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More on Coercion in Mahmoud
Implications for the Ten Commandments cases
Some quick thoughts occasioned by Josh Blackman's post on coercion in Mahmoud v. Taylor, last Term's parental rights case.
As readers will recall, Mahmoud held that a Maryland school district violated the Free Exercise Clause when it rescinded an opt-out policy that had allowed parents to have their children excused from elementary school lessons featuring LGBTQ+-inclusive storybooks. The Court reasoned that the storybooks, along with classroom discussions that encouraged teachers to reinforce their messages, imposed psychological pressure on students to accept a normative view of sexuality—one that directly conflicted with the religious teachings the parents sought to instill. That pressure, the majority concluded, amounted to a substantial burden on the parents' religious exercise.
In a post yesterday, I noted what seemed like an ideological reversal in the case. In the school prayer context—for example, Kennedy v. Bremerton School District—it's typically progressives who emphasize the dangers of subtle coercion and impressionable students, while conservatives downplay those concerns. In Mahmoud, the roles flipped. The conservative majority focused on the psychological pressure placed on young children by state-endorsed messaging, while the progressive justices appeared less troubled by that dynamic.
So which side is being inconsistent? Perhaps both are simply responding to context. Or perhaps the concept of "coercion" is more manipulable than either side tends to admit.
Josh offers one way to reconcile Mahmoud and Kennedy: by distinguishing between pressure on students' religious beliefs versus their non-religious beliefs. Under this reading, Mahmoud bars the state from pressuring students to abandon religious teachings, but Kennedy permits exposure to religious ideas, even if the state implicitly favors them, so long as there's no coercion into belief.
I wonder if another, simpler distinction might do more work: the age of the students involved. Mahmoud concerned very young children—kindergarten through fifth grade—who are especially vulnerable to subtle cues from teachers. Kennedy, by contrast, involved high school students, who, in theory at least, are better equipped to resist classroom pressure—or have already learned to tune out much of what their teachers say. In other words, the Court might be drawing an implicit line based not just on the nature of the message but on the susceptibility of the audience.
Josh also rightly highlights a doctrinal frontier: the Ten Commandments display cases currently working their way through the lower courts. These raise hard questions for conservatives post-Mahmoud. In Stone v. Graham (1980), the Court struck down a classroom display of the Ten Commandments under the Lemon test. But since Kennedy, Lemon is out, and the Court has instructed lower courts to apply a "history and tradition" framework to Establishment Clause claims.
Even under that revised test, though, the state may not coerce religious belief. And if Mahmoud teaches that distributing LGBTQ+-affirming storybooks to elementary schoolers is too coercive, might a Ten Commandments display in the same setting pose a similar problem?
Courts may try to draw a line between passive and active messaging. One possible distinction appears in the European Court of Human Rights' decision in Lautsi v. Italy (2011), which upheld the display of crucifixes in public school classrooms. The Court reasoned that crucifixes were "passive symbols" and unlikely to indoctrinate students, unlike formal instruction. U.S. courts might adopt a similar distinction here. In Mahmoud, teachers were not just presenting material; they were encouraged to affirm the books' messages and correct students who disagreed. A silent wall display may strike courts as less coercive.
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There’s a simpler distinction, at least on the conservative side. Kennedy was acting in a purely private capacity, and did not in any way represent the school district. Whereas the teachers in Mahmoud were following official, written School Board policy.
The Establishment Clause is only triggered when there’s state action. In Kennedy, there was no state action. In Mahmoud, there was state action. It’s that simple.
I think that's an artificial distinction. He is employed by the school district and acting in the capacity of his employment. Who is a state actor other than the people employed in those roles?
Could a teacher lead a voluntary prayer before the school day by declaring that she is not acting in the role of teacher for the next 3 minutes, but as a private citizen praying and the class may join her?
Should he hold up one hand when he is a state actor and the other when a private citizen?
Before the school day? Yes, I think that would (or at least, should) be upheld as a private act and not an act in a public role. I'd even defend an entirely voluntary prayer held for high-schoolers during a study hall.
