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First Amendment Claim Over Muting of Parent's Comments at School Board Meeting Can Go Forward
More from today's long decision by Judge Eric Melgren (D. Kan.) in Schmidt v. Huff (and read this post for the analysis of a separate First Amendment claim that Schmidt also brought):
Plaintiff Carrie Schmidt is the mother of two students who attend Gardner-Edgerton High School…. In 2022, Plaintiff started to speak at [school district] meetings, reading aloud to the Board words, phrases, and descriptions contained in the District's educational curriculum and library.
On May 4, 2023, Plaintiff became a member of the District Educational Services Advisory Committee. The Committee investigates and reviews the District curriculum, instruction, and assessment topics, and it also examines the accreditation process, progress, curriculum standards, and federal programs. The Committee makes recommendations to the School Board and Superintendent Brian Huff about these matters….
At an August 2024 District school board meeting, Plaintiff was the only individual signed up to speak. Immediately after Board President Tom Reddin announced that it was time for "hearing and requests and suggestions" from the public, Defendant Gregg Chapman, a Board Member, interjected, asking Reddin if he could speak first. As Plaintiff was walking up to the microphone, Defendant Chapman started his pre-written speech. He said the following:
I assume I know what the speaker is going to talk about …. Ms. Schmidt has made all kinds of allegations about our district and board of education…. She also has a misunderstanding of library books which are for enjoyment versus instructional materials, assigned books/materials…. It is entirely disingenuous to almost single-handedly bog down a transparent system with up to fourteen years' worth of reviews and then shout from the podium that we are taking too long and not doing anything about it….
I used to believe in the power of one voice, but this process has made it clear that one voice without understanding or discernment can cause more damage to a noble cause than an individual who just wants the issue resolved and working alongside the team.
It seems like she just gets pleasure from reading books with questionable content to this audience where there are minors listening. it just feels like she wants the shock attention that is caused by reading the out of context sexual clips to the minors and adults in the audience…. [H]ow it's being handled is costing this community valuable time, effort and unfortunately valuable people who didn't cause the issue but have been drug through the mud by this continued and disingenuous rhetoric.
Members of the public who wish to speak during the "hearing and requests and suggestions" phase of the meeting are only allowed three minutes. Plaintiff had already prepared a three-minute speech that day, but after hearing Chapman's five-minute speech, she asked if she could respond. Chapman replied, "nope, you get your minutes." Thus, Plaintiff gave her pre- prepared three-minute speech. Like her speeches at previous Board Meetings, the content contained the language used in the books available at the District's library. Half-way through her speech, Reddin interrupted Plaintiff stating, "for anybody who has kids at home watching this, please pause it for a minute while she puts on her performance." The District added 15 seconds to Plaintiff's speech time for this interruption. However, throughout the duration of Plaintiff's speech, her microphone was muted until approximately the last 20 seconds of her speech.
Afterwards, Plaintiff approached Assistant Superintendent Ben Boothe and asked to repeat her speech so that viewers watching from home could hear it. Boothe denied the request, informing Plaintiff that the volume on the District's YouTube page would be increased and that viewers could instead read her remarks through closed captions. However, the District's YouTube page did not display closed captions for the portions of Plaintiff's speech during which the microphone had been muted.
The court rejected Schmidt's claim as to Chapman's critical remarks about her:
Defendant Chapman claims he is entitled to qualified immunity because his statements at the School Board Meeting constituted protected speech under the First Amendment and did not violate any clearly established constitutional right….
Plaintiff suffered no penalties for speaking at the board meeting such as a threat of violence, jail time, or a monetary fine. Instead, she claims that when Chapman accused her of getting "pleasure from reading books with questionable content to … minors listening," she suffered slander, shame, and ridicule. If Chapman's statements only served to damage Plaintiff's reputation, then they are insufficient to establish an injury within the meaning of a First Amendment retaliation claim. As such, Chapman did not unconstitutionally retaliate against Plaintiff, and so the Court dismisses this claim against him….
But it allowed her claim over the allegedly viewpoint-based muting of the microphone to go forward:
Plaintiff claims that she was targeted by Chapman for reading parts of books contained in the District's curriculum, when others were not. Specifically, she names Erika Sheets, and other individuals associated with the activist group, Moms for Liberty, who have brought complaints before the Board without facing similar treatment. Plaintiff claims that she alone had her microphone muted during her speech, was denied the chance to repeat it after the Board restored her microphone, her speech was not closed-captioned on the Board's YouTube channel, and others were not subjected to similar targeted opposition without an opportunity to respond before giving their prepared remarks.
Moreover, Plaintiff claims that Chapman's comments and subsequent actions towards her clearly show that he was targeting her based on his opposition to her viewpoint. For example, Chapman prefaced his remarks with the assumption that he knew what Plaintiff would be talking about before characterizing her criticisms as being "entirely disingenuous," "without understanding or discernment," and "damag[ing]." Additionally, Chapman trivialized Plaintiff's concerns about the Board's book review process by accusing Plaintiff of getting "pleasure from reading books with questionable content to this audience where there are minors listening" and seeking the "shock attention that is caused by reading the out of context sexual clips to the minors and adults in the audience." Plaintiff claims that the proximity between Chapman's remarks and the subsequent silencing she experienced establishes that her opinion or perspective was the rationale for the restriction.
Taking the facts in Plaintiff's Complaint as true, the Court agrees that Chapman engaged in viewpoint discrimination against Plaintiff. Although Plaintiff was still able to speak for three minutes, her speech was rendered ineffective because it could not be heard by viewers. Plaintiff's microphone was muted, and closed captioning was unavailable on the District's YouTube page. Moreover, Chapman's remarks demonstrate that he disagreed with Plaintiff's views and, likely due to those views, he subjected Plaintiff to less favorable treatment than other speakers….
