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Are Students Engaged in Performative Virtue Signaling?
Interesting results from a survey of undergraduates at two universities.
Northwestern University researchers Forest Romm and Kevin Waldman report in an op-ed on the results of a series of interviews they conducted with undergraduates.
Between 2023 and 2025, we conducted 1,452 confidential interviews with undergraduates at Northwestern University and the University of Michigan. We were not studying politics — we were studying development. Our question was clinical, not political: "What happens to identity formation when belief is replaced by adherence to orthodoxy?"
We asked: Have you ever pretended to hold more progressive views than you truly endorse to succeed socially or academically? An astounding 88 percent said yes.
These students were not cynical, but adaptive. In a campus environment where grades, leadership, and peer belonging often hinge on fluency in performative morality, young adults quickly learn to rehearse what is safe.
The result is not conviction but compliance. And beneath that compliance, something vital is lost.
Interview respondents noted the effect across a range of issues:
Seventy-eight percent of students told us they self-censor on their beliefs surrounding gender identity; 72 percent on politics; 68 percent on family values. More than 80 percent said they had submitted classwork that misrepresented their views in order to align with professors. For many, this has become second nature — an instinct for academic and professional self-preservation.
The authors' research suggests that on some issues, such as the nature of gender and gender identity, students' actual beliefs are quite different from what appears to be the prevailing orthodoxy on campus.
They write further:
Authenticity, once considered a psychological good, has become a social liability. And this fragmentation doesn't end at the classroom door. Seventy-three percent of students reported mistrust in conversations about these values with close friends. Nearly half said they routinely conceal beliefs in intimate relationships for fear of ideological fallout. This is not simply peer pressure — it is identity regulation at scale, and it is being institutionalized.
Universities often justify these dynamics in the name of inclusion. But inclusion that demands dishonesty is not ensuring psychological safety — it is sanctioning self-abandonment. In attempting to engineer moral unity, higher education has mistaken consensus for growth and compliance for care.
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By and large, based on what I've seen (so I cede to studies saying otherwise) I don't think seeking authenticity among undergraduates is going to be a very fruitful endeavor.
Not a strong self-image yet, and lots of other priorities, many of them relying on performance of one sort or another.
I came here just to verify my theory that you would defend, rather than lament, the surrender of one's soul.
You did not disappoint.
Bwaaah : "You did not disappoint."
Three Things:
1. Nor did you, Bwaaah. I regularly enjoy watching Sarcastr0 make some sensible, rational, moderate point and then seeing the legion of his fans turn-out to bitch, moan, and caterwaul about it. Light turnout today, but playing the role of cliche-personified is Bwaaah.
2. Let's take the survey discussed above and imagine a few edits. Suppose it was a minority saying they adjusted their public persona to better fit in. I bet rightwing-world would treat the news with a shrug at best - outright contempt more likely. Yet in this case, I see many members of today's Right - the Permanent Victimhood Party™ - have turned-out to bewail their oppression.
(One of the many reasons I could never be a rightwinger is I find victimhood boring. They, on the other hand, are addicted to it worse than the most degenerate crackhead)
3. And none of this is new. While at university in the late-Seventies, the Gay Student org ran the most perfect protest I've ever seen. They put up posters across campus saying on Day X we could all show our support for Gay Rights by wearing jeans. Needless to say, denimwear was then ubiquitous on campus grounds, but a handful of posters scrubbed the entire school clean of jeans. People could have easily ignored it as I did (having nothing else clean), but the need to conform was too great.
Which was the whole point of this clever stunt. Because it was the Gays who had to adjust minute details of their day-to-day life out of fear and from necessity to conform. And this was in ways much more elemental (and less nebulous) than in the OP above.
I grew up in a conservative area with most family and friends leaning Right. Did I ever make adjustments to conform? Of course I did. So fucking what?
To be fair, I lacked the pithiness of bernard:
"People conform, especially teenagers and those in their early twenties.
Remarkable finding."
That's an efficient evisceration I could not manage.
Hell, I visited my niece two weeks ago. She and her husband are fairly conservative. Did I make adjustments and/or show restraint to conform? Yes.
If it didn't run counter to my nature, I'd be feeling the thrill of victimhood right now (as a rightwinger does every hour of every one of his days).
I still have a lot of back & forth with my ex-wife and we often get together and do things. Her interest / focus on politics has always been paper-thin, even in her own native Germany where she holds citizenship. U.S. politics she's always viewed with a detached amusement and something approaching contempt. Nonetheless, the Wall Street Journal editorial has her now occasionally spouting rightwing memes. Did I ever make adjustments and/or show restraint to let this slide by? Yes
Maybe I'm a victim after all!
"I visited my niece two weeks ago. She and her husband are fairly conservative. Did I make adjustments and/or show restraint to conform? Yes."
Interesting that you analogize attending a university to visiting a home were the hosts have specific political views.
TwelveInchPianist : "Interesting that you.... (etc)"
Interesting that you pretend not to see the obvious just to cuddle and nurture your precious (read "pathetic") victimhood. The only people who insist on drawing clear didactic distinctions to every political issue they encounter are extremists and bores. Everyone else regularly lets them slide by with a tepid or noncommittal response at best. And as several people point out below, that's equally true of people on the Left as well as the Right. Hell, it's also true of many a nonpolitical issues as well, such as music taste or sports. That someone "discovered" this phenomena that you (whiny snowflake butt-hurt rightwingers) are "appalled" by is an absolute joke.