Even in the army, you do not give up all your private rights when you accept a public salary. They are diminished, not abrogated.
But I disagree with ReaderY because age still matters to the perception of whether the act is in a private vs public capacity. Adults and high-schoolers have a far more advanced ability to make that distinction than elementary schoolers.
I don't agree with the school prayer cases. But if we are following them, it makes no sense to say that a teacher can't lead the class in prayer but then turn around and say that the teacher can put on a funny hat, declare that she is now a private citizen, lead the class in prayer, and then take off the funny hat and become a teacher again.
Likewise, I don't understand the before/during class distinction. What is constitutional at 7:58 a.m. becomes unconstitutional at 8:00 a.m.?
The distinction to me is that students are compelled to be in class at 8:00 but not compelled to be in the classroom at 7:58.
Class starts at 8. Students need to be in their seats by 7:50 (there's typically an alert bell).
I'd argue very strongly that any time after the alert bell should be prohibited. If I have to be in a seat by 8 am I shouldn't have to walk through a teachers prayer to be on time. All the while getting the teachers side eye and raising the teachers ire.
The dissenters in Kennedy certainly thought it was an artificial distinction. But the majority found otherwise. It was why Kennedy won. The whole point of the case according to the majority was that Kennedy’s prayer on the football field was merely a “personal religious observance,” private action and not state action. And absent state action, there is no Establishment Clause claim.
Kennedy stood squarely for the proposition that the presence or absence of state action is determined solely by how lawyers perceive things. The way schoolchildren perceive them is completely irrelevant.
The questions you are asking, and Rossami’s argument, are exactly the sorts of things the dissent said. But they didn’t win.
I realize that. I think it is a bad look. They should attack the school prayer cases frontally instead of trying this end around which is IMHO not very principled or sensible.
I agree with another poster that he does not stop being the football coach because the clock reads 00:00. To hinge the constitutionality of something based on this artificial distinction creates a confused jurisprudence.
Private religious observance right on the 50 yard line, with participation *wink wink nudge nudge* not tied to playing time.
The whole point of the case according to the majority was that Kennedy’s prayer on the football field was merely a “personal religious observance,” private action and not state action. And absent state action, there is no Establishment Clause claim.
A "personal religious observance" that he felt that he had to do in the middle of a football stadium while many of the people that had been there to watch the game would still be there to see it. He was also still the football coach at that time, "on the clock", as a district employee. The duties of a coach end when every player has left the facility, and the coach has also completed any storing of equipment or other after-game clean up that was his responsibility.
The majority in that case bent over backwards like a circus contortionist to see this in the most favorable light for Kennedy.
Also, from Gorsuch's majority opinion,
In its correspondence with Mr. Kennedy, the District never raised coercion concerns. To the contrary, the District conceded in a public 2015 document that there was “no evidence that students [were] directly coerced to pray with Kennedy."
If you take that at face value you might not see any omission of relevant information. The school district said that there was no evidence that students were "directly coerced" to join Kennedy in a public display of piety [emphasis mine]. Did Gorsuch think that we don't know that indirect pressure can matter greatly to teenagers? Clearly, the indirect pressure doesn't have to be applied through Kennedy to be coercive. When enough players (or enough of the best and most popular players) are joining in the prayer, there is substantial peer pressure to join the prayer that Kennedy is modeling.
Kennedy stood squarely for the proposition that the presence or absence of state action is determined solely by how lawyers perceive things. The way schoolchildren perceive them is completely irrelevant.
Yeah, and the perception of judges that have been on a mission to weaken Establishment Clause precedent for decades is even more important in determining the outcome.
The Court did not seem to think it was an artificial distinction in Kennedy:
That being said, it could still be the case that state speech such as Ten Commandments is permissible as not being coercive, and I expect this Court to conclude it is not.
Oh, I agree that this majority on the Court will conclude that a poster that starts with: "I am the Lord thy God...Thou shalt have no other gods before me" is not at all coercive.
