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A "Sympathetic Critique" of Law-Skepticism on the New Right
A "classical lawyer's" take on what law skeptics within the New Right get right and get wrong.
Harvard law professor Adrian Vermeule has posted an interesting and worthwhile essay at The New Digest responding to the growth of law-skepticism among some in the New Right (and, in particular though he does not say it, among many MAGA thought-leaders). While I do not share Vermeule's perspective, the essay is a worthwhile read. A few excerpts:
On one level, it is perfectly understandable that many on the New Right have veered towards versions of law-skepticism. It is a natural overcorrection to the world around them, one in which the fanatics and cynics of liberalism appropriate the "rule of law" for transparently ideological, sectarian and indeed partisan ends. In that world, our world, talk of "the rule of law" and "human rights" becomes a vehicle for enforcing grotesqueries of the liberal programme, as in a notorious USAID document during the Biden years that said the rule of law requires adopting gender ideology. In that world, our world, prominent law professors openly thirst to crush dissenters from legal liberalism, comparing them to the defeated Nazis. When told by both the legal left and by legal conservatives that authority in the sense of positive will, not truth, makes the law, and that law only ever enforces the will of some sovereign upon others, it is perfectly understandable for the New Right to think: "Very well then. Let us become the sovereign, and we will enforce our will upon our enemies, doing unto them what they have been doing unto us for years." If, as Carl Schmitt said,2 law under liberalism becomes a poisoned dagger with which factions stab each other in the back, it is not hard to think: better to be the one wielding the dagger.
However understandable, this attitude is indeed an over-correction. Finding themselves in a situation of tragic conflict in which the law has been corrupted by both the legal left and by legal conservatism in fundamentally similar ways, the New Right law-skeptics erroneously infer that there is no such thing as law at all, or at least that all law is just the expression of power. This is a non sequitur, akin to saying that if I discover that the judge before whom I appear has corruptly taken bribes from the opposing party, therefore there is not and never has been such a thing as honest judging. The New Right law-skeptics erroneously over-generalize, deriving speculative theoretical views from the grim realities of the unusual practical situation in which they find themselves. . . .
The basic over-generalization of the New Right law-skeptics — the left has wielded law as a weapon, therefore law is nothing more than a weapon of the powerful — is linked to a claim or set of claims that often arise in and around these issues. These claims urge that the rule of law is really the rule of men; that it is inevitable that some men will rule others, and that law not ultimately grounded in power is vain and ineffective; that any given people, constituted (in a small-c sense) as a political society, makes the law as an expression of themselves; and that order must precede law and provides the stable preconditions for law.
All these claims fall into the category of important but misleading half-truths. Of course human law is in part an expression of a given political community. But any concrete political community, in virtue of being also a human community, both makes its own particular law and also participates in the universal law, accessible to human reason. . . .
Overall, radical law-skepticism, whether on the New Right or the critical left, is wrong in itself, misguided as a practical matter, and impossible to reconcile with the broad sweep of the Western (or for that matter non-Western) legal tradition. It is a modernist innovation, just with a different political valence attached to it by the New Right than the valence it holds in liberal legalism. In contrast to both New Right and liberal views, Montesquieu spoke for the classical tradition, in this as in many other things, when he wrote that "Laws, in the most extended sense, are the necessary relations deriving from the nature of things; and in this sense, all beings have their laws: the divinity has its laws, the material world has its laws, the intelligences superior to man have their laws, the beasts have their laws, man has his laws." . . .
Law is real, and the rule of law is indispensable to a just and civilized political order; so our whole juristic tradition holds, until just yesterday. Now, neither the reality of law nor the necessity for the rule of law entail that the rule of law is the only thing we care about, or that the rule of law has no outer boundaries, or that the rule of law should be equated with the rule of courts, or that or that (negative) liberty is the only thing the law cares about, or that there are no hard cases. All these mistakes derive from tendentious attempts to appropriate law and the rule of law for various ideological, sectarian, or partisan aims; I and many others have criticized all of them. But it is an equal or even greater mistake to jettison law and the rule of law altogether, or to equate them with the will of the stronger. At a minimum, anyone who holds the latter views should have the candor to confess that they are standing radically outside the traditional mainstream of specifically juristic thought. Until late in the tradition, such views were only ever held by a small minority of heterodox theorists, few of them working jurists. Let us at least have no pose of legal classicism among the law-skeptics, left or right. And, perhaps in a fit of wild optimism, I still hope that the New Right law-skeptics will eschew such sterile and ultimately indefensible views in favor of the fertile ground of the tradition and the reason it embodies, properly translated and adapted to new conditions.
