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Trump Administration Targets Iranian Christians for Deportation
They face severe persecution if deported to Iran.
Christianity Today reports that the Trump Administration is targeting Iranian Christian migrants for deportation:
On June 19, as Iran and Israel exchanged volleys of missiles and officials secretly finalized plans to dispatch American bombers to strike Iranian nuclear sites, pastor Ara Torosian published a letter to his church.
Torosian, an Iranian pastor at Cornerstone West Los Angeles, leads the church's Farsi-speaking congregation. He came to the United States as a refugee 15 years ago after being imprisoned for his faith. He has always carried in his heart a prayer, Torosian wrote: "that Iran would be free…."
But five days later, the suffering of his loved ones came suddenly very close.
On Tuesday, the pastor recorded on his phone as masked Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents arrested two of his church members on a Los Angeles sidewalk. The Iranian husband and wife had pending asylum cases, according to Torosian. They fled Iran for fear of persecution for being Christians and had been part of his congregation for about a year.
The detentions add to a growing number of church members and Christians seeking religious protection who get picked up by ICE. Often they have no apparent criminal history. In many instances, they were in the United States lawfully, complying with orders from immigration courts. ICE has traditionally not deported individuals with pending asylum petitions, who are allowed to work while their cases proceed.
If deported back to their country of origin, Iranian Christians face severe persecution at the hands of Iran's radical Islamist theocracy. That persecution has actually intensified in recent years, and includes criminalization of the promotion Christianity, and severe punishments for Christians considered to be "apostates" from Islam. This persecution makes Iranian Christians obvious candidates for asylum or refugee status (for which applicants are eligible based on persecution on the basis of religion, among other possible criteria). At the very least, those who have filed such applications must not be deported until those applications have gotten proper consideration.
I'm old enough to remember a time when conservative Republicans saw themselves as defending Christians against radical Islamism. Today, a GOP administration wants to deport Christians to persecution by a radical Islamist regime. The only people Trump considers worthy of refugee status seem to be white Afrikaner South Africans. While they may have a plausible case (and I don't oppose admitting them), that of Iranian Christians - and many other severely oppressed groups - is much stronger
Sadly, this is far from the only situation where the Trump Administration seeks to deport migrants who fled oppression by the types of regimes conservative claim to especially oppose. The same story plays out in efforts to strip legal status from Afghans who fled the Taliban (including many who aided the US during the war), and Cubans, Venezuelans, and Nicaraguans who fled socialist dictatorships.
People who genuinely oppose socialism and radical Islamism would not close the doors against those regime's victims. Doing so is both unjust and harmful to the US economy (to which these immigrants contribute) and to America's struggle in the international war of ideas against these regimes. It's hard to credibly tell people we are better than these brutal despots when we callously deport their victims back to them, thereby facilitating the very oppression we claim to oppose.
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Reminder to any Volokh Conspiracy neophytes that Ilya Somin is resolutely opposed to anyone being deported; for any reason, at any time. He is also opposed to any restrictions on immigration whatsoever. Don't let the particular issue in the OP paper over these facts. He is hell-bent on flooding our country with violent, non-productive, incompatible third-worlders.
> He is hell-bent on flooding our country with violent, non-productive, incompatible third-worlders.
Why do you think a Christian pastor is "violent, non-productive, incompatible"?
He appears to be running an illegal human trafficking operation. The church is just a cover.
> He appears to be running an illegal human trafficking operation. The church is just a cover.
Really? What evidence led you to that conclusion?
Government does nothing well.
"He appears to be running an illegal human trafficking operation. The church is just a cover."
Supporting facts, Roger?
I'm guessing (hoping) that he's being sarcastic, and that he's drawing an analogy to the dubious human trafficking charge against Kilmar Abrego Garcia.
You're new here. Schlafly is not being sarcastic. He hates all non-northern European Christians.
With so much lower hanging fruit, I can't believe there isn't more here.
Remember when you threw a tantrum about Elian Gonzalez being sent to his father in Cuba?? That was weird, right??
I was in elementary school when INS did the Elian Gonzalez raid. I can assure you I did not throw a tantrum about it.
That being said, if you are old enough to have thrown a tantrum about it, it's time to schedule your prostate exam.