Of course, joke or not, you MAGA-types clutch it to your chest with all the fierce devotion of a small girl embracing her favorite Barbie. And that's just more joke still. As I note above, I grew up in a very conservative area. When I see querulous sniveling right-types wailing it's "unfair" people around them believe things different than them, it puzzles me. I didn't think to moan and wail when it happened to me, so why should they? My visceral reaction is they should grow a pair. But - hey - I suspect they prefer whiny victimhood to having balls.
Excellent. Now do trans surgery for minors.
As to that collateral issue, I think you assume a position I do not have.
I do not support performing irreversible surgery like that on minors.
So you’ll let a 14yr old die from a ruptured Appendix? (Appendectomy is “Irreversible” you find me a report in the Literature of an Appendix Transplant)
Ditto for amputations for Osteosarcoma,
You should change your Handle to “Sar-Dumbo”
Frank
Yes, conformity was recently invented by American universities.
It seems like the interviews should also have included questions with "more progressive" replaced by "more conservative". I've a strong suspicion of what the results would be, but this sample is large enough that we should have more than suspicions. The subsequent discussion in the op-ed suggests at least on one topic the student's views actually skewed more conservative than their expressed attitudes.
But a survey designed to detect only leftward posturing, is likely only to find leftward posturing! I hope that actual research instrument was a little more even-handed that this post or the op-ed indicates.
Shared the same question as I read this
And how many universities are hotbeds of zealous and coercive right-wing orthodoxy and activism? Just how retarded are you?
As I intimated originally, I would expect that the numbers for conservative-biased self-censorship to be much lower. But proper science doesn't assume: to the extent possible it measures. So I hope that this project did attempt to measure pressure in both directions but that these short summaries did not include all of the results.
Yes, the question was apparently the following:
"Have you EVER pretended to hold more progressive views than you truly endorse to succeed socially or academically?"
I would be fairly suprised if a very high percentage of students said yes to this question whether it said "more progressive" or "more conservative." Most students (and even adults) do this occasionally.
I meant to say that I would be very suprised if a very high percentage didn't say yes.
I think it would be more interesting to ask young people this question not college students. How many people hide their own views and just agree with their parents, bosses, pastors, loudmouths at the bar, peers whose pants they are trying to remove, etc.?
This was my thought as well. I imagine people, especially young people, and even more especially young people in college, often try to fit in this way.
After WWII, people wondered how the German people, who were basically civilized with a long history of arts and culture, could do the horrific things to their Jewish friends and neighbors.
This led to the infamous Milgram obedience experiment which involved seeing if a subject would give lethal electric shocks to a trained actor (who claimed to have a heart condition) if told to. This is now banned and part of why we have IRBs, but I digress.
I not only would have stopped, but I would have then said "I am going in there to make sure he is OK, you can unlock the door or I'll take it off its hinges -- your choice..."
Not only do I have no doubt I would have done that, particularly when the actor stopped saying anything, but people who know me also have no doubt I would. But most people went through the progressively higher voltage shocks to the end.
What people don't realize about this stuff is that once you cut people loose from their anchors, they are morally adrift and will drift the other way when the tide turns.
I saw this working in public housing in Amherst -- I saw progressive leftists graduate and get hired as rental housing managers -- and instantly became so niggardly that they made Ebeneezer Scrooge look like a Boy Scout.
What I realized was that they had no moral or ethical principles other than the Golden Rule -- "he who has the gold makes the rules."
What scares me is that if we ever had a Hitler -- and Trump is not it -- they'd all follow him.
Scary.
The quoted Milgram experiment didn't prove what everyone is told it did.
There were a bunch of experiments, and they didn't prove slavish adherence to Nazi-like authority, but rather people did bad things as long as they felt they were doing something good and helpful to society. They were helping science in this case.
It seems much more insidious. The mental battle is not your good heart vs. evil commands, it's your good heart trying to support a good cause even when it gets stressful and trying.
"...bad things as long as they felt they were doing something good and helpful to society. They were helping science in this case."
And let's not forget, they didn't actually do bad things, so whatever they believed (and that's not clear), their instincts were correct.
Wasn’t “The Tuskegee Experiment” enough proof “Good Americans” would commit what would be prosecuted as War Crimes if done to Enemy soldiers?
"I not only would have stopped, but I would have then said "I am going in there to make sure he is OK, you can unlock the door or I'll take it off its hinges -- your choice..."
"Not only do I have no doubt I would have done that, particularly when the actor stopped saying anything, but people who know me also have no doubt I would."
Have you told these 'people who knows me' about your mass murder snowplow fantasies, or you glee when female sex workers get murdered, or your burning hatred of social workers, or when Marcus Camby ignored you once way back, and you fumed about it
for 30 years?
"I saw this working in public housing in Amherst -- I saw progressive leftists graduate and get hired as rental housing managers ..."
To paraphrase DMN, no you didn't, because that thing never happened. My God man you are fucking deranged.
"Pure Psychopath. So rare to capture one alive.
