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Florida Can Forbid Transgender High School Math Teacher From Using Feminine Pronouns to Refer to Herself in Class, 11th Circuit Says
The appeals court vacated a preliminary injunction that had been based on her First Amendment rights
In a case of first impression, a split panel of the Eleventh Circuit decided today that a transgender high school teacher's speech rights were not violated when the state of Florida required her not to refer to herself in class by her preferred feminine pronouns ("she," "her," "hers") or honorifics ("Ms.," "Mrs.," "Miss") (See also Eugene's post about the decision below.)
From the majority opinion, here is the background:
Katie Wood teaches algebra at a public high school in Florida. Wood was born a biological male but now identifies as a woman. After transitioning in 2020, Wood began using the honorific "Ms." and the gendered pronouns "she," "her," and "hers." Importantly for present purposes, she wrote "Ms. Wood" and "she/her" on her classroom whiteboard and syllabi, she identified herself as "Ms. Wood" in her communications with students, and she wore a pin that said "she/her." Then, in 2023, Florida enacted Fla. Stat. § 1000.071, which states, in pertinent part, that "[a]n employee or contractor of a public K-12 educational institution may not provide to a student his or her preferred personal title or pronouns if such preferred personal title or pronouns do not correspond to his or her sex." Fla. Stat. § 1000.071(3).
In practice, if she used any pronouns or honorifics in class to refer to herself, Florida required her to use masculine ones. That is, it required her to misgender herself. If that's not quite the same thing as compelled speech because she could try to avoid using any pronouns or honorifics, it's the next worst thing. The majority continued:
Wood sued, challenging § 1000.071(3)'s constitutionality. In particular, she sought to enjoin enforcement of the statute on the ground that it violated her First Amendment right to free speech. The district court granted her request for a preliminary injunction. In so doing, the court held that Wood had shown a substantial likelihood of success on the merits of her First Amendment challenge. As relevant here, the court grounded its holding on the premise that when Wood used the identifiers "Ms.," "she," "her," and "hers" in interactions with students, she spoke not as a government employee but rather as a private citizen. See Wood v. Fla. Dep't of Educ., 729 F. Supp. 3d 1255, 1279 (N.D. Fla. 2024). That was so, the court reasoned, because her preferred honorific and pronouns "owe[their] existence not to her professional responsibilities as a math teacher, but instead to her identity as a woman—an identity that remains true to Ms. Wood both inside and outside the classroom." Id. Having concluded that Wood spoke as a citizen, the court went on to hold that her speech touched on a "matter of public concern" and that her interest in expressing herself outweighed the state's interest in promoting workplace efficiency. Id. at 1279–84.
The majority did not itself misgender the plaintiff. But it held that Florida was not required to extend this basic courtesy to her, even when she referred to herself. The majority reasoned as follows:
When a public-school teacher speaks "in the course of performing [her] job"—i.e., "speaking to [her] class in [her] classroom during class hours," Johnson, 658 F.3d at 967—she does so pursuant to her official duties and therefore speaks as a government employee, not a citizen. The speech at issue here—in which Wood verbally provided her preferred honorific and pronouns, wrote them on her whiteboard and syllabi, and wore a "she/her" pin—fits that description precisely….
To be sure, as the dissent correctly notes, the relevant caselaw—both our own and our sister circuits'—expressly permits government regulation of a teacher's curricular speech. But the inverse—that the First Amendment forbids regulation of a teacher's in-class noncurricular speech—doesn't follow.
I think that's right as far as it goes: it can't be the case that the First Amendment categorically protects any and all noncurricular teacher speech in the curricular setting. But that doesn't mean it's open season on all noncurricular speech in the curricular setting.
The dissent rebutted the majority's conclusion that the teacher's use of personal pronouns is fully regulable because it is necessarily government speech that happens in the classroom:
[A] teacher's preferred personal title and pronouns simply do not bear any of the
characteristics of government speech. Personal titles and pronouns have not traditionally been used to convey a government message; there is no evidence that the public associates them with the government; and they are not manufactured, owned, or designed by the government…To the extent that Florida tries to shoehorn the use of preferred personal titles and pronouns into the curricular bucket, that attempt fails. The Supreme Court has generally defined a school's curriculum as activities or matters that are "supervised by faculty members and designed to impart particular knowledge or skills to student participants and audiences." Hazelwood Sch. Dist. v. Kuhlmeier, 484 U.S. 260, 271 (1988). A teacher's preferred personal title and pronouns simply do not fit into this understanding….
