonial officials who ceremonially go through a ritual of voting for the candidate they are told to vote for and can be imprisoned if they do not - then nothing in the Constitution gives the citizenry any actual say in who their senators are . The only public participation guaranteed is participation in the same empty formal ritual that the Electoral College engages in when voting for President. Who to vote for can constitutuonally be decided elsewhere.
Such an outcome would not only be completely consistent with current precedent, it would be REQUIRED by it if the idea that there is a single uniform method for conducting federal elections is a serious one. The same reasoning that made the participation of the electoral college meaningless could equally well be applied to the citizenry acting as electors. If words like ballot, vote, elector, election, etc. convey only ceremony, not a power to choose, then nothing protects the citizenry from having their electoral role similarly ceremonialized with the real decisions about who will hold office made elsewhere.
We keep some things off the table by building up a social consensus that those are not things about which we should organize our political debates, contest our political elections, or put up for a vote in Congress.
Yeah. Try arguing that to outlaw political spending by per-share voting corporations would bulwark expressive political influence for natural persons. Seems to me like fundamentalist expressive freedom support.
But pro-corporatist commenters have that issue bottled up. They excoriate that kind of advocacy as opposition to the 1A. Not many commenters seem willing to suffer those attacks. I think corporatists succeeded to get that issue pretty tightly confined in an Overton window, much to the detriment of the nation's politics.