Remember when sending Elian Gonzalez back to a dictatorship instead of letting him live here, free, which his mother gave her life to achieve, was the highest possible value, hosanna in the highest?
You are all politically motivated demon-shits, soulless evil of the first order.
I remember when parents deciding the circumstances of their children's upbringing was the highest possible value; apparently it only rears up when you approve of the decisions. You rail against government and the corruption of politicians, but you love it when they use that corrupt power to implement the policies you like, all while imagining some libertarian utopia that gets along just fine with no government at all.
While that’s true, as in any situation where public opinion mostly lies somewhere in between extreme positions, he’s entitled to try to call the other side out for going too far.
He’s also entitled to pick a particularly sympathetic example as representative of the whole to illustrate his position. After all, the administration is using exactly this rhetorical device, picking isolated highly unsympathetic examples and presenting them as representing the whole. He’s entitled to do the same on behalf of his position.
Bahai's aren't Christian
they're not Bahai, they're Evangelical Christian. did you hallucinate?
Sounds fishy. Do they even belong to a recognized denomination?
Darn that pesky "a well regulated church, being necessary to the morality of a free State" clause in the First Amendment.
For First Amendment was not for importing millions of Persians.
But it is against the very idea of recognized denominations.
Recognized by Jesus, yes. Who are you?
Did they enter the country legally?
Did they not pass through any safe third country on their way here?
If the answer to both questions isn't "yes", deport them.
1. Yes, they made an appointment for asylum with ICE prior to entering at the US-Mexico border.
2. Unsure, but Mexico has not agreed to be a "safe third country," so Mexico itself doesn't count. Likely not, if they flew from Iran to Mexico.
Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/immigration-officers-arrest-iranian-asylum-seekers-los-angeles-2025-06-27/
"his congregation has between 50 and 60 members, most of whom have been in the country for less than two years" -- So the Biden administration let them in, without valid asylum claims. This so-called pastor is running a human smuggling operation. They must all be deported.
Somin is a Russian Jewish Atheist, who obviously does not care about Persian Christian beliefs. He is merely seeking excuses for his anti-American policies.
> Somin is a Russian Jewish Atheist, who obviously does not care about Persian Christian beliefs.
One doesn't need to care about Christian beliefs per se in order to care about people. In this case, there are innocent people who are at imminent risk of being persecuted for their faith. That should bother anyone, regardless of the faith in question. In any case, I don't see why you need to use identity politics and attack the background of the author, which is not relevant.
> So the Biden administration let them in, without valid asylum claims.
That's not a conclusion reached based on the evidence presented. If they were at risk of being persecuted for their faith, that constitutes a valid asylum claim, in which case their entry to the US was legal. Your accusation of a "smuggling operation" is groundless.
Somin is the one who injected identity politics into this. Iran has 90 million people living under an oppressive government. But Somin singles out the Christians for reasons of identity politics.
No, that part of the screed IS reasonable, there's scarcely a country in the region where it's safe to be a Christian besides Israel. A few were tourists are fairly safe...
But that just speaks to where they should be deported to.
Why deport them at all, if they are productive members of society in the US?
Ask yourself why Pres. Trump got elected.
Because of racism and xenophobia?
Also misogyny.
And economic illiteracy.
President Trump got elected because his supporters love that he hates the same folks that they hate.
Since when is that a prerequisite? There are many "migrants" who are not productive members of society, and you and your coterie of open-borders traitors still think they should all be allowed to stay.
I don't know that these two ARE productive members of society. Per normal Reason practice, adopted by some of the Conspirators, only information supporting the OP's perspective is linked to.
> Somin is the one who injected identity politics into this. Iran
The identity of the refugees is relevant. The identity of the author is not.
> But Somin singles out the Christians for reasons of identity politics.
The Christians are the ones who are risk of persecution for their religion, so it is relevant. And I think it highlights the hypocrisy of the current US administration to deport Christians to a country where they will be persecuted, while the same administration claims to be interested in protecting Christians from persecution.
And why is Somin suddenly concerned about religious practices in Iran? Yes, his identity is relevant. It helps explain why he posts ethnically divisive opinions.