We should be wary of holding that everything that happens in a classroom constitutes government speech outside the ambit of the First Amendment. Those who wield the power of the government today and are on one side of the gender and culture wars will be the ones at risk of being compelled to speak against their beliefs, or silenced, when their opponents are in charge. Today's opinion
will then not look as attractive.
The dissent next asserted that the Florida law amounts to viewpoint discrimination:
The statute at issue here, § 1000.071(3), has nothing to do with curriculum and everything to do with Florida attempting to silence those with whom it disagrees on the matter of transgender identity and status. Florida cannot justify its viewpoint discrimination by relying on the very reason that such discrimination is constitutionally suspect—that it gets to decide what speech is permissible (the speech it likes) and what speech is prohibited (the speech it disagrees with).
I'm not sure it's quite right that the Florida law is viewpoint discrimination, although the statute does label the prohibited speech as "false." But it's certainly a form of content-based speech regulation. Under it, the teacher may use the state's approved pronouns to refer to herself but not the disapproved ones. The dissent concluded:
The First Amendment I know, despite its many different (and sometime dizzying) doctrinal lines, would at least require some judicial scrutiny, some balancing of interests, before Florida is allowed to discriminate on the basis of viewpoint. By mistakenly characterizing a teacher's use of her preferred title and pronouns in the classroom as government speech, the majority has foreclosed any meaningful First Amendment review of § 1000.071(3). That is unfortunate, and I respectfully dissent.
My initial reaction is that the dissent overall has the better of the argument.
As I piece together the legal landscape in these fraught times for transgender people and for free speech, putting this decision together with decisions like Meriwether v. Hartop (6th Cir. 2021) (concluding a college professor had a free speech right to misgender his students), it seems school teachers have a First Amendment right against state policy to misgender their students in the classroom but have no First Amendment right against state policy not to misgender themselves in the classroom. And I don't think the differences between the outcome in this decision and the outcome in Meriwether can be chalked up to the differences between the high school and college settings. In fact, the regulatory interests of the state may have been greater in Meriwether because that case did not deal only with the speaker's own dignitary and expressive interests but directly involved the dignitary interests of the third parties (the students) he was addressing, a factor the Sixth Circuit did not even consider.
I teach my students that free speech protects the rights of high schools students to form LGBT students groups and Christian ones, that protection against compelled speech allows people to salute the flag and to refuse to salute (or even to burn) it, and that it protects them when they come out as gay or as evangelical. Laws like the one in Florida, and decisions like the Eleventh Circuit's, complicate that story of evenhandedness and hinder the protection of currently unpopular opinion.
(HT: Casey Pick for alerting me to the decision.)
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"Florida Can Require High School Math Teacher to Misgender Herself in Class..."
Why the question-begging? Maybe they're preventing him from misgendering himself.
School especially pregraduate and math classes are supposed to teach objective facts. Nobody would complain if he was forbidden from teaching that 1+1=3 so why should he be allowed to lie and say he's a woman when he's a male? And especially since its not even related to the subject matter so why bring it up?
Hi, Dale. The Paraclete of Caborga, here. I expect you to recognize my humanity and to address me as such. Can you stop using the feminine pronoun when referring to a guy with a dick? It makes you look stupid. Why do law books sound stupid, always using the feminine pronoun? We know the majority of the people subject to legal actions are male. You lawyers sound stupid. Indeed, the $trillion you take from us is mostly from male productivity. Stop sounding so stupid.
You’re responding to Amos, not Dale. Stop sounding so stupid.
Mali. You will be more respectful of the mediator between the visible and invisible worlds.
You’re on the wrong side of history. Paraclete rights are human rights. Respect my existence or expect resistance.
Not sure that 1+1 =3 is an entirely apt analogy. Cos it’s definitely wrong.
But let’s say a determined group of people set about using and encouraging the use of “n****r” to mean “a brilliant dude or dudette” so that when someone scores a three pointer or aces her law exam, they go “N****r !” by way of praise.
But a school thinks that this is very much a minority usage and the majority usage is derogatory and racist. So they tell the teaching staff not to employ the new usage as it might annoy some students. Or even if it doesn’t annoy them maybe it will confuse them and risk them adopting it to their later disadvantage.