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Law skepticism? The lawyer profession is 10 times more toxic than organized crime. Every self stated goal of every law subject is in utter failure. War, crime, contract, Admiralty, name ant of the 200 law subjects. It is in failure. Their sole success is to take our $trillion and to return nothing of value. It is the biggest scam of all. Arrest the hierarchy and start from fresh.
Republicans pounce! Or seize!
It is never the corruption and lawfare of the left that is to be discussed, but instead the Republicans' response to the left's actions.
Exactly correct and astute observation.
Over time, I've noticed there are guys like Adler, and maybe Vermeule is the same, who suspiciously love to take a good hard punch to the right every so often, and that's about it.
If they're so concerned about the rule of law, why don't they comment on any number of things, like the crazy lawfare rulings by Judge Engoron trying to take down Trump, just as a random example.
Vermeule definitely has commented on it.
Adler is a never Trump moderate, so it would not be him.
There are only so many hours in the day, but I've blogged quite a bit about cases in which appeals court or SCOTUS trimmed the sails of overly aggressive district courts and will have a post tomorrow AM on the latest kids climate suit.
Vermeule and Volokh once had excellent intellects. It is tragic. Imagine how better off they and the rest of us would have been if they had gone into a productive occupation, really most anything else. They would have been outstanding. Compare to the utterly worthless and toxic crap they have wasted their lives on. Worse, both have destroyed the lives of thousands of young people with excellent intellects.
the crazy lawfare rulings by Judge Engoron trying to take down Trump,
Because Trump can do no wrong, right?
If any prosecution of Trump would not have happened if Trump were not a candidate or withdrew, that prosecution is misleading the court in a sworn statement. The prosecutors and judges enabling them should be investigated by the FBI Office of Corrupt Officials, and prosecuted by the DOJ for perjury, and for honest services fraud. Send each to 5 years in prison. Put them in gen pop.
I am not sure if the jurors should be prosecuted, too. They are like an all KKK jury judging a black defendant in the 1920's. They too lied to the court about their Manhattan based Trump hatred.
If Trump were not a candidate, he would have been treated much, much, much worse. He was never indicted for seditious conspiracy. He was never punished for his felony convictions in New York. He was never arrested and never had to spend time in jail waiting to be bailed out like ordinary people do. He was treated with kid gloves.
Interesting topic.
Along these lines, I saw the other day Joe Rogan said the following. Noteworthy given that he seems to be quite influential or just reflective of common/trending attitudes.
"Law is a bunch of words written on paper by people who are generally considered to be liars and thieves. So let's try to figure out what's right rather than what's legal."
I think I saw that movie already.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Purge_(2013_film)
Technically that's the opposite. Doing what is legal, as opposed to what is good.
The lawyer profession is running a scam of moral rectitude to enhance the enrichment of people with power, a masking ideology, bullshit. It even has supernatural doctrines.
Primate aggression and power comes from tools and methods. SElf help is the remedy. The rule of law was supposed to replace endless cycles of violent revenge. This violence made personal security a full time job, rather than civilization. To save civilization and to enforce the law, making all of us better off, stop the lawyer profession first. It is protecting the criminal and wrongdoer. They are the clients. The victims may rot. Victims are on their own. Kindergarten students identify the career criminals. How? They are committing rapid fire crimes in class. Incapacitate all of them to end crime, at the earliest age possible. They do not learn from punishment. They cannot be deterred. They can only be incapacitated. The cheapest and most reliable way is to get rid of them. To be more humane, put money into identifying the genetics of antisocial personality, and either abort them or CRISPR-cas9 them at birth. Lawyers do not have antisocial personality disorder. They can learn from punishment. Punish the lawyer a lot more. To deter.
I think Joe has, in this case, summarized what Professor Vermeul attempts to say in his "Law Skepticism" article. After all, isn't "people who are generally liars and theives" just Joe's way of saying that we (citizens) should be skeptical of what leaders say and do? And isn't this a good thing to think? Are we not right to assume that leaders should live up to the laws they write?
Amateurs
Fundamental Theorm of Government Corruption is not an unfortunate side effect of the wielding of power. It is the purpose of it from day one, when some great apes heard a humming space rectangle and realized with a start they could pick up a club and start industrializing the control of others.
