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The University Presidents Who Want to Fix Universities Before They Get Fixed
University Presidents are divided on how to respond to pressure from the Trump Administration. Are their concerns too little, too late?
For well over a decade I have been of the view that universities need to fix themselves, or they will get fixed--and that getting fixed is likely to be more destructive than restorative. Until recently, I held this view with regard to public universities in red and purple states, but I probably underestimated the extent to which universities had alienated large portions of the public and undermined their own reservoirs of political support--and did not anticipate the focus with which some Trump Administration officials would target universities. To be sure, the Supreme Court's SFFA decision, which effectively declared the de facto admissions policies at most elite universities to be illegal, and the wave of campus anti-Semitism only made universities more vulnerable.
The Atlantic has an interesting article on the growing divide among some university presidents about how to respond to the Trump Administration and current political pressures. On one side are folks like Princeton's Chris Eisgruber, who seem to think there is nothing wrong and that universities can and should ride out the storm. (Those we might call the ostriches of academia.) On the other are those like Daniel Diermeier of Vanderbilt and Andrew Martin of Washington University, who recognize that universities need to reform themselves. The latter camp accept the charge made by folks like Michael Clune that universities have brought much of their current trouble upon themselves.
This is how the article describes the "reformers":
The Reformists believed that higher education had a problem even before Trump was reelected. They watched as conservative speakers were shouted down or disinvited from campuses. They saw professional organizations publicly commit themselves to positions that sounded more like activism than scholarship. (The academics who make up the American Anthropological Association, to cite one example, announced in 2020 that their "research, scholarship, and practice" should be placed "in service of dismantling institutions of colonization and helping to redress histories of oppression and exploitation.") After the Hamas invasion of southern Israel on October 7, 2023, the reformists watched as anti-Israel protesters on other campuses occupied buildings, erected encampments, and, in some cases, engaged in overt anti-Semitism. "You can't look at what happened on many university campuses last academic year and conclude that everything is just fine," Martin told me.
Early last year, Martin and Diermeier began working on a Statement of Principles for higher education. "If research universities are to pursue the truth wherever it lies, they cannot have a political ideology or pursue a particular vision of social change," they wrote. Their university boards adopted the principles as official policy in the fall of 2024, before the presidential election. "Our view was, we have to proactively work on the reform of education, which meant most importantly to be firmly committed to knowledge creation and transmission," Diermeier, who previously served as provost of the University of Chicago, told me.
Note that Martin and Diermeier (like Clune) expressed this view before the Trump Administration took office -- but that the Trump Administration's efforts make reform even more urgent.
The reformers think the resistance presidents are delusional for believing that their problems will go away when Trump does. They see the president's attacks as symptomatic of a larger issue. Polling shows that confidence in American higher education has cratered in recent years, especially among Republicans. "The fundamental fact here is that we have never been in worse shape in my lifetime," Diermeier told me. The reformer presidents, who tend to be in red or purple states, think the resistance leaders are trapped in liberal echo chambers. "It's clear that the bipartisan support has eroded," Martin told me. "It's really misguided to think that what's happening in higher education is a blip and that we're going to return to where we were before."
He and his allies believe that universities should have started cleaning up their act years ago. Now they're playing catch-up, and can't expect to stop just because Trump will someday leave office. . . .
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I probably underestimated the extent to which universities had alienated large portions of the public and undermined their own reservoirs of political support
That's certainly one way to describe what happened. Not a correct way, mind you, but *a* way.
No, it's a pretty accurate way to describe it. It would be bad enough for public institutions to pick a side in a 50-50 nation, but when it comes to the politics of racial preferences, the US is more of a 70-30 nation, (Racial preferences are opposed by a majority even in 'blue' states like California.) and they picked the 30.
Your worldview, where disagreeing with you can only be in bad faith, does not allow for institutions that don't pick a side.
You, and MAGA generally, are too narrow and partisan to to credibly ding anyone for not being neutral. There is no neutral in your world.
