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"The Clear Winner in Trump v. CASA: The Supreme Court"
"Lower courts lost, and the executive branch got mixed results."
Jack Goldsmith (Executive Functions) is always worth reading, and his article today on the universal injunctions especially so; an excerpt:
Supreme Court "Supremacy" Vis-a-Vis the Executive Branch
Charlie Savage maintained that Trump v. CASA "diminish[ed] judicial authority as a potential counterweight to exercises of presidential power." Ruth Marcus made a similar claim in a piece entitled "The Supreme Court Sides With Trump Against the Judiciary."
These propositions are true only of the lower federal courts. Trump v. CASA did not diminish the Supreme Court's authority vis-a-vis the presidency. The Court held at least that lower courts lacked authority to issue universal injunctions. The Court was ambiguous about whether it could issue universal relief via injunctions. But it made clear in ways that it never has before that it expects executive branch compliance with its opinions and judgments on a universal basis.
Begin with the last sentence of the opinion. At oral argument, Sauer "concede[d] that the 30-day ramp-up period that the executive order itself calls for never started" and that "there should be a 30-day ramp-up period" for the administration to provide guidance. The Court in the last sentence stated: "Consistent with the Solicitor General's representation, §2 of the Executive Order"—which implements the birthright citizenship ban—"shall not take effect until 30 days after the date of this opinion." That sure sounds like a universal injunction! The Court never explains how Sauer's concession got translated into a judicial command, presumably under the All Writs Act. The command is especially unusual since it is directed at a presidential order.
If this were a lower-court injunction and it were closer to January 20, the Trump administration might skirt the injunction by replacing (or amending) the executive order to allow a shorter ramp-up period. Or it might argue that the injunction applied only to the parties to the interim order application. But Sauer's reputation and the Trump administration's credibility before the Court are on the line. I expect the Trump administration to comply with this 30-day universal injunction. And if it doesn't I expect a quick intervention by the Court.
But there was a much greater concession by Sauer at oral argument with much greater significance for relations between the Court and the executive branch. As I explained last month, Sauer pledged to five different Justices that the government would, as Sauer put it to Justice Barrett, "respect the opinions and the judgments of the Supreme Court." When she asked whether he was "hedging at all with respect to the precedent of this Court," Sauer said he was not. Sauer similarly told Justice Kagan that a Supreme Court decision on a matter "would be a nationwide precedent that the government would respect." And he made analogous statements to other Justices….
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Barrett criticized Jackson dissent pretty heavily. I suspect the other 5 justices are pretty tired of the 3 liberals on the court, otherwise, one of the other 5 would have encouraged Barrett to tone it down.
How do you know this final version isn't the toned-down version?
It may be the toned down version, though I cant image what the untoned version would be like.
I think Kagan and Sotomayor not joining her opinion was their own message to Jackson to tone it down.
Sure, man.
Keep speculating to align with what you want to be true. You'll be Blackman's mini-mi before you know it!
Typically meaningless snark
Reading tea leaves is half the fun of watching the Supreme Court.
So his speculation is unjustified, even though he gives reasons, which you notable refuse to answer. Meanwhile, your unsupported speculation about him is justified.
Typical Sarcastr0.
What reasons?
Colleagues in the same voting bloc on the Court don't join one anothers' opinions all the time. Until this point, it was never taken as having any significance.
You've spent enough time here to know this. Are you just so angry it makes you not think?
I mean they are disgusting, nasty women.
sotomayor is criminally lazy. Kagan, unmarried, no kids, is not in the swing of things. Kids being shown homosexual perverion in schools? No effect on her. And Jackson, well she got plaudits from the worst-educated lawyer to hit the big time
Biden said of Ketanji Jackson
A brilliant legal mind with deep knowledge of the law.
A rigorous judicial record.
Extraordinary qualifications, deep experience and intellect.
One of our nation's brightest legal mind
Which is like Julia Childs saying Jeffrey Dahmer is a new light in dining and a pathbreaker in food planning.