> why is Somin suddenly concerned about religious practices in Iran?
He's not interested in religious practices in Iran. He's interested in persecution of religious practices in Iran. My question to you is: why *don't* you care that innocent people are going to be tortured for their religion, and your government's complicity in this?
No, Somin is not interested in any of that. He is in favor of open borders, and wants anyone to be able to come to the USA for any reason. He only posts this Iranian Christian story as a way of playing identity politics.
Somin would also bring in the Iranians who are persecuting these Christians. In fact if these Christians were allowed to stay and the Iranians who persecuted them were denied entry he would scream about discrimination for not allowing the latter in as well
Right hand, meet left hand.
Oh, you're different?
Never mind!
Who cares what Somin thinks? These are our brothers and sisters in Christ who deserve our help.
Roger S, when material is enclosed by quotation marks, it is bad form (and unhelpful to the reader) to fail to identify the quoted source. Whereby do you claim that "his congregation has between 50 and 60 members, most of whom have been in the country for less than two years"?
It is from the Reuters story, at the link in the comment above.
Somin is a Russian Jewish Atheist
i..e, as a Russian, better educated than you, as an atheist, far less irrational than you, and as a Jew, considerably smarter than you. No wonder you have problems with him, as any cracker with an inferiority complex might have
Yes, Somin's posts often try to give the impression that he is better than all of us. One of his frequent themes is that those who disagree with him must be ignorant. He often announces how others should live and vote.
But as he's not a racist, he is better than youl As for telling others how they should live and vote, you think he's the only one here who does that?
The vast majority of humans, including actual MS-13 members rather than just people with photoshopped tattoos, are better than you.
Somin is a Russian Jewish Atheist, who obviously does not care about Persian Christian beliefs.
Yes. I can think of no reason a Jew might be concerned about persecution of adherents of a minority religion.
What an asshole you are.
Mexico agreeing to be a "safe third country" is not the standard.
You don't get to agree to be a safe third country. You just are. Just as the US is. First safe country - everything after that is optional.
No, that's not right. The argument, "They should have stayed in Mexico" only is valid if they could have stayed in Mexico. If Mexico won't permit them — whether it's supposed to or not — then it's not a safe third country.
I always wondered what Jesus would do!
This is almost as good as cheering on the Christian woman with two kids who snagged on that barbed wire in the Rio Grands and they all drowned.
Jesus: Fuck 'em!
Jesus dealt kindly with the Samaritans in chapter 4 of the gospel of John, even though Jews had no dealings with Samaritans.
"People who genuinely oppose socialism and radical Islamism would not close the doors against those regime's victims."
This is nothing but unadulterated concern trolling. *Ilya Somin himself* would not oppose socialists or radical Islamists from immigrating here, whether legally or illegally; and if anyone did try to stop such people's attempted arrivals, he would do everything in his power to frustrate and thwart their efforts.
> This is nothing but unadulterated concern trolling.
What is "concern trolling"? Are you trying to call someone out for caring about whether innocent people are persecuted for their religion?
Yes, this is not about innocent people being persecuted. Somin wants open borders for everyone to come to the USA.
Roger S, what Native American tribe are you descended from?
Don't act like "the Native Americans" are a single bloc. That's just a limp-wristed attempt to cover up the fact that they had been conquering each other for centuries before the Europeans came along.
Now, after four centuries of war, we defeated the Natives and to the victor goes the spoils. And I am not about to let other foreign invaders ride in and conquer it again.
Um, he didn't. That's why he asked "Which tribe" rather than just asking if Roger was a Native American.
Good news! There are no invaders! Nobody's trying to conquer us!
"what Native American tribe are you descended from?"
The one that won the wars. Same as you.
After the Maryland man nonsense, how about, before jumping to conclusions, we wait for some…oh what do they call them again? Oh yeah, facts.
The man has been an illegal alien in the USA for 15 years, and he is still speaking Farsi? Yes, deport him. We could send him to El Salvador, if Iran will not take him.
If he is opposed to the Iranian government, then he should be happy that the USA is bombing Iran. The USA has done enough for Iranians already.
He never said that the pastor doesn't speak English, only that the congregation is held in Farsi, which makes sense if there are a lot of recent immigrants in it.