Isn't that a standard notion in left-wing politics? That you're either part of the solution or part of the problem?
The problem for the universities here is that the public has rejected racial preferences even as (some of) the universities have gone all in on them. They're on a moral crusade, but the numbers are in the opposing camp.
Yeah, there are absolutely left-wingers who take that view!
And if they came around and lamented that universities weren't neutral enough I'd ding them too.
Don't pretend what Trump is doing to universities has some kind of public mandate. This is MAGA anti-intellectualism.
Just look at how many facts you need to make up and assume to pretend this is legitimate.
Isn't that a standard notion in left-wing politics? That you're either part of the solution or part of the problem?
Yeah, there are absolutely left-wingers who take that view!
I realized that about 10 years ago, maybe 15, some genius, and I'm not being sarcastic, decided to convert the left's modern cause (later loosely described as "woke") by inhaling things from religion, often bad things, because they're proven to work.
"If you're not with us, you're against us." This is from the "How to be an anti-racist" book. You can't just sit by idly, hands off, not my problem, I gave at the office. You must be pressed into service.
It is also from religion since time immemorial. There are no other gods, other religions. Just lies made up by the Devil to deceive you. No atheists. You're deluded by more of Satan's lies.
If you are not with active efforts at saving souls, you are doing the Devil's work.
Original sin Everyone inherits the sin of Eve being tempted by the serpent. Even if you live sinless, a theoretical but functionally impossible thing, you're still guilty, hellbound guilty, because of someone else's misdeeds.
So, too, slavery in the US. Forget any pride in your ancestors being mostly the ones who ended slavery, no, feel disingegrating pride for that
Imagine instead the assholes. That original sin is what you should feel.
"If a village won't listen, and has hard hearts, leave them, and shake the dust off your sandals as you do." Better yet, social ostracism. Chase them out. You don't leave. Make them leave.
I make no judgement on the motivated politics behind these efforts, only acknowledging the genius who realized using the tried and true strategies from religion might be useful.
It's too late Gaslighto -- half of America is willing to tolerate higher ed while the other half wants to bulldoze it flat and salt the earth -- neither is willing to continue funding the largess....
What do you call a thousand unemployed tenured professors?
-- A good start....
"Not a correct way,"
Conservatives are a "large portion" of the public, no?
No. Anyone to the right of Lenin is a wrecker, a kulak, a parasite. Not a decent member of society.
They are. They just have no reason to care about Harvard except that some guy who inherited billions from his dad needs an "elite" to wage political war on.
Trump didn't start the conservative dislike of Harvard.
He's following here, not leading.
Did you ever stop to think that Harvard and other "elite" schools may have started it because of their dislike of conservatives?
Last year I had to attend a couple of classes at a local branch of a State University. The amount of bias against anybody who showed any like of conservatism was amazing. Vance was having a rally at a local VFW Post. Official e-mails were sent stating that attending his rally was not an excuse for missing class and there would be consequences for it. I didn't have class that day and a bunch of us took a half day off and attended. Three days later I get an e-mail from a campus group showing a picture of me at the Rally and the statement that my instructors would be notified. My reply wasn't polite. A few weeks later, Kamila was in Pittsburgh. There were busses from the Campus and several Instructors gave extra credit for attendance. I'm pretty sure Harvard and the others EARNED the conservatives dislike of them.
Official e-mails were sent stating that attending his rally was not an excuse for missing class and there would be consequences for it
Really? You were personally called out for going to a Vance rally by a school you were taking 'a couple of classes' at?
"Did you ever stop to think that Harvard and other "elite" schools may have started it because of their dislike of conservatives?"
Of course. Just like labor unions and mass media, they went from mostly left leaning to completely left and made it clear conservatives were not wanted. Except for rich ones who foolishly donated.
See, like everything else, its only a culture war once conservatives notice and strike back.
I don't understand this anecdote. What does Vance have to do with conservatism?
Are you sure this was you and not your cousin's boyfriend's old frat buddy?