Does a teacher have a 1A right to say - nah I get to pick my usage, not you ?
I mean, the entire point of the case and this post is the difference between curricular and non-curricular speech. Way to completely misunderstand that.
Yeah! That's the point! It's not even related to the subject matter!
Yes, the teacher is the one doing the misgendering, and he was trying to make his students misgender him also.
Nice! An accurate use of "question begging"!
Fully within the Constitution for the government/school district to be discourteous dicks. I hope they're happy.
Funny you should refer to that particularly piece of defining male anatomy since the teacher in question should also have one. Because he’s male. By definition. Unless he’s had it lopped off.
He'd still be male. I imagine at least some soldiers occasionally lose their dicks in battle. That doesn't turn them into females.
I said it yesterday, I'll say it again today: I can sort of see expecting people to say they see five fingers when you have electrodes strapped to their genitals and the switch in your hand, but expecting them to say they see five fingers when you threaten to say they're being "discourteous"?
You're overestimating how much people value your opinion.
You're no expert in the area, you've just decided it's very very important to your personal integrity to be a dick.
There's a similar kind of self-image-requires-antisocial-performativeness thing on the left about calling out 'injustice.' They're the kind of people driven to reply to a post liking bacon that pigs are smart and some people have gout how could you be so insensistive.
That kind of tiresome self-importance is bipartisan, and you're doing a great job being the guy on the right side of that set.
At least you don't interact with trans people.
As much as I despise the sanctimony from the left, I'll take it over MAGA's taunting, self-congratulatory cruelty.
"You're no expert in the area, you've just decided it's very very important to your personal integrity to be a dick."
Why were you so willing to be a dick to Racheal Dolezal, Sarcastro?
fwiw - sacastro has a serious mental problem with anyone who uses logic and common sense. Notice that there is nothing in his reply to Brett that adresses Brett's point. Sarcastro's response is just one of his many immature inane illogical rants.
I think he's overestimating people's willingness to be courteous.
Give us a valid and logical reason the school district should allow a teacher to state false facts. The teacher in question is male, and the teacher should not address himself as female when he is in fact a male.
Its not a question of discourteous or what ever term you wish to use. Its a question of whether it is appropriate in a school setting to presenting false facts to the students.
How is this not Bostock and sex discrimination? If this biological male were biological female then the person would be permitted to use female pronouns and titles.
He's not entitled to be treated like a woman because he's objectively not a woman...duh.
A minor gets a much more lenient sentence than an adult would for certain crimes. Should I have the right to be able to feel like I'm a minor and commit these crimes and skate?
Just identify as age 7. Get that murder charge dropped.
I identify as rich. I expect everyone to send me money so I can transition to great wealth.
That opinion does not address wvattorney's comment.
It would not be covered by Bostock because this is an EP issue, not a Title VII issue. Alito argues the EP requires either men or women to be disfavored as a group. That's not settled law and I find the counter argument that the EP goes to the individual compelling.
This case ought to trigger intermediate scrutiny and is easily distinguished from Skrmetti.
The teacher's employment is not covered by Title VII? Are there no provisions at this workplace that prohibit discrimination "because of...sex"? Was it just a pleading requirement?
This seems like Bostock all the way, or at least Gorsuch would have to expound upon it. Change the sex, the disfavored treatment goes away.
What part of 'Florida' do you not understand?
Bostock only went as far as saying if you are fired for being trans, you a Title VII claim. What isn't clear from the law is what penalty attaches if the teacher does not comply. But yes, Title VII could easily apply depending on how the law is enforced.
I have no idea what Longtobefree's "Florida" comment means.
No; there's no way to read Bostock that narrowly. Title VII applies to any adverse employment action, not merely termination. (I therefore agree with you that the application of Title VII here would depend on exactly what the school did to this teacher for violating this law. The statute says "(5) The State Board of Education may adopt rules to administer this section." But I don't know whether it has done so, let alone what said rules might say.)
I think you've answered your own question.
"Personal titles and pronouns have not traditionally been used to convey a government message;"
How is this true? At least in my experience, schools have required students to address teachers by title and last name in order to convey the proper respect for the teacher.