They just have to hide it better in the free west, with a free press. Industrialized echo chambers beyond the dreams of still-living columnists.
We hate and mock the tyranny of Commie regimes like the surveillance states in Cuba, Venezuela, China, and Russia, with a snitch on every block. However, the lawyer here is running a tighter ship than their secret police. For example, tell a joke at work, lose the business. The lawyer profession must be addressed the way a Communist takeover of our nation would.
Having to hide it better imposes a cost and reduces it, so is a wonderful innovation.
"New Right law-skeptics"
The "Old" Right had plenty of law-skeptics too. The 1960s Warren Court's amendments of the Constitution can result in no other conclusion. Though the Burger Court invention of abortion rights and Robert's opinion on Obamacare showed that nominal conservatives just made up stuff too.
Vermeule is always interesting but he is a Harvard law professor on administrative law so has too much at risk from the"rule of law" myth.
Vermeule reminds me of Volokh, an expert in the First Amendment. Both have high IQs. Vermeule converted to Catholocism. He must know a lot about it as he does about the law. It is still ironic that neither has noticed the self evident. The common law was plagiarized from the Catechism. The methods of the law are copied from 1275 AM. Nothing from that time is still useful. Self-evident? The court looks like a church. The bench looks like an altar. The judge is wearing clerical garb, for Pete's Sakes. You stand, you sit. You speak in hushed respectful tones. You do not question authority in court. Read the first degree murder statute. Read the catechism on mortal sin. Plagiarized. The mistake ridden adversarial system, a stupid theater production, is the disputation method of Scholasticism. Cool in 1275 AD. Really stupid and wrongheaded today, a disgrace. The legal indoctrination of these two smart people is a tragedy. It made them retards.
To its credit, the Church renounced Scholasticism in the 19th Century. Only the American lawyer still practices it today, in violation of the Establishment Clause. When Occam declared it false in 1300 AD, they had made him run for his life. They came around 500 years later. The American lawyer is still mired in it today. As in 1275 AD, its business model worked. It continues to work today. That enrichment explains the lawyer retard irony, a take of $trillion a year in return for nothing of value.
Ah, the good old days when you could just lynch people! How you long for them!
I spent decades, especially during the Bush II years, arguing against liberals to defend the FBI, NSA, CIA, etc. on basic policing and spying powers. Not to say that these groups have been perfect at all moments, but hatred of these groups seemed to rely on a feeling, from them, that these are just white collar groups trying to keep the people down. "The Man", as they say. And this is exactly what I see coming out of the MAGA movement. They're saying all the same BS, from GW Bush planning the Twin Tower attack as a false flag attack to the FBI being used to target Americans for political aims.
To my eye, I don't see the "right" as having found some new way. Rather, Trump ran as a largely left-wing candidate, with all the same anti-war, anti-Man, pro-blue collar, pro-union positions of the Democratic party, minus only the political correctness and modern variant, wokeness. He's a 1960s Democrat, rather than a 2020s one.
In today's America, political affiliation is strongly regional. It's highly enforced. Most Republicans are Republicans because they live in a region where, if you aren't as well, then you'll be politically and socially ostracized. Emotionally and in spirit, there's probably tons of people in each region who would be more attracted to the political positions of the other side, if only they weren't barred from it by the borders of the party. This is true for the Democrats as well.
Trump brought all the stuff that people secretly liked, but couldn't admit to themselves, about the Democratic party over to the Republican party. And heck, the Democratic party was founded and ran in the Southern and middle states for, effectively, all of American history. Democratic ideas that focus on the yeoman farmer or - today - the factory worker, Christian communalism, isolationism and nativism, etc. have a long cultural history in these regions.
When the Dixiecrats left for Nixon, they joined a party that didn't believe almost anything that they believed in, except for a shared hatred of Communism. But the Republicans didn't like Communism because we believed in the Free Markets and the great good that commerce brought to the American people. My sense is that the Dixiecrats just hated that the Commies were atheists. Otherwise, they were perfectly happy with big government people like FDR, working with trade unions, etc. They weren't pro-Capitalism, just anti-Russki.