Notice, again, that you provide no alternative. You insult, you destroy, you never create or improve.
You throw tantrums like little kids because mommy won't give you more cookies.
Look who's talking.
IF the "universities" are truthful about their objectives, and about their missions, all they have to do is stop taking federal money (also known as tax dollars).
No federal grants, no federal research, no students using federal loans, just run the university they way they want to using their own money.
Simple.
If the government wants certain things done, it should be free to do them itself. Or it can pay a private organisation to do them. But given that the US has entered the post-science era, whereby things like vaccines and climate research are deemed superfluous, I can see why you might think that not paying universities any money might be a viable idea.
Why do you think the government started the Land Grant Universities -- which ARE the Government "do[ing] them itself."
The government violates the First Amendment if it conditions funding (e.g., research) on how a recipient spends its own money (e.g., curriculum). See FCC v. League of Women Voters (1984).
On how a recipient lawfully spends its own money. The government is still free to condition funding on not breaking laws.
Has there been a finding of law breaking via due process?
STUDENTS FOR FAIR ADMISSIONS, INC. v. PRESIDENT AND FELLOWS OF HARVARD COLLEGE
"Held: Harvard’s and UNC’s admissions programs violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment."
What the law is in that area was *established* in that case, Harvard thought they were following Grutter. Has there been a finding that Harvard has violated the law as established in SFFA since that case was decided?
You mean, has there been a finding of law breaking since the finding of law breaking?
Give the Trump DOJ a few months, and I expect there will be.
They can’t be guilty of breaking the law before it was established.
Gotta break it to you: The 14th amendment was established about 140 years ago.
Even the Grutter Court was clear that its tolerance of racial preferences was temporary: "We expect that 25 years from now, the use of racial preferences will no longer be necessary to further the interest approved today."
That was a clear warning to start phasing them out, because the Court wasn't going to tolerate them for much longer. Harvard didn't take the warning.
When SCOTUS overturns a prior holding the people following the prior holding aren’t guilty of breaking the law. Fisher held race could be a factor, SFFA overturned that seven years later, Harvard wasn’t breaking the law by following Fisher during that period, they’d only be breaking the law if they kept doing what SFFA said they couldn’t *after* SFFA
It was literally a finding that they had been violating the EPC of the 14th amendment, which last time I looked was "law".
Maybe you don't get penalized if you're the first person to be notified that the Court has changed its mind, or, as in this case, finally run out of patience. But you've still been breaking the law, that is literally what the Court ruling against you signifies.
By your logic states that followed Plessy were breaking the law before Brown was decided, states that didn’t recognize gay marriage were breaking the law before Ogberfell (and many other examples could be given whenever the Court overturns precedent). You can’t break the law when it hasn’t been established, SFFA overturned Fisher, those following Fisher up to that point were following the law, not breaking it. SFFA established new law, Harvard is only guilty of breaking the law if they did what SFFA said was prohibited after SFFA was decided.
Yes, exactly: The ruling against you is a ruling that you have broken the law. Literally, that's what it is. The Court didn't rule that Harvard would break the law if they continued to discriminate, they ruled that Harvard had broken the law by discriminating. Read it, they're not using the future tense, they're using the past tense.
The Court has no power to rule what the law will be next time, only what it is now and was at the time of the act being ruled on.
Sure, maybe when the Court rules that "We have always been at war with EastAsia", when before they'd ruled that we weren't, they're actually 'creating' new law. But they always say that they're just announcing what the law was all along, because they're not actually entitled to create new law, just to rule on what the law IS.
And, anyway, as I said above, Grutter expressly came with an expiration date, it was a warning that the Court's patience with racial preferences was wearing thin, and it would not much longer refrain from ruling them unconstitutional. Sensible people started planning how to phase them out, after that warning.
Harvard planned, instead, on how to entrench them.
This is another example of BrettLaw, isn’t it?
Can any lawyers who actually know what they’re talking about help here?