There's also no indication from the article that he's an illegal immigrant. He came as a refugee, so he may have asylum or an asylum case.
It says most of his congregation came in under the Biden administration, which was welcoming illegal migrants.
> It says most of his congregation came in under the Biden administration, which was welcoming illegal migrants.
Once again, none of that has any relation to the language or languages spoken by the pastor, nor does it necessarily entail that any member of the congregation is here illegally. They would have no reason to enter illegally, since they would all be eligible for asylum, given the threat of religious persecution.
No, they are not eligible for asylum.
Speaking a language in church is deportable?
So do you want to deport all Catholic priests because they speak Latin during services?
After all, if an immigrant priest speaks Latin in church, they can't possibly also speak English at other times .. right? Right?
Protect America! Deport his non-assimilated Latin posterior!
Latin is a dead language. People can speak it all they want.
You know, I've heard rumors of religious services being conducted in Greek, Hebrew, Arabic, Armenian, Spanish, and Portuguese. There are probably religions using other languages involved in this conspiracy as well
Right here in the United States, if you can believe it!!
Deport 'em all.
It takes a true shit to deport someone based on what language they speak.
English is the American language. Those who wish to assimilate here learn English. If not, then he is not suitable for American citizenship.
"The man has been an illegal alien in the USA for 15 years, and he is still speaking Farsi?"
Where do you get that he is "an illegal alien", Roger? Professor Somin's post states merely that "He came to the United States as a refugee 15 years ago after being imprisoned for his faith."
No one ever gets imprisoned for his faith. If he said that on his application, then he should be deported for lying.
You can't possibly be both human and that delusional. "Paid Troll" or "Agitprop Bot" are reasonable explanations, though.
Where do you get that he is "an illegal alien", Roger?
"The man has been an illegal alien in the USA for 15 years, and he is still speaking Farsi? Yes, deport him."
According to the Reuter's article you referenced earlier, Pastor Ara Torosian is a naturalized U.S. citizen, Roger. Do you care whether you tell the truth or not?
"Iranian Christians"?? Sounds like a great cover for "Sleeper Cells", like I'm sure the Israeli agents in Ear-Ron aren't running around wearing Yarmulkes
FYI, There is a long history of Christians in Iran. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iran
It's helpful to have some relevant domain knowledge before casting aspersions.
According to the article, Christianity is legal in Iran, and Iran has 600 Christian churches. These Iranians can go back to Iran, and practice Christianity there.
What if they voted Republican like Cubans in Florida?? Would you support fast track citizenship for them??
Christianity is legal if you're born into a Christian family. if you leave Islam you're an apostate, and the punishment is death.
Judaism is also legal in Iran. the Ayatollah issued a fatwa *protecting* Persian Jews in 1979. would you deport a Jew to Iran right now? I wouldn't.
About a billion Moslems live in countries where apostates are treated poorly. This is not a problem that can be solved by importing a few dozen of them into LA.
It sure helps those few dozen, though.
would you deport a Jew to Iran right now?
Absolutely Roger S would - the only reason he doesn't come out in favour of making the US judenrein is that he wants the browns and the blacks cleared out first.
If a Jew left Iran legitimately seeking asylum, he would likely go to Israel.
You say that - but who is chanting 'from the river to the sea'? It's not MAGAts.
Who is murdering Jews? It's not white suoremecists
Don't be any stupider than you have to be. There are anti-Semites on both left and right. Do you think that is was lefties shouting "Jews will not replace us" in Charlottesville?
It is a pisspoor defence of Roger S to argue that lefties do it too.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/26/neo-nazis-trump-extremism
Right now, *only lefties are doing it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_synagogue_shooting
Reading is fundamental. Cherrypicking stats because of Ilya Derangement Syndrome is not. From the very same article:
So Roger S., do you fancy yourself a Christian?
I'm personally agnostic, but I'm also not stupid. If there's a legit ground to run from religious persecution, I think that's a good bit better support for an asylum claim than being an economic migrant.
No, that would allow a billion Moslems to come to the USA. They could just say that they changed their faith.
Iran is a lousy country for a lot of reasons. 90 million people live there. It is up to the Iranians to fix their own country, not ruin ours.