From a research point of view [Dr. Ed] is our most prized asset."
You would not have stopped; you would have gleefully gone beyond the levels of shock ordered by the supervisor.
I would have said, "Mr. Supervisor, when you were in the bathroom I checked the equipment and it wasn't putting out any voltage, so I had to wire the guy directly to the wall outlet."
The Trumpists do in fact demonstrate a blind, unthinking, devotion to the man.
It's a step.
A rare exception to Betterridge's Law of Headlines. Thank you!
Of course they are. Either because they want to get through college with the least possible friction from the idiots called professor, or they lack the wit to understand that those performances are harmful
Day after the 1980 Erection my History Professor at Auburn (we had both types of History, Antebellum and Postbellum) an old Spinster from a prominent Atlanta family, went on an on about the disgrace that the Country had rejected Jimmuh Cartuh (like 2024, that was supposed to be a "Toss Up" Erection)
We were supposed to be finishing up the Gallic Wars, (don't tell me how it ends)
Everyone nodded somberly, including me (had a bad cough that day that sounded very similar to "Bullshit!")
Frank
Not all students are stupid.
All are ignorant - that's why they are in school. But street smarts tell them to put up with the BS out of convenience.
I'm not sure I agree. There's a reason why 'the wisdom of youth' is not a common saying.
“Wisdom of youth”???
I was stupid as (Redacted)
I had a young Brain (very, very, big) that I could do complicated Calculus problems and memorize complex Biochemical pathways and Anatomic nomenclature with.
Didn’t help with the Chicks, ever try to explain the difference between NADH and NADH+ to a cocktail waitress?
Frank
Cocktail waitresses are smarter than you think, Frank.
I knew a guy who decided he could pick up cocktail waitresses by pretending to be Francis Ford Coppola. He took a friend, to play the role of his bodyguard, along on his outing.
They came a cropper on the very first attempt. While "Francis" went to the bathroom the bodyguard informed a waitress that the guy was, in fact, Coppola. When he came back she confronted him,
"Are you Francis Ford Coppola."
"Yes. I am."
"Well, if you're Francis Ford Coppola, how come you're wearing a Timex watch?"
Hey Now!
How do the researchers know these interviewees are answering truthfully? Maybe they're telling the researchers what they think they want to know.
That was my first reaction too. Perhaps a followup question would have been enlightening.
Right, the wholly self-reported nature contains some potential irony here.
Our question was clinical, not political: "What happens to identity formation when belief is replaced by adherence to orthodoxy?"
We asked: Have you ever pretended to hold more progressive views than you truly endorse to succeed socially or academically? An astounding 88 percent said yes.
Definitely not political.
Or, unsurprising—when MAGA-cultish framing is held up to support the credibility of a MAGA-cultish report?
Note also—only on the basis of familiarity with VC commentary—it would be unwise to expect bystanders to judge MAGA-trending commenters to be less-conformist than the others.
Given the political affiliations of the professors and management at most universities, specifying "progressive" was only being realistic. You could count the universities where students might find it necessary to fake being conservative on your fingers.
How does it feel to be on the losing side?
Who is losing? Out-of-touch debt mills are paying billions of dollars to settle lawsuits rather than continue their losses in courts. Diplomas from these places mean less and less, and more useful indicia of skill and ability to focus are becoming more quickly used. They had a fling with letting violent antisemites occupy their campuses, and the universities found out that their social theories are both deeply unpopular with the general public and result in terrible outcomes in practice.
There are lots of reasons that wiser heads are trying to fix universities before they get fixed, as Prof. Adler recently put it.
MAGA hates culture, education, and science.
So they make up myths to justify dismantling it as best they can.
Hence the yelling of Marxist about everything, and the gesture at "their social theories" like it's anything more than not being MAGA.
"Your betters are gonna force these things on you. You will comply!"
Don't let that gather dust! Pull it back out!
Related: https://x.com/asymmetricinfo/status/1955762126552797535
Your random twitter guy's hot take aside, you're an example of MAGA hating culture education and science.
Why are you misgendering Megan McArdle? Isn't that literal violence?
It’s almost like you have never heard of campus anti-Israel protests, conservatives being shouted down as a guest speaker, or worse; many times with faculty participating.
Yeah, when progs act like this we tend to distrust academia.
When science tells us a cataclysmic event will occur unless we surrender to the govt, or lies upon lies regarding a pandemic, only fools keep them venerated on a pedestal. When scientist tells us, WITH ZERO EVIDENCE, that performing life altering surgery or prescribing drugs is fact.
Only idiots think that some disciplines of science are apolitical.
Yeah, it's it about time for Sarcastro to shift to "OK, it's happening but it's good."
You're so oppressed Brett.
For being white.
For being male.
For being conservative.
You're a bit like Jesus, really.
He was Executed and isn't punctual??
Punctual, or punctuated? One of the drawbacks of your intentional misspellings is knowing which ones are and how they are.
Another drawback is they make Frank a buffoonish joke.
As usual my words sail way over you 2’s pointy hai’ds sort of like happened with Hey/Zeus. (Love the part where the Pharisees think He’s saying you have to actually crawl back into your moms snatch to be “Born Again”)
I meant He “isn’t punctual” in that it’s been nearly 2,000 years, and wait, let me check…..