And the government can certainly require teachers to use titles and pronouns based on sex in order to convey its viewpoint that people should properly use titles and pronouns based on sex. I mean, schools have required teachers to convey their viewpoint on proper use of language as long as there have been schools.
this also allows the government to do the opposite - require teachers and students to use preferred gender pronouns. I thought conservatives were against pronoun policing as compelled speech?
I don't think anybody argues that government employees can't be compelled do the speech necessary to do their job.
I would argue that schools should require teachers to use pronouns based on sex because that's the norm we want to set as a policy matter.
it may be the norm you want to set. 🙂 I personally have the opposite preferences, though as a (left) libertarian I wouldn't want to compel others to use my pronouns.
but we both seem to agree that the court's decision is neutral to the policy, and that they'd uphold compelled use of gender pronouns in school if that was the policy instead.
“left libertarian” is an empty set.
“Left” requires by definition a substantial degree of authoritarianism in matters relating to economics.
To avoid the obvious contradiction you should call yourself a “trans libertarian” gradually fading out the trans bit so you can just be a “libertarian” who just happens to have an authoritarian “penis” - ie a set of taxes and regulations to prevent folk making their own economic decisions.
So on the reverse situation, say a student refusing to refer to a teacher’s preferred pronoun or a teacher refusing to use a student’s preferred pronoun you think it would be legally correct for pro-trans school authorities to force them to use the preferred pronouns?
The student is a harder question, since they are not government employees and the state af their first amendment rights is in flux.
I think the school can require the teacher to address students however it chooses.
As Prof. Carpenter points out, though, teachers have sued and prevailed for being forced to do that.
Likely yes for teachers and no for students. Teachers are government employees and their own-the-job speech can be regulated. I'm persuaded how a teacher addresses a student is on-the-job speech, even though it is not part of the curricula. Students aren't government employees and while they can be compelled to answer questions in class, I would think most anything that goes beyond curricula-related speech that does not disrupt the class or is obscene would be protected speech.
How is not part of the curriculum - Its an objective biological fact that the teacher in question is male. The teacher in question is wanting to convey a false biological fact.
It may not be part of the math teachers subset of his curriculum, but science and biology is part of the schools curriculum and therefore is directly related curriculum for the entire school.
The teacher is conveying her gender identity, not her sex (which she knows is male).
RBG wantabe - using false but preferred pronouns is lying about biological facts. Lying and/or misrepresenting biological facts is not a good idea in any setting, especially in a school setting by a teacher.
Would this extend to pronunciation of names? A school district wishing to convey the message that English pronunciation is proper could compel a student or teacher named Jaime to not pronounce their own name as Hy-meh as is common in Spanish?
Teacher? Yes. Student? Unclear.
A teacher can be forced to pronounce their own name in a pronunciation they themselves don’t use? Names are very fundamental to personal identity and expression. This suggests pretty much no speech rights on the part of a government employee, I’m not sure the caselaw supports that conclusion.
It seems like the first issue for people wanting teachers to conform to their biological sex would be dress/appearance. If they're allowing a male teacher to dress as a female, but then have to be addressed as Mr. X, that seems quite incongruent. But maybe they aren't allowing that either. Obviously, there could be cases where the dress and personal grooming would be ambiguous, too.
enforcing gender conformance in dress codes would squarely violate Bostock, not to mention Pricewaterhouse. maybe the Court will overturn Bostock but the same nine Justices decided it only five years ago.
Technically, only 8 of the current Justices decided it, as KBJ has replaced Breyer since SCOTUS ruled (though it seems unlikely that she would rule differently from Breyer on this)
The court didn't say the teacher had to be addressed a particular way, only that the teacher could not tell the students "my pronouns are..." or "address me as..." or "my name is Ms ...".
A dude in a dress is going to be incongruent no matter the form of address;). Almost none of these guys 'pass'.
Many of these dudes are fine with that - they know and accept that not everyone shares their self-image - but you don't hear about them because they're the ones just getting on with life and not trying to push this everywhere.
Here's the thing: Pronouns and honorifics communicate objective information about the subject. Sex, marital status, educational accomplishment, job. Objective information has a truth value, and the state as an employer can require that its employees not use them to communicate false information.
A dress or haircut does not have a truth value, while it may informally communicate something, that something can't formally be a lie.
It's a legitimate pedagogical goal of the state in maintaining an educational system, that said system not teach students that it's acceptable to lie about objective facts. And that's what a male teacher who insists on being referred to as "her" is doing: Teaching that it's OK to lie about one's sex.