Biden was BOTTOM 10 in his law class. BOTTOM 10
But can future Solicitors General change their mind? After all, if the Supreme Court can override its own precedent, turnabout is only fair.
In the next 30 days?
But in any case the Solicitor General was representing the government, not himself.
it did feel like a universal injunction, you're right. the kind of order that will no longer be available to any lower court. I'm not sure how the Court itself squares that with its own High Court of Chancery-inspired reading of the equity powers available to Article III courts (including itself) under the Judiciary Act of 1789. they really ought to have at least addressed the apparent contradiction.
also, has the government agreed to abide by the precedent of opinions of lower courts within their own circuit? if the 9th circuit rules against the government in holding birthright citizenship is the law of the land, has the government pledged to at least respect that decision within the 9th circuit itself? at least if it's not going to appeal?
If I recall correctly, I think the SG said that DOJ would respect the opinions of circuit courts within their jurisdiction in the usual case.
You do recall correctly. At oral argument he did indeed say that. But just to make it explicit, it was by no means a "pledge," as tnrbg asked. It was merely a statement about what they usually do.
I don't see any contradiction in the 1789 Judiciary Act referring to the powers of the English courts.
After all, the Revolution was started in large part in order to reassert the liberties of Americans which included the judicial rights that Englishmen had access to.
Very good, most would cavil at 're-assert' but it is spot on.
Fortunately Donald Trump never runs roughshod over the clear and unambiguous statements of his cabinet members and other senior officials in the policy areas that he has entrusted to them...
So?
They serve at his pleasure. He has every right to run roughshod over them.
Martin, maybe you missed the History class where Lincoln thanked his cabinet members and other senior officials and went against ALL OF THEM
When he brought in the Emancipation Proclamation, President Abraham Lincoln polled his Cabinet. The Secretary of State stood and uttered his “Nay” unmistakably. The Secretary of the Interior followed suit. The Treasury Secretary and so forth: all against. Lincoln heard them each in turn. Then Lincoln raised his hand and said… “The Ayes have it.”
He is the President. He's the one we elected to make the final decisions. It's his perogative to override his cabinet.
Unlike Biden who we were told multiple times that Biden's pronouncement did not reflect the policies of the Biden Administration.
Was it an injunction or just a prediction?
Probably the former, but it's a little ambiguous given the absence of any effort to reconcile it with the rest of the opinion.
They said "shall".
My impression is, in legal language that's a clear command or expression of obligation. More so than "will", which sounds more like prediction.
IANAL, but some quick googling seems to suggest that's right. Though I also see discussion of moves toward a more explicit "must" to reduce ambiguity.
The supreme court just awarded themselves a huge victory! HOORAY for them!!!
This was bound to happen. (Eliminating nationwide injunctions).
The SCOTUS was bound to be annoyed by random district courts judges essentially taking on the self-appointed authority to declare nation-wide decisions on policy. It basically infringed on the SCOTUS's prerogative. Moreover, every time it happened, the SCOTUS was going to need to step in eventually and be the "daddy". Once in a great while...maybe. Every week? No.
We didn't need nationwide injunctions for the first 175 years of the country, and we don't need them now. They simply acted as a means for an unelected single person (any one of over 600) to make their policy choices on a nationwide basis known.
If it's just "policy choices" then it's improper whether it's a universal injunction or a solo injunction.
Let's not kid ourselves here David. These judges, both conservative and liberal, have known policy preferences. And they are known to interpret the law in such a way that agrees with their policy preferences. Some do less of it. Some do more of it. But it happens on both sides. That's why judge shopping occurred. People knew it, knew which judges has preferences in which direction, and where they were more likely to get a decision in their favor.
That being said, people are people, and you're going to have some degree of preference. That's why one of the reasons we get judicial panels...multiple judges, which can even out extremes from an individual. And why you get an appeals process on an individual basis. And on an individual basis, these extremes could be moderated in scope, by only affecting the party before the judge
But what we had going on was a system of 600-plus minidictators, making national policy off their individual decisions with universal injunctions. And it wasn't going to stand, not as it was accelerating.