No hundred thousand Angels anywhere, I get “CPT” but 2 Millenia is ridiculous
Frank
I'd ask if your worldview was so simplistic as to think university professors are all of a type, but I've read your posts for years now and I already know the answer. I doubt you know much at all about politics on university campuses nor have any understanding of the political differences between professors from different fields, like law and engineering, for example.
Anyhow, to your other statement, that students need to fake being conservative at 10 or fewer universities (I assume nationwide) that's facially false. Just do a search on the universities that require students to adhere to a religious moral code or sign a pledge to such. All of them would require LGBT students to pretend to be more conservative. Brigham Young, University of San Diego, Liberty University, the list is long. Then there's the Army, Navy, and Air Force academies. The Air Force academy was quite infamous years ago for it's attempts at converting employees and students to Evangelical Christianity.
There is nothing new under the sun.
For the young who seek to live by truth, this [refusing to repeat the lies that are expected of you] will at first severely complicate life, for their tests and quizzes, too, are stuffed with lies, and so choices will have to be made. But there is no loophole left for anyone who seeks to be honest: Not even for a day, not even in the safest technical occupations can he avoid even a single one of the listed choices—to be made in favor of either truth or lies, in favor of spiritual independence or spiritual servility. And as for him who lacks the courage to defend even his own soul: Let him not brag of his progressive views, boast of his status as an academician or a recognized artist, a distinguished citizen or general. Let him say to himself plainly: I am cattle, I am a coward, I seek only warmth and to eat my fill.
From "Live not by lies" by Alexandr Solzhenitsyn
Universities are like the USSR!
Way to be insanely over the top, Lee.
Increasingly, yes, they ARE like the USSR.
Your overdramatic imagination is getting away from you again.
Your being in denial doesn't mean we're imagining things. See, for instance:
IREPORT: Faculty members more likely to self-censor today than during McCarthy era
Even the students who WERE 'liberal' were afraid to say what they really thought, and it wasn't the right they were afraid of.
You do love to take one-off opinion polls that align with your priors as rock-solid proof. That's not how science and truth are actually associated, but as I said your drama glands are in control on this one.
And even if it is 100% legit, universities did not invent conforming. It's like you are unfamiliar with some of the more famous activities of the USSR.
You check out RFK Jr? Now that's some neo-Lysenkoism.
Which you support. Of course. While you whine about universities being the USSR, we're elevating junk science to the determent of millions.
What the hell makes you think this poll was a one off? Somebody says "for instance", and you expect that to be followed by a comprehensive survey of the field?
No, nobody is saying that universities invented conforming. They didn't invent enforcing conformity either, neither did the USSR. Who the heck cares if somebody invented an abuse they're committing? We care that they ARE committing the abuse!
You desperately want to deny what is going on, because it's being committed by your end of the political spectrum. That's all that's happening here.
But institutions don't go from a rough political balance to overwhelmingly left wing in 20 years spontaneously. It has to be worked at, and what we're discussing is an aspect of the work that accomplished that, and sustains it.
Enforced ideological conformity under threat of social ostracism is one of the terrible but proven successful behaviors modern politics deliberately adopted from religion. They are the things that make organized religion rotten.
It's your evidence that you use to extrapolate that universities are basically like the USSR.
Such melodrama seems pretty self-refuting to me but feel free to continue pounding the table.
Bellmore — The Powell Memo, a complaint remarkably in tune with your overall take on liberalism, was written more than 50 years ago. All that shows is that right-wingers have understood for a very long time that lying about liberal politics works better for them than being forthright does.
"overdramatic imagination "
Take the beam out of your own eye. You think police are more of a danger than criminals and we are descending into a dictatorship.
I mean, you have my issue wrong but that's neither here nor there. Other than the tu quoque, do you think living in universities is now akin to living in the Soviet Union?
Increasingly, yes, they ARE like the USSR.
1. This is the statement of a deranged individual.
2. Even if it were true (and it's not in the right solar system) you wouldn't know. How much time have you spent around universities in the past few years, or decades? Worked there? Took classes? Have lots of students or faculty as friends? No. you read RW bullshit and believe it.
Saying what you disbelieve because you fear the consequences of doing otherwise is, psychologically, the same thing the world over. Sometimes the consequences are terrible, sometimes less so. The question posed is the same - "Let him say to himself plainly: I am cattle, I am a coward, I seek only warmth and to eat my fill." Is that who you are - or not ?
You will have noted that Solzhenitsyn - writing in 1974 - did not offer the gulag as the likely consequence of declining to go along with the regime lies, he offers "temporarily losing [your] job."
All conformity is psychologically the same?
That is some weak-ass backpeddaling.
All conformity in response to authoritarian pressure. It's just like you to elide WHY the people are conforming.
This is hilarious coming from the crowd that has gone off the deep end about pro-Palestinian voices on campuses. Not to mention the "authoritarian pressure" by the US government to cancel pro-Palestinian speech by defunding universities who let their students speak out against the atrocities in Gaza.
Gout playing up today ?
No not all conformity is the same. Some people like to conform because they’re conformists. Being in the middle of the flock makes them happy.