Kennedy was acting in a purely private capacity,
No he wasn't. The football coach doesn't stop being the football coach the second the game ends. If he merely wanted to pray in private he could have done so in his office, or even (shudder) wait until he got home.
I agree that he wasn't acting in his private capacity. However, I see no reason why he should have to hide his religious beliefs or wait until he gets home to exercise them.
He was leading students in prayer. Is that OK with you?
...on the 50-yard line, which Gorsuch pretended was private.
He was not "leading" in the compulsory military sense. Students were not required to follow. An invitation is not a demand, which would be necessary to evoke the establishment clause.
The football coach doesn't stop being the football coach the second the game ends.
True, but irrelevant. Determining the distinction between public and private actions is as simple as considering whether the action was coercive or persuasive. A governmental actor is expressly prohibited from religious coercion by the establishment clause, but every citizen is expressly permitted religious persuasion as his natural right to free speech and free exercise.
Teachers do not abrogate their natural rights when they walk onto school grounds.
Once again, I see lawyers arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
Thomas Jefferson, in his letter to the Danbury Baptist Association, spoke of “building a wall of separation between Church & State." I bring that up not as an argument for it against religion in schools but to paraphrase.
To paraphrase, I ask a rhetorical question of why people do not demand a wall of separation between education and state?
In On Liberty, J. S. Mill argued that a government monopoly on education “would be a despotism over the mind,” stifling diversity of thought and turning education into a tool of social control.
State schooling is inherently coercive, prone to indoctrination, and incompatible with a free society.
A true commitment to liberty demands that we treat education not as a tool of the state, but as a natural extension of family, conscience, and community. Just as we reject government control over religion to preserve freedom of belief, so too must we reject state control over education to preserve freedom of thought. The philosophical foundations make clear education flourishes not under compulsion, but through voluntary association, pluralism, and decentralization. A wall of separation between education and state is not a rejection of learning, but a defense of liberty. It is time to entrust the formation of young minds to those with the greatest moral right and personal interest in their flourishing: families, communities, and free individuals—not bureaucracies or ideologues. Only then can education reflect the diversity, creativity, and independence that a free society requires.
Thomas Jefferson supported public education.
https://www.monticello.org/the-art-of-citizenship/the-role-of-education/
He, of all people who distrusted government, should have damned well known better. Nobody's perfect.
Jefferson served many positions in government & wrote that governments are established to secure our rights.
That question is not in dispute. As I said, I am paraphrasing Jefferson and showing the source from which I paraphrased. I never suggested this quote as a support for my assertions.
I tend to agree with this: separate both church & state and school & state; but the problem I have with the libertarian ideology that I myself endorse is that it's too utopian in principle and doesn't represent the world in which we live.
We are always living in a 2nd best world of "what's the proper libertarian option to push for here, given what's on the table?" Often times, it's nothing. Hence why I'm happy to be a "political atheist" (after René Girard) as well.
And btw, I am a tenured professor at a government college. It's a nice job and I'm happy to have it. If that makes me a hypocrite, IDGAF. Though, if not me, then someone else who is probably not a libertarian would likely have the position; so it's nice to have a bit of representation there.
And yet, justices who believe that students SHOULD be indoctrinated with pro-LGBQT ideas will vote to allow just that.
And when it comes time to rule on allowing passive Christian ideas, they will vote to disallow that.
Not sure we could imagine the conservatives voting that any actual Christian indoctrination is allowable.
The situation isn't symmetric.
Why does the state teach anything that isn't fact based? Teach reading, writing, math, geography, hard science, historical dates and historical records. Philosophy, psychology and social studies as electives only. Teaching beliefs and assumptions is religious whether it is Martin Luther, Marx, or Freud.
I find it hard to take a claim seriously that the mere posting of the Ten Commandments on the wall is an affront to someone's religious beliefs as the teachings in Mahmoud.
There might be a superficial gotcha there, but not a serious one. The TC is a foundational legal and historical document which contains mostly religion neutral teachings like don't kill or steal. To the extent that it doesn't (no other Gods, no graven images) it is not posted in a proselytizing manner to demand that kids worship the Judeo-Christian God.