Really? You don’t think that any of the Roe or Obergefell majority felt that gay marriage or abortion rights was bad policy, but they were compelled vote the way they did because they felt abortion rights and gay were part of the liberty guaranteed by the due process clause?
Gay marriage and abortion are horrible policy.
So they can't be guaranteed by anything !!!
Are they part of "endowed by their Creator with unalienable rights"
They just mentioned right to life and abortion is taking a life
And perverted sexual lust is hardly anything but perverted sexual lust.
No. Can you, for instance, imagine KBJ deciding an important issue on that basis? I can't. Your naivete is touching.
Judge shopping only requires that a judge have a known approach to a given legal question.
It will occur when people think they can predict a judge is likely to agree with them.
That would happen even if zero judges were *ever* swayed by their own policy preferences. It
As DMN said, you beg the question and then still get it wrong.
"Read the rest here"
That link doesn't work. The anchor tag for the link has another anchor tag inside its href property. The url should be https://executivefunctions.substack.com/p/the-clear-winner-in-trump-v-casa
The age of the Democrat/Somin imperial judiciary ends! SO MUCH WINNING!
Why can't Congress simply pass a law saying that all newborns are outside U.S. jurisdiction like diplomat children? Or all children under a month old?
Also, why doesn't the GOP offer to legalize Dreamers in exchange for Democrats voting for an amendment ending birthright citizenship? What argument in favor of birthright citizenship would be more compelling than legalizing the Dreamers?
Apparently the GOP doesn't find it compelling at all.
One can only speculate as to why. No bigotry involved, I'm sure.
And what does one have to do with the other?
There's no way that Democrats would vote in favor of such of a amendment.
...not unless they are convinced that current and future migrants would vote Republican.
If that ever happens, they'd become immigration control hawks so fast it would make Trump blush.
Current and future migrants don't vote, dumbshit.
Sure, Jan.
The Hispanic Southern Texans in my college class were the most vocal against Biden's immigration policies, too many really bad people coming across they said.
If the Trump EO holds up, there is no need for Congress to pass a law or an amendment.
Except that the next Democrat president would reverse it. They love birthright citizenship, because for every brown baby dropped out of a brown mother's crotch on U.S. soil, there is a Democrat voter in 18 years.
Sauer pledged to five different Justices that the government would, as Sauer put it to Justice Barrett, “respect the opinions and the judgments of the Supreme Court.”
And that verbal promise is, as they say, worth the paper it is printed on. If I read Goldsmith correctly, this was one end of the bargain to rule for Trump in exchange for a promise to "respect" (but not necessarily obey) future decisions.
It is very hard to imagine any adult at this point actually believing that Trump will adhere to this promise from his future ex-attorney.
It was not a promise or a pledge. Sauer was merely reciting long-standing DoJ policy.
And that verbal promise is, as they say, worth the paper it is printed on.
Yes, but it's worse than that.
Why is it any kind of concession at all, and why is it limited to the Supreme Court.
Isn't it expected that the government will abide by court orders? Or has MAGA so infected people's brains that they think Trump promising to obey the law is some sort of magnanimous gesture?
Why is Goldsmith, or EV, impressed by Sauer's statement?
Let's say that the White House takes the following action: it orders the federal bureau of prisons to devote one entire prison solely to housing red-heads. If you have red hair, and have been convicted of a federal crime, you now automatically get sent to that specific prison, always.
Eric the Red sues, with a long list of complaints about why this is unfair, why this violates other laws and procedures, why the prison guards who chose how to categorize him were unfairly retaliatory against his habit of filing lawsuits, and anyway, hair color is a very complicated question, and actually his hair is technically brown, not red, he just kept the name because a lot of his ancestors had red hair. And also the light in the prison sorting ward was funny that day.