Solzhenitsyn is talking about something else - authority which demands not merely sullen obedience but active participation in the authority’s lies. For those who know the lies are lies this presents a dilemma - go along with it with pain to your conscience, and in time perhaps the atrophy of your conscience, or refuse to be bullied and decline to repeat the lies.
The Soviet authorities and woke university authorities are playing the same game - an authoritarian environment and inviting citizens / students to atrophy their consciences.
Indeed, that's why the left is perpetually demanding that people express belief in absurd things: They want to train people to prioritize submission to their sense of right and wrong.
the left is perpetually demanding that people express belief in absurd things
Sounds more like Trump's game to me, but hey, it's your standard Bellmore approach: "The left is a monolithic entity whose only purpose, which it conceals desperately, is to control the world so it can enact its nefarious schemes, and will do anything to accomplish that."
Deranged.
The regime that Solzhenitsyn is describing has no analogy at modern universities.
It's wild that you think it would.
Pretending it's about some internal cultural analogy lowers the bar to the point of uselessness.
The handy thing about analogies, if you don't like them, is that, since they're dealing with things that are admitted to be different in SOME regard, (Or else they'd be identities, not analogies!) so you've always got an excuse to reject them.
So, yes, American universities aren't located in Eurasia, the faculties and students aren't speaking Russian or using the Cyrillic alphabet, offending students won't be sent to labor camps in the frozen North. They're not literally the USSR.
The students and faculty ARE, however, self-censoring to a massive degree, out of fear of being subjected to adverse academic, professional, or even personal, consequences, if they do not. And THAT is what's being analogized to the USSR, and yes, it IS an analogy to what Solzhenitsyn was describing, though it hasn't gone as far as it did in the USSR, and probably never will.
Lee was not making an analogy. Neither were you, above, when you said: "Increasingly, yes, they ARE like the USSR."
So now you're backpeddaling but still trying to maintain legitimacy somehow.
No dice. Policing one's speech is a pretty normal thing, as folks discuss below.
You're just reaching for oppression. Yet again. And it made you come in way hot.
"Lee was not making an analogy."
Oh ffs. Analogy was your word, Sarcastro.
You've made some weak arguments in the past, Sarcastr0, but I don't think I've ever seen you so blatantly contradict your own point in a single post
"Lee was not making an analogy. Neither were you, above, when you said: "Increasingly, yes, they ARE like the USSR.""
He said that the universities were "like" the USSR. That is, by definition, an analogy.
Similes are not analogies.
Similes connect to similar things.
Analogies connect two dissimilar things.
Lee et al started with the thesis that they were similar. Switching to the USSR is merely an analogy is a pretty big pullback.
So, that's your argument to the contrary? "That was a simile, not an analogy, gotcha!"?
God, that's pathetic.
The students and faculty ARE, however, self-censoring to a massive degree, out of fear of being subjected to adverse academic, professional, or even personal, consequences, if they do not.
Tell us, Brett, do you think Trump is a champion of free expression? I don't. I'd say his behavior is far worse than any university administrator. Don't believe me. Ask Paramount. Ask Rümeysa Öztürk, ask a number of law firms, and of course universities.
Your outrage is unconvincing. You don't give a shit. All this is just another cudgel for you to use against your perceived enemies.
Lee Moore — Exemplars of conscience: Trump, Bondi, Hegseth, Kennedy, Jr., Noem, Gabbard, Patel.
Hard to read that and not think immediately of the MAGA movement and Republican members of Congress right now.
A student goes to the campus DEI office to report that his parrot was stolen.
The person at the desk said, "OK, but why are you here? Should you report this to campus security?"
The student responded, "Oh, I'm on my way there now. But first I wanted to stop by here and tell you guys that I don't agree with a thing that bird says!"
My sister, a legal aid attorney, kept an African grey parrot, and often took it to work with her. Her colleagues taught it to say, "You have the right to remain silent." The parrot liked that, and repeated it with startling clarity.
One day, while on the way to work, my sister stopped to go into a shop, and her car was stolen from the curb, with the parrot in it. The thief got no farther than a block and a half, before pulling over, leaping from the car, and fleeing on foot. No one knows for sure why that happened, but an explanation seemed obvious.
College towns tend to go blue, despite students obviously not getting graded by who they vote for.
College students are young, impressionable, often still being driven by hormones from puberty, and by definition not fully educated.
Seems you have some issues with the thesis of the OP, then.
It would be a refreshing change if you were even close to being right for once.
College students engage in performative virtue signaling for the same reasons I listed.
Forget what Student Organization that sponsored it (Auburn 1981 wasn't exactly Berkley) but there was a Friday Night screening of "Bedtime for Bonzo" (1951 Universal Pictures) I think they were trying to turn it into a "Rocky Horror Picture Show" thing, but turned out it was just your typical Disney-type Flick, alot of people left as even in 1981 Black & White movies were a hard sell*.
"Valerie Tillinghast, daughter of a prominent college dean, is engaged to psychology professor Peter Boyd (Reagan). When Tillinghast’s father discovers that Peter is the son of a former criminal, he forbids the marriage, declaring Peter's blood to be tainted, in line with his strong belief in heredity as an influence on character. As Peter believes equally strongly in the opposite, he aims to prove that he can raise a chimpanzee as one would a human child in a law-abiding household."