If a SCOTUS precedent is overturned, is it considered “breaking the law” for someone to have followed the former precedent? Assuming they have changed their behavior to conform to the new precedent.
I suggest you re-read Students for Fair Admissions; The Court ruled that Harvard was even in violation of Grutter.
" Twenty years have passed since Grutter, with no end to race-
based college admissions in sight. But the Court has permitted race-
based college admissions only within the confines of narrow restrictions: such admissions programs must comply with strict scrutiny, may never use race as a stereotype or negative, and must—at some point—end. Respondents’ admissions systems fail each of these criteria and must therefore be invalidated under the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. "
Wasn't your point that Trump could stop funding research as a result (which is a penalty)?
The difficulty you two are having is that "breaking the law" is a pop culture idiom, not a legal term of art.
Breakin the law! Breakin the law!
So you really think the states that did not recognize gay marriage before Ogberfell or that made sodomy illegal before Lawrence were breaking the law the whole time? They were following Bowers and Baker.
Trump just wants to enforce the law and has no gripes about the viewpoints expressed by the universities.
I needed a good laugh today.
Yeah, the Trumpists can convince themselves of the most ridiculous things. That he is a principled person who does things for the good of the country is the purest example of this.
I feel this was pretty much inevitable as Republicans slid further and further into anti-intellectualism. It doesn't work for universities to try to pander to that.
If America has decided to give up the mantle of superpower to China, there's simply not much role for American research universities in that world.
Is it possible that some universities have gone too far with their politics while at the same time Trump should butt out?
What policies? DEI? Sure! DEI didn't work, everybody knows that and is adjusting. That would've happened with or without MAGA.
But DEI wasn't even mentioned in the OP. This seems to be mostly about cracking down on pro-Palestinian voices as a favor to Trump (and donors). No, I don't think (even more) pro-Jewish and anti-Palestinian policies are what universities have needed all along.
The linked article's focus was on one-sided political activism in general (the reformers complained long before Oct 7), not specifically Israel.
It seems ok to me for universities to fight against anti-intellectualism generally. It's not going to work out for universities to try to appease the right by being fact-agnostic.
All of the sane people have either retired or left.
It's time to simply nuke the universities.
Higher education has become a grotesque pig trough where obscenely bloated administrations and pseudo academics gorge themselves on tax dollars like a disgusting sounder of swine. Completely cut the flow of tax dollars until they start closing departments outside of STEM and then cut some more. The tactic will reveal a 10:1 ratio of fat, useless employees on campus to worthwhile researchers. Then sit back and listen to the choir of credentialed idiots and charlatans ranting that every cent of government funding is spent under strict scrutiny and provides inestimable benefit to the nation.
The university-industrial complex is the most dangerous internal threat to the United States with its advocacy of Islamists, socialism, Marxism, judicial tyranny, and social theory detached from reality.
Your view is unAmerican. Our Founders would be aghast at an educational system limited only to STEM. They knew the value of studying history, philosophy, political economy, and other liberal arts subject.
You are ignorant regarding the facts. The founding fathers believed that universities existed with a primary function to educate preachers. Please teach yourself about the establishment of Yale and Harvard. If you want to student history and philosophy, then do so without the aid of tax dollars. The founding fathers recognized no right to an education. Horace Mann and public education emerged decades after the founding, and then public education pertaining only to grammar school education not higher education. Please look up the number of doctorate degrees in history and philosophy compared to the number of positions available for them. Universities today are degree mills to fund bloated faculties. The first massive federal expansion of higher education was exactly focused on STEM degrees, the Morrill Act of the Civil War era.
You claim to judge who is American and advocate history, but you are ignorant of America and its history.