SCOTUS rules that Eric the Red is correct. Eric the Red must not be sent to the red-haired federal prison. In fact, Eric the Red must be returned to a state prison, because he also committed some state crimes, and that was where he was being held before this whole red-headed-federal-prisoner sillyness started.
And then SCOTUS goes further, and says that IN IT'S OPINION, if there's going to be a red-haired prison at all, then there must also be seperate-but-equal black, brown, blonde, bald, white, grey, and mutant-freak hair colored prisons. But that question wasn't technically a part of this case, and doesn't actually have anything to do with the judgement, because Eric the Red isn't going to ANY federal prison, so that opinion would normally be thought of as 'dicta', and would not actually be viewed as an actual 'order' of the court, it would merely be the 'opinion' of the court. Which might, or might not, become relevant the next time Daniel the Blue files a lawsuit about HIS federal prison status.
The concession the SG made would seem to very strongly imply that, unlike the previous 250 years of federal history, the Executive Branch is now promising that if such a SCOTUS opinion is ever issued, the Executive Branch WON'T WAIT for another dozen federal cases to slowly be processed for Gandalf the Grey, Saruman the White, Radagast the Brown, Galadrial the Blonde, etc, etc to slowly build up a steel wall of precedent about how the DOJ has to act.
Instead, the DOJ promises that it will totally just copy SCOTUS's initial opinion, without quibbling and objection, and pre-emptively apply the standard outlined in SCOTUS's opinion, without demanding another ten years of case fights. The DOJ office of legal counsel will simply inform POTUS that he must either have separate prisons for every hair color, or the same prison for all hair colors. His plan to have just one prison for red-heads and all the other hair colors mixed together is now forbidden, AND his backup plan to have all the hair colors mixed together except for a single 'brown-hair' prison is now also forbidden, as well as his backup-backup plan for trying every other hair color, one at a time, where just that hair color got it's own prison, but all other hair colors stayed together. And his third-backup-plan for just having the same prison pick a different hair color once a year so that all the prisoners can take turns, and his fourth-backup-plan to force prisoners to dye their hairs the colors he wants, and his fifth-backup-plan....
The idea that the executive branch will pre-emptively follow SCOTUS opinion on how the world is SUPPOSED to work, instead of demanding that it be repeated over and over again in every separate case with the tiniest bit of difference from the last case, is a BIG change. If I remember correctly, there have been a few instances where Supreme Court Dicta and Office of Legal Counsel policies were 'slightly' different from each other, and 'slightly' disagreed with each other, for DECADES, and a test case as to who was right or not just... never came up. That promise, if enforced, is a HUGE neutering of the power of the Office of Legal Counsel.
The concession is not that the administration will obey court orders.
The concession is that when SCOTUS speaks on an issue, the administration won't limit the ruling to the named parties but "respect" the decision and not require 10,000 more suits by identical plaintiffs. It will apply the court decision universally when it comes from SCOTUS as opposed to district courts.
The concession is that when SCOTUS speaks on an issue, the administration won't limit the ruling to the named parties but "respect" the decision and not require 10,000 more suits by identical plaintiffs.
The problem in practice is that the Chief Justice has spent the last 20 years desperately trying to establish precedent-minimalism as the court's modus vivendi. They will rule that gunning someone down on 5th Avenue for a TV show running on Friday nights is illegal - but they will include an explicit caveat that it should not be assumed that the same applies for TV shows running on other days of the week.
The implication here would be that if and when the executive branch DOES violate that promise, be 10 days or 10 years from now...
SCOTUS will henceforth feel entirely justified in taking revenge and rapidly escalating.
For example, the next time the executive branch does something in clear violation of the express opinion of SCOTUS, which doesn't technically violate the express judgement of SCOTUS, maybe SCOTUS will issue a ruling saying that every state and federal judge in the country is hereby authorized to bring back public flogging for contempt of court, on SCOTUS's behalf, as a punishment for all future executive-branch officials who willfully defy the written opinion of SCOTUS. No need to actually ask SCOTUS's permission each time, all the other courts can now just assume they have the power to implement contempt-of-scotus punishments using their own local, delegated, authority from SCOTUS.
