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Nothing New Under the Sun, Here as to Rules That Focus on a Defendant's Being Motivated by Ill Will
"[V]ery agreeable to the theorist, but utterly unfit for the practical purposes of society ...."
From Thomas Starkie's 1813 libel law treatise, pp. 199-200 (some paragraph breaks added):
Were every malicious and oppressive act to be considered illegal, the law would be very agreeable to the theorist, but utterly unfit for the practical purposes of society, on account of the infinite perplexity and uncertainty which would occur in distinguishing between bad and good motives, where the act done might arise from either source.
The secret purpose of a man's heart is of too difficult ascertainment to be made the general criterion of legal right or wrong; and hence it is that the law, which must resort to more plain and certain evidence, on which it may found more precise prescriptions, may not unfrequently become the instrument of oppression.
For example: where a creditor, from motives of malice and revenge, and not with a view to his legal remedy, deprives his debtor of liberty; as a matter of conscience the act is criminal and unjustifiable; yet it must be sanctioned and tolerated by the law, in order to avoid consequences most pernicious and absurd; for were it otherwise, a man's security for his debt would depend on the temper and disposition of his mind, upon his motive for becoming a creditor in the first instance, and his reasons for enforcing his claim in the second; and, however pure his intention, he might be deterred from proceeding, by the apprehension of being involved in litigation, upon a suggestion of malice, by his adversary.
And the same kind of reasoning is applicable to the case of slander: it would frequently lead to too nice and critical an investigation, to inquire whether a person, who published words in the course of performing a public duty, was actuated by malice and ill-will, or by conscientious motives; and much inconvenience would arise, were persons to be deterred from the performance of public duties, or from a fair prosecution of their claims, by the apprehension of the liabilities and danger to which they exposed themselves.
Despite this, defamation law in the 1800s and 1900s (at least in America) often allowed a defense of truth only when the statement was found to have been said with "good motives" and for "justifiable ends." It wasn't until Garrison v. Louisiana (1964) when this view was conclusively rejected, at least to statements on matters of public concern:
Debate on public issues will not be uninhibited if the speaker must run the risk that it will be proved in court that he spoke out of hatred; even if he did speak out of hatred, utterances honestly believed contribute to the free interchange of ideas and the ascertainment of truth. Under a rule … permitting a finding of malice based on an intent merely to inflict harm, rather than an intent to inflict harm through falsehood, "it becomes a hazardous matter to speak out against a popular politician, with the result that the dishonest and incompetent will be shielded." Moreover, "[i]n the case of charges against a popular political figure … it may be almost impossible to show freedom from ill-will or selfish political motives."
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Eugene, whatever the value of this article most comments on here will themselves adduce 'bad will" so at best people treat this a news item.
The lawyer profession stinks. Most of its practice is from the 13th Century. You stink. You need to be cancelled. Nothing from that time is acceptable for practice today.
2+2=4 , that goes back to Euclid. Logically your point should be that it never was acceptable. Do truths wear out ?
Are you saying the practice of law is like arithmetic? What practice from the 13th Century would be acceptable today in medicine, in architecture, cathedral building, navigation, agriculture, even pastoral counseling? Why is 80% of the lawyer practice still the same as it was in 1275 AD? This profession has supernatural doctrines. The court looks like a church. The bench looks like an altar. The judge wears clerical robes. The audience stands. It sits. It stands, it sits. One dresses in Sunday suits. One speaks to vile, despicable, scumbag judges in hushed tones, enforced by fat guys with guns. The laws plagiarize the Catholic catechism, word for word. Nothing these judges do or decide has the slightest external validity.
Science is a synonym for repeatability. That is the core meaning of justice as well. The lack of scientific validation violates the Procedural Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment. That applies to tort defendants as well as to criminal defendants. It is not just nice. It is mandatory. Every anti-scientific, garbage decision by the lawyer judge violates the constitution.
Revenge is best enjoyed cold, like Pizza and Beer.
The conversion to text has produced a typo in "For example: where a creditor, from motives of malice and revenge, and net with a view to his legal remedy…" That "net" should be "not."
Whoops, fixed, thanks!
Volokh will fix trivial errors. He is a denier of the supernatural content of his toxic profession. It is 2 times more toxic to this country than organized crime. These garbage, supernatural doctrines are only validated by some fat guys with guns. As a result, every self stated goal of every law subject is in utter failure.
These law subjects are good at one thing. They take in $2 trillion at the point of a gun and deliver nothing of any value. The damage done by organized crime is $1 trillion.
Both enterprises must be cancelled.
In Britain, “Using threatening, abusive or insulting language to rile up racism online is unacceptable and is breaking the law.”
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tory-councillor-s-wife-admits-stirring-up-racial-hatred-after-calling-for-migrant-hotels-to-burn/ar-AA1pR44E
Okay, but where do you discern the difference between "so-and-so riled up racism" and "so-and-so-2 used that language as an excuse , citing racism of that language as his excuse" ?
I text something about how perverted homosexuality is in the Bible and YOU say that's abusive and insulting?"
"In the tweet, she questioned why the Finnish Lutheran Church was officially supporting Finland's Pride week. The attached photograph contained verses from the Bible which appear to describe homosexual acts as shameful."
THose are facts and should result in a law case against the gay bastard that went after her.
Paavi Rasanen: Finnish MP in Bible hate speech trial
24 January 2022
Päivi Räsänen has served as a member of the Finnish Parliament since 1995, and was Minister of the Interior from 2011-2015. She is a medical doctor, mother of five children, and has eleven grandchildren.
So any positive comments about homosexuality could just be efforts to avoid jail time.
There’s yet another reason. Whenever we disagree with others, we are all too quick to conclude that the only reason they could possibly take the position that they do is out of ill will. Ever since Calhoun proclaimed that it’s obvious to all that abolitionists are motivated only by hatred, we’ve been very biased in our judgments of people who disagree with us.
Or for that matter, people who are simply in our way. When business is going poorly, it’s remarkable how many employees suddenly become poor performers with bad attitudes compared to when times are good.
Yet that usually means something else when the legality of something is established. In this way homosexuality and abortion are just like slavery.
Lincoln said "They don't want us to admit it's legal they demand we say it is good" And that is why everybody loves Lincoln , he could see through the excuses of perversion and evil
Lincoln was the very worst President in history. Where gays or lawyers govern, they choose tyranny. The Nazi Party was an all gay affair, up to the very top. Lincoln is in an orbit of badness alone and 10 times worse than the next very worst.
Mr. "Please, Do Not Sue Your Neighbor" chose war, over alternatives to ending slavery. He invented the income tax, the military draft. He blew up the size of central goverment. He suspended habeus corpus. He probably killed a million Americans after injuries are considered. He delayed the resolution of racial hatred by 100 years. Lincoln was an unmitigated lawyer catastrophe to this nation.
A lot of people seem to think that Lincoln was a great President, and maybe the greatest. I wonder how they would respond to you.