Personally, I don't see a "New Right". I see an "Old Left". Trump just brought it back to the South. In the 60s through the 80s, we had Republicans in the North and the South and Democrats in the North and the South. Politicians could be a member of a party that wasn't centered on their social region. So while we could say that the Republicans - in the 1960s - were centered in the North, they weren't isolated to it. People of all political stripes live in all regions. Today, we're seeing a case where those of traditionally Democratic policy preference have, in both regions, risen to take over both political parties. Those of traditionally Republican policy preference have been sidelined in both regions and don't have a party.
There are, of course, plenty of legitimate reasons to dislike and distrust the federal bureaucracy, federal law enforcement, intelligence agencies and so on. Not just vague feelings and unthinking parochial tribalism.
Anyone with basic knowledge of the political thoughts of the founding fathers, for example, knows that the centralization of government power we see today would have been considered an abomination, totally incompatible with founding principles.
There's almost no centralization of power in the United States. Each state has its own law; Posse Comitatus bars the military from doing nearly anything on US soil; fairly well every attempt for the Federal government to dictate things to the state has been blocked by the Supreme Court and they're forced to use a system of bribing the states to join on to Federal measures - which is entirely the choosing of those states.
The Federal Bank descends from Hamilton's First National Bank, that he proposed during the first session of the first Congress.
The idea of a standing army was viewed with skepticism by many but, I think, Posse Comitatus was the compromise that didn't occur to the Framers but that might have sufficed.
Centralized regulatory agencies were, possibly, not expected. But, problems with not having national standards - like a standard national currency - was a concept that the Framers did understand from their experiences as a confederacy and, it's quite likely that this was the basis for the Commerce Clause. So while they may not have particularly expected the FDA, for example, that they did write the Commerce Clause certainly does seem to say that they expected for there to be some limits on states rights in the realm of commerce, so as to grease the rails of the free market. Republicans have held the Supreme Court since 1970 straight through to today; it's not like we've been outmatched by Democrats on Constitutional Interpretation of the Commerce Clause. Our current limits were decided by Rehnquist, Scalia, and Roberts. These are serious, Republican thinkers who know their Constitution and subscribe to the value of States Rights. Most things that have been tried, have been shut down - for example, Obamacare. So you should really consider how much your view that the current lay of the land is the result of left-wing government or is contrary to the Constitution is based in reality, versus just being something that people say, without really thinking about it.
Legalism aside, from a Capitalist viewpoint it's possible that the FDA, SEC, NRC, etc. could use revising, shrinking, etc. But to do that, you would need people to come in and review those agencies that you would trust to do so with an eye towards achieving maximum economic growth of the nation - sometimes, meaning that you balance the environment, worker safety, etc. against global competitiveness and other factors, while counterbalancing that against risks of major disasters. You need economists and actuarialists to review and make serious, considered recommendations. You need an Executive who understands the economics of the situation and the sort of review that needs to be done, and hires the right people to lead it.
Instead, we had some know-nothing partisan judge making decisions during Trump I, and now Pam Bondi getting her palm greased to decide which regulations to enforce and which to give a pass on, during Trump II; and the President trying to expand the government by several trillion dollars, hiring up a large, militarized policing force.
Agreeing with someone about an idea at the high level doesn't mean that said person is the right person with the right idea on how to go about bringing in a solution. They can be an incompetent and a crook, with bad ideas that are worse than leaving it alone. Like, I'm okay with women not being the property of their fathers and husbands, like it was back in the 19th century. Lenin's idea to commit genocide against anyone sexist, however, was probably overkill versus just passing some laws that pushed things forward bit by bit, over the course of decades.
Trump ain't the droid you're looking for.
From Lincoln to Wilson to FDR and WWII so on, the principles of decentralization, self-government, and federalism have been all but abandoned, and the system and culture of government has been transformed to something different than what it was. The commerce clause was just an interstate free trade pact. We only have "faint-hearted" originalists at best. The Republican party has been a big government party and a corporatist party from its inception on through to today. Trump is no different. You said Trump is a 1960s Democrat, maybe, I have often said he's a 1990s Democrat.
Well, he was friends with Bill Clinton, after all.
While giving Congress the power to regulate commerce among the several states was inteded to give it far less power than it has acquired today, it nonetheless encompasses far more than just a free trade pact among the states.
"There's almost no centralization of power in the United States. "
Eh.... Not quite.
You're free to compare to Russia or Singapore.
Anyone with basic knowledge of the political thoughts of the founding fathers, for example, knows that the centralization of government power we see today would have been considered an abomination, totally incompatible with founding principles.
And?