Even if they are genuinely delusional, and believe the lie, the students aren't delusional, and that's the message they'll get if the state tolerates it: "It's OK to lie about these things."
The teacher is conveying her gender identity, not her sex (which she knows is male).
I am curious whether this particular school/school district has a rule requiring students to address teachers with a traditional honorific (Mr. or Ms.), or does it allow them to address them by first name if the teacher permits? And does it allow for alternative honorifics like Coach, Teacher, Maestro?
This struck me as well. Presumably, there're times when a student must refer to the teacher by courtesy title and name (Mr. Smith, Ms. Jones, etc.), or else engage in cumbersome circumlocutions.
Had the court decided in Wood's favor, would a student be compelled to use a teacher's preferred title and pronouns, or face discipline for not doing so? This would seem to amount to compelled speech by the student, and a violation of First Amendment rights for those whose religion teaches that pronouns, titles, etc., should follow chromosomal sex.
Even if the school didn't have a policy requiring students to abide by the teacher's preferred gender, a student might well be torn between the demands of their religious beliefs and their fear of arousing the teacher's ire.
Regression to the mean. We just lived through four years+ of a degenerate freak show, now things are moving back to Normal.
Is it normal to capitalize normal?
As normal as it is to capitalize Black, I guess.
Yes, and it will take a bunch more decisions like this.
First off, once you put something in the syllabus, you're automatically speaking as a teacher, not as a citizen. What do you think a syllabus even is?
Second, not all noncurricular speech is the same. You want to talk about your favorite "matter of public concern" (how you, personally, would like to be referred to is surely a matter of public concern, right?) in the faculty lounge? Sure, go ahead. On your Facebook page? Go for it. In the classroom, during class time, when you're being paid to teach, and when any student who tries to leave will be considered truant? Not so much. I don't think you have a First Amendment right to speak in your capacity as a citizen to a captive audience of minors.
First off, once you put something in the syllabus, you're automatically speaking as a teacher, not as a citizen. What do you think a syllabus even is?
A teacher's name remains personal even if it is in the author's line of the syllabus. The school didn't assign the name. They assigned the syllabus. The name is the teacher's. As is the pronoun and title.
I don't think you have a First Amendment right to speak in your capacity as a citizen to a captive audience of minors.
A person doesn't have any 1A right to use their preferred name in class? A woman, for instance, can't use their maiden name?
But that isn't even the only issue. It is that some people have the right to use their preferred pronoun and title while others do not.
There are some limits to content and viewpoint discrimination in classrooms. If Florida said only Republicans could use "Mrs.," it would be problematic.
"A teacher's name remains personal even if it is in the author's line of the syllabus."
I don't see why they couldn't require the teacher to put a name on the syllabus that's consistent with the name he uses in other contexts.
Principal: Some of the students are confused, Mr. Smith. You introduce yourself to students as Mr. Smith, but you put Mr. Johnson on your syllabus, and the students don't know who that is. Can you please be consistent?
Mr. Smith: Get your boot off my neck, tyrant!
presumably the plaintiff uses the name Katie in all contexts, since it's her legal name and she's openly transgender. it would be very hard to argue that Florida could prevent her from using her legal name.
Right, I'm proposing a hypo to show that the name that the teacher uses on the syllabus can be regulated by the school.
Let’s say the school authorities think divorce is wrong and a divorced teacher has her name legally go back to their maiden name, you’re good with the school requiring her to use her married name?
Unclear about the meaning of "legally" changing one's name?
Yes, it's his legal name, so he's entitled to use it. And it would be hard to argue that he can't be allowed to use it in school, though I suppose if he'd (Probably in some other jurisdiction than Florida, of course!) gotten his name changed to something obscene, and was teaching very young children, you could probably make a case.
What is the source of this "entitlement," other than Brettlaw?
A teacher called Mr Smith choosing to call himself “Mr Johnson” in class ?
I think there’s a problem there.
The name is the teacher's, sure, but when they put that name in the syllabus they're speaking as a school employee. You do not get to speak in your capacity as a citizen on the syllabus. That is not a place for citizens to speak. "Freedom of speech or press does
not mean that one can talk or distribute where, when and how one chooses. Rights other than those of the advocates are involved." - Breard v. City of Alexandria.
