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The ABA Disregards Law School Objections, Mandates 12 Credits of Experiential Learning
There is absolutely no evidence showing that the ABA's dictates are effective.
The American Bar Association's Council of the Section on Legal Education is moving forward with a new standard that would require twelve credits of experiential learning for graduation. An earlier version of this proposal was already widely opposed by law school deans. But the ABA only made small modifications to the program. There will now be a forty-five day comment period. But we can see the writing on the wall.
There are many problems with the ABA's approach to accreditation. But perhaps the biggest problem is that the Council adopts standards without any proof these standards will accomplish their stated goal. The ABA demands that law schools demonstrate that they are satisfying certain objectives, but the ABA never imposes such mandates internally.
Dan Rodriguez of Northwestern stated, correctly, that there is no evidence showing these reforms will be effective:
But Northwestern Pritzker School of Law professor Daniel Rodriguez said the revisions are unlikely to win over critics like himself who believe the ABA is going too far in dictating curriculum without providing adequate data to justify the proposed changes.
"There is a conspicuous lack of what we might call evidence-based analysis in the council's work," Rodriguez said.
Brian Leiter of Chicago makes the point more forcefully:
The latter gives law schools an opportunity to organize in opposition to these indefensible changes. Some possibilities: (1) a collective refusal by dozens of law schools to comply with these requirements that will disrupt their programs of legal education without any evidence of their benefit--let's dare the ABA to start stripping accreditation from elite law schools, state flagships, etc. (2) a collective effort to lobby the Education Department to recognize other accreditors of law schools, and perhaps to strip the ABA of its accreditation role entirely given its repeated bad behavior.
Even Gerard Magliocca, one of the most mild-mannered people I've ever met, is outraged:
The decision of the Council on Legal Education on new experiential learning requirements for law schools, summarized here, is just more evidence that the ABA's accreditation role should be curtailed or eliminated. I've been a legal educator for nearly 25 years. I can't think of any positive contribution by that organization in this field.
I couldn't agree more. I remain convinced the ABA's accreditation role is substantially modified, if not eliminated, within a decade. And that wound will be entirely self-inflicted.
I have written at length about the problems with the ABA's accreditation role. The Supreme Courts of Florida, Texas, and Ohio are now reconsidering whether to require ABA accreditation in their states. I think other states will follow. Moreover, the Trump Administration is closely scrutinizing the ABA's DEI mandates. The ABA is under siege.
You would think that the ABA would realize what time it is, and shore up their support from the political left. No. They did the exact opposite. They raised a large middle finger to elite law schools whose students have no need or interest in twelve hours of experiential learning.
Maybe there is a Baptist and Bootlegger coalition to be hand with the right and left. I'll let you decide who are the Baptists and who are the Bootleggers.
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"elite law schools whose students have no need or interest in twelve hours of experiential learning"
Clinics are great, I took all I was allowed. Good experience for my first job, in fact the only thing that was useful in said first job.
Poor elite law schools, I cry for them. And their entitled students.
I did that too.
Also, I attended one of those elite law schools so I'm not sure where that "no need or interest" idea came from.
"I'm not sure where that "no need or interest" idea came from."
The students who don't want twelve hours of experiential learning. The ABA requirement is not directed at people who enroll in clinics.
“Clinics are great, I took all I was allowed. Good experience for my first job, in fact the only thing that was useful in said first job.”
I completely agree.
The ABA is hopelessly corrupt.
Ostensibly, the objection here is to a purported lack of empirical data to supporting pedagogical change.
But let's be real. Law school graduation requirements haven't meaningfully changed in decades despite radical changes in the needs of employers. Experiential training--we used to call them "clinicals"--are extremely helpful in my view. Law review membership is often a proxy for smarts, but the real world preparation value is lower than clinical work.
If they are "extremely helpful", it should be very easy to demonstrate that. The ABA's inability to do so suggests that that's not true. At the very least, it's not universally true.
Assuming inability doesn’t seem supported.
Does the ABA have a requirement to do that?
Maybe they talked to a buncha lawyers about what they thought would be nice to have.
Not my favorite policy-making method but hardly illegitimate.
Why not eliminate the third year of law school and send students out in the world to get real experience. Nobody ever learned a damn thing in the third year that wouldn't have been better learned in practice.
It's a pure waste of time and money. All it does is keep students from competing with lawyers already in the guild and to give law schools another year of revenue.
Of course, it's contrary to the interests of both the ABA and the law schools, so it will never happen.
“Nobody ever learned a damn thing in the third year that wouldn't have been better learned in practice.”
And sometimes not even that. Lots of esoteric topics 3L— time that would indeed have been better spent in a more practical setting, one would think. On the other hand it wasn’t a total waste— admiralty was fun and for a while I knew the difference between flotsam and jetsam.
"Why not eliminate the third year of law school and send students out in the world to get real experience. Nobody ever learned a damn thing in the third year that wouldn't have been better learned in practice."
Amen. During my third year in law school, I had a part-time job with a firm. Learned more doing that than I did in classes.
3L year is for job hunting, and clinic/moot court/law review management.
If that expectation were normalized and made transparent, that'd go a long way towards making 3L more useful.
I suspect that the real issue for law schools is the cost. Many schools likely do not offer enough clinics to provide 12 credit hours to each student. Schools will need to hire additional (or different) instructors to run the clinics and develop a pipeline of projects for students to work on -- both of which are an additional expense in a time period of decreasing education budgets.
Another issue is what are these 12 credit hours replacing. I've forgotten how law schools do credit hours but I think that it takes 90 credit hours to graduate.
I suggest that all Criminal Law students spend half a day sitting in the back of traffic court. It is run in accordance with the Rules of Criminal Procedures. They will see nothing they have learned in class. Nothing they see will have been covered in class. They will watch the government make $10000 an hour, and people thanking the judge, grateful to avoid points.