Well, that's obviously a very simplistic view of how it happened, but I do think the basic idea that the republican party got taken over by the dixiecrats they wooed is completely accurate.
the idea that Trump is a leftist is interesting - it is true that he's against free trade and members of his entourage have a feudalistic view of economics rather than a capitalistic one. But they're not socialist at all, so I don't think this works quite the way you think
It's in vogue to compare things to Fascists, so please understand, through the following, that I'm just illustrating a point, not calling Trump and his cabinet "Fascists".
Mussolini started as a Socialist. If you go back to Marx, he was a person who looked at how Capitalism had taken mankind away from their primal, self-empowered freedoms. "We should be free to deal directly with one another, make things with our own hands, be treated as an equal to everyone else, not a peon or a cog in some machine." He wanted a reset to what he viewed as an earlier, more simple time.
Mussolini liked the original idea, that Marx used as a seed for everything else, but didn't like the precise method that the Communists tried. In Mussolini's fantastical, rose-tinted view of the past, he leaned more towards a time when men were men, women were women, and the Italians were a great, unified and bold people. He agreed that Capitalism was bad, and that it didn't treat people fairly. But he hated the pro-equality, DEI approach of the Communists. And when he looked at the labor movements, with unions trying to push factory owners and government leaders to enact laws to protect the laborers, that the wealthy and powerful tended to team up against them. Money would move under the table from corporations to politicians, and the labor leaders would be sent to prison. (E.g. a Deep State.)
Mussolini's Fascist economics - Corporatism - was an attempt to create government by Trades Union. He created national monopolies over industry, religion, tradescrafts, etc. that would monitor and manage everything, to ensure that the people were being treated fairly.
The Fascists viewed themselves, early on, as a new wave of Socialists. Yes, their answer wasn't Communist but it was anti-Capitalism and pro-blue collar.
Now, I certainly don't think that the world should crush the average worker in the cogs of our factories, greased with the blood of our young, like Europe was in the 19th century. Looking out for the general welfare is, per the very first line of the US Constitution, exactly what our government is meant to achieve. I'm not an anarcho-capitalist. But using the government as the bludgeon of the blue collar worker is, in history, a very Socialist thing to do. There are greater and lesser forms of doing just that thing.
Populism is a largely (historically) Democratic agenda. The majority of the populace tends to be poorer and at the bottom of the economic hierarchy. For them, "majority rules" is the closest and easiest path to power, when you live in a country that operates by voting.
The Republican party, as it is right there in the name, holds that you should elect people that you trust, who will do honest and dilligent work to understand the issues, talk to those who would be affected, talk to those who have analyzed the options, and so on, and give them the right to make informed, deliberate decisions that take into account *everyone* in the country, including those who don't exist yet and who will live with the debts that we leave, and with the technologies and wealth that we generate.
There's a lot of flavors of Socialism. Populism is a lighter variant, but it does run the gammit.
" Rather, Trump ran as a largely left-wing candidate, with all the same anti-war, anti-Man, pro-blue collar, pro-union positions of the Democratic party,"
Trump might have run on that, but his actual polices were the exact opposite. Then the idiots voted for him again and again he pulled a fast one on them.
LOL!
"Halp mee, Jawn Carrie! I wuz fooled!".
Those poor saps!
Speaking of fast ones, you guys put a zombie in office.
And then pretended to not know he was a drooling imbecile.
You wuz fooled!
Law-Skepticism?
Lawyer-skepticism?
Judge-skepticism?
So many choices.
Moral things are illegal; immoral things are legal.
The 'legal profession' is self-destructing from lack of internal discipline.
Vaccines, gays, food dyes, blacks, immigrants, liberals, RINOs, women, the FBI, government, society, voting, end of times, science, universities...and now the law? Is there anything the mask-hating patriots aren't afraid of? Scared-ass bitches. I got an idea. How about we just skip the 50's and go right back to the stone age
If the judiciary is going to impose "rule of law" on us, and expect us to submit, then it needs to have clean hands.
It doesn't.
For example we've discussed a few times the 4 requirements for a TRO/Preliminary Injunction, (likelihood on merits, irreparable harm, balance of equities, public interest), we've seen judges decide to impose preliminary injunctions based merely on irreparable harm, then when the Supreme Court reverses, a justice try flip the standard that the movant must meet to the defenndent.