Under this law every teacher gets to "use" (in the classroom - they can do what they want in their private life) the pronoun and title appropriate for their biological sex. Some teachers like that and some do not. Maybe some teacher would prefer to be called "doctor" even though they don't have a doctorate degree. Maybe some teachers would prefer to be called by their first name but the school thinks that's not respectful enough.
As I said in the Wednesday thread, the great irony is that the court's decision would allow school districts to compel teachers to use their colleagues' and students' preferred pronouns:
> We reiterate that our decision is a narrow one. We hold only that when Wood identified herself to students in the classroom using the honorific “Ms.” and the pronouns “she,” “her,” and “hers,” she did so in her capacity as a government employee, and not as a private citizen.
since using honorifics and pronouns in the classroom is speech "as a government employee," a school board in a blue state could fire teachers for misgendering their students or other teachers. you wouldn't be able to assert a free speech or religious liberty defense, since this court already acknowledged that her use of pronouns would be 1A-protected speech outside of the classroom.
the pronoun police are working overtime in Florida - they're just policing in the opposite direction. Jordan B. Peterson would be quite unhappy with this ruling!
That would be another issue. The case only found that the teacher had no 1A right to subject schoolkids to his twisted sexual fantasies.
“subject schoolkids to his twisted sexual fantasies.”
Could there be a better example of every accusation….. This person was just talking about pronouns.
Something I've wanted to do for a long time: stop addressing a courtroom judge as "Your Honor". It's silly that we all do that, just as silly as it would be for American judges to wear cute little wigs. It's as silly as addressing your minister as "Reverend Smith, Your Worship". It's also disingenuous; most of us are personally acquainted with at least one judge who doesn't deserve that honorific.
At this point I'm less and less inclined to refer to public servants using their preferred terms of address. For example, even though everybody else does it, I'm never going to address Donald Trump as "Mister President". Supposedly we are accustomed to expressing respect for the office, not necessarily it's occupant. But that's a cop out.
Ok?
You do you.
"when they come out ... as evangelical"
Wow. Just speechless on that one.
Carpenter only posts pro-LGBT, so he has a warped view of the world. He acts as it there is a legal equivalence between teenagers committing sodomy and professing Christianity. He is really sick.
I agree; that is very insulting to people committing sodomy, to compare them to people who profess completely delusional beliefs that have been responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths throughout history.
>That is, it required her to misgender herself
1. *he* is not misgendering himself by using male pronouns. A man in a dress is still a man.
2. Requiring him to use male pronouns is just as bad as requiring me to address him as 'her'. This is not different.
3. Since transgenderism is recognized as a psychological disorder requiring physical intervention - should these people be in these positions? You wouldn't keep someone suicidally depressed in class. You wouldn't keep someone suffering from hallucinations there.
The argument is that people like this teacher are apt to commit suicide if someone uses the wrong pronouns, but their fitness to teach schoolchildren must not be questioned.
Your #2 is only true to the extent that both, or neither, of you are speaking for the government. The government as an employer can broadly control what its employees say while on duty.
While not exactly relevant to this case, I'm wondering if the law wouldn't be better if it was written to base it on deception.
I would think that if one were to write the law to prevent a teacher from purposely deceiving the classroom on the basis of specific things. Create a list of falsities like claiming "false valor", using an unearned title (e.g. Dr. w/o a doctorate), making false claims of race (see Sen. Pocahontas), and making false claims of biological sex. That would make it harder to argue viewpoint and by using pronouns that don't match their own XX vs. XY, the teacher is being purposely deceptive. This argument would be even easier to make when the federal & state governments both agree that sex is based on science instead of feelings.
This wouldn't work, as the teacher would state that they aren't making a false claim of biological sex. If someone claims to have a Doctorate when they don't, that is clearly a false claim. Claims of false race or ethnicity are more complex; for some people, it will be obvious, but for others (such as those who exist on the margins of arbitrary categories) it will be less obvious.
Whether this is a case of deception is even less cut and dry. If the teacher had said "I am a woman", you could have a strong case if the government is citing law that defines a woman as an adult human female. On the other hand, if the teacher only says "I identify as a woman", its a lot less clear that it is deception, instead of delusion or belief.
Ah, Florida! Where smug, self-righteous adults and legislators apparently take great pleasure in teaching Florida children to be smug and self-righteous.
They learned it from *you!*, MoreCurious. They learned it from you.