Are teachers really going to point to the document to demand that kids stop making graven images?
mostly religion neutral teaching
Thirty or forty percent (depending on the version) directly involve rules about God. That already doesn't quite seem like "mostly."
The commandment about parents originally referenced God, though it is often edited out (“Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you.").
The whole thing are "commandments" set forth by God.
not posted in a proselytizing manner to demand that kids worship the Judeo-Christian God.
The recent Texas law, for instance, required this particular religious document to be "conspicuously placed" in each classroom.
School children as young as five years old will see commandments about properly worshiping a specific deity. Quoting from a Judeo-Christian scripture. Legislators regularly provide evangelical reasons for such laws.
The government is directly endorsing sectarian religious doctrine, editing holy scripture that different faiths disagree upon. It is not merely teaching something that religious faiths disagree with. This involves something people think was handed down by God.
Why is it being posted?
There’s a reason the State of Texas isn’t requiring the posting of the Four Noble Truths in a conspicuous place.
Yes, because hardly anyone in Texas cares about that stuff.
Right. Which indicates that the 10 commandments requirement isn't simply about historical interest.
The majority did not just rest on the age of the child & it is unclear how young is too young. Do we think that parents of sixth graders, for instance, won't raise comparable claims?
Also, these things are applied somewhat inconsistently. Consider Good News Club v. Milford Central School. Some people argued that religious instruction in public schools right after the bell would more likely confuse young children than teenagers.
Teenagers were mature enough to understand that a religious club was not endorsed by the school. A six-year-old would not understand that. It was more likely an endorsement of religion problem.
The majority in Good News did not accept the age of the elementary children allowed the school to treat things differently.
The argument that "passive" displays are different has some backing in case law. I don't think that is a good ground to allow the posting of the Ten Commandments in public school classrooms.
But Alito and company might not agree.
I think the better analogy would be Mahmoud with the facts changed where say the female teacher had a picture of her wedding to another woman on her desk. No commentary, just the picture.
If a parent objected on religious grounds, at least I would argue that the picture is far too attenuated to be considered an assault on religious beliefs or otherwise "indoctrination."
I view the TC in the same way.
This doesn't seem to address the core of my concern about how selective and arbitrary "age specific" rules are.
You are talking about the breadth of the burden generally speaking. Stone v. Graham doesn't allow TCs in high school classrooms or something, for instance.
Teachers also regularly talk about their spouses and families. A student might ask what the picture is. They in some positive fashion speak about the picture in a way typically done.
Others listen. They talk about their parents, including some student who has two daddies. Some classmate makes a rude remark. The teacher says, "that isn't nice." Not an "assault" either.
I can agree with all of that.
Well, except for Stone v. Graham. That case was decided based on Lemon. It's foundation is one of sand and it has no continuing validity.
Regardless of the subject, if so many parents object to the curriculum that the school district claims it cannot provide space for all those students to opt out, perhaps that particular class should not be taught.
Posting Pride flags is much more offensive than the Ten Commandments. A TC poster is mostly of historical interests, and none of the major religions object to it. But Pride flags comes with woke messages and indoctrination. Teachers very much push pro-LGBTQ messages, as early as kindergarten. These messages are contrary to the teachings of most of the major religions.
A message like "gay people exist?"
The intended messages of Pride flag is not just that gay people exist. Look at what the advocates say.
Accept us for who we are and treat us with the dignity and respect that all humans deserve?
No, the schools should not be teaching such propaganda.
It's propaganda to teach people that humans are deserving of respect?
It seems a little silly to imagine that other religions would not object to "I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt have no other gods before me", which seems like it would be a problem for religions that, you know, don't think that.
"In Mahmoud, teachers were not just presenting material; they were encouraged to affirm the books' messages and correct students who disagreed."
If the only sources for this assertion are Blackman, the Supreme Court justices in the majority and the usual nutjob amici, I'm highly skeptical of this sentence.
Look at the arguments from the school district, for why they would not let anyone opt out. The school very much argued that all students must be fully indoctrinated.