Or for a more prominent and infinitely repeating example, the creation of new legal standards out of whole cloth like "intermediate scrutiny" to frustrate the exercise of RKBA. And you have farces like the 9th circuit immediately going en banc, whenever a 3 judge panel does properly apply the law.
Or even more apparent the judicial resistance to the death penalty wear justices will grasp at sixth dimensional straws to stop its imposition.
And I will admit its not merely one side. And certainly there have been lots of voices on both sides about ignoring rulings when they don't think the other side has clean hands.
We're all unclean, including you. The legal profession pulls from us, so it will be unclean as well.
The purpose of rules is to constrain acts and authority.
It is, therefore, an obvious consequence that those who wish that they have unfettered authority suddenly realize that rules are a hindrance to exercising that authority.
Now, the reason that most people understand - even when they have power - that these rules are a good thing is because they understand not only that unfettered authority is a bad thing, but more importantly, that power is transitory, and that we agree to abide by these rules because we know that eroding or eliminating them only means that when we lose power, there are no meaningful restrictions for people who are not us to then act against us.
This is all so banal, it shouldn't need to be stated. And yet.
Of course, there are two other things at play. The first is the idea that if you exercise unchecked power, you just need to ensure that you will always wield that power. Which ... yeah. Not great, Bob.
The second is what you will always see- "But X did it first!" Which is the opiate of the masses in the comments section.
We have a Supreme Court Justice - the first African American woman - who went before the Senate and the American people and said that she doens't know what a woman is. How can you possibly expect the rule of law to be upheld by such a person?
Exactly...
That DEI was not a biologist, true. Yet, as a lawyer, she should have known that 135 times, the Supreme Court has ruled that the definition of a word is the dictionary definition. A woman is an adult female human.
She didn't play the gotcha game, so you mad, bro? All the justices lied heavily in their hearings. Get over it. You would do well to judge on whether their rulings follow the Constitution and/or whether they are engaging in corruption while in office. That is all
Vermeule gives the New Right too much credit. What the past few months has shown is that most of them are simply too lazy to make actual legal arguments--or, in the case of Pam Bondi, too stupid--and so they prefer the shortcut of denying the validity of law.
I still respect the rule of law but it suffers from the public perception that what you are getting is not a fair shake from a neutral judge but a decision from a judge that has his mind made up because of pre-existing beliefs.
A lot of this is the natural "I lost so it must be rigged" feeling but when you can predict many cases based upon the judge you draw, that problem is on us and not on the public. We need to clean our own house.
I think one of the major issues at hand is this.
Lawyers have skewed the law in such a way to benefit lawyers, at the expense of other people, in a number of ways.
1. The legal profession is unique in that only lawyers can give legal advice. A nurse practitioner can give medical advice. Your cousin Bob can give mechanical advice. There are "right to repair" laws across the country. Buy "only" a lawyer can give legal advice. The law...benefits lawyers
2. Only lawyers can (effectively*) own legal firms. I don't need a medical license to open a medical practice. I can just hire the doctors. I don't need a firearms license to open a security firm. I can simply hire those people who have the license. But I need to be a lawyer to open a legal firm. Again...the laws skewed for lawyers.
3. As lawyers increasingly seem to be of a certain party, others see the laws creatively exploited for the benefits of that party and that party's view's. It is...potentially...a major issue.
Didn't you get the basics of board certification for expert professions and associated ethical requirements explained to you 2 weeks ago?
I guess it didn't take.
No, you seem to be imagining things again.
The lawyers have also dealt themselves legal immunity. Immunity justifies violence in formal logic. Formal logic has more certainty than the laws of physics, 100%. Formal logic is supreme over all constitutions, ratified treaties, and regulations of the United States. These are full of ambiguities, uncertainties, and just awful unintended consequences.
This is "one of the major issues at hand"?
You are essentially the comment section's poster child for why the unqualified should not be selling legal services, however, so perhaps that explains your weird emphasis on this issue. I doubt even most MAGA think this is a "major issue".
So...no rebuttal. Hmm...are you a lawyer?
This article relegates the chief representatives of the higher law to oblivion : Justin Buckley Dyer, Harry Jaffa, Larry Arnn, Thomas G West, Glenn Ellmers, etc.
And the author disagrees with Vermeule and they disagree (h for different reasons) with the New Right, on and on.