So your position is that prosecution due to Christianity should be categorically excluded from asylum claims because then "anyone could do it"? Because all they have to do is reject Christ and they'll be safe, right? Would you do that for mere personal safety, and lose the Kingdom of Heaven?
I ask a second time: do you personally claim to be Christian?
I'm the sort of agnostic that has read the Bible ... rejecting Christ three times is a thing.
And FWIW if you say "I'm not a Christian", I'll believe you. Oh so easily. But I'm curious if you're the sort of hypocrite who goes to church and also rejects Christ. I'd put money on that, TBH.
The asylum system is so thoroughly abused that I would shut it all down. At least 99% of claims are bogus, and probably more.
Uh-huhn. Well, hardening your heart is also a biblical thing, but that's not usually something the good guys did.
I still think it's likely that you identify as a Christian, at the same time you're completely rejecting basic precepts. Sad.
Third time's the charm for the Denial of Peter.
I am arguing for deportation under USA law, not biblical law.
Should the Make Egypt Great Again crowd have returned Mary, Joseph and their infant to King Herod?
Jesus: Fuck 'em!
Remember when Trump let an Iraqi intent on assassinating Bush into the country?? That was weird, right??
Nobody on the planet except you "remembers" this, and nobody cares.
MAGA was never going to make a distinction between legal and illegal immigrants. They hate all immigrants. MAGAs are the worlds greatest threat to freedom.
At this point, it's a numbers game. ICE employees want to meet a deportation quota every month. Obviously, people who have registered for an ICE interview and given their contact information are the easiest ones to find. It's standard issue government mendacity and incompetence, only some people are so stupid that they think government is different when Republicans do it.
the difference is the deportation quotas and enforcement priorities.
And the part that’s always the same is cooking the books to produce bogus numbers that fool stupid people.
The country is full. Every one of our large cities has nightmarish traffic and crowding, and that's not even considering the negative effects on cultural cohesiveness. We don' need more people.
Try driving cross country and then tell me how "full" our country is.
I-80 through Nevada was not finished in 1976 when I drove on it. At each town, the road devolved into 25 MPH zones. Elko was a dusty little place, same with all the others. Not so now.
Carson City has grown more than 3 fold. What's the point of empty space if it gets filled up ? More people means more problems, less freedom.
There is no sense in which the country is "full." The United States has one of the lowest population densities in the world. We could admit two billion people and still have a mid-level population density, lower than Germany or the UK, comparable to Italy.
Cultural diversity has in fact been a boon to the US.
Science, the arts, the social sciences, cuisine, business activity, etc. have all benefited tremendously and disproportionately.
Yup.
Reagan was at the front end of a huge wave of immigrants, including illegal ones. He didn't live to see the downsides.
All of the "MAGA" leaders are married to immigrants themselves. Fire up a second brain cell before you try and contribute to the discussion again.
Which is ironic, because most of the MAGA followers are married to their siblings.
"most of the MAGA followers are married to their siblings"
Just because your parents were brother and sister doesn't mean its widespread.
The comments here show that in the end, it's not about illegal immigration.
All MAGA has when you push is lies and bigotry.
Interesting comment to make when you're lying about my comment.
Are these people entitled to be in the United States?
The answer is no, even if they managed to get in legally under the Biden administration.
Now do Cubans that turned Florida red and gave us Bush/Cheney and 7000 dead soldiers to go with $5 trillion flushed down the toilet and millions of jobs shipped to China and the Great Recession.
Not just Bush/Cheney. John Kerry and Hillary Clinton voted for the war.
It’s even odder if you think about where the term “Aryan” comes from. Iranians are not only every bit as Aryan as people from the Caucasus are Caucasian, they are the ORIGINAL Aryans in exactly the same way.
It seems that deported Iranians are illegal immigrants suspected of terrorism.
ICE Arrests 11 Iranian Nationals Illegally in the U.S. Over the Weekend. Criminal illegal aliens arrested include an individual with admitted ties to Hezbollah, a known or suspected terrorist, and an alleged former sniper for the Iranian army.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) arrested 11 Iranian nationals illegally in the United States over the weekend. ICE also arrested a U.S. citizen who threatened to kill ICE law enforcement while harboring an illegal alien from Iran. The weekend arrests reflect the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) commitment to keeping known and suspected terrorists out of American communities.