You could use some history education. Jefferson founded the University of Virginia, Franklin the University of Philadelphia,John Witherspoon was the first president of Princeton, Lewis Morris was on the first board of regents for the University of New York, etc. John Adams wrote the Massachusetts state constitution in 1780 and included this provision:
Massachusetts Constitution of 1780, CH. 5, SEC. 2
Wisdom and knowledge, as well as virtue, diffused generally among the body of the people, being necessary for the preservation of their rights and liberties; and as these depend on spreading the opportunities and advantages of education in the various parts of the country, and among the different orders of the people, it shall be the duty of legislatures and magistrates, in all future periods of this commonwealth, to cherish the interests of literature and the sciences, and all seminaries of them; especially the university at Cambridge, public schools and grammar schools in the towns; to encourage private societies and public institutions, rewards and immunities, for the promotion of agriculture, arts, sciences, commerce, trades, manufactures, and a natural history of the country; to countenance and inculcate the principles of humanity and general benevolence, public and private charity, industry and frugality, honesty and punctuality in their dealings; sincerity, good humor, and all social affections, and generous sentiments, among the people.
The New Hampshire state constitution of 1784 adopted this same idea:
Art.] 83. [Encouragement of Literature, etc.; Control of Corporations, Monopolies, etc.]
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Knowledge and learning, generally diffused through a community, being essential to the preservation of a free government; and spreading the opportunities and advantages of education through the various parts of the country, being highly conducive to promote this end; it shall be the duty of the legislators and magistrates, in all future periods of this government, to cherish the interest of literature and the sciences, and all seminaries and public schools, to encourage private and public institutions, rewards, and immunities for the promotion of agriculture, arts, sciences, commerce, trades, manufactures, and natural history of the country
When you want to burn something down, it’s best to pretend it’s made of straw.
Let’s just say that dividing the world into people who agree with you and people who are sticking their head in the sand is a self-serving fallacy. There are people who think that Trump is grasping some potentially legitimate issues regarding university excesses as pretexts for taking universities over and using them to promote and serve oligarchy.
Sure, there are people who think that. It's a silly position, for multiple reasons.
For one thing, the fight is between two competing oligarchies, not oligarchy and non-oligarchy...
You see Trump in every shadow. He haunts your every breath. What a pathetic existence.
This is uncommonly silly, like it or not it’s just a fact that the Trump administration is taking on many universities right now.
On one side are folks like Princeton's Chris Eisgruber, who seem to think there is nothing wrong and that universities can and should ride out the storm. (Those we might call the ostriches of academia.) On the other are those like Daniel Diermeier of Vanderbilt and Andrew Martin of Washington University, who recognize that universities need to reform themselves.
I think that there are a lot more than two sides that university presidents fall into. There are also the public university presidents and boards of regents or whatever that are chosen (whether directly or indirectly) by governors that want people in charge of state universities that align with their worldview and politics.
In Florida, the state university system board in June rejected longtime academic Santa Ono for the presidency at the University of Florida, despite a unanimous vote of approval by the school’s own Board of Trustees. The unprecedented reversal followed criticism from conservatives about Ono’s past support for DEI programs.
That followed the conservative makeover of New College of Florida, a small liberal arts school once known as the state’s most progressive. After Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis appointed a group of conservatives to its governing board, many faculty left, including Amy Reid, who now manages a team focused on higher education at the free-expression group PEN America.
Then, there are the university presidents that might believe in what they had been doing, but they feel like they need to cave in to the threats from the Trump administration.
Finally, there might be some mix of all of these thoughts and motivations existing simultaneously in the same university president.
Prof. Adler,
You excluded these possibilities to focus only on the situations that fit what you wanted to discuss. At least, that is how it looks to me.
America's research institutions are world leaders at the frontier of knowledge in science, math and technology, but this is greatly threatened by Trump's recent defunding actions.
Across town from me, Terry Tao (a UCLA mathematician who is arguably the closest modern analogue to Gauss, Newton, or Archimedes in the breadth and depth of his productivity and understanding) noted in his blog yesterday that the Institute of Pure and Applied Mathematics of which he is an incoming Director was impacted by an abrupt suspension of NSF funding to UCLA, and that his personal NSF grant is also currently suspended. (Perhaps not coincidentally, the one posting on Tao's personal blog that strayed into politics back in 2015-2016 was highly critical of Trump).