We already had the answer to unConstitutional precedent in
Originalism's Promise: A Natural Law Account of the American Constitution
by Lee J. Strang
"the most-detailed originalist theory of precedent in the literature"
Mr Adler should realize that the Founding is among the greatest events of history, not perfect, but 'more perfect". This is to me just more of the Patrick Deneen/Hillary Clinton 'Things aren't perfect, I'm pissed that they aren't perfect, and I am going to blame the Founders for not being perfect"
A remarkable feature of commentators like Supremacy Claus is that, far from being the conservatives they claim to be, they are in fact radical revolutionaries much closer to Communists than to anything conservative or, for that matter, anything American. While they claim to oppose Communists, and indeed calls everyone who disagrees with them or stands in their wway by that name, they in fact seek to emulate them. As an example, and not a small one, the overblown, high-flying, quasi-intellectual-sounding rhetoric they have been using on this blog is a classic Communist revolutionary tactic. Their very language is remarkably similar to that of classic Stalinist propaganda. The fact that they use a different vocabulary is of no moment. The grammar, the style, all are remarkanly similar.
The liberal order of the last 80 years provided more peace and more prosperity to more people in the world than any past regime has. Yes, it came at the expense of high taxes, cumbersome regulations, slow and expensive administrative procedures, and occassional flights of ideological overbearingness. yes, I myself disagree with some of its initiatives and policies, although the order has always had pluralism including a legitimate conservative wing that has until recently been part of the order rather than seeking to overthrow it. But all these negatives, and indeed they are negatives, are near trivialities, minor hassles, compared to the problems of nearly all other regimes. No regime is perfect.
G.K. Chesterton advised that before changing or removing something, you should take care to understand why it was put in place, what problem it sought to solve, and what good it has done, so you can be sure that whatever you propose to put in its place doesn’t make things worse. If there is one thing we can say for sure about people like Supremacy Claus, they are quite the opposite of people like G.K. Chesterton. They seek only to slash and burn first, never to understand. In their rhetoric, the things they oppose are always the embodiment of pure evil. Every minor overreach, every tax or regulation they oppose, is blown up to be the equivalent of concentration camps and gas chambers.
If there is one certainty in history we can be sure of, it is that if people like Supremacy Claus succeed in destroying the existing order and installing themselves in power, things will be far, far worse than they are now. Their venom and vitriol is part of their makeup. Once in power, they will turn it on anyone who stands in their way. And history shows that with these types, that’s usually just about everyone. The same rhetoric Supremacy Claus now uses to claim lawyers and judges are the embodiment of evil will be used against their enemy du jour when they get the ability to line them up and shoot them. And if they run out of enemies to destroy, they will have to create some just to be able to use their hate energy to survive, as Winston Smith was raised and groomed from childhood specifically for eventual torture and slaughter in George Orwell’s 1984.
These people live on hate. They need hate, they need to have people and institutions to put their claws around to destroy, maim and kill, just to get by. Without hate, they wouldn’t even have enough energy to get up in the morning.
The above sub-heading: "A 'classical lawyer's' take on what law skeptics within the New Right get right and get wrong."
[Not “classical” in the sense of the Founder’s deism ? More likely, roman universal paganism as it has “evolved” with Europe’s tribes ?]
John Yoo: "“He’s a really sweet guy, ... He reminds me of an eccentric aristocratic Englishman, a Brideshead Revisited kind of guy collecting butterflies. " FT Magazine, "Adrian Vermeule's legal theories illuminate a growing rift among US conservatives. His ideas about a 'common good constitutionalism' profoundly split the US right. ..." (10-6-22)
https://www.ft.com/content/5c615d7d-3b1a-47a2-86ab-34c7db363fe4
Vermeule is no “contrarian” (very “traditional”), no "libertarian" (whatever that may be), not “independent” (“repackages” old/ancient legal system marketing), no "conservative", , ... perhaps a "positivist", or “fabian”, or “progressive” (has no allegiance to or need for the US Constitution) ... more likely a "closet, court jester" supporting "constitutional monarchs"; “monarchies” serving as cloaks for "consociational states".
Regardless, so: What “… rule of law is indispensable to a just and civilized political order …” ? …
And: Which “God” (of the roman universal church) do we need be followers of to ensure we comply with His(Her; “their”) “just and civilized political order”: only living our lives for the “common good”? …
[“[C]ommon good” of each “loyal subject”, “state dependent”, “those in the 'majority' whose ‘votes’ were counted”, other, … or as divined by the Monarch ? ...
And, here I had accepted we were in the "Era" of "no kings".]