*on Fridays I'd shuffle up the I-85 to the old Rialto in Atlanta, see classics like "Black Samurai" (with the Late Great Jim Kelly) or "10 Brothers of Shaolin"
Frank
In other, albeit apocryphal words: "Anyone who is not a [liberal Democrat] at twenty casts doubt on the generosity of his soul; but he who, after thirty years, perseveres, casts doubt on the soundness of his mind."
Pre Med Advisor at Auburn (a Physics Professor, so he should know) told us not to say we wanted to be a GP in Rural Alabama or practice with Doctors without Borders as the Admissions Committee would think we either lying or Idiots, and it was OK to say you were going into Medicine for the Shekels, or like me, you wanted to be "Hawkeye" from M*A*S*H (the cool Donald Sutherland Movie Version, not the woke Alan Alda one)
Worked for me,
Frank
This piece for the Hill was written by ChatGPT. How did this not get flagged by The Hill’s editors? Incredible.
People conform, especially teenagers and those in their early twenties.
Remarkable finding.
You said it more succinctly.
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they rebel. Particularly when they are teetering on the brink of adulthood.
What is interesting is that the universities provide a milieu in which failing to pretend to progressive opinion is felt to be unwise. Something of a bite in the ass to the theory that universities are a welcoming home for critical thinking and intellectual inquiry.
Prof Adler's post is not about students, it's about universities.
You seem to think some baseline skills for living in a society are bad for critical thinking and intellectual inquiry.
Sarcastr0 — I think that. I think it could not be more obvious.
Most folks are not born to be moral philosophers or professors of science. They are born to get along with the folks they live among, and to seek safety and advancement while doing it. The vast majority will always feel more comfortable with conformity than with intellectual independence.
Even among highly-successful business leaders, the norm is that it is safer career-wise to be wrong in plentiful company. Better that than to be right in lonesome opposition to the others.
Of course that means folks like Bellmore will always remain nervous about university communities. They encourage intellectual independence for its own sake, and tolerate resulting risks of social opprobrium, whether rightly or wrongly assigned. That gives Bellmore the creeps.
The baseline skills for attending university are to kowtow to the political orthodoxy there. Really ?
I sure wouldn’t want you for my defense lawyer !
Yes, that is part of living in a society.
When I hang out with my republican friends we don't bring up politics.
When someone wants me to use them/they I don't turn it into a big moral stand.
It's called not being an asshole; I'd wager you do many similar things.
So when you go to a university dominated by leftists, it's impolite (to the extent of being an asshole) to bring up diverse viewpoints?
Talk about saying the quiet part out loud.
You called it yourself a few comments ago :
TIP : Yeah, it's it about time for Sarcastro to shift to "OK, it's happening but it's good."
I guess that's true.
Don't like being forced to say that men can get pregnant? Well, that's just part of living in a society!
So when you go to a university dominated by leftists, it's impolite (to the extent of being an asshole) to bring up diverse viewpoints?
Oh my god tiny pianist. Your tiny brain is at it again.
Even taking the "research" at face value, the question was "have you ever" not "do you always!" In other words, have you ever decided against saying something obnoxious?
I suppose maybe that is a foreign concept to you. Which is precisely what makes you an asshole.
The authors report an astonishing new phenomenon - students in left-wing universities engage in performative virtue signaling- and then proceed to editorialize about how this is a problem in left-wing culture.
Before going too far with this, I think it’s worth asking the question whether any of this is new, or even limited to the left. How many students whose parents sent them to conservative Christian colleges actually believe the positions they espouse? How many went in the 1960s went to civil rights protests or KKK eallies primarily to pick up dates? How much of human moral pronouncements in general, throughout history, has ever been any more than performative virtue signalling, a ritual mating display not fundamentally different in character from the way a peacock displays its feathers? How many people who cheat on their spouses will say publicly they think it’s OK to do so?
The difficulty with the analysis here is that it is merely comparing the findings to what the authors believe ought to be the case. Since the authors assume - I think completely without foundation - that a world where their beliefs hold is somehow normal, they then draw conclusions about what causes deviation from such a world which are nothing more than rank speculation.
The authors might as well be reporting that in left-wing universities, women have breasts, and then proceed to editorialize about what in left-wing culture is causing this astonishingly abnormal phenomenon to happen.
The whole assumption that this is in any way abnormal is quite possibly without foundation. It’s certainly completely without foundation in any evidence obtained from the study. And if it is the way things normally are, left-wing culture has nothing whatsoever to do with how it came to be.
This may be the stupidest thing I've ever seen. I normally don't call out Prof. Adler (I consider him one of the best of VCers ... although increasingly, that's like calling him the tallest Lilliputian), but shame on him for uncritically passing this on.
I know that all of the keyboard commandoes here like to exult with a barbaric yawp, "I KAN ALWAYZ TEL TRUF! I SHOUT THE N WORD EVRY DAY AT PIGGLY WIGGLY! IMA AUTHENTIK!!!!!"
But I guarantee you- all of us, 100% of us, self-censor. We all change our language, we all conform to different situations, we all modify or moderate what we say and do.