Another Iranian deportation. AUSTIN, Texas – An Iranian national was arrested Wednesday in Austin on criminal charges related to his alleged failure to deport.
According to court documents, Jamil Bahlouli, 32, was issued a final order of removal in 2020 for being illegally present in the U.S. He self-deported to Canada in October 2021. Bahlouli was again found to be in the U.S. illegally in December 2023. He was convicted in Montana for illegal entry in January 2024 and sentenced to time served. His final order of removal from 2020 was reinstated and he was released into the U.S., scheduled to report in person to the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Office in San Antonio on or about Jan. 23, 2024. The criminal complaint filed on June 25, 2025, alleges that Bahlouli did not report as scheduled.
And this has what to do with Torosian's parishioners?
Nothing. Not to mention ICE's arrests tell us nothing about the arrestees except that ICE felt like arresting them.
The organization needs to be shut down. We shouldn't have secret police.
What is always left out of these stories is that these people always end up never having actually *done anything to prove their danger*. Without fail it comes out that they just blithely went off and figured it was all sorted out until bureaucracy comes round to bite them on the heiny.
You know, that whole 'due process' thing? It goes both ways.
Apparently we're just supposed to take their word without even checking.
Ilya, this is very opportunist of you. You lost all moral standing by constantly being anti-Trump on everything. I am not even giving your facts credence anymore.
I had to chuckle. Ilya is even bad at pretending to care about Freedom of Religion. Search his columns. Wow
All of Somin's virtue signalling goes nowhere with the average American. Wait until he writes his columns on the latest SCOTUS decisions and tell us how flawed they are. His MO is always a activist for ridiculous outcomes. Do not like it here, there is a cure for that, just leave.
These two "had been flagged for national security reasons." Maybe they were Christians, or maybe they were spies abusing the asylum process. Other Iranian nationals were picked up with ties to terrorism and the Iranian Army.
So...who knows. We do know that 1/other members of the church weren't picked up; 2/Somin would be against deporting them even if they had ties to terrorism, because he is against deportation at all costs; 3/ the asylum process is being abused to shield gang members and terrorists from deportation.
maybe they were spies abusing the asylum process
As I said, all you lot have is lies and bigotry.
These two "had been flagged for national security reasons" according to the Reuters article and apparently were the only two members of the congregation picked up.
I am pro LEGAL immigration. The flip side is we have to have a strong border and stop allowing people to abuse asylum claims. I am fine with more people coming here. Legally. If you come here illegally, or you claim asylum when in fact you are associated with the Iranian regime, you get send home.
Trusting the Trump administration's flagging for national security reasons is on the same level as trusting a Nigerian prince with your bank account numbers.
How do you come to this conclusion?
You haven't noticed every little detention has become a national security issue?
What is the lie? Do you think no infiltrators have used our broken immigration system to access the country? Have you missed all the press releases of Chinese people being caught at the southwestern border? What about Afghans? You really have no basis to say he is lying, and bigotry isn't even a real thing.
'Here is some speculation. Lets make policy based on pretending it's a fact!'
No, that's not evidence-based policy making. If you cared about national security, you would deal with actual national security issues not fiction you vibes your way into thinking is plausible.
Find a pattern of examples, and we can talk. Otherwise you're just outcome oriented.
Why do you people have to go with the most dumbass arguments? If you wanted to claim that most of these people are economic migrants rather than political ones, well, it still wouldn't be supported but at least it would be rational. But "Akshually, they're spies" is just so stupid.
I don't agree with the action at all, but what's the evidence he's targeting Iranian CHRISTIANS, not just Iranians?
It does seem to be a red herring by Ilya here.
I would ask, what's the evidence these people are being "targeted" at all? i.e. singled out more than any other illegal immigrants? This is why I said Ilya is just concern trolling with this post.
"not just Iranians?"
Its just these 2 people who were "targeted".
"masked Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents arrested two of his church members on a Los Angeles sidewalk."