Before that concession was made, SCOTUS would probably have hesitated a LOT before issuing such a order. After the concession was made, SCOTUS seems to be saying that their order against universal injunctions is now contingent on universal respect for SCOTUS, and they reserve the right to enforce universal respect the next time it comes up.
Trump's unparalleled record as a lawless President continues to expand. Thus far, the Supreme Court of the United States has not dealt Trump even one outright defeat. The Court behaves as if it fears, and expects, defiance. There is no reason to suppose this Court intends ever to do better.
You contradict yourself. A lawless President would be one violating Supreme Court. Apparently Trump has gotten the law correct, according to the Court.
SL's unparalleled record of being a failure continues to expand. Go quietly into that good night, leave the rest of us alone.
They are the heads of coequal branches of government. If the President decides to ignore the Supreme Court, there is little that they can do. He has all the guns. They could order him arrested, and he could laugh and reciprocate, and they would be the ones ending up behind bars. So, they pick their fights with the sitting President very carefully. He has his election mandate, and all that they have is 220 years of deference, and carefully husbanded soft power. Everything is copasetic, until one of the branches gets out of its lane.
And that was why the Supreme Court shut down nationwide injunctions by district court judges so hard. These lower court judges got out of their lane. It’s the job of the Supreme Court to decide when to pick fights with the Executive. Esp in cases, like this, where the President ran, and won, election, in part, on this issue.
Point of order - the Executive does not have all the guns. It doesn't even have most of them.
We the people do.
If any branch gets too squirrelly we can fix it the hard way.
Agreed. I was comparing the number of guns controlled by the Judiciary, to the number controlled by the Executive. But, in my view, it is, as you stated, that the bulk of the guns in this country are in the hands of the citizenry. And I think that is for the good. I think that Thomas Jefferson, for one, would have agreed. And, luckily for Trump, the majority of those guns in civilian hands these days tend to be in the hands of his supporters, and not his opponents (who are, invariably, the ones trying to take them away).
Except the appellate and USSC keep saying Trump got the law correct - hence why the district courts are always being overturned on appeal.
As usual, the Court aggrandizes itself.
I assume before too long they will issue a merits decision enshrining birthright citizenship for tourists and illegals into the Constitution even though it is at odds with original meaning.
As for the deeper issues, in the view of the founding fathers, it seems judges would offer opinions and which may be binding in the specific case, but otherwise each branch had the right to interpret the Constitution for itself and could have their own "opinions" and could take any judge's "opinion" under advisement and that's it.
Maybe. Maybe not. Now the issue is relegated to the normal course of doing business. Contrary opinions have to bubble up from the district courts, to the Circuit Courts, to have a circuit split, and then the Supreme Court must determine that the issue is significant enough to spend their time on… The urgency and necessity of deciding the case NOW is gone.
I felt the same way with the overruling of Chevron. The Supreme Court isn't limiting the power of all courts, they are limiting the power of lower courts.
Given that a district court cannot enjoin the executive's actions towards non-parties, I don't see how the Supreme Court could do so either unless it has original jurisdiction. If the Supreme Court only has appellate jurisdiction over the case, then I'd think the Supreme Court could only determine whether the lower court committed an error but not grant relief the lower court could not have granted in the first place.
The Supreme Court can do what they darn well please. They didn’t want to decide the 2020 election, so invented a new doctrine so that they wouldn’t have to hear a case between states, in one of the few places that they have original jurisdiction.
There is a big difference between obeying an order by the Supreme Court, after two (or more) levels of appellate view, and obeying the orders of any single (out of maybe 600) district court judges. Orders of magnitude different. This was why the nationwide injunctions, by activist judges, picked by forum shopping, was so pernicious. It’s the Supreme Court’s job, not that of one of the 600 district court judges, to determine nationwide issues.