Concerns about DEI and more generally the inappropriate politicization of U.S. academia are justified and need addressing, but doing so by wholesale slashing and burning of the system seriously damages not just the U.S., but - what deserves much more consideration than it gets these days - the entire human enterprise.
My own opinion is that given that 27% of federal spending is borrowed, and interest on the debt is 23% of federal revenues, "wholesale slashing and burning of the system" is actually in order.
That's at 3.5% interest rate, roughly. Back in the 80's it briefly hit about 15%, if it went back to that 100% of federal revenues would have to be devoted to debt servicing. As it is, just the fact that all of the interest is being borrowed means we're facing exponentially rising debt carrying costs.
So, screw stuff that would be nice to have, at this point the federal government should only be buying existential necessities, it has to shed expenses. We need to reduce federal spending by at least 30% just to stop the situation from getting worse!
Federal science funding is a trivial portion of the total. Until someone is putting entitlements and defense spending on the table (along with actually raising revenue), you can tell that any of their objections to spending that are deficit-related are completely pretextual.
Also: if you don't like the deficit, maybe stop voting for the party that keeps exploding it?
"Federal science funding is a trivial portion of the total. "
That's not how you dare think about things when you're this deep underwater.
"Also: if you don't like the deficit, maybe stop voting for the party that keeps exploding it?"
That would be both of them, in case you hadn't noticed.
"That's not how you dare think about things when you're this deep underwater."
Yes it is. If your mortgage payments are double your income, cutting out your daily latte isn't going to make a difference. If someone in massive debt told you they were trying to fix their budget by entirely focusing on trivial portions of their spending you'd tell them they were an idiot, not praise them for doing the hard work.
"That would be both of them, in case you hadn't noticed."
Nope. Look at the overall results of each Presidency. Democrats consistently decrease the deficit over their Presidencies, and Republicans consistently increase it:
Reagan
1981: $79B
1988: $155B
Bush I:
1989: $153B
1992: $290B
Clinton:
1993: $255B
2000: -$236B (surplus)
Bush II:
2001: -$128B (surplus)
2008: $459B
Obama:
2009: $1.4T
2016: $585B
Trump:
2017: $665B
2020: $3.132T
Biden:
2021: $2.772T
2024: $1.8T
At some point, you can't wish away the pattern.
And funding research likely generated more money for the government ultimately as much of it goes on to be the source for job creating (and tax paying) enterprises and defense breakthroughs.
Yes, that's the usual rationalization, and yet, somehow, the more government spends on it, the bigger the deficit gets. Strange, that.
Briefly going over the numbers, last year we had,
$4.92T in revenue,
$6.75T in spending, of which
$1.13T was interest on the debt.
So, $5.62T in non-interest spending. To get to a balanced budget that non-interest spending would have to be reduced to $3.79T. That wouldn't get us out of the hole, it would just be enough to stop digging deeper.
We need a 1/3 reduction in actual spending at the federal level, just to stop sinking! When cuts that large are necessary, it isn't a matter of separating the worthwhile from the frivolous spending, ALL the frivolous spending needs to go, and a substantial part of what would be worthwhile if you weren't buried in debt.
In short, we are actually in a fiscal emergency situation, even if it's politically dangerous to acknowledge it. And the longer we go on without treating it that way, the worse things get.
Or we could raise taxes.
I assume you also have concerns about ICE's 170 Billion, especially considering that they're shrinking the economy while they're at it?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/08/improving-oversight-of-federal-grantmaking/
"Each agency head shall promptly designate a senior appointee who shall be responsible for creating a process to review new funding opportunity announcements and to review discretionary grants to ensure that they are consistent with agency priorities and the national interest."
This is just a war on science and universities. There is no problem this is solving.
I can't wait to learn who my new Science Kommsar is.
"There is no problem this is solving."
Its putting final grant approval in the hands of a political appointee responsible to the elected executive instead of people like you. That is solving a problem.