There can be different terms for this. Some of us code-switch (for example, we use informal jargon with close friends, and formal language in a workplace). Some of us moderate our language with family (until we drink too much at Thanksgiving, and then EFF YOU UNCLE CHAD!). Some of us choose to discuss our religious preferences more freely in church than we would on vacation to a country with different religious beliefs (not out of fear, but out of respect). Some of us choose to hold our tongue when looking at the artistic expression of friends, or co-workers, on in other instances ("Oh, that's your child's painting? It's so ... interesting!"). Some of us scream about pronouns on the internet, but we are more tactful when dealing with a close friend.
And so on. We all do this. 100% of us. And to think that college kids- you know, the very people who are renowned for trying on different personas and seeing what fits - to think that they are the one group that doesn't conform when the rest of us do it all the time?
This biased survey and the op-ed is, quite literally, a flaming bag of poop. And Prof. Adler chose to run out and stomp on it repeatedly.
I also find myself curious how the authors came to assume there was anything unusual about what was going on. Were the Asch conformity experiements of the 1950s, which found this kind of behavior widespread in a culture where beliefs were very different, unknown to them?
The issue is that you'd normally expect that what you'd need to conform with is, roughly, median or modal opinion, with as many people shading their opinions from one side of the median as the other. People on the right AND left pretending to be middle of the road, roughly in equal numbers.
And given a normal distribution of opinion, most people would be close enough to that median opinion to be relatively fearless about stating their own views, because they'd be mainstream views, and they had no need to pretend to be what they actually were.
But instead what we have seen in the universities is the majority, (Which is mostly composed of center-left students and faculty, the actual right in society already largely excluded.) afraid to dissent from extreme left views. Why?
Are Colleges and Universities Too Liberal? What the Research Says About the Political Composition of Campuses and Campus Climate
"As Abrams wrote in The New York Times in 2016, “It appears that a fairly liberal student body is being taught by a very liberal professoriate — and socialized by an incredibly liberal group of administrators.” Taken together the data clearly illustrate that liberals are overrepresented in the faculty as well as among the students and administrators."
Notice how this lines up with power relationships: The least powerful group, the students, is the least left-wing, facing more left-wing AND more powerful faculty, while the left-wing faculty are facing even more left-wing and even more powerful administrators.
The center of power isn't the center of opinion, it is systematically to the left of the center of opinion. So the pressure is to conform left-wards, not towards the center.
Your thesis as backed up by a blog created to push this point of view, is that student bodies being liberal is *itself* tyrannical.
That's actually just you whining people don't agree with you enough.
The students are the least powerful group? Hmm.
There's also nothing in the Hill article that tells us students aren't also opportunistically adopting right-wing positions.
My own view is that most people have few strongly-held positions even on hot-button issues. If it is momentarily advantageous they will say all kinds of things.
I'll agree that most people don't actually HAVE positions on a lot of issues, and will just make up one they think the questioner will like, if asked. A long standing problem with public opinion polling, which is not impossible to work around, but pollsters seldom go to the trouble or expense.
While the Hill article itself doesn't give reason to think the students aren't also pretending right-wing positions, that's because the Hill article assumes an educated reader who hasn't been living in a cave for the last quarter century.
By now, anybody who isn't aware that most universities have gone hard left is just flat out ignorant enough that they're probably not reading the Hill to begin with, or just in ideologically dictated denial.
No one really believes in transgenderism. It is all performative.
Kind of like Jesus.
Except the concept of the Son of a Surpeme Being being sent to Earth to die for our sins is conceivable (barely) While someone being arbitrarily being able to choose their sex is ridiculous on its face
I found this paragraph particularly noxious:
That is just pure BS, and you don't need to get into extremely progressive notions of inclusion to understand why. Which of us hasn't told a "white lie" to help someone feel better about themselves or more included in a group? Anyone who's hung around a young child knows what it's like to spend time with someone with no social filter and it's often extremely uncomfortable. As we learn and grow, we adapt to make people feel welcome, often through self-censorship.
I do think that there's problems with group think and monoculture on University campuses, but as Loki points out, this "study" and its findings do not seem like a genuine attempt to do anything other than let conservatives reinforce their own priors about colleges and universities.
"But I guarantee you- all of us, 100% of us, self-censor."
I love how so many leftists seem to have forgotten that Universities are supposed to be places that you don't have to self-censor your ideas.
They haven't forgotten. They just disapprove of that ancient bourgois norm.
No, you shouldn't be an asshole and pick political fights even at universities.
As many people at this point have said this is bog-standard long-standing human behavior being reported as something sinister.
It's a slow pitch, but I like SykesFive's crack at it below.
Some people on here seem like they're assholes in the real world. You, Lee, don't seem like that. I expect you're not too politically aggro out and about in the world, even if I often find your analysis terrible.
So we may have a difference of fact - disagreeing agreeably is not the same as shouting the N-word to demonstrate freedom of speech.
The OP doesn't distinguish between either behavior.
"No, you shouldn't be an asshole and pick political fights..."
It just writes itself.
Many have observed how the norms of internet discourse are different from real-world interactions.
If you act exactly like you post when you talk in person to people...holy shit, dude.
And there it is, on display: Your conviction that agreeing with your politics is just basic courtesy. That disagreeing with you is "picking a fight".
But political disagreement isn't picking a fight unless you're disagreeing with somebody who treats it that way. Most people are capable of disagreeing without fighting.