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I just quickly looked her up because I suspect something, and of course it was true. This is the same person as the prior post (as indicated at the top of this post).
Carrie Schmidt (of Kansas) is part of the Moms for Liberty Group. They are ... well, based on my personal experience of the utter batshit insane stuff they pulled in my area, the absolute worst of the worst people.
It's a national organization that gets a few local crazies to front for them, and then proceeds to do everything in their power to disrupt and destroy the local school system. They will keep pushing until the local fronts wise up or until the school system finally has enough and does something stupid out of sheer exasperation (like here).
There is a special place in hell for these people. Because it's not actually about the school. Or about their kids (do you want to be known in high school as the child of the batshit crazy parent pulling this stuff?). It's about something that has gone terribly wrong in their own lives, and a hole inside of them that they need to fill- and a national organization ready to exploit them.
They make this country worse. I'm not commenting on the legal merits, by the way. But I hope there is a particularly warm place in hell reserved this person.
Maybe, just maybe, the public schools really are as corrupted by woke as even the friendly media make them out to be.
Maybe, just maybe, schools which don't listen to parents should be pushed and pushed until they change or self-destruct.
Maybe, just maybe, that special place in hell is better reserved for "public servants" who think they are the masters and the taxpayers should just shut up and sit down.
corrupted by woke???
Depicting gay people as normal is corrupt?
Do you want them to be burned at the stake, or maybe just imprisoned?
And schools certainly should listen to parents. But listening != taking orders from. Bigots and crackpots shouldn't control the schools.
You aren't any good at pretending to be so naive and innocent.
You understand that if free speech is to mean anything, it is to allow 'the absolute worst of the worst people' to speak, yes?
So what are you on about, other than to rail against her?
I disagree that a right of free expression—whether by speech or by publication—is intended to protect the public expressions of the worst people. That is merely an unfortunate side effect, which the nation must live with to prevent the undoubted evil of government deciding what expressions are worthwhile, and what not. Preventing government censorship is a proper purpose of the 1A.
But no one should say or imply that the worst expressions are immune from being called out for their quality, or for inappropriate motives which the content of those expressions may reasonably imply.
I also think the 1A ought not be interpreted to prevent government counter-speech, so long as any speaker is afforded a right of personal privilege to reply to what a member of government may say. That right is typically afforded in the rules of public procedure used in public forums across the nation. Speakers both good and bad ought to claim its privilege to extend debate, whenever they suppose more speech is an appropriate response to bad speech attributed personally to them.
As for the tactic which gave rise to the OP, and to the Court's response, it is shameful, and deserves rebuke. One of the most important functions of a library is to make available to the public the contents of books, for private reading and review. That includes books which many may think embarrassing or offensive. No one should suppose that to read a book must entail the possibility of being called out in public for its content.
It sounds like you know her well. Tell us what she's like in person. Did she kick your dog? Put a flaming poo bag on your front porch?
Everybody has their opinion.
Since we're sharing, I personally think that Loki is a terrible person who makes the country worse, and for whom there is a special place in hell.
Wow, the replies to loki.
Just this again:
Sarcastr0, bluntly: If it's something you shouldn't be reading aloud at a school board meeting, it's something you shouldn't be teaching to children or leaving lying about in an elementary school library.
One of my mother's pet phrases when she was upset with fools was, "Some people ought be just taken out and shot." We grew up with it and never once took her seriously, and I believe made fun of it a few times, which always made her laugh. She never would have said it in public. The one time I can tie it to any specific incident was when some officious cop wrote her a ticket for driving the wrong way because her car was parked in front of our house, off the road, but on the wrong side of the street. This was a rural area, no center line markers, no shoulder markings, no sidewalks, and probably half the cars nearby were similarly parked on the wrong side of the road.
The point is, I do not understand how so many public officials can so blithely ignore the most basic principles of free speech and fair play. The arrogance it implies is astounding, the attitude that they control everything and the public just doesn't matter. We used to joke at one startup when answering phone calls from early adopters how much better our jobs would be if it just weren't for customers. These clowns all act like it's the truth, how they wish the taxpayers would all just leave them alone.
Just to be clear: It seems like they muted her microphone for purposes of the broadcast, but allowed her to speak in the actual chamber for the full three minutes. So she got to say her peace to the board, but she claims First Amendment violation for the board effectively deciding not the publish her speech on a government-run You Tube channel? That's insane.
The board can decide not to run a YouTube channel, or not to publish public hearings on its channel. But if it has a YouTube channel where it publishes public hearings, it can't discriminate based on viewpoints, and decide to publish some comments but not others. That is a clear as day 1st amendment violation. What's insane is that don't understand this basic principle.
"That's insane."
Its still content based censorship.
It's *not* insane. She is (as has been noted) an awful person. But we don't give free speech only to non-assholes. I think she should likely win. Probably get a few dollars in damages. And a bucketload in legal fees. And should not be muted in the future.
Again; she is awful. So what?
It sounds like you know her just as well as Loki. Were you at the school board meeting? Did she put a banana in your tailpipe? Tell you a yo' mama joke?
She's awful for reading books that are available in the kids' library during a time for the public to share their concerns?
Is it awful because you think only a man should read children's books while dressed as a woman?
You guys sure love to hate.
loki just let his "last reasonable man" mask drop. Sad
Libs here wanting to beat a woman or send her to hell for taking some pictures and talking at a school board meeting
You don't think the "last reasonable man" mask dropped when he spent about two months pasting random insults into the reply box on people's comments?
Always love how a work available in the Screw-el Library is too obscene to read at a Screw-el Board meeting