Do you think the ICE guys were just wandering down the street on their way to a Lakers game, and just happened to see these two people and say to themselves, "Hey, these guys are probably deportable; let's arrest them"? I guess I can't rule that out as a possibility, given how ICE operates under Trump. But it seems more likely that they specifically targeted these people.
Somin offers no evidence that Iranian Christians are being more widely and specifically targeted. This is just a single anecdote, which I looked up elsewhere for corroboration (from Reuters). Nowhere does anyone else claim Christians are being targeted. He's just trolling here, because, as some up top explained, he's opposed to all deportations because he favors open borders. He's willing to throw any spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks.
In fact, if Christians were being specifically exempted from ICE raids, many of the usual suspects would cry foul about that, I have no doubt. I've already seen that South African movie. More proof of Trump Muslim bigotry like the immigration executive order.
"specifically targeted these people."
These 2, yes. But why is the question? The pastor does not know. He does not even know the status of their particular asylum claims, does he?
Somin is saying that the arrest of these two Iranian Christians is proof of "targeting" an entire class of people. The evidence does not support that assertion.
What makes it especially egregious on Somin's part is that we know that Somin wouldn't actually give a damn if Iranian Christians WERE targeted, so long as it wasn't in an immigration or zoning law context. His objection here is actually just immigration laws being enforced.
Ilya implies that these individuals were targeted because they were Christians, as opposed to some other reason, and that they just happened to be Christians.
As an aside, most people deported by ICE are likely to be Christians. But it would be inaccurate to say they were targeted "because" they were Christians. See what's going on here? Ilya's attempting to play to religious sympathies, but in an deceptive way.
So you parsed Prof. Somin one way, found that way ridiculous, and used that to declare he's ridiculous.
'Targeted Iranian Christians' could be about Christians as a class. It could also be about two Iranian Christians.
Both are plausible parsing. Context reveals which one it is. You ignored context so you could get mad.
The rest of the context isn't about just these two Iranian Christians, but about Christians as a class.
"If deported back to their country of origin, Iranian Christians face severe persecution at the hands of Iran's radical Islamist theocracy"
"I'm old enough to remember a time when conservative Republicans saw themselves as defending Christians against radical Islamism. "
Note...the class context.
It is arguments about why departing Christians is particularly dunderheaded. It doesn't require the headline be general not specific.
Again, there are 2 parsings and you chose the one that makes you mad.
That's stupid. But that is how Armchair likes to roll.
As I said above, if they face persecution in Iran, (And I agree, that is a realistic prospect.) and yet are deportable, that merely implies they should be deported to someplace else. It doesn't imply that they're entitled to stay HERE.
You remember 1453 AD?
"So you parsed Prof. Somin one way, found that way ridiculous, and used that to declare he's ridiculous."
Don't act so indignant, you did the same thing to me elsewhere in this thread.
Wait, two people are arrested at church and it's now an operation targeting Christians??
People can't really be this bad at understanding the English language, can they? Maybe if I put this into terms a MAGA might sympathize with: let's suppose the FBI arrest some people blocking an abortion clinic by praying in the doorway. And you say, "Now the government is targeting peaceful abortion protesters." Does that mean that you're claiming that the feds are arresting every protester? Or just that the feds are arresting some protester?
More like, the new mayor decides to have a no tolerance policy for illegal double parking, and that Sunday the police show up at the street in front of the local church, where the previous mayor had a policy of turning a blind eye to traffic violations.
Are they targeting church-goers? No, they're targeting traffic law violators. The proof of that being that the parishioners who aren't double parked are left alone.
There's a bit of confusion going on, because the previous administration was deliberately aiding people in illegally immigrating, by having a policy of being automatically utterly credulous about claims of asylum.
If you don't want to be deported, maybe you shouldn't break immigration laws???
Just a thought.
(There may very well be a good case for refugee status for some Iranian Christians, but that's beside the point. Also, it's not a good solution, when some far flung foreign land has problems, to remove en masse all the people who have an inclination to fix that problem and improve their homeland. Where is the good will and charity in that? You are literally harming people, more than you're helping. A little token action to make yourself feel righteous, while not actually caring about the overall effect. Beyond that, unfortunately the refugee program has become a joke due to the amount of abuse by opportunists and open border ideologues.)