"Universities are supposed to be places that you don't have to self-censor your ideas."
What a load of horseshit. Ask Cambridge and Harvard about not censoring ideas and how much cash they're giving to Trump Inc to sidestep Republican retaliation efforts now that they control all branches of government.
"But I guarantee you- all of us, 100% of us, self-censor."
I love how so many leftists seem to have forgotten that Universities are supposed to be places that you don't have to self-censor your ideas.
Still not getting it, are you.
If you're on a date and she's like, how much do you love Taylor Swift on a scale from a million to a billion and you say anything other than "I guess I love her boobs a billion" then you've self-sensored in a progressive direction.
It's amazing the results weren't 100% is what's amazing.
None of these people indicated that they didn't feel comfortable expressing themselves in appropriate times, places, and manners. Only that they have the basic social skills to not verbalize every little inappropriate thought that crosses their minds.
Again, and obviously, a very low bar that you don't meet. You fall into the 12% obnoxious asshole category whose first dates end more often than not with a drink thrown in their face.
Shocked, shocked, I say, to find that someone greenlighted money to prove conformity exists on college campuses. Surely, the plainly nonconformist students simply told the researchers what they wanted to hear!
Next up: someone will discover sarcasm and cognitive dissonance in the comments section and pay money to study those, too.
(only a university professor would find this result surprising enough to blog about, maybe the same one shocked that the resovoir of goodwill for universities is now empty)
The most astounding news is that over 80 percent of students had submitted classwork.
I am old enough to remember when performative virtue signaling in college consisted mostly of performative norm defiance.
It still does. (Fun fact, I've noticed that Goth is back in style. The number of buckles and straps on student's clothing is going up!)
What some people here seem to forget is that the norms the students are rebelling against are often not their fellow students but their parents'.
If you are still a Democrat voters after this evidentiary slap in the face then you have lost touch with reality and live in a fantasyland.
I'm hoping this is part of a series.
"HONEY YOU LOOK FINE IN THAT: Are husbands systematically refusing to address flaws in their wives' appearances before going out?"
"WHATEVER YOU SAY: Do employees smile and nod even when they don't agree with the boss?"
"IF THEY DON'T WIN IT'S A SHAME: Are all fans of the home team sincere in their allegiance?"
"PASS THE STUFFING: Has conformity and acquiescence replaced the free exchange of ideas at the Thanksgiving dinner table?"
"Whatever I don't like is racist or Nazi: Are Democrats ignoring reality in blind obedience to their ideology?"
None of those are remotely analogous to the topic at hand (I think you’re kidding, but not sure).
Students are supposed to learn how to effectively formulate and express their thoughts. Maybe more importantly, they should learn how to listen to the thoughts and ideas of others and logically and cogently express disagreement. Or if they like it better, accept it and change their minds.
The Harvard Crimson reported only 33% of graduating Harvard students felt comfortable expressing themselves on controversial topics. That’s not a healthy learning environment that encourages constructive discussion.
Here's what the Crimson said:
Undergraduates whose responses were reviewed by the committee reported hesitation to speak up in class for fear of flubbing responses or posing questions with obvious answers. Graduate students likewise reported pressure to appear as if they had already mastered course material.
Some undergraduates reported picking classes that reinforce their preexisting opinions or else aim for higher grades by answering assignments in line with their instructors’ perceived politics.
I don't feel like there's anything new about that sort of posturing. Maybe new student orientation should consist of a mandatory Dead Poets' Society screening?
It doesn't match my own college experience, but I attended an engineering university back in the 70's; If the instructors even had politics, they didn't bother sharing them with the students, as it wasn't relevant to any of the subject matter.
You’ve omitted the most salient part of the article:
“The report concluded that some undergraduates avoid politically fraught conversations, opting instead to socialize and take courses with like-minded peers and instructors. Only 33 percent of graduating College students feel free to express their views on controversial issues, according to a 2024 survey of graduating seniors cited in the report.”
"HONEY YOU LOOK FINE IN THAT"
My wife does, in fact, look fine in that. I married up.
"WHATEVER YOU SAY"
I'm actually professionally EXPECTED to disagree with my boss, if I think he's wrong about something. As my boss, he still gets his way if I can't persuade him, of course, but he's supposed to be aware that I disagree. Engineers aren't supposed to be yes men.
"IF THEY DON'T WIN IT'S A SHAME"
I don't bother pretending to care about the local team.
"PASS THE STUFFING"
Well, not at mine, anyway.
The Hill identifies Forest Romm and Kevin Waldman as “researchers in clinical and applied psychology at Northwestern University,” which strikes me as misleading. As far as I determine from some internet searches, both are current pursuing Masters degrees in clinical psychology at Northwestern University. Their publications appear to consist only of opinion pieces written for the general public; they don’t appear to have any publications in scientific journals or even pieces posted on the web written with a professional audience in mind.
While they are “at Northwestern University,” and anyone can self identify as a “researcher,” the combination implies that Northwestern University has some stake in the integrity of the research. If Romm and Waldman were discovered to have fabricated the data in the Op Ed, I can’t imagine that they would face any consequences from Northwestern University. That would be between them and The Hill, and the worst that The Hill would do would be to reject future Op Ed submissions from Romm and Waldman.